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Note that you still have to (somehow) load the movie onto your computer in order to stream it using these applications.


Or you use something like Netflix or buy it that way from the start.

Heck these days, several companies are bundling digital copies with their DVDs/blu-rays. So I have the disc for at home and the digital for on the road. Win-win. Although if companies would put the same features on the digital copies I'd rather just buy that cause space in my place is limited. One day I'm sure it will happen.

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post #42 of 83
But... but... it's just a large iPod Touch!?
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But, would you give up your MBPro for a MBAir?

Quite likely, I think, and you fit into the relatively small category of people who actually need a mobile desktop experience. Most people don't.



I think this is the computing model of the future (and it will be the same with or without cloud): fixed workstations plus satellite devices. Satellite devices may be, depending on need, tablets or ultralight laptops, but tablets will be more prevalent. (Smartphones also serve as satellite devices, but are, and will remain, constrained in functionality and usability vs. tablets and UL laptops.)

Although, the article yesterday re NFC+fixed workstations points to another possible scenario where your "satellite device" is merely a repository, and the computing power is provided by a fixed workstation. This is further in the future, though, and depends on the ubiquity of fixed workstations supporting this functionality.

EDIT: Note that this NFC+fixed workstation mode of computing is still part of the Star Trek model that everyone, knowingly or not, is aiming for. Sometimes they carried around little data modules that they could just plug into any available computer to access and work with, and they always had exactly the tools they needed available.

With a little imagination and some not-too-difficult software, the iPad could become the ultimate "Thin Client". At the office (or home) when needed, attach a keyboard and WiFi Connect to a Server that does the heavy lifting.

When you leave, you take the iPad with you -- or there are other iPads available wherever you go (e.g. Doctors at the nurses station, just grab an iPad and make their rounds, return the iPad when done).

When "heavy lifting" or direct connectivity is not required, the iPad is a self-contained computer.

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Yeah but its dying from something like low grade prostate cancer which will take 30 years to kill it.

That’s why I like to use the word “obsolescing”. It’s moving toward becoming obsolete, but it’s not obsolete.

I think 30 years might be optimistic. Sony just stopped making 3.5” floppy discs this year and I can’t even remember that last computer I used that had one installed. With Flash, there are just too many features that have been bolted on and are well ingrained to be replaced overnight by open standards. The first has always been video, which has been the most prolific use of Flash on the web, but there are still many little uses of Flash that will be around for a very long time and on older browsers that can’t support newer standards.


PS: Even the HTML5/CSS3/JS laden MobileMe site uses Adobe Flash. If you go to iDisk and then choose to upload a file the green arrow will have a Flash overlay. I know it’s there because of ClickToFlash. My guess is that it’s to interact with the local system files, something that open standards can’t do as well or at all.
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post #45 of 83
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Or you use something like Netflix or buy it that way from the start.

Both of which we also do. But as for that HUGE collection of DVDs that we built up over the years, especially animated ones that the kiddies never get tired of? This "bridge" to the digital future is allowing us to replace all of our DVD players (portable and otherwise) with either iPads or AppleTVs. Once we get to the condition of having a digital player for every TV, or every mobile purpose, we'll no longer buy physical media. That time is fast approaching at our house!

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But... but... it's just a large iPod Touch!?™

Actually, it is a small big-assed-table!

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Certainly there are many factors involved in the decline of netbooks. But in case you haven't noticed, while the Great Republican Recession is over TECHNICALLY (i.e. economy is no longer shrinking) the reality is a lot more grim in terms of any real recovery. So people are not turning away from them because they are so much richer now.

A drop from 24% to 14% (10 points) is a 42% drop, that is huge. People must be looking at alternatives for whatever reasons. Upscaling or moving over to iPad.

It would have been interesting to see actual sales figures so we can see what numbers we are talking about. How many units of netbooks and how many units of iPads. Then we could see the comparison. One thing is sure, someone is not too likely to buy both a netbook and an iPad.

I can't really disagree. But again, this almost defines the outcome simply by deciding what to look at.

It seems more likely that the recession is causing the netbook sales slump. Note that iPads are mostly being bought by the economic bracket least affected by the recession. Netbook sales, overall, were to a completely different demographic. This is straying dangerously close to a can of worms involving the exact nature of the recession. But I do think it is key to figuring out why netbook sales have slowed.

... when people compare iPad sales and netbook sales, they'll certainly fixate just on those two numbers. Reality is more complex and less entertaining than simply "bam - iPad turns world on end".
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You do realize that you can stream audio and video over WiFi and 3G from your home (or any computer) to your iPad.

See the StreamToMe app & its personal computer companion ServeToMe.

We, routinely, stream home movies of soccer highlights to show others during practices -- in the middle of a park. There are 4 separate Macs running ServeToMe so we have a selection of 10,000 songs and 800 videos.

In addition, these Macs each run a VideoCam server (iCam/iCamServe) when we're out and about -- so we can monitor what's going on at home. Those damn cats keep triggering alerts (push notifications) as they move about!

The only time you really need to store AV content on your iPad is for long car trips, etc. where WiFi is not readily available and 3G data use would be too expensive.

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I've haven't heard of StreamToMe. How does it compare to AirVideo or Orb? Personally, I prefer AirVideo for video streaming over Orb for its video quality. It's quite good on iphones. I'll look into StreamToMe and compare it with AirVideo.
post #49 of 83
I was all set to buy a new MacBook air, but the wife pointed out that my 15" macbook pro would make that a little redundant. So, she talked me into getting an IPad. I got the 64gb 3G version. So far I like it. I do have to admit that it would be a better device if it supported Adobe flash. Many of the web sites that I visit like Edmunds Inside line are not very good without it.... Maybe in a few years more of the web sites will have an alternative to flash. The netflix app is excellent as is the zino magazine reader.

It could never replace a laptop, but it good for quick trips and vacations.... I have to admit that I love watching movies on it....
post #50 of 83
..." even as competitors like Samsung and Research in Motion tout their own tablets." Mattel should bring one out to join this bunch.
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post #51 of 83
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f you really examine the multitude of apps available for iPad I think you will find it actually lacks very little now in the way of network troubleshooting. Scany is great network scanning tool, WifiTrak is good tool for scanning available wifi networks. There are RDP, VNC, & SSH apps galore. There are office apps like quickoffice or the iWork apps. You can organize PDFs in iBook app, do markups & bookmark your reading. There are actually even a few things an iPad can do that I wish my Mac could. The more time I spend actually working with iPads at my work the more I'm finding I'm not so in love with a full sized, full featured laptop. Crazy part is I have a 13" MB & it is starting to feel too big & clunky!

I'm not convinced yet. I just don't feel very productive having to use a dozen different apps to work around the lack of functionality of iPad, and those apps are clumsy at best, IMO, especially without multitasking yet. Sure, I am going to download 4.2 tonight but nevertheless having to rely on cloud storage or VNC/SSH to be able to create and save a file is just not convenient. I have not found a decent FTP program yet for iPad and with no capable replacement for CS Suite, I am still a long, long way from sacrificing the ease of use and functionality of the MBP for the loss of a couple pounds. I'll always choose function over form.

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I fully expect the Flash devs to picket WHATWG and W3C with misspelled signs saying THAY TOOK ER JOBS!"

I personally don't know any professional Flash developers who are one trick ponies. Most are competent rails, php, css, javascript experts, as well as graphic designers.

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I'm not convinced yet. I just don't feel very productive having to use a dozen different apps to work around the lack of functionality of iPad, and those apps are clumsy at best, IMO, especially without multitasking yet. Sure, I am going to download 4.2 tonight but nevertheless having to rely on cloud storage or VNC/SSH to be able to create and save a file. I have not found a decent FTP program yet for iPad and with no capable replacement for CS Suite, I am still a long, long way from sacrificing the ease of use and functionality of the MBP for the loss of a couple pounds. I'll always choose function over form.

If you are a Power user of CS, then an iPad or iPad/Cloud solution, likely, won't meet your needs.

There are some decent apps that do many of the basic things you can do with CS -- but their not integrated.

There are some preliminary indications of a more robust (visible) file system for iDevices -- especially the iPad.

Now, that iOS 4.2 consolidates iOS across all current devices, I suspect we will see fairly rapid incremental improvements to the iOS -- shared files / file transfer should b near the top of the list.

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I personally don't know any professional Flash developers who are one trick ponies. Most are competent rails, php, css, javascript experts, as well as graphic designers.

That was meant to be a joke, not to be taken seriously. Honestly, where exactly would they be picketing and why would Flash devs sound like rednecks from South Park?
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That was meant to be a joke, not to be taken seriously. Honestly, where exactly would they be picketing and why would Flash devs sound like rednecks from South Park?

Sure I realize that, but it wasn't a very funny joke because that is the mentality of the Flash haters - is that the Flash devs fear losing their livelihood and therefore want to hang on as long as possible when in fact, for the most part, they recognize the incredible power of Flash and the relatively limited alternatives available with HTML 5. I would say that all serious Flash developers (not Adobe employees) are perfectly content to let video playback be entirely HTML 5 as soon as most popular browsers support it. Flash video was just a temporary convenience while the video wars were being waged. Now it is becoming irrelevant. But Flash has so many other very powerful features that are unmatched in any other format. Sure, not usable on mobile but that is a deficiency with mobile not the other way around.

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post #59 of 83
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Yeah but its dying from something like low grade prostate cancer which will take 30 years to kill it.

Exactly. I really considered getting my girlfriend an iPad, because all she ever really does could be done on one, but she plays a lot of those Facebook games (despite my trying to reason with her why not to) and they're in Flash. So, it's a no-go, for now, until those things become HTML-5 based.
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But I think MacRulez still raises a good point. Want to buy is sometimes influenced by what is familiar and available. Given that the Playbook, Tab, etc are not yet in stores for the general public to see and know it exists, it's not really a shock that they want to buy an iPad.

Once they see the other two 'in the flesh' it is possible that the numbers will come up. Perhaps not hugely but I could see Apple's lead dropping down to more like 60% once all these other 'amazing' tablets are out. But 60% while some 6-7 other items share the other 40% still isn't shabby. Not to mention that while a result of being the only product on the market, this overwhelming lead is a dangerous territory anti-trust wise. It would actually benefit Apple legally to lose a little market share. They are still making bank hand over fist.

Let's also keep in mind that this is 3100 folks, gathered from who knows. And looking at other sources they are more than willing to admit that their results don't reflect the whole. So it's likely not a well formed population sample and was done by one of those magazine subscriber, web site members or joe on the street coming out of best buy methods

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I dunno. The only really viable candidates on that list are the Tab and the Playbook. The Streak is around, somewhere, doesn't seem like it's going to bust out any time soon; Archos just keeps plodding along cranking out assorted tablet like things and I can't see where they're going to abruptly get popular; the HP is just another Windows tablet; the Sony isn't even in the same category.

Ever since the iPad was released we've been playing this little game where we're obliged to talk about the "tablet market" and "exploding tablet sales" and "consumer excitement" etc. while strenuously ignoring the face that we're actually talking about ...... the iPad. Literally a market of one. A category of one. If you're really determined, you can pretend like previous Windows or Linux tablets were much like the iPad and just didn't happen to sell well for inexplicable reasons so the iPad is just a more successful version of a well established niche, but that's of course not true.

The survey in question actually had to pad their list by including non-starters, obvious failures, and unreleased products, because if they had been honest it would have been the iPad vs. the Tab with maybe a question asking if anyone had heard of the Playbook.

So getting close to a year in for the iPad and the "exploding tablet market" is the iPad and a similarly priced much smaller tablet with an OS that Google says isn't ready for the form factor.

Not to say 2011 won't see lots and lots of product come onto the market, and if they sell well maybe then we can talk about explosions, but to date it's all been a polite fiction.
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I've haven't heard of StreamToMe. How does it compare to AirVideo or Orb? Personally, I prefer AirVideo for video streaming over Orb for its video quality. It's quite good on iphones. I'll look into StreamToMe and compare it with AirVideo.

I have been playing with AirVideo on the iPad.

Seems OK. More granular adjustments/options than StreamToMe.

Except I can't figure out how to play full screen on the iPad with AirVideo?

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Sure I realize that, but it wasn't a very funny joke because that is the mentality of the Flash haters - is that the Flash devs fear losing their livelihood and therefore want to hang on as long as possible when in fact, for the most part, they recognize the incredible power of Flash and the relatively limited alternatives available with HTML 5. I would say that all serious Flash developers (not Adobe employees) are perfectly content to let video playback be entirely HTML 5 as soon as most popular browsers support it. Flash video was just a temporary convenience while the video wars were being waged. Now it is becoming irrelevant. But Flash has so many other very powerful features that are unmatched in any other format. Sure, not usable on mobile but that is a deficiency with mobile not the other way around.

In my defense, my joke only came after I agreed that Flash would be around for a long time to come.


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Exactly. I really considered getting my girlfriend an iPad, because all she ever really does could be done on one, but she plays a lot of those Facebook games (despite my trying to reason with her why not to) and they're in Flash. So, it's a no-go, for now, until those things become HTML-5 based.

1) Then an iPad would have gotten her off those Flash games?

2) I thought some of those Facebook games were playable on iDevices. I seem to recall Farmville being demoed at an Apple Event in the past.


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Not to say 2011 won't see lots and lots of product come onto the market, and if they sell well maybe then we can talk about explosions, but to date it's all bee a polite fiction.

What happened to all those breakthrough, trendsetting tablets that were demoed at CES 2010? Oh yeah, the iPad happened 2 weeks later.
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Ever since the iPad was released we've been playing this little game where we're obliged to talk about the "tablet market" and "exploding tablet sales" and "consumer excitement" etc.

We'll see. iPad just might be this year's Cabbage Patch Doll or a Pet Rock.

BTW still love your sig. I remember when that post showed up. Too bad they deleted it. That was priceless.

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"demand sinks as 80%"
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We'll see. iPad just might be this year's Cabbage Patch Doll or a Pet Rock.

BTW still love your sig. I remember when that post showed up. Too bad they deleted it. That was priceless.

Well, it could be, of course, but "fads" of the pet rock sort don't have anything to sustain them beyond "everybody's doing it", whereas the iPad seems to have actually delivered functionality that people really like.

At any rate, it seems unlikely that tablets are going to just go away, although it of course remains to be seen if the iPad continues to dominate the market or if some new contender manages to hit a price/performance/user experience home run (although I would argue Apple has already done that).
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The results of the October survey of 3,108 customers were released Tuesday by ChangeWave. Respondents were asked about devices they plan to buy in the next 90 days, and the results show that just 14 percent of laptop buyers are eyeing a netbook, a full 10 points below the peak of netbooks in June 2009.

The only problem with this survey is that I doubt most consumers know what the hell a "netbook" even is, so to ask them if they plan to buy one is pointless. They might not know what a netbook is, but they could very well walk out of Best Buy with one of those tiny laptops that only cost $300.
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Apple is the only one on the anti Flash bandwagon.

So while Flash is a cpu hog even with 10.1 but not nearly as bad as older version and still is a drain on battery life I am not sure the general public even understands that fact.

MS has Silverlight as a Flash competitor and has been backing open standards more and more as the future of the web. The only difference is Jobs statements about Flash, which were proven to be true when we look at the state of Flash for Mac OS X on resources and the time it took Adobe to get Flash running on the open Android and the HW requirements for it to run. If not for Silverlight pushing Adobe to add some very needed features to Flash and Jobs calling out Flash I think Adobe would still be pushing a very inferior Flash Lite to mobiles.
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Well I don't really think its going to be 30 years but I think its going to be longer then 5 years and maybe before the 10 year mark. On the Windows side and even for the Android fans there is no outcry to kill Flash or for that matter most Windows users could care less....

99% of the population could care less. The people that do care, most of all, are content providers, not individual consumers.

But, the decline of Flash will not be linear, it will be more hyperbolic -- think, threshold effect -- so a simple linear extrapolation based on its current usage decline doesn't give you an accurate life expectancy. I give it 2-5 years until it's essentially a little used niche technology.
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...but I think its going to be longer then 5 years and maybe before the 10 year mark.

There are a lot of small/medium size business owners out there who are 5-10 years behind the times and will probably be asking us to put the 'new' Flash stuff on their home page for years to come. Although, cringe worthy, you can only suggest that it is not considered best practices, but if they insist, you just do it regardless of how stupid. Of course that is one more job you can't put in your portfolio.

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3% don't know/NA if they like the iPad? what?
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I have been playing with AirVideo on the iPad.

Seems OK. More granular adjustments/options than StreamToMe.

Except I can't figure out how to play full screen on the iPad with AirVideo?

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Hi Dick,

I have AirVideo, and just bought ServeToMe for the audio capability.

For full screen, when you touch the video to get the controls, do you not have the maximize arrows on the right of the video controller? I have that and I'm able to view the videos full screen.
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You do realize that you can stream audio and video over WiFi and 3G from your home (or any computer) to your iPad.

See the StreamToMe app & its personal computer companion ServeToMe.

We, routinely, stream home movies of soccer highlights to show others during practices -- in the middle of a park. There are 4 separate Macs running ServeToMe so we have a selection of 10,000 songs and 800 videos.

Hey, Dick, thank you for that! I've been wrestling with Elgato's EyeTV app for iPhone and iPad. I have Elgato tuners on two desktops and a laptop, all of which work fine for live TV on iPhones and iPads over our home network, but the EyeTV app fails when I try to watch recorded shows. StreamToMe works flawlessly over the network on anything in my EyeTV archive as well as most everything in iTunes - music, podcasts and more. So far I've put ServeToMe on one desktop and a MacBook.

Sure beats having to go through the two-step process of exporting every eyeTV recording and then syncing every show to an iPad through iTunes.

Next I'll have to try it using 3G. We'll see, but so far StreamToMe already is a great app for just $2.99.

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Hey, I like my Samsung netbook. It works great as a stand-alone music server for my home stereo, running a Logitech Squeezebox. Nice little jukebox. If the iPad came with 128Gb+ of memory, I'd consider it, but I can't fit my 90Gb of .flac/.m4a files on any current iPads. Oh, and the Sammy cost only $280.

Main problem with netbooks is, they didn't change much in the previous 2 years (or so).

Average netbook still has Atom (a bit faster or slower, but not a major difference), 1GB of RAM, Windows XP, 10" 1024x600 screen... so why would people replace their existing one with a same new one..? Because plastic looks a bit flashier? I don't think so.

Netbook segment needs some big changes, otherwise over-saturation and technology stagnation will kill that segment.
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Flash is a dying technology.

Flash is a crashing technology, too. I've had so many failures of Flash in Safari it isn't funny. Upon upgrading the NewNewsWire app on my iMac today, they stated the following. "Flash is the biggest single cause of crashes in NetNewsWire." I agree.
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Appleinsider the "Glenn Beck" of biased Apple BS.

Netbooks down maybe, but not for sure...

http://www.channelweb.co.uk/crn/comm...lourish-summer

Netbooks will sell 38-40 million units in 2010. How many iPads will be sold?

How many Netbooks have been sold so far.....more than all iPods????
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Appleinsider the "Glenn Beck" of biased Apple BS.

That seems.... a bit over the top.

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Netbooks down maybe, but not for sure...

http://www.channelweb.co.uk/crn/comm...lourish-summer

Huh. That's an article describing slackening demand for netbooks in England, despite a bit of a back-to-school boost for the segment. Not seeing how that contradicts the article.

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Netbooks will sell 38-40 million units in 2010. How many iPads will be sold?

Probably about 15 million. So in its first year the iPad, a single device from a single company, is on track to capture over one third of the total sales of multiple machines from multiple companies, in a product category that until just recently was considered on fire, and which almost no one gave Apple any chance of challenging with their "big iPod Touch."

So, again, not seeing how that contradicts the article, especially since iPad sales could quite likely surpass netbooks sales (again, single product single company etc.) in '11.

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How many Netbooks have been sold so far.....more than all iPods????

Close to 300 million iPods have been sold to date, so, no.
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That seems.... a bit over the top.



Huh. That's an article describing slackening demand for netbooks in England, despite a bit of a back-to-school boost for the segment. Not seeing how that contradicts the article.



Probably about 15 million. So in its first year the iPad, a single device from a single company, is on track to capture over one third of the total sales of multiple machines from multiple companies, in a product category that until just recently was considered on fire, and which almost no one gave Apple any chance of challenging with their "big iPod Touch."

So, again, not seeing how that contradicts the article, especially since iPad sales could quite likely surpass netbooks sales (again, single product single company etc.) in '11.



Close to 300 million iPods have been sold to date, so, no.

It contriditcts the article because no where in the article does it prove that netbook sales are being impacted by iPad sales. Netbook sales are up over 2009, only they growth is down (103% from 2008 - 2009 vs 19% 2009 vs 2010). There is no proof that growth is down because of iPad sales. Netbooks are predicted to ship 45 million units in 2011.

Netbooks are part of computer sales NOT consumption device or I umm mean over priced tabl...or uh iPad sales.
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Netbooks are part of computer sales NOT consumption device or I umm mean over priced tabl...or uh iPad sales.

It's kind of hard to refer to the iPad as an "overpriced tablet" considering that all of the tablet competition emerging now (at least half a year later!) is struggling to even match the iPad on price without either (1) using a much smaller screen, (2) subsidizing via a 2 year service contract, or (3) both.

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It's kind of hard to refer to the iPad as an "overpriced tablet" considering that all of the tablet competition emerging now (at least half a year later!) is struggling to even match the iPad on price without either (1) using a much smaller screen, (2) subsidizing via a 2 year service contract, or (3) both.

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Its funny. Even now you hear about Apple products being so overpriced yet the competition cant even compete with cheaper materials at the same price price point. Where are the iPad competitors from CES? Where are the ultra-portable MBA competitors?
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So Archos has announced their latest, Froyo running media things.

They've got one with a 4.3", 480x854 screen with 16GB memory for $250. Closest Apple product is the smaller screened but much higher resolution Touch with 32GB memory for $299.

Larger, lower resolution screen means significantly coarser looking display, so let's call that a wash. Apple offers double the memory for another $50, also pretty close to parity.

So Archos is selling a roughly equivalent Touch competitor for roughly the same money. Some people will prefer more screen resolution to more real estate and vice versa, but really pretty close equivalency as far as I can tell. Doesn't appear to have a front facing camera, so no video chat.

So why isn't it lots cheaper? Given Apple's margins, shouldn't Archos be able to severely undercut Apple's pricing? Is it that Archos hasn't yet decided to get "competitive", even though they've been building variants on this kind of thing forever? If Archos could build and sell a 4.3" PMP for, say, $150, don't you think they'd do it? They'd sell a lot of them-- you have to assume that they'd also lose money, or make so little money as to make it a pointless exercise.

People really need to get over the "Apple tax" idea when it comes to these new mobile devices. They're extremely price competitive, if not the price leaders. And it's not because other manufacturers made a "mistake" or just forgot to make them cheaper. It's because Apple has figured out how to keep their costs down, while still delivering best-in-class user experience.
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