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Briefly: AT&T objection, Skyfire sold-out, PayPal vulnerability

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AT&T issued a statement Wednesday refuting T-Mobile's claim to "America's largest 4G network." The Skyfire browser iOS app, which converts Flash video to HTML5, "sold-out" after just 5 hours of availability, and a security flaw in the PayPal iPhone app could let hackers intercept user passwords.

AT&T vs. T-Mobile

AT&T responded Wednesday to T-Mobile's claims that it has "America's largest 4G network," asserting that AT&T has better deployment than T-Mobile on the High Speed Packet Access (HSPA+) technology, which T-Mobile has labeled as 4G.

T-Mobile fired the first shot this week with a new advertisement that parodies Apple's award-winning "Get a Mac ads. The ad features a woman as a myTouch 4G and a man as an iPhone 4 who is slowed down by the "old AT&T network." The commercial goes on to say that T-Mobile has "America's largest 4G network."

In Wednesday's official statement, AT&T presented figures that it believes counter T-Mobile's assertion. "T-Mobile's claims about 4G are based on the same HSPA+ technology we have deployed to 180M people today, more than T-Mobile's reported 140M, and we'll have it rolled out to 250M people by the end of this month, substantially more than the 200M T-Mobile says it will have by year end," read the statement.

Also at issue is whether HSPA+ is actually a 4G technology, as it is often called 3.5G. HSPA+ is seen as a stepping stone to the faster Long Term Evolution (LTE) technology.

Skyfire

According to an official blog post, demand for the new Skyfire for iPhone app overloaded the company's servers, causing the app to 'sell out' in just 5 hours.

"The user experience was performing well for the first few hours, but as the surge continued, the peak load on our servers and bandwidth caused the video experience to degrade. Thus we are effectively sold out and will temporarily not accept new purchases from the App Store. We are working really hard to increase capacity and will be accepting new purchases from the App Store as soon as we can support it," read the post.

The new browser app for iOS had appeared on the App Store for a few hours Wednesday before being mysteriously pulled. The app offers a remote Flash to HTML5 conversion service that allows iOS users to watch Flash video content on the web, although popular TV streaming site Hulu won't work with Skyfire.

PayPal

According to The Wall Street Journal, PayPal rushed out an update to its iPhone app after being alerted to a major security flaw that could allow hackers to gain access to users' accounts. The PayPal app was updated Wednesday to version 3.0.1, which includes "an important security update."

Because an earlier version of the app neglects to confirm the authenticity of PayPal's website, a hacker can redirect an unsuspecting user to a fraudulent version of PayPal, although the attacker would need to be in the same physical location or on the same Wi-Fi network as the user.

Andrew Hoog, chief investigative officer at viaForensics, the security firm that found the flaw, called it a "colossal oversight" by PayPal.

A spokeswoman for PayPal told the Journal that she was not aware of anyone having been affected by the vulnerability yet, and promised that PayPal would reimburse any fraudulent activity resulting from the flaw.

As iOS apps deal with increasingly sensitive financial and private information, security experts have cautioned users to be more careful. Early in October, a security review found that 68 percent of the top iPhone apps in the App Store transmitted an unencrypted unique device identifier that could reveal personal information.
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Its not perfect but it does indeed work
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Its not perfect but it does indeed work

You mean Skyfire, right? How are the load times?
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You mean Skyfire, right? How are the load times?

In fairness, their servers are a little overwhelmed right now due to consumer demand. To answer your question though, things are painfully slow(at the moment).

I have 30 mb download, I'm not used to waiting, especially not 8 minutes for a 2 minute clip.
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You mean Skyfire, right? How are the load times?

This afternoon when I tried it it was about 10-15 seconds to get a video to start.. About 10 minutes ago the video wasn't loading at all.. Their servers are getting killed.

Overall though, I feel kinda ripped off. Bought it on a impulse.. and to be honest it's not the best experience. The browser itself is ok, but a bit sluggish compared to safari. Waiting for stuff to load on another server side is almost annoying enough to not deal with it.. And, more annoying, since it streams live, you cannot fast forward through any clips. I guess it will be nice to have every now and again if I really want to see a flash clip but for the most part its nothing special.
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Skyfire

According to an official blog post, demand for the new Skyfire for iPhone app overloaded the company's servers, causing the app to 'sell out' in just 5 hours.

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It looks like there is HUGE demand for Flash video on iOS devices. The developer thought that there was, or it would not have developed the app. But not even the developer anticipated the enormity of the demand for Flash Video on iDevices.

I wonder if Apple will change in any manner given this information.
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It looks like there is HUGE demand for Flash video on iOS devices. The developer thought that there was, or it would not have developed the app. But not even the developer anticipated the enormity of the demand for Flash Video on iDevices.

I wonder if Apple will change in any manner given this information.

Well, this information isn't exactly news. I'm sure Apple is well aware people want flash. Apple's stance is that flash sucks on mobile devices(and it does). I just wonder if flash were to improve, would Apple change its stance.
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It looks like there is HUGE demand for Flash video on iOS devices. The developer thought that there was, or it would not have developed the app. But not even the developer anticipated the enormity of the demand for Flash Video on iDevices.

I wonder if Apple will change in any manner given this information.

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Well, this information isn't exactly news. I'm sure Apple is well aware people want flash. Apple's stance is that flash sucks on mobile devices(and it does). I just wonder if flash were to improve, would Apple change its stance.

And how much of this is just basic curiousity that is indulged because it is inexpensive? Let us know in three weeks how busy they are and that will tell you how many people really want Flash.
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And how much of this is just basic curiousity that is indulged because it is inexpensive? Let us know in three weeks how busy they are and that will tell you how many people really want Flash.

It's definitely obvious which direction the web is heading considering I had to really search just to find video in flash format. I guess it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have the option.

A poor choice is better than no choice, right?
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Well, this information isn't exactly news. I'm sure Apple is well aware people want flash. Apple's stance is that flash sucks on mobile devices(and it does). I just wonder if flash were to improve, would Apple change its stance.

There is nothing to change on their stance. The server is doing the work, not the local device with a limited battery and weak ARM CPU. The video being sent is in a format that excludes the resource heavy Flash code. Its simplified, which is exactly what Apple has been stating is need for years now, what MS and others are also backing, and what Adobe has been trying to correct with Flash since it was pointed out how much they let their plugin languish.

PS: Why dont I see Android browser apps that convert HTML5 to Flash since I keep hearing how much more efficient and great Flash is on Android?
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Well, this information isn't exactly news. I'm sure Apple is well aware people want flash. Apple's stance is that flash sucks on mobile devices(and it does). I just wonder if flash were to improve, would Apple change its stance.

I'm sure Apple would jump for a good version of Flash for iOS. I'm sure they'd promote the hell out of it in ads too. However its Adobe that can't write a version for the iPhone.

Adobe only has to release something that just works, and at this point there are only two logical conclusions:
1. Adobe is lazy and wont commit the effort to code for iPhone
2. Adobe is incapable of writing Flash for the iPhone

I'm guessing #1 is unlikely because a Flash app for $1-2 would make a small fortune overnight for Adobe, and even a free version would help cement Flash as THE video format for the near future.

I think #2 is much more likely, Adobe has either lost the talent to code Flash for mobile, or the codebase is such a convoluted pile of nonsense that it's almost impossible to streamline. Since Flash came from Macromedia, I think its a very safe bet that it barely works now on the desktop.
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And how much of this is just basic curiousity that is indulged because it is inexpensive? Let us know in three weeks how busy they are and that will tell you how many people really want Flash.

Totally Agree. I may have really needed the app a year ago, but it's been quite awhile since I ran across a blue box.

However I downloaded it. Curious to see how it worked, what it was about, blah, etc. It received a lot of pre-release publicity.

I loaded several videos but only watched for a second or too. But I am sure I didn't help thing by banging their server with requests.

I don't expect I would use it much, if at all. But, it's not a bad thing to have for anytime I may really need to watch a flash video.
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Regd. TMobile's claim about 4G, its nonsense throughout.

Fact is that not only is TMobile (or ATT)'s network not 4G, even the next version (plain LTE) is not 4G. That is just false advertising.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/21/i...eryone-else-i/
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Regd. TMobile's claim about 4G, its nonsense throughout.

Fact is that not only is TMobile (or ATT)'s network not 4G, even the next version (plain LTE) is not 4G. That is just false advertising.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/21/i...eryone-else-i/

There is nothing false about it. Youre assuming that their statement of 4G refers to the ITU definition which means LTE Advanced, but they never state that.

They could define 4G how they wish, based on how they setup different generations of cellular data (e.g.: GPRS, DGE, HS*PA, HSPA+) or by the speed of their network as the demarcation point. For example, is the current iPhone 4G. Yes! Its the 4th generation iPhone and Apple could have advertised it as such.

At worst, T-Mobile gets a lot of free press by AT&T and others coming out against their claim for 4G and the public gets slightly more informed about falling for marketing terms and applying marketing terms to well defined industry terms when they arent specified as such.
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It looks like there is HUGE demand for Flash video on iOS devices.

The only things indicated here is that a bunch of people bought the app all at the same time and tried to use the appat the same time. A secondary issue is likely a poor server installation. Get back to us in a month or two and we might have an idea as to demand.
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The developer thought that there was, or it would not have developed the app. But not even the developer anticipated the enormity of the demand for Flash Video on iDevices.

I'm not sure what the developer is up to. The first thing that comes to mind is where is the money? That is how will they pay for the servers and bandwidth.
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I wonder if Apple will change in any manner given this information.

I highly doubt it for this round of hardware. First off today says nothing about the demand for flash on iOS devices. Second the performance issue is real, as long as we are running relatively slow single core processors flash is a waste. Worst Skyfyre is only a solution for video, something that is already being replaced widely on the net.

In any event I don't see this app being around long, mainly because it is a bad solution to a minor problem. Also I don't see the economic basis for the company to survive.
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AT&T

Are there any phones/devices that can use AT&Ts HSPA+ network?

Skyfire

I got the app in the morning right after my class ended, and my thoughts are that it works pretty good! It doesn't play hulu which isn't a big deal for me, and flash game don't work, also not a big deal since I don't play flash games. It takes a minute or two to get things set up and to buffer the video (but that was in the morning when the app was released). I normally don't need flash since the sites that I go to are iOS friendly, but having this option to play flash videos (converted to HTML 5) is always a plus in my book.
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Good thing I stopped by AI. I was disappointed I thought Apple pulled skyfire for no apparent reason or you know their control freaky way like they've done so in the past coz it disappeared from the App Store. Was going to get it. I guess I'll have to wait til the developers get their joint all squared away.
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It looks like there is HUGE demand for Flash video on iOS devices.

No, that's not true. You really don't get it, do you? There is HUGE demand for video on iOS. Nobody gives a shit whether or not it's in Flash, they just want to watch the video. And they don't want to lose 1/2 their battery life every time they watch a 5 minute clip either, which is prone to happen on a mobile device with Flash.

Read this post by the Skyfire CEO for some enlightenment:

http://www.skyfire.com/press/blog/60...hase-of-growth
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and apple still think the iTwats don't want flash on their devices......

Just get Android or web OS or blackberry or symbian or windows phone 7. All will have flash soon!
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Well, internally, Apple has probably already developed a Flash video playback for iOS. It's fast, efficient, doesn't crash, ready to go when necessary, when people really demand it. Regular Flash I think not, just the video. It's like when they kept hidden all this time the Intel version of Mac OS X since the beginning. But Apple's real bet is HTML5 streaming video.
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Millions of people want crack and heroine too. Doesn't mean it's good.

Heck, millions of people want Windows computers...Not saying much.
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Millions of people want crack and heroine too. Doesn't mean it's good.

Heck, millions of people want Windows computers...Not saying much.

ha, so so so narrow minded. Millions if not billions of people NEED windows computers, take enterprise - a mac is crap there, just a silver toy. And did you really just compare flash to crack and heroine? REALLY?
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PS: Why dont I see Android browser apps that convert HTML5 to Flash since I keep hearing how much more efficient and great Flash is on Android?

It would be unnecessary.

The question is not "more efficient" or less, the question is yes/no.

And Android does yes/yes, so there is no need for any kludgey bullshit, like there is on iOS.
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I think #2 is much more likely, Adobe has either lost the talent to code Flash for mobile, or the codebase is such a convoluted pile of nonsense that it's almost impossible to streamline. Since Flash came from Macromedia, I think its a very safe bet that it barely works now on the desktop.



There is also a #3, having to do with hardware acceleration and APIs.

Positing a limited number of choices, manufactured in one's imagination, and then picking one rarely gives a correct answer.
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No, that's not true. You really don't get it, do you? There is HUGE demand for video on iOS. Nobody gives a shit whether or not it's in Flash, they just want to watch the video. And they don't want to lose 1/2 their battery life every time they watch a 5 minute clip either, which is prone to happen on a mobile device with Flash.

Read



I think that the number of downloads of an app which does nothing except allows Flash Videos to work is an indication of demand for Flash video.

You might arrive at the conclusion that it indicates an undifferentiated demand for video, bit given taht the app is specifically for Flash Video, and NOT for video in general, I'm not sure how your conclusion follows.
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AppleInsider's original article on Skyfire listed that it would go on sale Thursday (today) @ 9 AM EST. I had an alarm set on my phone and everything to download it! What gives! So it really went on sale yesterday on Wednesday? I don't really ened Flash, but I am one of those people that want my phone fully enabled to do anything should I need it. It just bothers me that it went on sale a day earlier than projected and I missed it...
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Millions of people want crack and heroine too. Doesn't mean it's good.

Heck, millions of people want Windows computers...Not saying much.



The only thing that connects Windows, Crack and Heroin to Flash Video is demand.

But to connect them at all implies that Flash is something that ruins one's life, has no real value, etc.

One could just as well have said that in the 1930's millions of Germans wanted to exterminate the Jews. It would have been the exact same point, but much more spectacular. And no more or less invalid.
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Skyfire is taking flash video from the web and transcoding it live on their servers into a format the iPhone can read (mp4). All your browsing within their app is going thru their servers (at least for the video), which means A) they are going to have to have server farms and processing power the likes of YouTube to handle the traffic, and B) this third party developer has access to your viewing habits.... and I'm sure people are just going to love their porn footprints left on some server.... or any web viewing for that matter.

Apple let this one through because it doesn't decode flash itself... its being handled in the cloud.

Another thing is I wonder what every web site that has its content repurposed for this application feels about this scenario.
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Millions of people want crack and heroine too. Doesn't mean it's good.

Heck, millions of people want Windows computers...Not saying much.

You're right, you aren't saying much.
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PS: Why dont I see Android browser apps that convert HTML5 to Flash since I keep hearing how much more efficient and great Flash is on Android?

http://www.skyfire.com/product/android/
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/860/cpsid_86018.html
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Is there a reason youd post two links that have nothing to do with my comment and then fail to comment yourself?
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Is there a reason youd post two links that have nothing to do with my comment and then fail to comment yourself?

Sure. You asked "why don't I see Android browser apps that convert HTML5 to Flash" and I answered that a) there is such thing around but b) there is no real need for such with the advent of Android 2.2. Am I misunderstanding something?
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Sure. You asked "why don't I see Android browser apps that convert HTML5 to Flash" and I answered that a) there is such thing around but b) there is no real need for such with the advent of Android 2.2. Am I misunderstanding something?

Thats Skfire and Flash for Android. The former converts Flash to HTML5, the latter just displays Flash content. I was making an offhand joke about converting "HTML5 to Flash since I keep hearing how much more efficient Flash is than HTML5.
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ha, so so so narrow minded. Millions if not billions of people NEED windows computers, take enterprise - a mac is crap there, just a silver toy. And did you really just compare flash to crack and heroine? REALLY?

It's so tiresome to read that nonsense that Mac's can't cut it in the enterprise. Just like saying that enterprise demand RIM and Windows Mobile phones for "real" enterprise email, etc. Those days are over.

Apple laptops, iPhones and iPads are making it into the enterprise on a large scale since demand for Apple is driven top down and even by IT departments.
Heck, most of the system and network admins I know only use MB's/MBP's. Not just Linux and Cisco guys, but people administering 200 Dell servers using a Mac
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Flash will be dead soon, so buying Skyfire is stupid and wasteful.
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I keep hearing how much more efficient Flash is than HTML5.

Where the heck are you hearing that? You "keep hearing" it? Repeatedly?

Are these reviews you hear it in? Where?
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Skyfire... not really worth it just to get a few more clickable Flash ads, IMO.

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Apple laptops, iPhones and iPads are making it into the enterprise on a large scale)

In the enterprise? On a large scale?

I've heard anecdotal stuff, but nothing more. Where do you get your information? From what I have heard, apple dismisses the enterprise in favor of a consumer focus. And now you say their enterprise sales are making it big?

Do tell.
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Skyfire... not really worth it just to get a few more clickable Flash ads, IMO.

Pretty sure ads dont display on Skyfire... but then again i havent touched Skyfire since Froyo became available for my device as there is no need for it.

Skyfire is definitely a lovely option for those devices that cant do native flash. I saw it running on one of those prepaid Samsung Intercepts and it ran quite well
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It looks like there is HUGE demand for Flash video on iOS devices. The developer thought that there was, or it would not have developed the app. But not even the developer anticipated the enormity of the demand for Flash Video on iDevices.

I wonder if Apple will change in any manner given this information.

Your way with logic gives me a chuckle. You know that there is a "HUGE demand" because you know what their operating capacity is, right? You know that they were postured to handle 22 million people and that turned out to be not enough, right?
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