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I can't see Apple devoting the resources necessary to fighting MS Office on Windows just because PC users are buying the iPad.
Corporate sales aren't a really big target for Apple, Period.

Who said anything about corporate sales?
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post #82 of 117
I don't see Apple committing to maintain two separate iWork codebases unless they plan to take a significant share of the Windows office productivity market. You can't do that without corporate sales.

Otherwise, Apple is just fighting a $114. copy of MS Office for Home and Student (Amazon), with a $79. copy of iWork. To what end?
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post #83 of 117
Dear Apple,
I beg your explanations and any possible tutorials on how to upload PDF file to iWork.com.


P.S. Not a problem in the least to write home-brew plugin for that. Just allow plugins.

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post #84 of 117
The Mexico Best Buy is announcing iWork '11 available February 19th.
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Got a screenshot?
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post #86 of 117
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Got a screenshot?

9to5Mac does.

http://www.9to5mac.com/52128/iwork-1...est-buy-mexico

It's obviously a placeholder image.

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post #87 of 117
So, uh. Whatever happened to iWork 11?

Maybe we should watch for iWork 12?
post #88 of 117
We have updates to the MacBook line, FaceTime and a completely new IO standard, with rumours or confirmation of updates to the iPad, iPhone, all the desktop lines, Final Cut, MobileMe and Mac OS Lion.

I think Cupertino might have forgotten they also make a productivity suite.
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post #89 of 117
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I think Cupertino might have forgotten they also make a productivity suite.

Productivity suite? Next you'll be telling me that Apple makes a tiny, headless desktop and promised us resolution independence four years ago!

Such nonsense.

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post #90 of 117
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PowerPoint 2010 has improved a lot, in fact from 2007 it has been trying to mimic or copy Keynote is every areas. However Keynotes 09 is still better then 2010. And 2011 may be even better

I think Pages and Word are two different type of Word Processing Apps. Pages is more about design and presentation of the document. And Word is... arh... i dont know, more like an Type Writing with a Screen. Honestly my usage will never use the full limit of Word 's full functionality. I only remember the pain and frustration of Wanting to throw my Computer into the trash. Trying to Line up Graphics, Foot notes etc. Then i try Pages on Mac, although i have been using Keynotes, I have never used pages before because i thought it was like toys and not for true Office Work. It turns out i was wrong. Using iWork is such a present experience. Layout would just work, default template were beautiful. The same goes for Pages.

Till today i still dont know what is the TRUE meaning of spreadsheet. The usage that people said Excel is better then Numbers sounds very Database work like to me.

Numbers is absolute crap compared to Excel.
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So, uh. Whatever happened to iWork 11?

Indeed. Nothing yet.
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Numbers is absolute crap compared to Excel.

I disagree - to a point. Numbers isn't as capable as Excel in terms of the amount of data it processes and the number of function it supports. However, for the vast majority of number crunchers, I think Numbers is adequate. It also, I think, makes far better looking reports and charts than Excel and I've switched over for some of high-level reporting (and have had quite a few comments about how great my charts look).

I will agree that it's not quite there yet as a replacement for Excel, not as the other iWork apps are. I almost never use Word anymore as Pages is much easier to use and creates better looking documents, and I haven't touched PowerPoint in years aside from one occasion where I needed to collaborate with a few Windows folk for a presentation. On that occasion I was reminded at just how awful it is. I felt as though I had my hands tied behind my back and was forced to type with my nose. That is how cumbersome I find PowerPoint to be in comparison to Keynote.
post #93 of 117
The dirty little secret of Excel is that in truth it's the world's most complicated table-maker. I can't recall the last time anyone sent me an Excel spreadsheet (and I get plenty of them) that actually included a formula. The vast majority of the time they are simple tables, which could have been made in any word processor (and probably much better).

Yes, for real spreadsheet jocks, Excel is still the gold standard. So what percentage of Excel users are real spreadsheet jocks? I'd be surprised if it was more than the low single digits.
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The dirty little secret of Excel is that in truth it's the world's most complicated table-maker. I can't recall the last time anyone sent me an Excel spreadsheet (and I get plenty of them) that actually included a formula. The vast majority of the time they are simple tables, which could have been made in any word processor (and probably much better).

Yes, for real spreadsheet jocks, Excel is still the gold standard. So what percentage of Excel users are real spreadsheet jocks? I'd be surprised if it was more than the low single digits.

Very low single digits.

I worked for 8 years as an analyst at a Fortune 100 company (at the time 50,000+ employees, of which 70+% had at least a Master’s degree). Of that 2,000 were analysts of one kind or another. The other 48k used Excel as you indicate, a glorified table maker.

Of the analysts, at least half knew enough about formulas to get most of their work done; but they had no checks and balances in place, could not trouble shoot spreadsheets that got out of hand, etc. Of the analysts about 50 knew how to construct workable, sustainable data documents.

A few of us used Excel in such a way that we developed powerful spreadsheets so they 1) worked as interfaces with the mainframe (updated with VBA accessing), 2) calculated huge amounts on data real time, 3) were easily maintainable, 4) had built in error checking, troubleshooting, and 5) provided a detailed process for how everything worked, including all VBA. My last two years were spent training other analysts to move in that direction. And these were top of the line people in a well educated company.
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Very low single digits.

I worked for 8 years as an analyst at a Fortune 100 company (at the time 50,000+ employees, of which 70+% had at least a Master’s degree). Of that 2,000 were analysts of one kind or another. The other 48k used Excel as you indicate, a glorified table maker.

Of the analysts, at least half knew enough about formulas to get most of their work done; but they had no checks and balances in place, could not trouble shoot spreadsheets that got out of hand, etc. Of the analysts about 50 knew how to construct workable, sustainable data documents.

A few of us used Excel in such a way that we developed powerful spreadsheets so they 1) worked as interfaces with the mainframe (updated with VBA accessing), 2) calculated huge amounts on data real time, 3) were easily maintainable, 4) had built in error checking, troubleshooting, and 5) provided a detailed process for how everything worked, including all VBA. My last two years were spent training other analysts to move in that direction. And these were top of the line people in a well educated company.

You speak truth. Excel has become one of my main pet peeves. It's thought to be so indispensable, but for most users, it's virtually useless except to open all of the other utterly inappropriate Excel files created by people who should be using something else to make their tables. It is massively overburdened with features that hardly anyone uses; and yet, Excel files are ubiquitous. Most of them look like crap, besides. This is also one of my complaints about Word. Almost everyone would benefit from simpler tools that produce better results for the tasks they actually face.
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I disagree - to a point. Numbers isn't as capable as Excel in terms of the amount of data it processes and the number of function it supports. ...

Just out of curiosity, is there an accepted wisdom in terms of the maximum number of rows that should be used/created in a Numbers file?
post #97 of 117
Okay, so this wait is getting ridiculous.
At this point, I think that iWork '11/'12 must somehow hook into the new MobileMe upgrade or have new iOS5 compatibility.

This means we'll probably be waiting for iWork for another month at least.
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post #98 of 117
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Okay, so this wait is getting ridiculous.

So buy something else? What's wrong with iWork '09?

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So buy something else? What's wrong with iWork '09?

It's like buying a used car?
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post #100 of 117
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It's like buying a used car?

It's like buying a brand new 2009 model in 2011. Exact same lifespan as any other 2009 model.

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post #101 of 117
Nothing's 'wrong' with iWork '09. I use it everyday.

But with iWork, Apple committed to serving the consumer/SOHO productivity market. Just like their hardware lines, there's nothing wrong with asking that they regularly continue to improve the product as time goes on.
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post #102 of 117
With next to no real technical knowledge to back this up, my guess on what's holding it back is that they're caught with a new software package that has some Lion-esque features (like Lion's version of fullscreen), while everyone's still on Snow Leopard. Although it's without a doubt that they would have thought of this kind of timing-issue long ago, maybe they've decided to have it more integrated with Lion than initially planned, and a simple software update for Lion users later in the summer would mean holding back on too many interface changes for an initial Snow Leopard-based release.

Either that or we'll see it within the next two or so months. They'll probably wait to have it announced at their next event/keynote though, right? I don't quite see it just popping up in the app store.
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They'll probably wait to have it announced at their next event/keynote though, right?

No reason to do so.

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I don't quite see it just popping up in the app store.

I do.

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post #104 of 117
So I wonder how that iWork '12 is coming along...
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My guess iWork will be released alongside the new "MobileMe"; tighter integration with the service. Maybe synced with iOS5 release... who knows
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My guess iWork will be released alongside the new "MobileMe"; tighter integration with the service. Maybe synced with iOS5 release... who knows

Yeah whatever happened to iWork.com? Is it still in beta? Along the lines of your guess, they are probably going to integrate. Though iWork is meant for business, I cannot see Apple charging for the service (once MobileMe goes free) as I imagine the user base being very small when you can just get a Google account for free and use Google Docs.
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Though iWork is meant for business, I cannot see Apple charging for the service (once MobileMe goes free) as I imagine the user base being very small when you can just get a Google account for free and use Google Docs.

Businesses refuse to use Google Docs. They'd use iWork simply because it would BE paid.

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post #108 of 117
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Businesses refuse to use Google Docs. They'd use iWork simply because it would BE paid.

I think it just depends on their budget. My production company would not be able to afford an iWork.com account, especially if it were $99 per user plus the cost of iWork itself.
post #109 of 117
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I think it just depends on their budget. My production company would not be able to afford an iWork.com account, especially if it were $99 per user plus the cost of iWork itself.

The new MobileMe would benefit from (and therefore might have) business accounts if iWork integration is in there. Heck, it would benefit from them even if it isn't. We could hope for that.

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post #110 of 117
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The new MobileMe would benefit from (and therefore might have) business accounts if iWork integration is in there. Heck, it would benefit from them even if it isn't. We could hope for that.

Agreed. Interesting too that the long promo has ended for both iWork and for MobileMe, and on the same day even.
post #111 of 117
So where is it?!?!!? My current iWork apps are buggy and and I need new ones!
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post #112 of 117
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So where is it?!?!!? My current iWork apps are buggy and and I need new ones!

"Buggy" how? Mine work perfectly fine.

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"Buggy" how? Mine work perfectly fine.

Not so much buggy as severely lacking in features. No R1C1 addressing, no named ranges, missing builtin functions.
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Not so much buggy as severely lacking in features. No R1C1 addressing, no named ranges, missing builtin functions.

Yup and Keynote needs a few more spiffy features. I'm hoping that now the iWork for Lion has leveraged the new stuff we can get a "feature" release next year.

I'd like to see the Inspector turn into a Pop Over in Lion that can fade away in seconds or be anchored until it's closed.

I'd like to see AV Foundation used so that I can add more audio/video content to documents.
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post #115 of 117
Wow I really can't wait for iWork 11, I love so much Pages. it works so good and has such amazing templates. Teachers give me A+ Just because of the design They think I'm making it myself with Photoshop and such.. Yeah RIGHT.
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Pages needs voice dictation as a standard feature. I don't do a lot of presentations, so I have no idea what Keynote needs.

Numbers stands out as the only member of the suite that seems underpowered, but that's a personal opinion.

In terms of adding to the suite, I would think a basic CRM/To Do manager is the only real business app completely missing from the platform.
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"Buggy" how? Mine work perfectly fine.

Actually mine is buggy in that I have iWork '08 and there is an annoying "bonk" sound that seems to be embedded in every document I start or open with Numbers. It is as if there is a script or a function that is "illegal" and the app keeps, nonstop bonking so that I have to mute my system to do any work.

I took it to the Apple Genius' and they said that it would be almost impossible to find, but just update to the latest version and it might get rid of it. Good retail advice! However I don't want to experiment by updating to a version that will be out of date 3 weeks after buying it ... and if it doesn't work!? @#$#$%^&

So I want iWork '11 kind of NOW.
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