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post #41 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by The Blue Meanie:
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Fair point. I guess Northern Ireland is a province, strictly speaking</strong><hr></blockquote>

No it is a country but it's just not part of GB, because it's not on the main island.

J :cool:
post #42 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by gobble gobble:
<strong>I still don't understand the four soccer teams explanation. The United Kingdom is a single country. It only has one seat in the U.N. It should only have one soccer team.

Are their any other examples of a single country having multiple soccer teams like this in World Cup competition?

Texas was, at one point, independent of the United States. Does this mean that Texas is qualified to have it's own soccer team in the World Cup competition? Or the original 13 colonies for that matter?

Not trying to be nit picky here, just curious if there's a logical basis, or a special exception being made for the UK.

[ 06-21-2002: Message edited by: gobble gobble ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, if you want a concurrent example, Puerto Rico, despite being a U.S. territory, has its own international soccer/football team. And I think that the separate football teams in the UK has a lot to do with historical desires of the Welsh, Scots, Irish to disassociate from the English (who, as someone pointed out, conquered all of them over the course of the last millenium). Even today, there is a measure of autonomy within the regions of the UK (though, living in the US, this whole concept only comes from a textbook and my professor's lectures), in that Scotland and Wales both have semi-autonomous parliaments. Again, I'm sure Jamie knows better what role the Scottish parliament actually serves, but there is precedent for autonomy within a nation and thus multiple football teams (although I would imagine that the English wouldn't mind assimilating the Welsh football team so they could play Ryan Giggs in the midfield with Scholes and Beckham)
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post #43 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by Jamie:
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No it is a country but it's just not part of GB, because it's not on the main island.

J :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Without wishing to be unduly pedantic about this trivil point - how can Northern Ireland be a country? It's part of the United Kingdom
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post #44 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by The Blue Meanie:
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Without wishing to be unduly pedantic about this trivil point - how can Northern Ireland be a country? It's part of the United Kingdom</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales ARE COUNTRIES!!!!

The UK is a collection of these countries.

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post #45 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by Jamie:
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Because England, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales ARE COUNTRIES!!!!

The UK is a collection of these countries.

J :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>

To back you up here, it's the distinction between and nation and a state. A nation is a cultural grouping of people, whereas a state is a political entity. Thus, the UK is a state, and Northern Ireland, England, Wales, and Scotland are all nations.
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post #46 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by cdhostage:
<strong>When in doubt, drop a nuke on the Irish and yuou'lll solve most of the world's problems in two seconds as the shock wave expands.

I love being Scottish.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
1: Blue Meanie Northern Ireland DO have a football team, but they didn't qualify. (half Scottish, half ?).
2: Jamie Yoy forgot the H
3: CDhostage With a remark like that you qualify for ******* of the year!

The Scots and the Irish are Celts and don't forget your history man, what about Wallace?
We have more in common than you think.

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post #47 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by MiMac:
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2: Jamie Yoy forgot the H
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Always doing that. I am familiar with your cause though and your songs! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

J :cool:
post #48 of 64
Well Jamie, we're not all nutters over here as cdhostage would like to think!
As long as the Guinness is cold and the craic is good.
post #49 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by Jellytussle:
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Of course, we used to be called Fantastic Britain, but the Welsh brought the average down.

: ucks back behind Offa's Dyke::</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

And it was only Mediocre Britain before Scotland joined

[ 06-22-2002: Message edited by: smeegers ]</p>
post #50 of 64
Jamie, after reading your other thread (poll) about the origin of posters, maybe you should do another more specific one, there seems to be an awful lot of Scots (myself included ) posting in this thread!

We're slowly taking over the world

[ 06-22-2002: Message edited by: smeegers ]</p>
post #51 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by smeegers:
<strong>Jamie, after reading your other thread (poll) about the origin of posters, maybe you should do another more specific one, there seems to be an awful lot of Scots (myself included ) posting in this thread!

We're slowly taking over the world

</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> I know! Where did we all suddenly appear from??

J :cool:
post #52 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by MarcUK:
<strong>
Great Britain and Britain refers to every country except (Southern) Ireland that come under duristiction from the Westminster (London) government...</strong><hr></blockquote>

And what does "Cool Britainnia" refer to?
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post #53 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by MiMac:
<strong>Britain still lays claim to Northern Ireland but that may change in time </strong><hr></blockquote>


Here´s hoping.

The demographics are looking good anyway. Aparantly the birth rate among nationalists is a lot higher than among unionists and they´ll outnumber them by 2012.

PS. I would gladly help out in that matter. Nothing beats the lovely northern twang of a Derry girl. Although the Scottish lasses come damn close!
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post #54 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by MiMac:
<strong>3: CDhostage With a remark like that you qualify for ******* of the year!

The Scots and the Irish are Celts and don't forget your history man, what about Wallace?
We have more in common than you think.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

My guess would be that he is more of the Longshanks supporting persuasion in Scotland. Huns, you might want to call them...
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post #55 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by agent302:
<strong> And I think that the separate football teams in the UK has a lot to do with historical desires of the Welsh, Scots, Irish to disassociate from the English (who, as someone pointed out, conquered all of them over the course of the last millenium). </strong><hr></blockquote>

And the <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=307811" target="_blank">rivalries</a> still <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1202-334679,00.html" target="_blank">run deep</a>
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post #56 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by MiMac:
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<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
1: Blue Meanie Northern Ireland DO have a football team, but they didn't qualify. (half Scottish, half ?).
</strong><hr></blockquote>

That makes more sense. I sit corrected
Half Scottish, half Sassenach
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post #57 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by Jamie:
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Always doing that. I am familiar with your cause though and your songs! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

J :cool: </strong><hr></blockquote>

What cause?
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post #58 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by macvasco:
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Aparantly the birth rate among nationalists is a lot higher than among unionists and they´ll outnumber them by 2012.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

And we all know why that is, don't we? (he said with a schoolboy snigger) <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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post #59 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by MiMac:
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Britain still lays claim to Northern Ireland but that may change in time </strong><hr></blockquote>

Surely it's not so much down to Britain "laying claim" to N Ireland as the majority of the population being (at times violently) opposed to integration with Ireland. Why I can't imagine, as Eire seems like a perfectly pleasant place to live
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post #60 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by macvasco:
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My guess would be that he is more of the Longshanks supporting persuasion in Scotland. Huns, you might want to call them...</strong><hr></blockquote>

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post #61 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by The Blue Meanie:
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And we all know why that is, don't we? (he said with a schoolboy snigger) <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, the Irish are known to be partial to a little "beast with two backs" now and then!
post #62 of 64
[quote]Originally posted by The Blue Meanie:
<strong>

And the <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=307811" target="_blank">rivalries</a> still <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1202-334679,00.html" target="_blank">run deep</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

Same here though, the amount of basques supporting Ireland fiercely outnumbered the amount of people with Spain jerseys.
You cannot conquer Ireland. You cannot extinguish
the Irish passion for freedom. If our deed has not
been sufficient to win freedom, then our children
will win it by a better deed.
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will win it by a better deed.
Pádraig Pearse

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post #63 of 64
Just because it is kind of funny...

Copacabannockburn by Barry Manilow


His name was David,
He was a goalie,
With a pigtail in his hair, why was he standing way out there ?
He tried to run back but couldn't make it,
The Brazilians watched it from a far, as it sneaked under the bar
You could hear the crowd roar, Rivaldo's lying on the floor
The lions whimpered out the door,
Oh baby, who could ask for more...

At the Copa, oh, Copa-ca-bann-ock-burn,
Its great to watch Rivaldo turn,
At the Copa, oh, Copa-ca-bann-ock-burn,
The man with the Moustache should stick to making the adverts,
At the Copa - They fell to bits.

His name was Rio, He was a diamond,
He was running round in rings, he saw Rivaldo level things,
And when he finished, He called him over
But Rio went to slow, Rivaldo slammed it in the goal,
And then Brooking had a spew, Motson bit his mike in two,
Then Ronaldhino, he got a red card, but with Heskey picked by Sven
It looked like ten versus ten....

At the Copa, oh, Copa-ca-bann-ock-burn,
Its great to watch Rivaldo turn,
At the Copa, oh, Copa-ca-bann-ock-burn,
With heskey near the ball, how did they score a goal at all ?,
At the Copa - We laughed and laughed.

His Name was Bobby, He was the captain,
But that was 30 years ago, thats when they used to have a show,
Now its a party, but not for Beckham,
Still in the dress he used to wear, faded feathers in his hair,
He slumps down on the pitch refined, and then cries himself half blind,
He lost his cup, and lost his glory,
But up in Scotland thats not the story....

At the Copa, oh, Copa-ca-bann-ock-burn,
Its great to watch Rivaldo turn,
At the Copa, oh, Copa-ca-bann-ock-burn,
Three little kittys on the chest, Now we all know whos the best,
At the Copa....we...said...good-byeeeeeeee!!.
You cannot conquer Ireland. You cannot extinguish
the Irish passion for freedom. If our deed has not
been sufficient to win freedom, then our children
will win it by a better deed.
Pádraig Pearse

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been sufficient to win freedom, then our children
will win it by a better deed.
Pádraig Pearse

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