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Last minute stability and compatibility problems with Apple's AirPrint for iOS devices may have forced the company to delay Mac and Windows support indefinitely, mitigating the impact of the much-anticipated wireless printing technology first previewed two months ago.

Apple CEO Steve Jobs first demoed the new wireless printing capabilities for iOS 4.2 on the iPad on Sept. 1, setting a November release date for the update. Two weeks later, in a press release to announce the beta version of the AirPrint feature in iOS 4.2, Apple specifically stated that AirPrint would work with shared printers on a Mac or PC.

"AirPrint is Apples powerful new printing architecture that matches the simplicity of iOSno set up, no configuration, no printer drivers and no software to download," said Philip Schiller, Apples senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing, in the press release. "iPad, iPhone and iPod touch users can simply tap to print their documents or photos wirelessly to an HP ePrint printer or to a printer shared on a Mac or PC."

On Tuesday, rumors arose that the AirPrint feature for printing from an iOS device to a printer connected to a Mac or PC had been canceled. AppleInsider has since confirmed that the Apple Developer site and iOS 4.2 golden master release notes no longer reference AirPrint support for Mac or Windows.

Release notes from the iOS 4.2 GM, which was released on Nov. 1, state that "iOS 4.2 devices can print wirelessly only to printers that support AirPrint and are running the latest available firmware." Prior references to printing to Mac or Windows have been removed.

5 HP printer models are now listed as "some" of the currently available printers that support AirPrint:
HP Photosmart Premium Fax e-All-in-One Printer - C410
HP Photosmart Premium e-All-in-One Printer series - C310
HP Photosmart Plus e-All-in-One Printer series - B210
HP ENVY 100 e-All-in-One Printer Series - D410
HP Photosmart eStation Printer series - C510"
On the Apple Developer forums, one developer claims that Apple Tech Support told him that "support for AirPrint on Windows and Mac has been cancelled."



The limitation of AirPrint to a select few HP printers would severely limit the usefulness of the feature, forcing most users to purchase a new printer to take advantage of it. Users, especially business users, have been greatly looking forward to the wireless printing feature, which was promised to be easy to use and to work with any printer connected to a Mac or PC, and will undoubtedly be disappointed to discover that AirPrint has been hobbled by a lack of Mac or PC support.

Adding to the confusion of whether support for the feature has been removed, developers have reported being able to print to Macs using earlier versions of Mac OS X 10.6.5 and the iOS 4.2 GM, as well as Windows PCs via the iTunes 10.1 Beta 2 for Windows, although it is unclear whether AirPrint support for Macs is still functioning in the latest Mac OS X 10.6.5 beta released Monday,.

Rumors suggest that Mac OS X 10.6.5 and iTunes 10.1 will arrive Wednesday, with iOS 4.2 coming on Friday at 10 a.m.

Though AirPrint support for Mac and PC printing may have been delayed, it's clear that Apple is committed to developing wireless printing on the iOS. In September, a batch of patent applications for Apple's AirPlay and AirPrint communications protocols hinted that the company has big plans for the wireless printing feature.
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I think there may a problem with airplay as well. I can't seem to get video to play from iPad to aTV. Only the audio comes through.

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post #3 of 63
Airprint to 5 new HP printers? Pretty well useless.
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This is bad. Very, very bad. You have another 20 days, Apple. Delay releases and get it right!!!
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Last minute stability and compatibility problems with Apple's AirPrint for iOS devices may have forced the company to delay Mac and Windows support indefinitely, mitigating the impact of the much-anticipated wireless printing technology first previewed two months ago.[ View this article at AppleInsider.com ][/c]


These execution SNAFUs are building up. Faster and faster.

Who's the guy below Jobs who's supposed to be keeping track of this stuff? Is it time for him to go?
post #6 of 63
Bummer.
But when you think about it, these are probably new protocols, so difficulties are expected. Doesnt mean Steve will be happy. But, in the end, for the average user, this probably won't be missed that much, since a host computer must be running.
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These execution SNAFUs are building up. Faster and faster.

Who's the guy below Jobs who's supposed to be keeping track of this stuff? Is it time for him to go?

The guy in charge of iOS Software (vice president) development is Scott Forstall.
post #8 of 63
So Steve Jobs presented a feature and now it won't make launch commitments afterall? Someone's definitely going to be held to account although hopefully this won't lead to infighting and finger pointing between the OS X and iOS teams.
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What was the problem with it? I've been using it with the betas and was actually very impressed. Printing web pages from mobile safari looked just like printing them from the desktop and printing photos from the iPhone to my photo printer came out just as well as they do from iPhoto. I can't really make any sense of this and will be very disappointed if it is cancelled for good.

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I think there may a problem with airplay as well. I can't seem to get video to play from iPad to aTV. Only the audio comes through.

The problem with video through airplay is that they haven't updated the aTV to support it yet. I half expected to get an aTV update before 4.2 goes public so devs could test it, but at least expect it the same day. If not, then maybe they are still working on it and will delay the feature until the aTV update is ready.
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Why not just build on top of bonjour instead of creating a new printing protocol?

Apple needs to stop announcing new enhancements until they can ship it the same day as the announcement. They're beginning to look incompetent. Leave that to the other Steve.

I hope this is but a rumor.
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So Steve Jobs presented a feature and now it won't make launch commitments afterall? Someone's definitely going to be held to account although hopefully this won't lead to infighting and finger pointing between the OS X and iOS teams.

The feature is there but you need a compatible printer. Personally, I think without universal network printing it is not that useful.
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I'm using the GM and AirPrint works fine for me with an HP printer shared from my Windows 7 box. This is a newer HP all-in-one, but it does NOT support ePrint.

So I think this is either overblown, or completely false.
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The feature is there but you need a compatible printer. Personally, I think without universal network printing this thing is not that useful.

Well the feature would be pretty limited if the supported list of printers are only those newer printers built with AirPrint in mind and not those shared by Macs and PCs. Hopefully those rapid additional builds of 10.6.5 released in the last week were meant to fix the issue rather than delay support for Mac AirPrint sharing as is being reported here.
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"...mitigating..."? Really?

In fairness to the AI reporting paradigm, canceling a publicly announced "powerful and new printing architecture" deserves lead paragraph phrasing with at least some kind of edge.
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Bummer.
But when you think about it, these are probably new protocols, so difficulties are expected. Doesnt mean Steve will be happy. But, in the end, for the average user, this probably won't be missed that much, since a host computer must be running.

This is an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.

The main feature of iOS 4.2 on the iPHone is the print feature. It's the main new feature for cripes sake. If it only runs on the five newest HP printers that's going to mean that 99.995% or better of everyone with an iPhone *won't* be able to print.

If the main feature of the new OS version is going to be essentially a no-show, then the release of the update should be delayed until it's ready.

Besides, as someone said above, this is hardly the only time Apple has screwed up lately. They have been screwing up on execution left right and centre ever since they started to take off a few years ago. The kind of delays and missed deadlines that would get Steve Jobs irate (and maybe get you fired for most of Apple's history), seem to be "par for the course" nowadays. It's sad IMO.

I just un-boxed a new 11" MacBook Air this afternoon and the bottom case moves back and forth (relative to the top part), by whole millimetres when you squeeze it. It's a minor thing, but for an Apple product? There used to be a time when stuff like that wouldn't leave an Apple factory, now it's just shovel whatever out the door and deal with the complaints later.
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This whole AirPrint thing has me confused. Do I need OSX 10.6.5, iTunes 10.1, and iOS 4.2 for it to work with a shared printer?

I'm currently running iOS 4.2, 10.6.4, and the latest iTunes 10.1 beta and my iPhone 4 can't see either one of my shared printers.
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The problem with video through airplay is that they haven't updated the aTV to support it yet. I half expected to get an aTV update before 4.2 goes public so devs could test it, but at least expect it the same day. If not, then maybe they are still working on it and will delay the feature until the aTV update is ready.

It works fine from iMac to aTV just not from iPad

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Looks like a big CF in the making. Seems to me that the best and easiest *initial* implementation would simply be to use Bonjour and a robust generic postscript ppd. No need for a million different printer drivers - Bonjour would identify any postscript printers attached to a WiFi network, and print to the IP address passed back to the iDevice, with the language instructions in the single ppd. Easy.
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That's because the Apple TV hasn't been updated to work with it yet.

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I think there may a problem with airplay as well. I can't seem to get video to play from iPad to aTV. Only the audio comes through.
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I'm using the GM and AirPrint works fine for me with an HP printer shared from my Windows 7 box. This is a newer HP all-in-one, but it does NOT support ePrint.

So I think this is either overblown, or completely false.

Reporting around here is gone like that lately.
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post #22 of 63
If you really need printing that badly, there's a dozen apps that do it already. And they do a much better job than AirPrint because they support ALL printers.
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If you really need printing that badly, there's a dozen apps that do it already. And they do a much better job than AirPrint because they support ALL printers.

Tongue in cheek: Grab them before they're yanked.
post #24 of 63
I'd just like a Print To PDF option on my iPhone and iPad. I can email myself the PDF for printing.
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While I really have no urgent need for that feature... it seems strange that the cancellation of such a highly advertised feature would be communicated by developer support to a single developer.

Especially since some application developers have already submitted apps including that function (some are live already) and the GM of 4.2 not having been revoked. I can't really see how this adds up at all. If developer support would be authorized to make such statements, a general alert to all developers should have been sent out.

If there really is some truth to this story, I assume it must be related to something severe that popped up last minute, like a grave security issue or a reasonable patent claim.
post #26 of 63
This could be the reason why Apple hasn't given us the official release date for iOS 4.2.
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I call BS on this since implementing it isn't incredibly difficult. This kind of thing is why CUPS exists.
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I don't have either of the above listed printers, in fact, I had an older HP Photosmart and airplay works just fine with 10.6.5. I can confirm AirPrint is working in 4.2 GM.














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WTF....

So now we aren't even looking at alleged emails from Steve Jobs to make conclusions regarding the future direction of Apple products, but are looking at alleged emails from Apple customer care to developers who post about these alleged emails anonymously on a forum?

Seriously, wtf, is wrong with Apple rumor mongering these days...
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Wow. What a heaping pile of angst over a rumor. Good heavens my word. Why don't we just wait a few more days and see what the reality is on release? Just pondering the wonder of it all...

PS: did anyone notice that the contributor is the anonymous AppleInsider Staff. No one is going to hang their moniker on this little gem I guess...
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Using 4.2GM on iPhone 3GS and iPad, air printing works perfectly with a Canon pro9000, Brother Laser Printer, and an old HP Photosmart 7900 printer. These of course are shared from my MacBookPro with OSX10.6.5.

Whoever accepted this story and reported it without checking the validity of the statement should be taken out the back, castrated, hung, drawn and quartered. Then taught how to be a reporter.
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I'd just like a Print To PDF option on my iPhone and iPad. I can email myself the PDF for printing.

This is why I am surprised at the delay.
All the iPad has to do is send a PDF to the Mac - and get the Mac to print it.

How hard can that be?

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Using 4.2GM on iPhone 3GS and iPad, air printing works perfectly with a Canon pro9000, Brother Laser Printer, and an old HP Photosmart 7900 printer. These of course are shared from my MacBookPro with OSX10.6.5.

Whoever accepted this story and reported it without checking the validity of the statement should be taken out the back, castrated, hung, drawn and quartered. Then taught how to be a reporter.

I guess anything controversial is good for advertising clicks, especially on a slow news day.

Time will tell.
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This whole AirPrint thing has me confused. Do I need OSX 10.6.5, iTunes 10.1, and iOS 4.2 for it to work with a shared printer?

I'm currently running iOS 4.2, 10.6.4, and the latest iTunes 10.1 beta and my iPhone 4 can't see either one of my shared printers.

Yes, you need 10.6.5.
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It surprises me that you guys would report this without checking the details of the story first. If you rad their story, and follow the links in it, what they say isn't true. They claim that Apple removed all references for AirPrint from their websites entirely. But if you follow the links, that just isn't true. Last night when I looked, it seemed as if Apple replaced the old AirPrint promotional material with new info on their site. Maybe MacStories caught it between updates. For example, on their software update page (http://www.apple.com/ipad/software-update), they still display AirPrint prominently when MacStories says it's been removed.
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Using 4.2GM on iPhone 3GS and iPad, air printing works perfectly with a Canon pro9000, Brother Laser Printer, and an old HP Photosmart 7900 printer. These of course are shared from my MacBookPro with OSX10.6.5.

Whoever accepted this story and reported it without checking the validity of the statement should be taken out the back, castrated, hung, drawn and quartered. Then taught how to be a reporter.

Thank you for this info. It is rather strange that one unverified report (that could easily have been true but incorrect) is being held up as plausible when all beta testers report as you have.
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The guy in charge of iOS Software (vice president) development is Scott Forstall.

I looked it up. I'm thinking of Tim Cook. Execution has slipped big time as of late. Apple has looked foolish over and over again.
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It works fine from iMac to aTV just not from iPad

What works fine? People have been doing this ^ since 2006???
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I looked it up. I'm thinking of Tim Cook. Execution has slipped big time as of late. Apple has looked foolish over and over again.

I'm sorry what part of this makes Apple look "foolish"?

Releasing a feature at is not ready, would in fact, be foolish.
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I'm sorry what part of this makes Apple look "foolish"?

Releasing a feature at is not ready, would in fact, be foolish.

They look foolish when they announce stuff and then can't come through. Like the white iphone.

They look foolish when they ship products with design defects, like the iPhone 4 with an external antenna.
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