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Apple's iPhone was the best-selling smartphone in the third quarter of 2010, taking 26.2 percent of the market, but the wide variety of handsets running Google's Android represented a commanding 43.6 percent. ...

Another detailed report proving that iPhone is the most popular smartphone by far, yet reported by almost every major news outlet as ... "Android still on top."

- iPhone is and has been since it's debut, the most popular smartphone in decades, possibly ever.
- iOS as a platform, is more popular than Android and outsells it.

Yet somehow "Android wins." ?!?
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I believe that people who buy Android phones instead of iPhones overwhelmingly do so for only two reasons:
1. In the USA, they want to use Verizon instead of AT&T
2. They can't afford an iPhone and, generally speaking, have a very small amount of disposable income.

Number 2 makes no sense to me in that the phones are all identically priced where I live. It's roughly 200 bucks for a smartphone from all the carriers in my area whether you pick Android or iPhone.
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

Android won, iOS lost. I think your work here is done.

EDIT: BTW VLC is available now on iPhone. You were mentioning you couldn't try it out previously since it was only available on iPad in the "fragmented" iOS ecosystem.
The best part? It's just one file, that runs on iPhone, iPod touch and iPad.
The reviews are quite mixed though.

Good news about VLC. But there's more.

Apple adds DRM to the file. However, that violates the open source license in some manner (I'd have to reread to get the details precisely correct).

So it looks like it will get pulled again, if Apple gets flack for violating the licensing terms.

Here's an article: VLC Vs. Apple over iTunes licence infringement claims

http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=07B...11C3229E1C701C


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Originally Posted by Blastdoor View Post

That little windows sticker that comes on PCs isn't there just for decoration.

Obviously.

What standards of Android are looser than the Windows standards?
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What is the ASP of a typical Android handset?
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Android's global market share is still in single digits outside the US. In fact, with the exception of China at 13%, its share is only 1 or 2% in every other country. (China suffers from the same problem as the US market in only having one carrier with the phone. And even then it has been officially sold for only about a year at that.)

Android continues to do well in the US ONLY because of the AT&T exclusive deal, and because the other carriers are giving Android devices away for free! (Just as they are with RIM devices.) The problem in the US is that the commodity company (the carriers), are giving away the added value product (smartphones) for free thus driving the entire market to commodity status, while Apple continues to sweep up the majority of the profit.

Where on earth do you get your information from?

Android stats for Europe for Q2 2010 was 15% marketshare, and growing fast, as in the USA. This despite many major countries having iPhone on all carriers e.g UK and France's non-lock policy.

Just been looking round a phone shop for a basic mobile (non-smartphone) for my youngest son.
Couldn't help noticing pay-as-you-go Android handsets £99. Cheapest iPhone 3GS £419. Of course Android will outsell as the smartphone market expands. downwards. But Apple will be doing very well holding 1/4 of the market. It's Nokia and Blackberry and MS who should be worried.
post #48 of 232
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

Android won, iOS lost. I think your work here is done.

EDIT: BTW VLC is available now on iPhone. You were mentioning you couldn't try it out previously since it was only available on iPad in the "fragmented" iOS ecosystem.
The best part? It's just one file, that runs on iPhone, iPod touch and iPad.
The reviews are quite mixed though.

I removed my post because of duplication about it being pulled from the App Store by the developer.
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post #49 of 232
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What is the ASP of a typical Android handset?

Sorry to reply to my own post, but I just saw that in the first nine months of FY2010 (ending Oct 2, 2010), Motorola had $5.4B in revenue from its 'Mobile Devices' segment, but the segment had an operating loss of $148M.

Granted, it includes their low-end stuff, but I don't see how they continue to be viable as a division unless they turn it around pretty quickly.
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I don't think iOS really "dominated" until post-iPhone 3GS launch when unit numbers went significantly higher.

The 3GS was indeed the inflection point, IIRC.

If you don't like "dominate", then pick another description of unrivaled success.

And is anybody relieved at this news? Apple has always been the underdog that people love to root for. Those people thought different. But with Apple as a mainstream brand, how does that work?

Now iPhone buyers again think different from most smartphone buyers. Some might breathe a sigh of relief that Apple might regain its iconic counter-cultural status, rather than being the choice of the great unwashed ignorant hordes. Them kind got no taste.
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

How much will that account for? Most sales are outside the US, there are a fair number that would have jumped from the other three carriers to AT&T for the iPhone already, and there are some that wont go with the iPhone no matter what carrier they are on because of some irrational reason.

To me, it seems like those that are waiting for the iPhone to be on T-Mobile, Sprint, and Verizon are fairly low for the longterm sales of the device worldwide. Im sure there will be a spike next year when the carrier(s) is announced, but I still expect Android-based handsets to outsell iOS-based handsets. There are just way too many of them on the market taking way too many price points. The only surprising thing to me is why Android isnt much farther ahead at this point.

Actually, when I was in Germany, the Android platform was quite irrelevant in the marketplace. All of the wireless stores were pitching iPhone, Symbian, and Blackberry. There was very little space for Android. Android seems to have taken off in North America, but hasn't quite taken off elsewhere in the world.

I also laugh at the comment "US - the worlds largest smartphone market", it may have the largest percentage of Smartphone's in use , but I would hardly call it the worlds largest potential market...
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And is anybody relieved at this news? Apple has always been the underdog that people love to root for. Those people thought different. But with Apple as a mainstream brand, how does that work?

Now iPhone buyers again think different from most smartphone buyers. Some might breathe a sigh of relief that Apple might regain its iconic counter-cultural status, rather than being the choice of the great unwashed ignorant hordes. Them kind got no taste.

I honestly am relieved. Like I said, maybe we'll be harassed less by the Fandroids and I'll see less of iPhone being everywhere just because it's the cool hip thing to do. Let them eat Android! Er... I mean, cake! Er... Wait.

Edit: It's not whether Apple is a mainstream brand or not. The problem is there is too much demand for their products that cannot be fulfilled and supported in a reasonable fashion, particularly in countries outside the US and key European countries. Here in Malaysia, sure it may be a gawdforsaken blip on the equator (I'm exaggerating here, of course)... but still no iPad! And it's going to be a year since it was announced! Macs are around in good number, but no iPad, and still, very limited availability of iPhone 4 despite the official launch several weeks ago.

Edit2: The other issue is that because Apple is so popular, it tends to attract dealers and middlemen (service providers, resellers, trainers, accessory-makers etc. particularly outside the US) which are in it for the quick buck. They want to just take the profits and run, rather than build a strong ecosystem and provide comprehensive solutions for Apple users, cultivate a developer community, and particularly, invest time and effort in the education market etc.

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I don't know about Windows being "better", but it does have more users.

With Android and iPhone the differences seem much less severe than between Mac and Windows.

I still haven't gotten a smart phone (I know, sometimes I'm a total luddite), and for the first time in a long time I'm not yet certain I'll be getting an Apple product. The iPhone has a lot going for them, but I gotta say some of the Androids look pretty nice too.

Can I use an Android phone with my Mac?

I will say if you have a Mac already, don't bother with Android. Feel free to try it out, but when you do get an iPhone, you will probably regret the time spent with Android. Just my prediction. Admittedly I haven't spent more than five minutes each with several Android phones and tablets over the past year, but, there's nothing compelling in it beyond the first few seconds of Wow! Shiny!
post #53 of 232
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[...] The numbers show a total of 9.1 million smartphones running Android from the Open Handset Alliance being shipped in the third quarter of 2010. That was ahead of the estimated 5.5 million iPhones sold in the three-month frame.
[...] Apple just had its best quarter ever, selling a record 14.1 million iPhones. That helped the company achieve 70 percent growth in profits to $4.31 billion.

iPhone sold 14.1 million worldwide. And Android???

Also, what about iOS versus Android, rather than just phones. And let's see what happens when iPhone is available on all carriers in the US.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Sorry to reply to my own post, but I just saw that in the first nine months of FY2010 (ending Oct 2, 2010), Motorola had $5.4B in revenue from its 'Mobile Devices' segment, but the segment had an operating loss of $148M.

Granted, it includes their low-end stuff, but I don't see how they continue to be viable as a division unless they turn it around pretty quickly.

But Android is winning. That's all that matters. Who cares about whether handset manufacturers are making any money.
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Has anyone questioned this from the article



This shows Apple had 5.5 million iPhone sales


At the end of the article it states:

"Apple just had its best quarter ever, selling a record 14.1 million iPhones..."


Which is it?

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post #56 of 232
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Has anyone questioned this from the article

image: http://photos.appleinsider.com/canalys-101101.jpg

This shows Apple had 5.5 million iPhone sales


At the end of the article it states:

"Apple just had its best quarter ever, selling a record 14.1 million iPhones..."


Which is it?

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You need more coffee. The chart is for US sales.
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Good news about VLC. But there's more.

Apple adds DRM to the file. However, that violates the open source license in some manner (I'd have to reread to get the details precisely correct).

So it looks like it will get pulled again, if Apple gets flack for violating the licensing terms.

Here's an article: VLC Vs. Apple over iTunes licence infringement claims

http://news.idg.no/cw/art.cfm?id=07B...11C3229E1C701C


Never a dull moment around here!

It's no secret iOS apps have DRM and the VLC developers knew that yet they submitted it anyways.
post #58 of 232
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I'd be willing to predict that within 2 years in the market Microsoft will have a bigger market-share than Google in the Smartphone business..

I have my doubts. There's a lot that people may not like, and it is not at all finished yet. It is missing basic stuff like multitasking.
post #59 of 232
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Admittedly I haven't spent more than five minutes each with several Android phones and tablets over the past year, but, there's nothing compelling in it beyond the first few seconds of Wow! Shiny!

So I guess you've never heard of the saying "don't judge a book by its cover"?
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

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Has anyone questioned this from the article



This shows Apple had 5.5 million iPhone sales


At the end of the article it states:

"Apple just had its best quarter ever, selling a record 14.1 million iPhones..."


Which is it?

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You need more coffee. The chart is for US sales.

And... That is the best part of the whole "Apple is d00med!" thing.

Apple sold almost twice as many phones OUTSIDE the US than in the US. Sure, the US is a sizeable and important chunk, but it's significance should be seen in perspective.

Where are the global numbers for Android? That will be very interesting. Because that's what they talk about when both sides throw about the "activation numbers" of 200k or 300k or whatever.

Don't get me wrong, the US is Apple's backyard and stronghold, so it is still crucial. That's why Verizon in 2011 is I think virtually guaranteed. There's no way Apple would go another whole year of AT&T exclusivity, IMO.
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So I guess you've never heard of the saying "don't judge a book by its cover"?

Well, I've flipped through several pages, had a read of a few paragraphs, and I'm not keen to buy the book or read further.

Maybe I'm missing out on the great Android revolution.

Ah well.
post #62 of 232
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

Android is winning because if you walk into a Verizon store your choices are:
Android, Android, Android, Android, Android, RIM.


Dunno about that. Verizon has well less than half the market: most customers do not walk into a Verizon Store, but instead, walk into some other cellstore. Still they buy Android.

And WRT Verizon, they also sell WebOS, Symbian and WinMo, along with lots of stuff that has some sort of Verizon dumbphone software.

So I'm not convinced that Verizon's lineup of phones is any sort of a complete explanation.
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I have my doubts. There's a lot that people may not like, and it is not at all finished yet. It is missing basic stuff like multitasking.

Microsoft's approach with WP7 is a combination of Apple and Google approach. It's available on different handsets from different manufacturers but MS is putting a tighter grip and more say as far as requirements for WP7 to be in manufacturers hardware so it doesn't get out of hand and fragmented. The missing feature will come soon enough..
post #64 of 232
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I believe that people who buy Android phones instead of iPhones overwhelmingly do so for only two reasons:
1. In the USA, they want to use Verizon instead of AT&T
2. They can't afford an iPhone and, generally speaking, have a very small amount of disposable income.

That's not true, at least in my case (I'm in Europe). I can afford any phone I like, it's just that I prefer Android platform over Iphone.
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Well, I've flipped through several pages, had a read of a few paragraphs, and I'm not keen to buy the book or read further.

Maybe I'm missing out on the great Android revolution.

Ah well.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to force you or anyone else into Android. I just think that everything deserves time to realize the full potential. There's a lot of cool things you can do to an Android phone through native apps alone. Even more if you decide to root it.
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So I guess you've never heard of the saying "don't judge a book by its cover"?

Android's only hope of dominance is people "judging it by it's cover." It's only when you actually have one in your hand that you can see how clunky and poorly designed it is compared to an iPhone or iOS software. It's only when you look closely that you see the lack of smoothness and sense in the UI, it's only when you start to use it in depth that the wonky settings and general "Linuxy" aspects of it start to bite you in the bum.
post #68 of 232
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Another detailed report proving that iPhone is the most popular smartphone by far, yet reported by almost every major news outlet as ... "Android still on top."

- iPhone is and has been since it's debut, the most popular smartphone in decades, possibly ever.
- iOS as a platform, is more popular than Android and outsells it.

Yet somehow "Android wins." ?!?


You can look at it in any number of ways, as you mention.

The "somehow" way of looking at it that left you wondering is this: Currently, more people are choosing Android Smartphones than are choosing iOS Smartphones.

The other topics you mention are worth discussing, in their context, as well.
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You can look at it in any number of ways, as you mention.

The "somehow" way of looking at it that left you wondering is this: Currently, more people are choosing Android Smartphones than are choosing iOS Smartphones.

The other topics you mention are worth discussing, in their context, as well.

There's another way we can look at it.

Yes, one could say more people are choosing Android Smartphones than iOS Smartphones.

But of the phones *available to choose from*, how many are available?

If there are 100 cans of Coke and 1000 cans of Pepsi, and people buy 60% of the Pepsi cans and 90% of the Coke cans, you could say "more people are choosing Pepsi".

Sheer numbers on the Android side, and inability to keep up with huge demand on the iPhone side has led to the Android lead. Sure, among other factors.
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to force you or anyone else into Android. I just think that everything deserves time to realize the full potential. There's a lot of cool things you can do to an Android phone through native apps alone. Even more if you decide to root it.

No problem. Native apps on Android would be more relevant to me, I don't have time to do things like root it and so on. On iPhone and iPad I just jailbreak to get display out capability (full mirroring video out from the iPhone 4 and iPad using the Apple iPad Dock to VGA cable using the DisplayOut software through Cydia)
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Android seems to have taken off in North America, but hasn't quite taken off elsewhere in the world.

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Here's some reality:

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1421013

Look at Table 2. Android outsells iOS on smartphones worldwide.
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Old numbers.
post #74 of 232
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

Where are the global numbers for Android? That will be very interesting.

Here's one source of global numbers for Android:

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1421013
post #75 of 232
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It's radically different from the desktop wars. Apple never had the kind of marketshare with the Mac that it has with the iPhone, and Apple never had the kind of financial strength that it has now. Plus, Android is a hollow imitator of the Windows business model. Google is depending on (and ceding power to) their OEM partners much more heavily than MS ever did, which is going to lead to fragmentation and degradation of the Android brand.

DOnt kid yourself. Only those close to the tech see fragmentation. COnsumers looking for a deal will buy android and the sales prove it. The past is the past-whether Verizon or Apple is to blame is irrelevant. Apple needs to diversify to the other carriers or android will consume 75 percent of the market within two years. But with only one carrier that is already maxed out, Apple is doomed if they dont swallow their pride and release for all the major players. Android will still win but not by as much.
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Even if it does turn out to be exactly the same scenario as Windows vs. Mac, I know I'll probably continue using an iPhone just as I prefer OS X. It wouldn't hurt, however, to become proficient on Android as well just in case you need to use one once in a awhile. I browsed around on a friend's Android and it does seem foreign.

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post #77 of 232
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... The "somehow" way of looking at it that left you wondering is this: Currently, more people are choosing Android Smartphones than are choosing iOS Smartphones. ...

This would be putting a rather inaccurate "spin" on the data to look at it that way however.

The only rational "non-spin" way of looking at it is that Android phone *sales figures* in the US are highest right now. That doesn't equate necessarily to more consumers choosing Android phones.

Most comparisons you see here or on any tech site compare Apples and Oranges. They compare iPhone sales to sales of handsets running Android. This compares one phone with many multiple phones (unfair), and a phone available on one carrier, to a host of phones available on the same carrier as well as several other carriers (also unfair).

The only fair comparison is either one phone against another phone, or one "platform" or OS against another. On both metrics, the iPhone and iOS wins handily.

1) iPhone has always been the most popular smartphone, it "leads the pack" of smartphones, and is almost single-handedly responsible for the great surge in interest we have been seeing for smartphones and mobile OS's in general over the last few years.

2) iOS is the most popular of the smartphone/mobile OS's and both leads the pack again in terms of features and broad acceptance, as well as leading in sales in every country that it competes relative to Android devices.

Any rational analysis of the numbers puts Apple on top of the game, regardless of short term sales figures of Android devices in the USA. Android has not "won," and is not actually "winning" right now. The facts argue against that conclusion in almost every meaningful aspect.
post #78 of 232
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

Microsoft's approach with WP7 is a combination of Apple and Google approach. It's available on different handsets from different manufacturers but MS is putting a tighter grip and more say as far as requirements for WP7 to be in manufacturers hardware so it doesn't get out of hand and fragmented. The missing feature will come soon enough..

That's another aspect that many people may dislike: M$ copied Apple's restrictions on software. Unless you buy the software from Microsoft, it cannot be installed. Just like Apple.

I don't like the thought of Apple and M$ being the only places where software is available. I think that others may also object.

Yes, the missing basics in WP7 may be added soon, but as of now, it is not really ready, IMO.
post #79 of 232
If you take Q4 shipments, then Apple is crushing Google. Why the hell did AppleInsider even post this irrelevant chart?
post #80 of 232
Meh.. people analyze percentage like there is a meaning. If iPhones are left gathering dust in the Apple store then this statistic might have a meaning. Apple sold only what they can produce. Tell me how much more Apple can sell if they actually have no phones left to sell.
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