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Apple this week announced the discontinuation of Xserve, revealing it will support but no longer offer its rackmounted servers after Jan. 31, 2011.

The announcement appeared on Apple's Xserve site Friday, notifying users of the upcoming deadline. It also features a PDF for the "Xserve Transition Guide."

Apple will not be developing a future version of Xserve, leaving customers looking for a Mac-based server option to choose between the Mac Pro with Snow Leopard Server, or the Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server. Both systems will be available for customers looking to upgrade, replace or supplement existing Xserve systems.

Xserve orders will be accepted through Jan. 31, 2011, including the 160GB, 1TB, and 2TB models, and those purchases will be backed by Apple's full one-year warranty.

"Customers can rest assured that Intel-based Xserve systems will continue to provide useful service during and after this transition," Apple's transition guide reads.

The documentation notes that the 12-core Mac Pro with Snow Leopard Server meets or exceeds the performance of the baseline Xserve hardware. The Mac mini with Snow Leopard Server, on the other hand, is significantly outperformed by Xserve, but it has been Apple's most popular server system since its introduction in the fall of 2009.

The Xserve hardware was upgraded to Intel's Nehalem-based Xeon processor in April of 2009. Customers can still buy a 1U rack-optimized system with one quad-core 2.26GHz system starting at $2,999, or a system with two processors starting at $3,599.

In June, Apple updated its Mac mini line, giving the Snow Leopard Server offering a 2.66GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor for $999. The new Mac Pro, with up to 12 processing cores, was announced in July and launched in August.
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This decision will polarize people for sure. Let the games begin.
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1 less Mac model.

Apple *should* have been able to do well in the server market. There is a lot of complicated crap in there, and a server with the simplicity of a Mac should have taken off.

But OS X Server was never that great of a product. The GUI might have used Cocoa but that's where the Mac-ness/simplicity ended. Also there is a lot of irrational hate of Apple with IT admins, and they need servers with comprehensive support/on-sire repair.

I hope OS X server isn't discontinued, but with Java now deprecated (which is primarily a server side tech these days, on the Mac at least) it makes you wonder is OS X server is not next, and the new Mac Pro server is just temporary placation.

Edit: I think the white Macbook should go next. They don't need 3 lines of laptop.
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damnit, what are they thinking? xserve hardware though often a step behind mac pro hardware is far better suited to the comms room than mac pros - I'll have to get a whole new cage when I next upgrade just to house the new machines!
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Well if your not going to produce a rack server then allow Dell or HP to use OS X server in their rack machines .
I have been with you Apple since OS 6.03 and I am tired of the playing, if you want to compete in industry then you need a rack server.
otherwise give up the OS and we will all suffer using linux or cannot bare to say it windows
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Poor move. :/
How should Apple be taken seriously after that.

The transition from xserve to Macmini is just laughable.
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1 less Mac model.

Apple *should* have been able to do well in the server market. There is a lot of complicated crap in there, and a server with the simplicity of a Mac should have taken off.

This is why I've advocated either licensing OSX or resurrecting the Power Computing name as a wholly owned subsidiary for business. Apple gets fun consumer things but they don't get business customers. They keep trying to push the consumer side's business model on corporate customers. What they need is people who think not like Apple, but more like Dell or HP but can also leverage Apple's innovations. They should have bought Sun when they had the chance.
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Does anybody but me think that they could possibly announce a replacement to the Xserve? You know, get rid of the name, make a significant spec bump, redesign, kind of an "Apple reinvents the server" kind of update? I don't know, I just have a hard time believing the mac mini server is all they're going to have. It's good for small businesses, but not enough for corporations.
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Apple... now officially a toymaker.

Sad indeed for those of us who respected them as a computer company. I'm predicting $50 a share in a few years, once the hype around the iPhone and iPad dies down and competition establishes itself - Apple now has a very fickle and uneducated consumer base, one good competitive product will bring them down.

All they needed to do was put 4 drives in instead of 3. I wonder what's gonna go in the big datacenter(s)? Perhaps OS X Server will come out on Dell? Wait - I know - Apple's gonna buy IBM...

p.s. the Mac Pro will go next...
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And they'll bring it back in less than two years when people who need servers stop buying (and making) Apple products at all. This is abject nonsense. PROOF that Apple couldn't care less about their professionals, much less their computer department at all.

I'll be buying whatever model Mac Pro they EOL and then Hackintoshing when it becomes too old for real work.
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A disgrace!

A joke!

Do they really think I can put MacPro´s in server halls and in larger companies? Bye bye Apple in enterprise...
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

And they'll bring it back in less than two years when people who need servers stop buying (and making) Apple products at all. This is abject nonsense. PROOF that Apple couldn't care less about their professionals, much less their computer department at all.

I'll be buying whatever model Mac Pro they EOL and then Hackintoshing when it becomes too old for real work.

Yes, Apple has constantly screwed their professional user base over the last few years. No concept of what business users require.

Fail.
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This decision will polarize people for sure. Let the games begin.

It makes perfect sense. It is unlikely that they make much money from that product line.

Next to be discontinued: High end Mac workstations.
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Originally Posted by ascii View Post

1 less Mac model.

Apple *should* have been able to do well in the server market. There is a lot of complicated crap in there, and a server with the simplicity of a Mac should have taken off.

But OS X Server was never that great of a product. The GUI might have used Cocoa but that's where the Mac-ness/simplicity ended. Also there is a lot of irrational hate of Apple with IT admins, and they need servers with comprehensive support/on-sire repair.

I hope OS X server isn't discontinued, but with Java now deprecated (which is primarily a server side tech these days, on the Mac at least) it makes you wonder is OS X server is not next, and the new Mac Pro server is just temporary placation.

Edit: I think the white Macbook should go next. They don't need 3 lines of laptop.

These were actually pretty good servers. But Apple never seemed to have a lot of interest in the line. It was said for a long time that they needed to have more than a one rack height version so companies would be able to expand into more powerful models, but they never did that. In addition, blade models would have been popular, but Apple never had an interest in those either.

Really, they kicked themselves in their own foot. What does this mean for their new enterprise push? It doesn't look good to me.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

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What rill they use in Apple server farms?

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The big iron.
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What does this mean for their new enterprise push? It doesn't look good to me.

New enterprise push? I must have missed that.

What other things have happened which show that Apple had a new enterprise push? I thought that they announced at some public presentation that they had little interest in the enterprise.

What new enterprise push?
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Originally Posted by hittrj01 View Post

Does anybody but me think that they could possibly announce a replacement to the Xserve? You know, get rid of the name, make a significant spec bump, redesign, kind of an "Apple reinvents the server" kind of update? I don't know, I just have a hard time believing the mac mini server is all they're going to have. It's good for small businesses, but not enough for corporations.

Nope, it's just you... (no offense )

Apple doesn't have the clout to reinvent the 19" rack. They're walking away from a multi-billion dollar market, when all they have to do is hire a couple of IBM/HP/Dell and mostly unhappy Sun execs, and keep Steve off their backs for a couple of years. Wait... I think I've spotted the problem...
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It makes perfect sense. It is unlikely that they make much money from that product line.

Next to be discontinued: High end Mac workstations.

If you mean Mac Pro's loaded out, I disagree. No way they kill that line. I have a system that needs another Mac Pro (12 core) in place to run an internal service at work. No machine except the XServe or MacPro has the horsepower to do this. There is no way Apple kills the Mac Pro.

I have considered the Xserve in the past but it just didn't fit our needs. I could easily see how it may fit other's needs and I am curious to why Apple has done this. To me, it doesn't make sense unless Steve feels like he only wants the End User part of the enterprise business.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

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A disgrace!

A joke!

Do they really think I can put MacPro´s in server halls and in larger companies? Bye bye Apple in enterprise...

'bye bye'? they never were in the enterprise. they never worked at getting in the enterprise and no one really uses them except for here and there a lonely xserv ha.
they needed to just stop pretending they could compete and get out.
they are a 'mobile' company now anyway right?
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It makes perfect sense. It is unlikely that they make much money from that product line.

Next to be discontinued: High end Mac workstations.

Yeah - like they have to downsize and keep control of their spendings like they had to 8 years ago when the intruduced the first Xserve.

Death of Apple in enterprise

EPIC F...ING FAIL!!!
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The big iron.

With my background, "big iron" means mainframes with lots of compute power.

As I see it, a server farm, needs lots of storage, I/O, caching, bandwidth, parallelism, redundancy.

This is better provided by many, less-powerful, devices!

What do you mean by "big iron"?


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Apple... now officially a toymaker.

Sad indeed for those of us who respected them as a computer company. I'm predicting $50 a share in a few years, once the hype around the iPhone and iPad dies down and competition establishes itself - Apple now has a very fickle and uneducated consumer base, one good competitive product will bring them down.

All they needed to do was put 4 drives in instead of 3. I wonder what's gonna go in the big datacenter(s)? Perhaps OS X Server will come out on Dell? Wait - I know - Apple's gonna buy IBM...

p.s. the Mac Pro will go next...


$50 a share ? LOL, Warren Buffet will buy it all for $100 a share, if i had the money i would too. Considering they have $56 dollars per share worth of cash. And other asset that is worth at least 14 dollars. No Debt.

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I dont understand the logic behind this. Xserve may not be making much money, but it is definitely needed if you are continuing with OSX Server. Mac Mini is not a server, even with Server software.

What will Apple do with their Server Farm, i bet they wont be using any others competitors Server considering if some image of it leaks out. ( Apple Billion Server Farm using Dell machines......... )

They could make their own, but they might just as well uses XServe.

Unless, as some one already mention, they are going to redesign Server, Or their Whole data center will be using Mac Mini ( WOOT!!!??? ), sounds crazy, but apple has always been doing crazy things.

Edit: As a matter of fact this isn't so far off. Apple needs loads of Servers , or container for HDD Storage. But actual processing and memory usage is rather low.

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he only wants the End User part of the enterprise business.


I think it is clear that they want no part of the enterprise. They have dropped hints before, but now thy are taking action.

They want the consumer market. That is where they are aiming. All the cool new products are consumer products.

AFAIK, the only computers which make them enough money to bother with are the laptops. None of the others sell all that well compared to the other consumer lines.

iPods, iPhones and iPads are where the money is.
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I don't know why everyone is freaking out...

- The new Mac Mini with Leopard Server is close to the same specs for 1/3rd the price.
- You don't really need the faster processors in a server.
- You can get external raid storage if you need it (Mac Mini has FireWire 800)

And mostly.. Apple is pushing "going green"
- Mac Mini's use 10W of power when idling. (max of 80W) XServe does max of 750W??
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they needed to just stop pretending they could compete and get out.
they are a 'mobile' company now anyway right?


Bingo.

They are not known for flogging a dead horse. They instead follow the money wherever it leads them.
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damnit, what are they thinking? xserve hardware though often a step behind mac pro hardware is far better suited to the comms room than mac pros - I'll have to get a whole new cage when I next upgrade just to house the new machines!

The real issue is, do you really want to run Apple kit in your server room, or do you only need to run OS X Server ?

I fully expect OS X Server to be available under virtualization (on non-Apple hardware). That actually reduces the number of rack units you need in the server room.
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I don't know why everyone is freaking out...

- The new Mac Mini with Leopard Server is close to the same specs for 1/3rd the price.
- You don't really need the faster processors in a server.
- You can get external raid storage if you need it (Mac Mini has FireWire 800)

And mostly.. Apple is pushing "going green"
- Mac Mini's use 10W of power when idling. (max of 80W) XServe does max of 750W??

Firewire 800 is a joke compared to Fibre
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

With my background, "big iron" means mainframes with lots of compute power.

As I see it, a server farm, needs lots of storage, I/O, caching, bandwidth, parallelism, redundancy.

This is better provided by many, less-powerful, devices!

What do you mean by "big iron"?


And what brands?

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I misused the term.
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Edit: As a matter of fact this isn't so far off. Apple needs loads of Servers , or container for HDD Storage. But actual processing and memory usage is rather low.

Easily accomplished with an iSCSI or Fibre Channel SAN solution, no need for a bunch of Mac Minis to do this, especially considering the lack of easily swappable drives in the Mini (let alone that they are consumer-level 2.5" drives) essentially precludes them from being used in a tier-1 enterprise environment.
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Could this be a prelude to a deal between Steve and Larry? Maybe an Apple / Sun deal may be coming ... just a thought.
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Apple... now officially a toymaker.

Sad indeed for those of us who respected them as a computer company. I'm predicting $50 a share in a few years, once the hype around the iPhone and iPad dies down and competition establishes itself - Apple now has a very fickle and uneducated consumer base, one good competitive product will bring them down.

All they needed to do was put 4 drives in instead of 3. I wonder what's gonna go in the big datacenter(s)? Perhaps OS X Server will come out on Dell? Wait - I know - Apple's gonna buy IBM...

p.s. the Mac Pro will go next...

What the heck are talking about? You just went on just to hear yourself rant some ant-apple hate.
Fail +10.
Apple helped pioneer the f****** pc industry little boy. They make their own world class OS and they design their own godd**** hardware.
You better thank god Apple is pulling out and not really putting their full force behind servers.Why? Don't you know? Your job security!!!!
Toy maker? Ha ha ha ha!
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Originally Posted by GelfTheElf View Post

I don't know why everyone is freaking out...

- The new Mac Mini with Leopard Server is close to the same specs for 1/3rd the price.
- You don't really need the faster processors in a server.
- You can get external raid storage if you need it (Mac Mini has FireWire 800)

And mostly.. Apple is pushing "going green"
- Mac Mini's use 10W of power when idling. (max of 80W) XServe does max of 750W??

You obviously did not you read the PDF Apple has posted on their website their performance is over 1/3 less as well......or have any experience in servers at all.

Here's the kicker Godaddy started this year to offer Dedicated XServe Hosting as well. Wonder what will happen now ?? (http://www.godaddy.com/hosting/mac-h....aspx?ci=18037)
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Not thinking they sold a ton of these, there are some great hosts out there now, and with Apple's cloud center coming online, betting they will offer a better solution.

It's so funny that most folks (and betting folks that have never bought an X-Serve) are way smarter than Apple in this case. Overall they seem to know what they are doing.
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Who cares?!
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Originally Posted by GelfTheElf View Post

I don't know why everyone is freaking out...

- The new Mac Mini with Leopard Server is close to the same specs for 1/3rd the price.
- You don't really need the faster processors in a server.
- You can get external raid storage if you need it (Mac Mini has FireWire 800)

And mostly.. Apple is pushing "going green"
- Mac Mini's use 10W of power when idling. (max of 80W) XServe does max of 750W??

The Mac Mini has been THE choice for Mac servers for a long time now. I've actually been under the impression that the Xserve was on it's way out, and I was more right than I thought. If your processing needs are beyond the Mac Mini, which is not likely, the Mac Pro is your answer, especially for it's expandability. You can buy it it bear bones and upgrade at your convenience.

An Xserve has always just been the most expensive option, both initially and in power consumption. Period. In the last year, sales must have finally reached a point where it was no longer cost effective to produce the product.
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'bye bye'? they never were in the enterprise. they never worked at getting in the enterprise and no one really uses them except for here and there a lonely xserv ha.
they needed to just stop pretending they could compete and get out.
they are a 'mobile' company now anyway right?

You sound thrilled! Must be happy Apple saved your effing job security. Anybody in the know knows that if Apple wanted to play the disposable server game they could.
The server business is a dump that keeps a bunch of high paid techs employed.
laugh at that!
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Firewire 800 is a joke compared to Fibre

A joke. So is the number of people who have those needs, and ALSO require Mac Server software.
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