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you know the rest.

Secular-Progressives are in total meltdown and denial concerning the reasons for the GOP's landslide victory on Tuesday. In fact, it seems that some are actually arguing that it wasn't a huge victory for the GOP at all:

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First, the brutality was not evenly spread. Progressives fared pretty well, while Blue Dogs and New Democrats bore the brunt of the losses. The Congressional Progressive Caucus lost only three of their 76 House members: Reps. John Hall of New York, Phil Hare of Illinois, and Alan Grayson of Florida. By contrast, it looks as though the Blue Dog Coalition will lose 30 of its 55 members and the New Democrats will lose 27 of their 69 members. This will make progressives a much larger portion of the Democratic Caucus, with almost 40% of the Democrats in the House and roughly three times as many members as the remaining Blue Dogs.

They were voted out because they voted for secular-progressive-liberal-quasisocialist policies! Hello? The progressives survived mostly because they were entrenched, their opponents were not strong, or they were in extremely safe dem districts.

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It’s clear that the economy-- specifically unemployment-- was the major factor. With the unemployment rate hovering just under 10% and no light at the end of the tunnel, neither the Administration nor Congressional Democrats managed to clearly describe their plan for putting Americans back to work. Republicans were even more incoherent, but they could run against the failure, arguing Democrats had run up deficits without creating jobs.

Wow...where to begin

1. Of course it was the economy. Duh. That doesn't mean it excuses the loss or that the Dems had no control of what happened.

2. Yeah...it's just that you didn't describe it well enough. It's not that it's been prohibitively expensive, intrusive and totally ineffective or anything. Shit!

3. They sounded pretty coherent to me. They ran on repealing Obamacare, extending the tax cuts, cutting the deficit and reducing spending/growth of government.

4. The Democrats DID run up deficits without creating jobs. Has the author noticed that the Dems have controlled Congress for 4 years, and have controlled both branches of government for 2 years?

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In addition, the turnout and voting patterns strongly suggest that a degree of demoralization among the Democratic base played a significant role in the outcomes.

So? Perhaps they were demoralized because they knew the Dems failed miserably? Nah...can't be that.

Now, here is the "plan" to return progressives to power and enact their agenda:

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1.\tFix funding mechanisms for progressive infrastructure.
As delightful as it is begging rich people for money all of the time, it’s not a sustainable model--and it has some pretty serious drawbacks when income inequality is a big problem. Instead we need to focus on creating virtuous cycles where our success leads to increased capacity and reliable funding streams.

Wait, I thought the GOP was the party of the rich and Dems were the party of the little guy? Oh, and don't cross your fingers on success. When Americans realize what the term "progressive" means in a political context (that is, beyond the dictionary definition), they don't like it much in most places.

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Make it easier for our Congressional allies to do the progressive things we want them to do.
Right now there are serious capacity problems in Congress that make what we want very hard for even the best-intentioned members and staff to do. Staffers are profoundly overworked......

....There used to be internal think tanks in Congress (such as the Democratic Study Group) to do some of the heavy lifting and organizing by analyzing legislation, creating shared talking points, and driving process reforms. Gingrich defunded them after the 1994 election to consolidate more power in the Speaker’s office while crippling Democrats...

LOL. Did someone forget that they had all the power for four years, including a speaking that ruled with an iron fist? Oh, and ....they brought up Gingrich!

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3.\tChange the rules when they’re rigged against us.
Filibuster abuse crippled the Senate, making it impossible to do the things necessary to aggressively create jobs, address climate change, and even fill key positions in the Administration and the courts. The country is suffering as a result. Fix the damned rule.

*Exception: Fix the rule unless it's used against judicial nominees of a Republican president.

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Progressives are incredibly reliant on the Internet as the backbone of our communications infrastructure, but without net neutrality the phone companies and the cable companies are free to turn off DailyKos while letting you see unlimited amounts of streaming Fox News.

Oh my God.

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5.\tFix the way we do campaigns.
We need to be strategic and data-driven. Right now we are rarely either.

Who IS this woman...Donna Brazille?

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4.\tGet incentives right.
Progressives have gotten better about rewarding our friends and punishing our enemies, but if voting against key Democratic initiatives....

O thought Obama got universally hammered for framing it like that?

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Start treating politics as the team sport that it is.
We need to stop pretending that we can each focus on our own siloed issue and ignore the rest of the progressive coalition. Unless we build the capacity of the progressive coalition as a whole, we won’t win anything big.

Yes, excellent idea. Let's put on our Team Red and Team Blue jerseys and GO FULL RETARD. Let's tailgate!

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7.\tHelp pick the right team captains.

8.\tReward team players.

9.\tGrow the farm team.
We need to nurture progressives who are willing to be bold and engage—whether they win or lose.

One would think she'd have realized by now how insanely wrongheaded her analogy is....

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Expand the definition of engagement.
10.\tFind ways to engage people where they are, including online.
While Democrats are out of power in the House, there will be an opportunity to help some of them better reach their audiences via new methods. How might they better use Facebook? Twitter?...

That's the ticket! Let's use EMAIL and SOCIAL NETWORKING. This is starting to sound like one of my in-services on technology in education. You mean I can use Outlook to create distribution lists!?!?!?

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Focus on the things that don’t require Congress to pass laws.

....12.\tPressure the Administration to act on things it can do unilaterally.
The Obama Administration can do a whole lot by executive order, administrative rule-making, and strategic appointments.

So basically, ignore the will of the American people. More Czars, anyone?

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They could, for instance, end Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell,

No, they can't...actually.

And now, for my very favorite part of her 13 point plan:

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13.\tElevate a clear progressive message.
The American people are actually pretty progressive:

No, they are not . That is 100% totally wrong. The American people are--by all objective measures--- actually pretty conservative.


Don't even get me started on this guy.
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From Slate: Pelosi's Triumph - Democrats didn't lose the battle of 2010. They won it.

Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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Well. Someone's in denial alright!
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Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post

you know the rest.

Secular-Progressives are in total meltdown and denial concerning the reasons for the GOP's landslide victory on Tuesday. In fact, it seems that some are actually arguing that it wasn't a huge victory for the GOP at all:



They were voted out because they voted for secular-progressive-liberal-quasisocialist policies! Hello? The progressives survived mostly because they were entrenched, their opponents were not strong, or they were in extremely safe dem districts.



Wow...where to begin

1. Of course it was the economy. Duh. That doesn't mean it excuses the loss or that the Dems had no control of what happened.

2. Yeah...it's just that you didn't describe it well enough. It's not that it's been prohibitively expensive, intrusive and totally ineffective or anything. Shit!

3. They sounded pretty coherent to me. They ran on repealing Obamacare, extending the tax cuts, cutting the deficit and reducing spending/growth of government.

4. The Democrats DID run up deficits without creating jobs. Has the author noticed that the Dems have controlled Congress for 4 years, and have controlled both branches of government for 2 years?



So? Perhaps they were demoralized because they knew the Dems failed miserably? Nah...can't be that.

Now, here is the "plan" to return progressives to power and enact their agenda:



Wait, I thought the GOP was the party of the rich and Dems were the party of the little guy? Oh, and don't cross your fingers on success. When Americans realize what the term "progressive" means in a political context (that is, beyond the dictionary definition), they don't like it much in most places.



LOL. Did someone forget that they had all the power for four years, including a speaking that ruled with an iron fist? Oh, and ....they brought up Gingrich!



*Exception: Fix the rule unless it's used against judicial nominees of a Republican president.



Oh my God.



Who IS this woman...Donna Brazille?



O thought Obama got universally hammered for framing it like that?



Yes, excellent idea. Let's put on our Team Red and Team Blue jerseys and GO FULL RETARD. Let's tailgate!



One would think she'd have realized by now how insanely wrongheaded her analogy is....



That's the ticket! Let's use EMAIL and SOCIAL NETWORKING. This is starting to sound like one of my in-services on technology in education. You mean I can use Outlook to create distribution lists!?!?!?



So basically, ignore the will of the American people. More Czars, anyone?



No, they can't...actually.

And now, for my very favorite part of her 13 point plan:



No, they are not . That is 100% totally wrong. The American people are--by all objective measures--- actually pretty conservative.


Don't even get me started on this guy.

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In fact, it seems that some are actually arguing that it wasn't a huge victory for the GOP at all:

Now let's see trumpy begins by claiming they won just enough to not be responsible for anything and now his buddie SDW claims that the victory was a landslide!

It wasn't a huge victory. If it had been they'd have won the Senate as well and their popularity would be surging in the polls. That ain't happening.
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It wasn't a huge victory.

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Well. Someone's in denial alright!

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I knew the Republican in sheep's clothing would chime in at some point.

But maybe he's in denial about that. Just another splinter of the same brand.
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I knew the Republican in sheep's clothing would chime in at some point.

But maybe he's in denial about that. Just another splinter of the same brand.



In addition to being in denial and making up for his lackluster prognostication skills with side-stepping and dodging skills, now jimmac is speaking in riddles. Ahhh...all is right with the world.

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Another moron in denial. I'm not doing this to tweak any of my liberal friends (and I have quite a few). I just am astounded at the utter, blind denial. They rammed through a trillion dollar healthcare bill with zero bipartisan support, through parliamentary tricks, and without reading it, They spent another TRILL on the useless stimulus. They insulted grass roots opposition by calling it "astroturf." They had the same people that caused the financial meltdown write the legislation that would "fix" the system. They started tearing apart the founding ideals of this country.

And then they got their asses handed to them at the polls--by some of the same people that elected them last time (independents and moderates). That's what happened. It cannot be changed.
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Now let's see trumpy begins by claiming they won just enough to not be responsible for anything and now his buddie SDW claims that the victory was a landslide!

It wasn't a huge victory. If it had been they'd have won the Senate as well and their popularity would be surging in the polls. That ain't happening.

1. They will be responsible for what they do, and what they don't do--but is possible to achieve. You're already trying to raise expectations so you can claim they failed a few years from now.

2. It was a landslide and a huge victory by any objective standard. The Republicans scored the largest victory they've had in 70 years. An entire generation of Democrats was wiped out, including the vast majority of the Rahm Emmanuel-trained freshman class. They lost moderates and independents by a huge margin.

It was a total and complete repudiation of the Obama/Pelosi agenda. Had the Tea Party nominated better candidates in Delaware and Nevada, and had a handful of extremely close races in liberal states flipped by a point or two, the Senate would have gone Republican too. They almost pulled off wins in California (Boxer seat), Washington (Murray seat), West Virginia (Byrd seat) and Nevada...all liberal strongholds to say the least.

Jimmac, to understand what happened Tuesday, one has to understand that the GOP taking 6 Senate seats and 64-69 House seats was UNTHINKABLE even 6 months ago. I understand you must be angry and perplexed at your party's crushing defeat, but at least be honest about what happened and how big a deal it is. At least step back and see what the GOP actually does before indicting them. At least refrain from the cheap and intellectually dishonest tactic of making it seem like the GOP has total control, so you can blame them for gridlock later.

In 2006 I posted a thread titled "Congratulations to the Democrats" after their win. I wished them well, and hoped they wouldn't over-reach. In other words, I tried to have some class. It would be nice if you could find some.
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Still looking for some class, eh jimmac?
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For a quick comparison point the Democrats did not pick 60 seats TOTAL in the House even when combining 2006 and 2008 including the election of that once in a generation, racial healing, stop the ocean levels from rising, heal the planet candidate, Senator and now President Obama.

They gained a total of 54 seats across those two elections. They gave back 61 in this last election which means that since 2006, they are now at a net loss.

They didn't just lose the House. They lost all the ground they had gained in the last three cycles.

The best part though is that even with these losses, their leadership still wants to stick around.

Talk about denial.

Speaker Pelosi, your party just lost 61-65 seats (depending upon how the last few go.) It is the biggest reversal in 70 years and makes 1994 pale in comparison, and your solution is, keep to the same path and keep doing the same thing!

Please follow that advice Democrats. The American electorate is uninformed, scared, stupid, ignorant and something you should label your enemies. Please keep believing and repeating this until 2012 is over.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

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In addition to being in denial and making up for his lackluster prognostication skills with side-stepping and dodging skills, now jimmac is speaking in riddles. Ahhh...all is right with the world.

Haven't you heard? trumpy and SDW both say that the GOP victory was big unless you talk about responsibility for things. Then it's they have just enough power.

If it had really been big then they would have won the Senate as well ( which by the way in a previous thread I said they might get the House but I doubted the Senate ).

They act like they've already won the Whitehouse back but I've got to tell you exit polls still show the voters disliking the Republicans almost ( one percentage point difference ) as much as the Democrats. Alot can happen in two years and I really don't see this as a shoe in or that all the chickens have been counted just yet.
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Still looking for some class, eh jimmac?

I'm looking for some truth.
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1. They will be responsible for what they do, and what they don't do--but is possible to achieve. You're already trying to raise expectations so you can claim they failed a few years from now.

2. It was a landslide and a huge victory by any objective standard. The Republicans scored the largest victory they've had in 70 years. An entire generation of Democrats was wiped out, including the vast majority of the Rahm Emmanuel-trained freshman class. They lost moderates and independents by a huge margin.

It was a total and complete repudiation of the Obama/Pelosi agenda. Had the Tea Party nominated better candidates in Delaware and Nevada, and had a handful of extremely close races in liberal states flipped by a point or two, the Senate would have gone Republican too. They almost pulled off wins in California (Boxer seat), Washington (Murray seat), West Virginia (Byrd seat) and Nevada...all liberal strongholds to say the least.

Jimmac, to understand what happened Tuesday, one has to understand that the GOP taking 6 Senate seats and 64-69 House seats was UNTHINKABLE even 6 months ago. I understand you must be angry and perplexed at your party's crushing defeat, but at least be honest about what happened and how big a deal it is. At least step back and see what the GOP actually does before indicting them. At least refrain from the cheap and intellectually dishonest tactic of making it seem like the GOP has total control, so you can blame them for gridlock later.

In 2006 I posted a thread titled "Congratulations to the Democrats" after their win. I wished them well, and hoped they wouldn't over-reach. In other words, I tried to have some class. It would be nice if you could find some.

You're one to talk about dishonesty.

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They will be responsible for what they do, and what they don't do--but is possible to achieve. You're already trying to raise expectations so you can claim they failed a few years from now.

I have all the confidence in the world that they can do that one their own.
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Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.

(I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude.)

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