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post #81 of 95
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Originally Posted by Steve-J View Post

Yeah.

What's up with that? Is Chrome somehow less capable? I've been using it lately, and it seems about the same as other browsers in most respects.

But if it fails to utilize the GPU, then maybe it's back to Firefox?

See results above for the Chrome v9 dev build.
post #82 of 95
Zz, another ludicrously dishonest flash bashing drivel...

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If you play lots of video (...) expect to have to find a power outlet well within four hours.

From the same article.

Thus if you enable video-like flash ads (because you obviously don't know what is an adblocker) it will suck up your battery as if you were looking at any other video: congrats genius, that's newsworthy and can be part of your deceptive propaganda.
post #83 of 95
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Originally Posted by Cubert View Post

Most importantly, many porn sites use Flash.

No they dont.
post #84 of 95
Apple has all that info. They have access to Safari and OS X system information. If you call a company "lazy" and it's product unnecessary, just be honest and report how many of your customers want it.


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Originally Posted by charlituna View Post

These comments imply that you believe that Apple ran this little test. They didn't. A blogger at Ars Technica did. So blame him for his bias test.

As for Apple telling you how many folks installed Flash. They likely can't. Because the installation is direct from Adobe so Apple won't have the numbers. Now Adobe could publish them, but probably won't unless the numbers show a vast majority of users installing the software would means folks still want it
post #85 of 95
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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

Yeah, you can't live without it. Those ads would be unbearable to watch. But for all the Flash bashing AI does you'd think they would make some effort to get away from Flash themselves, but no, every news story has a flash video and almost all the ads are Flash as well. If Flash is so despicable, why does AI insist on displaying it throughout their whole site?

I just have Adblock on PC Safari and Firefox, Glimmerblocker on Mac and AtomicWeb on iPad so I see very little AppleInsider ads (sorry Kasper, that's the way I roll)

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Originally Posted by theshaka2 View Post

this is such a skewed article (like all apple fanboy articles about flash).

if you gimp a website of some/many of its features, of course it will load faster and use less memory/processor.

LOL using Flash is what "gimps" a website in the first place.
post #86 of 95
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Originally Posted by anthropic View Post

Apart from the lack of reality and logic presented by this article, it pales in comparrison to the usual anti-Flash rants on this site.

But what I really don't get is this:
When advertisers start creating all their adverts in HTML5 and you can no longer avoid them with a clicktoflash tool as they suck your battery life stone cold dead. Will you wake up lamenting the day Flash was overtaken by HTML5 for advertising presentation?

So try thinking before you bag Flash.

Huh? Adblock, Glimmerblocker and AtomicWeb all block plenty of non-Flash ads. Shouldn't change much even if and when the Flash ads all go non-Flash.
post #87 of 95
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Originally Posted by Cubert View Post

Most importantly, many porn sites use Flash.

Yeah, that's why I need Flash only 5 minutes a day.
post #88 of 95
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Originally Posted by Orlando View Post

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Originally Posted by waldobushman View Post

No flash, no problem, no downside.

No money for the people who run the sites and write the articles you are reading.

It's the advertiser's choice to employ Flash in their advertisements, or not. They're free choose something else.

Thanks to ClickToFlash I don't see a single Flash ad. Hence, "choosing something else" will infinitely increase the likelihood of me seeing one of their advertisements.
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post #89 of 95
On my Mac's I also use the AdBlock extension for safari!

For watching Youtube video I use this Safari Extension, I think it's genius and makes my new 2010 13" MBA 1,86GHz 2GB run 1080p trailers flawless with HTML5 (+ no more commercials):
Safari Youtube5 Extension
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post #91 of 95
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Originally Posted by MacRulez View Post

Do you really believe Flash-based content takes that much more power than HTML5-based content?

I was suckered into reading this by the catchy headline, but as others here have noted the trick is to load only plain HTML without any multimedia content. Once multimedia is added into the mix, the stats posted here make it pretty clear that Flash is no worse, and arguably a bit better, than HTML5-based implementations of the same content.

Not true, I've replaced it with the extension Youtube5 which uses HTML5, and still battery life is longer!
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post #92 of 95
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Originally Posted by Corax View Post

Not true, I've replaced it with the extension Youtube5 which uses HTML5, and still battery life is longer!

Youtube5 is bypassing programmatic content though so is that a valid comparison to make?
post #93 of 95
Someone with a MacBook Air should visit an html5/JS based demoing site and see how much the battery life decreases as a result of it vs static content.

Look at how hard such content can be on an iPad for example:
Steve Jobs HTML5 web experience on the iPad

A couple of months ago Google made some non-Flash based animated doodles on their search page using html/js/css and a lot of people complained about increases in power usage and the slowing down of their computers:
Google’s Blobby Birthday Doodle Wastes Power

Hopefully this will give more perspective on the issue instead of just the anti-Flash bias.
post #94 of 95
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Originally Posted by MacRulez View Post

Do you really believe Flash-based content takes that much more power than HTML5-based content?

I was suckered into reading this by the catchy headline, but as others here have noted the trick is to load only plain HTML without any multimedia content. Once multimedia is added into the mix, the stats posted here make it pretty clear that Flash is no worse, and arguably a bit better, than HTML5-based implementations of the same content.

It'a all about the codec and wrapper implementations. Flash's implementation is very battery heavy, even the new GPU accelerated version is, because GPUs are eating current faster than CPUs. GPU video based Flash just gets a virtual pass because users can't see GPU usage and power draw like they can in CPU usage meters and graphics. But it's there because Flash naively updates everything all the time at the max rate it can.

H-264 based HTML5 video has a much lower power draw because one of the goals of the codec was to reduce the number of pixels changed per frame. Fewer pixels to compute, less work needed, less power drawn.

Other HTML content will depend on the programming. Naive javascript programmers who make greedy run loops will crank up CPU usage. Competent javascript programmers will run on a frame rate basis and give up the CPU when they don't need it. HTML5 framework tools will make this easier to use for everyone as the webworkers threading gets standardized. But poor old Flash will be stuck with creating compute greedy content no matter what because that's just how it's made under the hood.
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post #95 of 95
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

"Without the Flash plugin installed, websites typically display static ads in place of Flash content."

...rushes to uninstall Flash from my Mac!!!
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