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Mmmm.... maybe the appropriate name for these 7-inchers is Wedgies


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Wedgies. Where did you get that for a name?
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If you're going to go bigger than a phone, you might as well keep going until you get some real usability, instead of hanging out in the uncanny valley of too big to pocket, too small to get much done. I would say 7" is almost exactly the perfect awkward size, giving you the worst of both worlds.



Rim would say that their tablet fits perfectly in their typical customer's inside jacket poket, or in a lab coat pocket, like what a doctor would wear in the office or on the hospital.

So much for the iPad being a Portable Device? You seem to write it off.
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Geez, you really try everything to twist reality?


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I don't see anything remarkable in that video -- horizontal scrolling seems a bit laggy.

It is only laggy because it was playing a HD video and running numerous other apps in the background.
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[QUOTE=The PlayBook will also have a screen smaller than Apple's 9.7-inch iPad display. Last month, Apple CEO Steve Jobs criticized iPad competitors like the PlayBook for their 7-inch screens, suggesting the screen size was selected in an effort to compete with Apple's competitively priced iPad.
"When we make decisions on 7-inch tablets, it's not about cost," Jobs said. "It's about the value of the product when you factor in software." He said that Apple's own testing has found that a 7-inch screen is too small to be functional for users..[/QUOTE]

Steve is right. the iPad is basically the right size. Steve put the iPad between the iPhone and the Macbooks. iPad is kind of like a netbook in terms of the position it's in (between a mobile product and a laptop), but it's actually not based on it's operating system, and how it works.

Having a 7 inch tablet is like putting it between an iPhone and an iPad. Sure it's mobile, but just how many categories of mobile products do you need?!!!! Anything smaller than an iPad is too small, like a huge screen iPhone. Anything bigger than iPad is too big, like a smaller macbook.

I understand Steve's comment. We can't put another "mobile 7 inch product" between the iPad and iPhone, nor can we make a bigger iPad! It's just too much! Some will disagree with me but this is what I think it should be.
post #86 of 133
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The Playbook has little chance of dethroning the iPad.

They don't have the HW specs (9.7" screen) nor the SW ecosystem. HDMI ports and cameras are more CE type of features that are unlikely to hold sway with people looking at Tablets IMO.

A user-facing camera makes sense for video conferencing. A rear-facing camera makes little sense for a tablet. It would mean that you'd have to hold the tablet up in order to photograph your subject. Feasible for a "smartphone" form factor. Not feasible for a tablet form factor.

I agree that HDMI also doesn't make sense for a tablet that positioned for the "professional" business market. Unless projectors of the future will all have HDMI only for video input, which is highly doubtful.

The video promo was interesting, because it looks like they're targeting hip, cool consumers, rather than stuffy, uptight business "suits"*. They definitely want their business customers to think of themselves as hipster managers who wear cargo pants and "think outside the box!"

* Having women sing "We're the Blackberry Boys" in your adFAIL.
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The video promo was interesting, because it looks like they're targeting hip, cool consumers, rather than stuffy, uptight business "suits"*. They definitely want their business customers to think of themselves as hipster managers who wear cargo pants and "think outside the box!"

* Having women sing "We're the Blackberry Boys" in your adFAIL.

That video came from Vodafone's ad campaign in India --- nothing to do with RIM.
post #88 of 133
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That video came from Vodafone's ad campaign in India --- nothing to do with RIM.

Well, being that it mentions the name Blackberry, RIM is necessarily connected with the ad, even if it has a Vodafone tag at the end. RIM can't rightly claim, "hey, we had nothing to do with it!!" But Indian ads are horribly sexist in general, so it's not much of a surprise, though still disappointing.

But, sexism aside, I posted the link to demonstrate the overall campaign to reposition Blackberry as hip & cool rather than uptight and stuffy.
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post #89 of 133
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But, sexism aside, I posted the link to demonstrate the overall campaign to reposition Blackberry as hip & cool rather than uptight and stuffy.

What overall campaign? You are basing your argument on a carrier ad campaign --- in a third world country.
post #90 of 133
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Wedgies. Where did you get that for a name?

Because it splits the distance between an iPod and and iPad -- it's wedged in between them...

... and I'm a little crazy

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It is only laggy because it was playing a HD video and running numerous other apps in the background.

They weren't always playing HD video and it was still laggy. As someone called it "a proper OS" for the device -- Shouldn't that OS be able to manage system resources and suspend/terminate background apps (saving state) when critical functions like the UI are degraded?

Oddly, the iPad, running iOS 4.2 with much less hardware resources and lack of a "proper OS" does this quite well...

...go figure!

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post #92 of 133
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They weren't always playing HD video and it was still laggy. As someone called it "a proper OS" for the device -- Shouldn't that OS be able to manage system resources and suspend/terminate background apps (saving state) when critical functions like the UI are degraded?

Oddly, the iPad, running iOS 4.2 with much less hardware resources and lack of a "proper OS" does this quite well...

...go figure!

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At precisely which point was the demo UI laggy?
post #93 of 133
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1. Here is a video of the playbook actually running. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7hoAzojQh0

2. With the same resolution as the IPAD, you have a better looking Playbook screen since it will be more pixel dense. And if you say it's not, your full of crap since it's the same premise for the Iphone 4 Retina display.

3. The IPad is to big and clumsy in my opinion (Yes I OWN a non 3g Ipad). Not pocketable, and the 4:3 ratio screen, I mean c'mon, really.

4. As for developing for the playbook, I develop with Adobe Air, and I've already started making apps and it was a breeze. And with the "Get a Free Playbook with a approved App before launch" I'm sure plenty of people will jump on it.

5. I need enterprise level security for my medical apps. And out of box Blackberry delivers.

6. If you watched the live video I posted of the device running, you will actually see it playing the HD video while running in multitask mode.

7. USB, and HDMI ports, and dual HD Cams, oh thats right, not on the Ipad.

8. Playbook has EXPANDABLE MEMORY which is my #1 complaint about the ipad.

You Fanboys best get your heads out your nether regions and recognize a credible threat.

first off those 2 wizards of GEEK on stage have 0 personality factor going for them, thats right out the box and since they're oozing so much of that 'COOL' factor I couldn't resist to comment here but come on man did you NOT SEE how hard he had to press on the screen to get it to do something??? and who cares about simple pie charts (thats so 1980's) i wanna puke and throw up now-- and why do you think they didn't allow the press or anybody but these awkward lQQkin dudes to present this CRAP... can't wait until consumer reports gets this junk to review and so what the 1st gen iPad doesn't have CAM or HDMI or whatever you are complaining about- I NEVER buy 1st generation aNYTHING, i went for rev 2 to get the bells and whistles and iPad 2 will have dual cams and HDMI and USB and green EXORCIST SPIT for u clowns who H8 the BEST TECH in the WORLD!!!!! haterrrrrrrrrzzzzz
post #94 of 133
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What overall campaign? You are basing your argument on a carrier ad campaign --- in a third world country.

1. Don't get defensive. I wasn't criticizing Blackberry/RIM for wanting to position themselves as hip & cool. At the very least, RIM gave passive support to the ad by allowing their product to be written into the chorus of the jingle. I'm pretty sure that if RIM had any objection to the tone, message or content of the adeven though it's a Vodafone adthey would have voiced their objections, and it would not have gotten any airplay.

2. I happen to live in that "third world country", so I would appreciate it if you not use a pejorative/dismissive tone in reference to it. Thank you.
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post #95 of 133
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I'll take no3

No way! I called dibs on Jessica Alba when she was in Idle Hands.


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In fact, the Touch is so small, you can fit it in a shirt pocket. Which is exactly the tradeoff that makes the size worth it. Anything much larger-- too big to put in a shirt pocket-- means you lose the big advantage of that size, and just get the disadvantages of not big enough.

Maybe the solution is bigger pockets.


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It appears as if the LG Prada emerged few months before the iPhone. But by then, after years of development the iPhone design and specs were cast in concrete -- no time to copy anyone!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LG_Prada_(KE850)

It was mid December 2006 (or about 3.5 weeks before the iPhone was demoed) with many months of rampant iPhone rumours with made most of use feel it was a certainty. It was also pretty basic in HW and SW.

The device GSM(GPRS/EDGE)-only like the original iPhone. Remember, the lack of ‘3G’ that would doom the iPhone in the US? Note that LG Prada was released in Europe where UMTS '3G’ was rampant, but wasn’t well covered by AT&T or well used by Americans at that point.It was also about $175 more the iPhone. Remember the iPhone’s other feature, t’s $600 unsubsidized price point? Finally, to keep this brief, it wasn’t multi-touch. It was a single capacitance touchscreen, but that simply wasn’t possible then with a Symbian OS (as I recall) and a Flash Lite UI, not too dissimilar to the Blackpad with its Adobe Air UI.

Based on the short time frame between the announcement (or was it a leak?) and the iPhone’s official announcement with an exhaustive demo, combined with the rampant rumours of an Apple smartphone with a well know MacWorld date coming up, I have to wonder if LG was simply trying not to have it’s Prada drown in a see of Apple media, which is what inevitably happened for the reasons mentioned above.
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post #96 of 133
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... and I'm a little crazy

Crazy is far more interesting than "normal", so bravo!!!
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post #97 of 133
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1. Don't get defensive. I wasn't criticizing Blackberry/RIM for wanting to position themselves as hip & cool. At the very least, RIM gave passive support to the ad by allowing their product to be written into the chorus of the jingle. I'm pretty sure that if RIM had any objection to the tone, message or content of the adeven though it's a Vodafone adthey would have voiced their objections, and it would not have gotten any airplay.

2. I happen to live in that "third world country", so I would appreciate it if you not use a pejorative/dismissive tone in reference to it. Thank you.

If you scour the whole planet, you can probably find some idiotic Apple ad campaign from local Apple distributors as well. I fail to see it has any significance at all.
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Maybe the solution is bigger pockets.

Yes. By this time next year, we'll be able to download "Pocket Expansion Kits" to accommodate all those 7" tablets that will be out in the wild.
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At precisely which point was the demo UI laggy?

2:35 scrolling through tasks
2:55 SAP Drill-down
3:50 Chat Drill-down

He "says" all these things are "running" in the background -- I think he doesn't understand that they are suspended. When he taps on a suspended app it comes to life and updates.

4:00 He says a "PowerPoint preso is running live" in the background-- What does he think the preso is doing in the background? Creating slides dynamically?

4:47 He shows HD video running on 1/10 of the small screen in the background. First, once loaded and started, likely the video is played using the GPU and/or the other core -- no big deal. Second, while a nice demo -- what is the objective of running video in the background? Run down the battery? Isn't the OS and/or the "system video player" app intelligent enough to suspend when deactivated?

5:00-5:05 Some flicks with noticeable delays.

On the iPad, the flick is instantaneous. On the iPad you can drag your finger, quickly, back and forth and the content moves along with your finger - not a fraction of a second later, then catch up to your finger.

On the iPad it's as if you are actually moving the content. In the movie, with the PlayBook, it appeared he was pointing to where the content is to move and which direction -- the move starts at the end of the gesture instead of at the beginning!

Subtle, but that's what makes it magical!

5:53- 6:11 load and start YT video -- 18 seconds

It's anecdotal but I was able to bring the same video up over WiFi in 9-15 seconds -- and play it in YouTube HD at full screen. That's with a single-core A8 processor, 256 MB of RAM and an "improper OS" -- as opposed to the PlayBook's dual-core A9, 1GB RAM and a"proper OS" at 1/2 (of a smaller) screen.
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If you scour the whole planet, you can probably find some idiotic Apple ad campaign from local Apple distributors as well. I fail to see it has any significance at all.

The Vodafone/Blackberry campaign was a national ad campaign in India, not some "idiotic ad campaign from a local distributor". And, to be clear, my only criticism of the ad was its sexism, which is pervasive in India. Saying that they want to position themselves as hip & cool was an observation, not a criticism.

I would love to be able to position myself as hip & cool. Maybe someday. A guy can dream, can't he? Sigh.
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So which one of those many, flashy content demos was actual size? Sure, bus-stop wind screens that show moving ads are great but that's not really this product is it?
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2:35 scrolling through tasks
2:55 SAP Drill-down
3:50 Chat Drill-down

He "says" all these things are "running" in the background -- I think he doesn't understand that they are suspended. When he taps on a suspended app it comes to life and updates.

4:00 He says a "PowerPoint preso is running live" in the background-- What does he think the preso is doing in the background? Creating slides dynamically?

5:00-5:05 Some flicks with noticeable delays.

On the iPad, the flick is instantaneous. On the iPad you can drag your finger, quickly, back and forth and the content moves along with your finger - not a fraction of a second later, then catch up to your finger.

On the iPad it's as if you are actually moving the content. In the movie, with the PlayBook, it appeared he was pointing to where the content is to move and which direction -- the move starts at the end of the gesture instead of at the beginning!

Subtle, but that's what makes it magical!


5:53- 6:11 load and start YT video -- 18 seconds

It's anecdotal but I was able to bring the same video up over WiFi in 9-15 seconds -- and play it in YouTube HD at full screen. That's with a single-core A8 processor, 256 MB of RAM and an "improper OS" -- as opposed to the PlayBook's dual-core A9, 1GB RAM and a"proper OS" at 1/2 (of a smaller) screen.

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The apps are running live, not suspended. What you see is a "live view" of what the app is doing at that very second, not a screen capture.

There were 6 apps running (not including the HD video player) --- photo app, web browser, SAP cockpit, SAP, salesforce chatter app, powerpoint app.

"Subtle" on a pre-release alpha software --- that's pretty good. And it's not native apps yet.

It is a wifi connection in a public setting --- remember even Steve Jobs tell people to stop using the wifi when he demo'ed.
post #103 of 133
iPad fits in lab coats (with stethoscope even):



http://www.imedicalapps.com/2010/04/...ical-care-use/

It's even a selling point:

http://webmedbooks.com/webmedbooks/c...0-61960A87BBEF

A 7" device loses that as a unique selling point...although it will fit in more pockets than the iPad will.
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iPad fits in lab coats (with stethoscope even):



http://www.imedicalapps.com/2010/04/...ical-care-use/

It's even a selling point:

http://webmedbooks.com/webmedbooks/c...0-61960A87BBEF

A 7" device loses that as a unique selling point...although it will fit in more pockets than the iPad will.

Great! Thanks for the links -- i searched a few weeks ago & found nothing!


Just found this:

http://www.uniformsandscrub.com/thum...deep=1&cid=481

Got any links for scrubs?

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The apps are running live, not suspended. What you see is a "live view" of what the app is doing at that very second, not a screen capture.

There were 6 apps running (not including the HD video player) --- photo app, web browser, SAP cockpit, SAP, salesforce chatter app, powerpoint app.

"Subtle" on a pre-release alpha software --- that's pretty good. And it's not native apps yet.

It is a wifi connection in a public setting --- remember even Steve Jobs tell people to stop using the wifi when he demo'ed.

What were the apps doing? Chat, SAP -- receiving notifications, but not doing anything with them -- big deal!

Movie Player, PowerPoint, Photos, browser -- just what is accomplished by running these in the background?

As I said: Nice demo -- of little real value!

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What were the apps doing? Chat, SAP -- receiving notifications, but not doing anything with them -- big deal!

Movie Player, PowerPoint, Photos, browser -- just what is accomplished by running these in the background?

As I said: Nice demo -- of little real value!

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It doesn't matter whether the apps are doing much or not. What it matters is that they are willing to demo an alpha version of their OS with 6-7 apps running publicly on stage.

These are AIR apps --- which Steve Jobs thinks have no place in embedded devices.

And all you can complain about is --- "subtle" UI lags. I think that RIM just show the real value of their new OS.
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It doesn't matter whether the apps are doing much or not. What it matters is that they are willing to demo an alpha version of their OS with 6-7 apps running publicly on stage.

These are AIR apps --- which Steve Jobs thinks have no place in embedded devices.

And all you can complain about is --- "subtle" UI lags. I think that RIM just show the real value of their new OS.


This is the demo they should have done at the announcement event -- alpha has its place.

AIR apps -- are the trying to sell a solution or an Adobe interpreter/development platform?

Gesture detection/resolution is something you begin with -- not something you add at the end.

The co-ceo seemed enthralled that he could select tiny links -- Pyrric Victory. Why not just pinch zoom and make the controls bigger.

Fair enough, though -- we'll see how the customers like the PlayBook solution vs the competition.

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Gesture detection/resolution is something you begin with -- not something you add at the end.

The co-ceo seemed enthralled that he could select tiny links -- Pyrric Victory. Why not just pinch zoom and make the controls bigger.

Fair enough, though -- we'll see how the customers like the PlayBook solution vs the competition.

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No, the kernel is the first thing you have to do --- right. Gesture detection is relatively easier to add later.

It is much harder for Apple to add --- say full multi-tasking --- into the IOS later on.

The only pyrric victory I see is yours --- like complaining about subtle UI lags on a resource constrained embedded device running 6-7 apps at the same time.
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No, the kernel is the first thing you have to do --- right. Gesture detection is relatively easier to add later.

It is much harder for Apple to add --- say full multi-tasking --- into the IOS later on.

The only pyrric victory I see is yours --- like complaining about subtle UI lags on a resource constrained embedded device running 6-7 apps at the same time.

iOS (OS X) has always had full multi-tasking -- it's Unix-based, as is QNX. What Apple has done is limit 3rd-party multi-tasking. It can relax this restriction at any time when the situation justifies it -- running bg movies and presos excepted.

OK! i'll make a prediction based on what I know about RIM, the timing, the competition, and what I see in this PlayBook product.

It will be released in March 2011 with lots of promo and very poor reviews,

It will sell less than 1 million units in CY 2011 -- as presently priced and configured.

It will be a failure in a burgeoning market for tablets.

Specs don't sell -- solutions do!

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Specs don't sell -- solutions do!

Actually, fluff sells.
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Well I had a half dozen replies. Then I watched that demo video. RIP RIM, you just made something no one at all will ever care about.
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Actually, fluff sells.

Not to serious, discerning buyers -- they would rather buy nothing than buy an inferior product!

You ever owned a retail store, during a recession -- and survived? I have! People will wait to buy quality!

I retired at age 50! You?

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Well I had a half dozen replies. Then I watched that demo video. RIP RIM, you just made something no one at all will ever care about.

Yeah! It's kinda' sad!

If I owned RIMM I woud start a stockholder initiative that 2 CEOs are 1 too many.

I Would also ask what business that RIMM thinks that they are in?

What are RIMMs goals through 2011?

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Actually, fluff sells.

And, people accuse Apple fanboys of arrogance!
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The apps are running live, not suspended. What you see is a "live view" of what the app is doing at that very second, not a screen capture.

There were 6 apps running (not including the HD video player) --- photo app, web browser, SAP cockpit, SAP, salesforce chatter app, powerpoint app.

So you set up the perfect example for why multi-tasking ain't all it's promised to be by the ill informed. If you cannot smoothly and totally invisibly multi-task in all instances on a device you either are wanting a feature that you really shouldn't want, or you are running an OS that isn't as grown up as it says it is.

Not pulling off live multi-tasking on a Cortex A9 says to me the OS is borked, and an OS shouldn't be borked in that manner less than 6 months before ship. Ever. Period. And the VP that allowed video tp go out that showed borking like that isn't worth his/her six-figures.



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"Subtle" on a pre-release alpha software --- that's pretty good. And it's not native apps yet.

It is a wifi connection in a public setting --- remember even Steve Jobs tell people to stop using the wifi when he demo'ed.

And OS X will be "TeH snappy when the debug code is removed." Your comment is utterly without merit and an indication of not understanding what the OS does and does not do for the software. Native on PlayBook is Flash. Native on PlayBook is QNX/OpenGL. Native on PlayBook is whatever runs on it because it is not a cross platform supporting chunk of hardware. so when something runs slow on it, the native software is running slow on it. You don't get to say only the theoretically (hopefully?) faster QNX/OpenGL code is native.

And I'll laugh when the poorly optimized OpenGL code bogs too. The talented OpenGL programmers work in the gaming and visual effects industries, which includes the big tool producers as well as the content production companies. Embedded device OpenGL programmers tend to write naive crappy performing code because they can get away with it, the complexity of what they are displaying is utterly simplistic. I have worked with some folks that used to do that. The blank stares when discussing the matrix stack and performance implications of thrashing it... Lets just say that the talent in the pool after the glamor jobs are filled isn't very deep, but sometimes it does fighter jet displays and those gents are considered avionics rock stars. Ya think the Playbook QNX OS is going to change that social/personnel talent problem?
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iOS (OS X) has always had full multi-tasking -- it's Unix-based, as is QNX. What Apple has done is limit 3rd-party multi-tasking. It can relax this restriction at any time when the situation justifies it -- running bg movies and presos excepted.

OK! i'll make a prediction based on what I know about RIM, the timing, the competition, and what I see in this PlayBook product.

It will be released in March 2011 with lots of promo and very poor reviews,

It will sell less than 1 million units in CY 2011 -- as presently priced and configured.

It will be a failure in a burgeoning market for tablets.

Specs don't sell -- solutions do!

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Hi Dick. I like you and respect your opinions, and I hate to be a curmudgeon.

But, when this was first announced, your predictions were that the Playbook would not be ready for almost a year because they had no OS, no SDK, no working unit etc.

So, a month later, they release the SDK, show a working demo, and stick with their early 2011 release date.

We shall see what happens, but . . . . .
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Hi Dick. I like you and respect your opinions, and I hate to be a curmudgeon.

But, when this was first announced, your predictions were that the Playbook would not be ready for almost a year because they had no OS, no SDK, no working unit etc.

So, a month later, they release the SDK, show a working demo, and stick with their early 2011 release date.

We shall see what happens, but . . . . .

Rim announced the PlayBook on 9/27 -- showing videos and mockups only, lots of missing specs (price, Battery, etc). No demos -- a brand new (to them) OS (QNX) and brand new (to them) UI (Flash, AIR, whatever). No SDK, no release date. RIM and Adobe, both have poor track records with touch, and multitouch interface.


Based on that, and extrapolating from Apple's intro / release of the iPhone, (AIR) I predicted a June 2011 release (at best) of the PlayBook. I wondered why they held the announcement at all.


Apple demoed working iPhones in Jan 2007. Announced specs, Battery, Price and release month. R Apple had to transfer expert Mac OS X people to the iPhone team (Delaying the new release of Mac OS X) to make their June deadline. An SDK was not part of the original package.


I just watched the 2007 iPhone announcement keynote. Very long, complete, detailed demo of apps and the UI. I would call this a very advanced beta, Reporters had hands-on within weeks.

http://www.macrumors.com/2007/01/18/...n-with-iphone.

Apple met their 6 month release deadline -- 6-month concentrated effort from a late beta at announce.


Rim and Adobe, 1 month after announce, release preliminary SDKs -- fragmented, download bits from several places -- early alpha feel.

Rim, 1 month after their sept 27 announcement, live demos PlayBook at Adobe event. Very limited and controlled demo of OS and apps. UI is not done. Has late Alpha look and feel. AFAICT, no one outside Rim and Adobe has hands-on experience. Still no published battery life? No published release month?


Based on where we are today, I revised my estimate to, a very generous, March 2011 release -- that means significant product, say 100,000 in the channel by March 31, 2011. Sales would need to be over 100,000 for the 9 months of availability in 2011.

I don't see this competing with the iPad, HP Slate, or Galaxy Tab. Supposedly it is targeted at enterprise.

There better be a lot of enterprise apps already written in AIR!

I did not factor in competition for parts and production facilities.

I believe that most enterprises are in, or have recently completed, their budget/planning cycle for 2011. I doubt many PlayBooks are in these budgets. I suspect there are many iPads in enterprise budgets and app development projects are already underway.


I just don't see the PlayBook being a success -- it's the wrong company(s), introducing the wrong product at the wrong time.


But, as you say: we'll see.

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Got any links for scrubs?

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Scrubs tend to have smallish pockets. Maybe a warm-up jacket?
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It's really hard to tell how the os looks, since most of the video does not show it. The browser looks interesting. The commercial does not show the device until the end, so all of the "screen shots" are rendered and it's difficult to tell how it looks and acts on the playbook itself. I think the name is pretty clever, actually.

I may be wrong, but it seems every iphone/ipad competitor's commercials all say screen image simulated, yet I never see it on an Apple commercial? Is Apple not disclosing? or are they really images from their devices.
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It's really hard to tell how the os looks, since most of the video does not show it. The browser looks interesting. The commercial does not show the device until the end, so all of the "screen shots" are rendered and it's difficult to tell how it looks and acts on the playbook itself. I think the name is pretty clever, actually.

I may be wrong, but it seems every iphone/ipad competitor's commercials all say screen image simulated, yet I never see it on an Apple commercial? Is Apple not disclosing? or are they really images from their devices.

Apple shows real images captured on the devices. They do speed up some things like video of internet downloading actions and there is a disclaimer about the time compression when they use it.
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