New Windows 7 ad criticizes Apple's lack of Blu-ray support on Mac - Page 8

Your implication that all seats on airlines have power outlets is fallacious.Your talk of a notebook needing Blu-ray because you can tell the different on a 27 2560x1440 and 30 2560x1600 is specious. Your presumed entitlement that Apple should offer you an option you wish simply because you desire it is fatuous. Your stating iTunes HD content isnt HD because its not as HD as content on Blu-ray discs is vacuous.

the problem is many of these people are too emotionally tied to their preferred delivery method for HD content. also, i'm surprised very little discussion was made regarding the lossless audio component of the HD viewing experience. i just love listening to the lossless Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Master Audio tracks when paired with high-quality visuals.

I was lucky enough to have only streamed that one through Netflix via my 2nd gen AppleTV.
I was expecting something more along the lines of the Transporter series. What I got was part low brow humor, part Tarantino, part Scarface, part every stereotype you could or could not imagine, and part porno!

Worst POS movie I have ever seen. And believe me, I have seen some real winners.

Microsloth should know by now that attacking the Mac usually results in increased Mac sales. There's a reason Macs rule the Premium end, and there's a reason consumers with $$$ choose Macs, and it has nothing to do with Blu Ray.

Another useless ad campaign by MS that does nothing more than highlight their continued envy of a leaner, faster, more innovative rival that does a magnitude more with a fraction of MS' resources.

May these ads continue. They only help Apple.

Wow. You must be very smart.


Here's some free investment advice. Buy a stock if it will go up.

Agreed.

But your taste in movies can't be worse than mine. For instance, I worship Arnie as the greatest thing that happened to American cinema!

And yet you didn't provide any examples if this reality... Seriously if there is a laptop that can play bluray for up to 10 hours on a single charge I'd love to see it.

The reality is that I can travel with a small and lightweight bag. I can zip in and out of security with ease. If I happen to be flying economy I don't have to worry that I won't be able to open my laptop when the passenger in front of me reclines. On a single device I have a huge selection of movies, music and games. If I change my mind and I want to watch a different movie I just choose with my fingers. I don't have to go back into my bag or back into the overhead bin, put away the old disc, find the new disk, load it up, juggle my laptop throughout this whole process, etc.

The scenario MSFT portrays in the commercial is fake. Digital media takes the cake. It just happens that Apple does digital media better with it's idevice ecosystem. After all when I travel I'm also carrying my blackberry and thinkpad. If I wanted to carry physical media i could, but why would I when given a superior alternative?

I enjoy watching people bumble around with laptops and DVDs and blurays. And they get so jealous of my iPad that I can see it in their eyes

Actually, I did. And for most unbiased people, it should be pretty obvious. AACS licensing actually does more than protect content, it implements rules that directly affect the future development of an OS, it gives the AACS LA a pseudo-official role (kind of a FCC), that enables them to approve or disapprove systems solely based on their own interpretations of their own rules. And of course does MS still have influence within AACS LA.

This is ridiculous, because it is completely out of proportion. Because (according to statistics from last year) less than 6% of computer users in reporting countries (mainly North America and Western Europe) do buy computers with BD support at all, and less than 10% of those do rip BDs, most of them for private use (let's say at least half of them). Now we talk about this: approx. 98% of personal computers (combined market share of MS and Apple) have to be crippled, to protect the industry from 0,3% of the users max. (and these 0,3% are not even bothered by AACS)? But your logic is: if 0,3% of male human beings participate in constitutional rape at least once in their lifetime, we should castrate them all? Every dictator would love citizens like that.

Even if Apple is not boycotting AACS for ethical reasons, I am sure glad they do, as I really do not feel like putting up with Linux crap as a last resort. They should implement BD support the very moment the industry allows for an implementation that relies on end user software (player) and an encrypted signal path only... they do it with movies on iTunes and sure want that money, but prefer to screw their own buyers. No logic in that.

The pro Blu-ray argument in notebooks is usually presented with the idea that anything less is too inferior for their viewing, yet these people never seem to realize that viewing Blu-ray on a little notebook display is inferior viewing. If these people really cared about the cinematic experience of Blu-ray they wouldn’t be watching on a computer, much less a notebook with a TN display on an airplane, they’d be watching in a real Home Theater setup.

or how about an ad where in the middle of the movie itunes stops and says that your rental period has ended.

Anyway, I have 3 laptops all running windows 7, 2 running PGP disk encryption, which is obviously processor and disk access intense. running wifi and with a disk in, my laptops all get over 3 hours battery life without large capacity batteries.

The only laptop that I have issues with windows battery life is my mac book, but it is 3 years old so I will assume that is the battery age and not the driver and setting defaults chosen by apple.

It isnt emotional it is logical. Windows and mac have all the same streaming and download options, the case for bluray is that a person with a big screen tv and/or home theater may prefer bluray over the 720P itunes only hd download. not to mention the deleted scenes and special features like french or spanish dub on the same disk.

Now, I am going on a business trip and want to watch lets say the new star trek; do I rebuy it? or just grab the bluray and toss it in the bag? I guess that question depends on weather you are a mac or PC.

BS that doesn't happen, FUD. You can start the movie up until the moment it will expire and watch it in its entirety and even pause for a break if you need. Get your facts straight and quit stretching the truth on laptop BR playback

This doesnt make sense. Macs are PCs. Mac can also run Windows and they play Blu-ray movies from a Blu-ray player just fine under Windows.

What they dont do is offer Blu-ray drives from the factory. But just because other vendors offer the option doesnt mean Apple should offer the option or that others include the option across their line as if its standard or a popular option.

Everything says that Blu-ray in PCs is not popular. How many PCs per year are being shipped with Blu-ray? How many of those are notebooks were the drives are more expensive? How many of those are 9.5mm ultra-slim drives that cost $500 or more?

And in OS X. it's completely moot. People would just complain about the $500 BTO drives when they could put their own in.

What has that got to do with buying a blu-ray player, never using it, and then bitching about it?

If that is your logic, then Disney has influence within the AACS LA, and IBM, and Intel, and Warner Bros, and Panasonic, and Sony, and Toshiba... MS is just one member, you are reading too much into Microsoft being a member in this case.


You are comparing blu-ray usage on a computer to rape? Do you have a serious issue that needs medical help?


So what happens with the studios demand that Apple implements a AACS type scheme for digital downloads? Don't assume that everything will stay the same, iTunes downloads are currently a very small part of the movie studios money scheme, but as downloads increase, the studios will start placing larger demands on companies like Apple.

Have you ever looked for one? Because Dell sells them

But the iPad will not display HD content at 720p. Not even close.

It is the wrong aspect ratio, so it letterboxes everything. The vertical resolution is nowhere near 720. In fact, when watching HD stuff, the vertical resolution is 576.

The iPad is 1024x768 @ 4:3, the venerable XGA standard from 1990. It is not widescreen.

When displaying HD formatted content in landscape, the iPad displays 1024x576 @ 16:9. That ain't HD, hence my original comment that the iPad is unable to display HD content. I'll concede that it will display the content, but it will not display the content in HD, which is what I was driving at.

Somebody could please check my arithmetic.

Your post ... is not appropriate.

Good point.

I take back my comment. The one quoted above.

All the experts agree that the minimum size necessary to see the difference is 55 inches.

Unless you sit too close to the screen that is. Heck, hold an iP4 at 3 inches and you can see the pixels on that too.

as evidenced in this thread alone there is much emotion here

Har! Keep it up, Soli!

Ah. I understand.

But how do you hook up an iPad to a hotel room TV? Not HDMI, do you use component? Or what?

Most planes, even in cattle class, have power points on every seat now, rendering any complaints about battery life totally irrelevant.

"Nope"

Yes, I use the Apple Component AV Cable:

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB...co=MTA4NDc4Njc

Same cable works on iPod Touch, iPhone and iPad. It is a little bulky though so I only take it on longer trips when I will be checking luggage.

That's kind of the irony, isn't it? Microsoft's ad touts something that they don't even believe in. Microsoft believes in the "cloud" as the future of media distribution as much as Apple, Netflix, and Amazon Unbox, and Google does. They supported HD-DVD against Blu-Ray, and when HD-DVD died, they put their effort behind Xbox Live and Silverlight for HD content instead of Blu-Ray. And yet we still get this insipid Blu-Ray ad.

P.S. I'm not against Blu-Ray. I own many and I think highly of the format and the high quality it delivers. I think Microsoft should stay on message instead of stabbing Blu-Ray in the back and then wrapping its arm around Blu-Ray and saying, "meet my buddy Blu-Ray. Windows 7 does Blu-Ray."

In all honesty, I hadn't, but I went to Dell's site as per your mention, and whaddya know? There it is! Of course, my statement was true when it was made: I was not aware of a laptop under 17" with full HD capability. Now I am. I love learning new things!

But, I think most of the advantages of Blu-Ray—which, let's be honest, is best experienced in a home-theater environment, not on a laptop or even a desktop computer—are lost when scaled down to a laptop, even one with full HD video capability. Laptop speakers are just not up to snuff, and even if you use headphones, you're not getting true, rattle-your-ribcage, gazillion-channel surround sound. You simply can't get the home theater cinematic experience on a laptop.

Hence, all this hubbub about Blu-Ray capable laptops, IMHO, is all sound and fury, signifying not very much.

You missed at least 34 more.

http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/la...~0~1053922&p=1

This is not true. I wish it was, but it just isn't yet. Especially with many ghetto US-based airlines. And its very common for there to be a shared outlet for a row of seats (for example, 3 seats, 1 outlet in the middle). Not ideal either.

Also, why would anyone want to expect the need to charge or risk battery depletion? Why have a battery in the first place? Isn't the idea of having a battery that you don't need to be plugged in?

If you believe everything experts believe you have some serious problems. I can tell the difference on a 32" monitor.

That "mostly ignored option" possibility is precisely why Jobs doesn't want to put the things in Mac. Another issue is that people forget is unlike DVD Blu-Ray may not play right out of the box but need a firmware update. Avatar is one of the more well known movies with issues with that and while they quickly fixed the snafu it does show that Blu-Ray still needs a few bugs to be worked out.

Wasn't the Avatar issue due to the fact that some of the CEs didn't implement the new BD+ version when it was introduced? Sure you can scream about how bad DRM is until you are blue in the face, but the same situation would hit Apple in any area if they didn't implement something in time. Java on OSX is an example, Apple said they were implementing Java behind the offical releases causing incompatibilies.

To compare Apple with Dell computers is beyond silly.

And you guys know it.

I reponded to a message saying "I'm not aware of any laptop under 17" that has a resolution 1920x1080 or higher." Can you please tell me where it says "only apple" in there?

I have Blu-ray on my iMac and MacBook Pro. I just bought a $109 Blu-ray Burner, and a $11 SATA to USB adapter. (I got a Blu-ray reader for $75 at a local store too).

Apparently Mac OS X does know what a BD Disc is. Blank ones look like CDs or DVDs, it just says "BD" on the disc icon.

I've also made a blu-ray disc with a great football game I recorded with a DVR. I cut out the commercials and the m2ts file is one of the formats allowed on a blu-ray disc (along with H.264 and VC-1). I didn't even have to re-encode, the 2 hour 39 minute (without commercials) game was burned in 34 minutes.

I have also encoded several Blu-ray discs to .mp4 and .m4v files. (I own all the Blu-ray Discs, so nothing illegal). I can play them fine on the Mac and the iPhone 4 (re-encoded to 720p). I play the movies on my small 21.5" 1080p display attached to my 27" iMac while I'm working sometimes.

Isn't it rare for a PC to have Blu-ray capability anyway? Only the most expensive PCs have it?

Which is exactly what it was supposed to be.

Why is there continued debate over this? Macs will never come with Blu ray because they don't need to. Apple has decided it is pointless to include it. And the market has proven them exactly right. In 2010 and beyond, it no longer makes any difference when MS attacks Apple over anything, for the simple reason that no one is paying attention.

This is a non-story, but for the hilarity that MS touts as a feature something they recently declared themselves against publicly. More proof that this out-of-touch, interminably slow sloth of a company needs a total reset of their entire consumer business.