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T-Mobile confirmed the mysterious iPhone charge cable it will begin selling in the U.S. is for roaming European customers. Also, Apple released yet another build of Mac OS X 10.6.5, and, finally, a new report alleges the iPad performs better on a home Wi-Fi access point than a 4G hotspot.

T-Mobile

After reports of T-Mobile selling an iPod and iPhone charge cable emerged Friday, a T-Mobile spokesperson told BGR that the cable is intended for subscribers using unlocked iPhones and European T-Mobile customers roaming in the U.S., quelling rumors that the cable indicated T-Mobile might begin offering the iPhone stateside.

"Select T-Mobile stores will soon begin carrying iPod/iPhone charge and Sync cables to support customers who may be using an unlocked iPhone or are traveling from outside the United States and using an iPhone while roaming on our network. T-Mobile carries the iPhone in Europe, so many people traveling to the U.S. roam on our network with their iPhones," said the T-Mobile spokesperson.

T-Mobile recently lost iPhone exclusivity on its home turf of Germany, with O2 and Vodafone offering the iPhone as of the end of October. In addition, German customers can now purchase an unlocked, contract-free iPhone directly from Apple.

Earlier this week, Deutsche Telekom Chief Executive Rene Obermann blamed disappointing growth from its American subsidiary T-Mobile on the lack of the iPhone. T-Mobile, which is the smallest of the 4 major carriers in the U.S., could face a bigger threat from the iPhone if it comes to Verizon Wireless next year as expected.

Mac OS X 10.6.5

Apple issued a beta of the forthcoming Mac OS X 10.6.5 update to developers Friday. The beta, labeled build 10H571, comes 5 days after Apple released an internal "pre-release build."

According to the release notes, developers who installed Thursday's Mac OS X 10.6.6 beta will need to revert to 10.6.0-10.6.4 in order to install the latest 10.6.5 build. Focus areas for the build are: 3D Graphics, Printing, QuickTime, Time Machine and USB Devices.

The public release of Mac OS X 10.6.5, which is required to take full advantage of the soon-to-be-released iOS 4.2, is expected to come soon. iOS 4.2 is scheduled for a November release.

iPad

BTIG Research analyst Walter Piecyk claims the iPad's average download speeds using 4G hotspot devices are significantly lower than Windows laptops or when connected to typical Wi-Fi access points, John Paczkowski of Digital Daily reports.

The analyst tested the iPad's download speeds using hotspot devices, including Clear's iSpot, which is designed specifically for iOS devices, across several 4G and 3G networks. According to the research report, the iPad averaged download speeds of 2.53Mbps. In comparison, Windows laptops averaged download speeds of 5.2Mbps across three of the same hotspot devices. On hotspot devices using 3G networks, the difference between Windows laptops and the iPad narrowed, with average download speeds of .89Mbps for the iPad and .99Mbps for Windows laptops.

This appears to be an issue with the iPad and hot spots and not Wi-Fi in general since our iPad speeds on our home Wi-Fi were equivalent to other devices. When we tested the iPad on our FiOS powered Wi-Fi connection, we received the full 25 Mbps of available download speed on every test, wrote Piecyk.
post #2 of 27
Dang. Was looking forward to another GSM carrier in the US with iPhone...

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T-Mobile confirmed the mysterious iPhone charge cable it will begin selling in the U.S. is for roaming European customers. Also, Apple released yet another build of Mac OS X 10.6.5, and, finally, a new report alleges the iPad performs better on a home Wi-Fi access point than a 4G hotspot.

T-Mobile

After reports of T-Mobile selling an iPod and iPhone charge cable emerged Friday, a T-Mobile spokesperson told BGR that the cable is intended for subscribers using unlocked iPhones and European T-Mobile customers roaming in the U.S., quelling rumors that the cable indicated T-Mobile might begin offering the iPhone stateside.

"Select T-Mobile stores will soon begin carrying iPod/iPhone charge and Sync cables to support customers who may be using an unlocked iPhone or are traveling from outside the United States and using an iPhone while roaming on our network. T-Mobile carries the iPhone in Europe, so many people traveling to the U.S. roam on our network with their iPhones," said the T-Mobile spokesperson.

T-Mobile recently lost iPhone exclusivity on its home turf of Germany, with O2 and Vodafone offering the iPhone as of the end of October. In addition, German customers can now purchase an unlocked, contract-free iPhone directly from Apple.

Earlier this week, Deutsche Telekom Chief Executive Rene Obermann blamed disappointing growth from its American subsidiary T-Mobile on the lack of the iPhone. T-Mobile, which is the smallest of the 4 major carriers in the U.S., could face a bigger threat from the iPhone if it comes to Verizon Wireless next year as expected.

Mac OS X 10.6.5

Apple issued a beta of the forthcoming Mac OS X 10.6.5 update to developers Friday. The beta, labeled build 10H571, comes 5 days after Apple released an internal "pre-release build."

According to the release notes, developers who installed Thursday's Mac OS X 10.6.6 beta will need to revert to 10.6.0-10.6.4 in order to install the latest 10.6.5 build. Focus areas for the build are: 3D Graphics, Printing, QuickTime, Time Machine and USB Devices.

The public release of Mac OS X 10.6.5, which is required to take full advantage of the soon-to-be-released iOS 4.2, is expected to come soon. iOS 4.2 is scheduled for a November release.

iPad

BTIG Research analyst Walter Piecyk claims the iPad's average download speeds using 4G hotspot devices are significantly lower than Windows laptops or when connected to typical Wi-Fi access points, John Paczkowski of Digital Daily reports.

The analyst tested the iPad's download speeds using hotspot devices, including Clear's iSpot, which is designed specifically for iOS devices, across several 4G and 3G networks. According to the research report, the iPad averaged download speeds of 2.53Mbps. In comparison, Windows laptops averaged download speeds of 5.2Mbps across three of the same hotspot devices. On hotspot devices using 3G networks, the difference between Windows laptops and the iPad narrowed, with average download speeds of .89Mbps for the iPad and .99Mbps for Windows laptops.

This appears to be an issue with the iPad and hot spots and not Wi-Fi in general since our iPad speeds on our home Wi-Fi were equivalent to other devices. When we tested the iPad on our FiOS powered Wi-Fi connection, we received the full 25 Mbps of available download speed on every test, wrote Piecyk.
post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

Dang. Was looking forward to another GSM carrier in the US with iPhone...

Who knows, maybe Apple will introduce a CDMA iphone and a iphone that is compatible with T-mobile too.
post #5 of 27
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Who knows, maybe Apple will introduce a CDMA iphone and a iphone that is compatible with T-mobile too.

Keep on dreaming.

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post #6 of 27
T-Mobile already carry the iPhone in a few countries and provide accessories for it - so why should the appearance of these accessories in countries where the phone isn't officially supported by such big news?

There's a world outside the USA, and the iPhone is on multiple carriers in most of it. here in the UK we've got t-mobile, orange, 02, tesco mobile, vodaphone and others who carry the phone.
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Originally Posted by mgl323 View Post

Who knows, maybe Apple will introduce a CDMA iphone and a iphone that is compatible with T-mobile too.

The iPhone is already compatible with t-mobile.
post #8 of 27
Somewhat. It would need a new chip to access T-Mobile's 3G frequency though.
post #9 of 27
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Originally Posted by BenRoethig View Post

Somewhat. It would need a new chip to access T-Mobile's 3G frequency though.

The unlocked iPad would have been a great place to include the UMTS frequency band for T-Mobile USA. It wouldnt have required any real cost for shrinkage or would be less likely to impact any contractual obligations with AT&T.

The fact that it wasnt included told me that AT&T would probably have exclusivity for the iPhone 4. I wonder what 2010 will bring. These rumors about a CDMA iPhone seem too many to ignore. I think its going to happen in 2010 and that could mean T-Mobile USA getting included in that list as it wouldnt be much effort on Apples part.
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post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

Dang. Was looking forward to another GSM carrier in the US with iPhone...

Just use it on T-Mobile NOW.

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Originally Posted by mgl323 View Post

Who knows, maybe Apple will introduce a CDMA iphone and a iphone that is compatible with T-mobile too.

Just use it on T-Mobile NOW.
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Just use it on T-Mobile NOW.

The iPhone 4 doesn't support the 1700Mhz frequency band used by T-Mobile USA's 3G service. If you're happy with 2G speeds, go for it.

Penta-band modems are becoming available so there's no reason why the next iPhone won't support T-Mobile's 3G network though.
post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by RichL View Post

The iPhone 4 doesn't support the 1700Mhz frequency band used by T-Mobile USA's 3G service.

So? The probability that he lives anywhere near 3G is low enough for that not to matter. It works on T-Mobile. That's what counts.

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...there's no reason why the next iPhone won't support T-Mobile's 3G network though.

Sure there is. The same reasons that the past four models haven't supported it: There's no legitimate reason to do so.
post #13 of 27
Never mind iPad download speeds, what about iPad syncing speeds... 14 hours now, and climbing.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread....t=120&tstart=0

Never seen an article here about this problem...

and

http://peter.vdhamer.com/2010/08/15/...-backup-issue/

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post #14 of 27
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Originally Posted by Zoolook View Post

Never mind iPad download speeds, what about iPad syncing speeds... 14 hours now, and climbing.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread....t=120&tstart=0

Never seen an article here about this problem...

and

http://peter.vdhamer.com/2010/08/15/...-backup-issue/

You guys are doing something strange. My 32GB iPad is about 60% full. Backup usually takes a couple of minutes. On very rare occasions, it stretches out to 15 minutes or so, but never an hour or more. It doesn't help that people are going around spreading bad information, such as one guy saying "remove Zinio." You don't have to remove Zinio. If he checked the prefs for that app, he'd find there's an option to disable backup of the magazine files.
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Originally Posted by Kolchak View Post

You guys are doing something strange. My 32GB iPad is about 60% full. Backup usually takes a couple of minutes. On very rare occasions, it stretches out to 15 minutes or so, but never an hour or more. It doesn't help that people are going around spreading bad information, such as one guy saying "remove Zinio." You don't have to remove Zinio. If he checked the prefs for that app, he'd find there's an option to disable backup of the magazine files.

You're half right. I can backup 2- GBs of photos and movies in about 30 mins - not bad for the Mac Mini. However, try downloading

- Ars Technica App
- WSJ
- Wired
- Equire
- NY Times App

Load up a couple of issues and plug in. It'll take at least 10 - 12 hours, and you can't disable backup in any of those apps. The issue is that tiny files, 4k in size or so, are written, confirmed and then written again as a .info file on the Mac. So yesterday my iPad backed up 30,900 files, the vast majority of which were 4kb files. It backs up about 50 - 60 files per minute (write file, verify, write-back), which gives you about 9 hours. Plus the really large files (I had 4 HD TV shows to write back) racks it up to 10 hours or so.

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post #16 of 27
T-Mobile

After reports of T-Mobile selling an iPod and iPhone charge cable emerged Friday, a T-Mobile spokesperson told BGR that the cable is intended for subscribers using unlocked iPhones and European T-Mobile customers roaming in the U.S., quelling rumors that the cable indicated T-Mobile might begin offering the iPhone stateside.

"Select T-Mobile stores will soon begin carrying iPod/iPhone charge and Sync cables to support customers who may be using an unlocked iPhone or are traveling from outside the United States and using an iPhone while roaming on our network. T-Mobile carries the iPhone in Europe, so many people traveling to the U.S. roam on our network with their iPhones," said the T-Mobile spokesperson.


THIS quite frankly is the lamest of lame marketing ploy. We're gonna sell it because folks from Europe come to the states and will look for a T-Mumble store to buy a cable for their iPhone??? Are these guys really this stupid?? And average folks that have an unlocked iPhone are going to venture into a T-Mumble store for an iPhone cable.... truly stupid....

They'll make a good marketing partner when Nokia snatches them up to dump their handset inventory before closing it...
post #17 of 27
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The iPhone is already compatible with t-mobile.

No it's not. T-Mobile's GSM is a different frequency than AT&T's....Nice try though. Thanks for playing
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by Zoolook View Post

Never mind iPad download speeds, what about iPad syncing speeds... 14 hours now, and climbing.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread....t=120&tstart=0

Never seen an article here about this problem...

and

http://peter.vdhamer.com/2010/08/15/...-backup-issue/

What the hell are you backing up? The library of congress?
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by coolcat View Post

No it's not. T-Mobile's GSM is a different frequency than AT&T's....Nice try though. Thanks for playing

The iPhone’s GSM is fully compatible with T-Mobile USA’s network. This is how people have been using unlocked iPhones on T-Mobile USA since 2007. It’s T-Mobile USA’s UMTS AWS 1700MHz band for ‘3G’ that isn’t compatible.

BTW, it has no barring on what frequencies one carrier has or doesn’t have, it has to do with what the handset has. The current iPhone has 4 GSM bands and 5 UMTS bands.
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post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by Zoolook View Post

You're half right. I can backup 2- GBs of photos and movies in about 30 mins - not bad for the Mac Mini. However, try downloading

- Ars Technica App
- WSJ
- Wired
- Equire
- NY Times App

Load up a couple of issues and plug in. It'll take at least 10 - 12 hours, and you can't disable backup in any of those apps. The issue is that tiny files, 4k in size or so, are written, confirmed and then written again as a .info file on the Mac. So yesterday my iPad backed up 30,900 files, the vast majority of which were 4kb files. It backs up about 50 - 60 files per minute (write file, verify, write-back), which gives you about 9 hours. Plus the really large files (I had 4 HD TV shows to write back) racks it up to 10 hours or so.

Sounds like your problem isn't really that the syncing is slow, it's that those app writers didn't know what the hell they were doing and broke up their data unnecessarily. Don't blame Apple because these dummies decided to store everything in 4k files instead of larger files or even zipped archives. A badly written app on any OS can severely impact performance.

BTW, I do have the Times app, so that figures in my original backup figure.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by coolcat View Post

No it's not. T-Mobile's GSM is a different frequency than AT&T's....Nice try though. Thanks for playing

No, it's not. T-Mobile's GSM works perfectly with AT&T's. 3G is the only difference. Nice try, though. Thanks for playing.
post #22 of 27
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Originally Posted by coolcat View Post

No it's not. T-Mobile's GSM is a different frequency than AT&T's....Nice try though. Thanks for playing

Ermmm - care to explain how t-mobile carry the phone in several european countries then? I wasn't talking about the US network, which I am told will support my t-mobile iPhone when abroad in any case.
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Bwinski View Post

T-Mobile

After reports of T-Mobile selling an iPod and iPhone charge cable emerged Friday, a T-Mobile spokesperson told BGR that the cable is intended for subscribers using unlocked iPhones and European T-Mobile customers roaming in the U.S., quelling rumors that the cable indicated T-Mobile might begin offering the iPhone stateside.

"Select T-Mobile stores will soon begin carrying iPod/iPhone charge and Sync cables to support customers who may be using an unlocked iPhone or are traveling from outside the United States and using an iPhone while roaming on our network. T-Mobile carries the iPhone in Europe, so many people traveling to the U.S. roam on our network with their iPhones," said the T-Mobile spokesperson.


THIS quite frankly is the lamest of lame marketing ploy. We're gonna sell it because folks from Europe come to the states and will look for a T-Mumble store to buy a cable for their iPhone??? Are these guys really this stupid?? And average folks that have an unlocked iPhone are going to venture into a T-Mumble store for an iPhone cable.... truly stupid....

They'll make a good marketing partner when Nokia snatches them up to dump their handset inventory before closing it...


Once again a completely US centric attitude. T-Mobile are one of the largest cell phone networks in Europe (higher population, more wealth than the US), now partnered with orange. Their service, signal and 3G is exceptional, and they carry the iPhone. They're going nowhere. Many hardware and music shops sell iPhone sync cables - over here in the UK, HMV carry a range, but they don't sell the iPhone. This really is a non-story and your post is a massive over reaction. If t-mobile provide this product to the majority of their customers across Europe, why not just carry the same line in the US stores?
post #24 of 27
that's just marketing BS...there are no true 4G speeds in the U.S., everything they are claiming are 4G spots are really 3G.. there is nothing in the U.S. that uses a true 4G bandwidth..

so if you believe t-mobile, sprint, of all places has 4G , then their are gullible enough to by non-iphone wannabes..

really so next year is sprint/mobile going to claim they have 5G speeds? then the next year 6G? lol..seriously.
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that's just marketing BS...there are no true 4G speeds in the U.S., everything they are claiming are 4G spots are really 3G.. there is nothing in the U.S. that uses a true 4G bandwidth.

There is no true ‘4G’ or ‘3G’ speeds, there is only ‘4G’ and ‘3G’ as defined by different organizations that you may or may not adhere to, hence the completely legitimate use by anyone for their specific marketing needs as they can define ‘4G’ and ‘3G’ as they wish just you, I and others have defined them as we wish.
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post #26 of 27
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The public release of Mac OS X 10.6.5, which is required to take full advantage of the soon-to-be-released iOS 4.2, is expected to come soon. iOS 4.2 is scheduled for a November release.


As anyone with a Windows computer knows, the second Tuesday of every month is Patch Day for Microsoft, i.e. the day on which all the non-urgent updates are issued for Windows, all supported versions of Windows, from Win XP to Win Vista and Win 7.

All the updates are issued on the same day so that corporate IT can set aside a day, once a month, to update every computer on a network, which disrupts regular work from employees far less than issuing updates as they become ready, any day of the month.

It would seem that Apple is adopting the same schedule, unless they prefer late Monday afternoon, just so that it doesn't coincide with Patch Tuesday...


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I am also looking forward for new version of it.
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