New Windows 7 ad criticizes Apple's lack of Blu-ray support on Mac - Page 10

no, OSX doesnt support bluray's encryption methods, windows 7 does.

Thats the whole point of this commercial, mac users dont even have a choice, sure alot of people arent interested in BD becuase their library is HDD based, which is kind of what i do too (i have a QNAP 5 bay NAS with 10 TB of storage, most of its deticated to videos and music)

but alot of mac users want to have BD capability and they dont.

Ha! That would be a good one. Bring out another Mac & PC commercial.

PC - "Hey Mac, check out the awesome blu-ray drive I have, you can watch full HD movies on your honkin huge laptop while plugged into a power outlet, or watch up to half the movie on battery!"

Mac - "Actually PC, you don't even need a laptop to watch HD movies on the go, if you have an iPad you can download content straight from iTunes that will play at 720p for about half the cost of that blu-ray. Not only can you watch one full length feature movie but 2 if you so choose. It will also sync back to your computer & can be synced up to other devices like an iPod Touch or iPhone & even be played wirelessly to your TV using the AirPlay feature for the AppleTV."

PC - "But it won't be full 720p!"

Mac - (with sarcastic look) "...Touche"

My iPad plays quality hd content just fine. I assure you that an eeepc does not.

lol what the hell are you talking about?

eeepc 1005PR = 1080p capable - $399
eeepc 1015PN = 1080p capable - $399 w/ hdmi
eeepc 1201T = 1080p capable - $429 w/ hdmi
eeepc 1215t = 1080p capable - $479 w/ hdmi
eeepc 1201N = 1080p capable - $449 w/ hdmi
eeepc 1215PN = 1080p capable - $499 w/ hdmi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXZk-eN9Q2I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG_ewNZYcF8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-cHZ0BZEE8

eeepcs offer an inferior experience. They do not do anything well. They can hardly even run their OS let alone offer a pleasurable viewing experience.

Stop focusing on bizarre and useless technical specifications and realize that an iPad or MacBook owner is look for more than just paper dreams. We enjoy a superior experience, which Apple delivers.

eeepcs are ghetto and I'm offended that you think I might want one.

Gotta love those posters who claim something is 1080p capable but then offer no other specs about it¡ Sure, 1080p is capable, but at what bit rate, how many fps, and in what codecs? They dont seem to understand the difference between technically being capable and being feasible or useable in the real world.

Yes, having MakeMKV stream blu-ray to VLC is exactly like having a native player. If I wanted a hackfest like linux I could have saved an assload of money on hardware.

Because here's the fricking HOWTO to play Blu-Ray on OSX with MakeMKV + VLC:

To play Blu-ray discs under OS X you need four things: A Blu-ray drive (I have an LG in a BYTECC USB2/FW enclosure), Make MKV, VLC (or other streaming-aware app) and a reasonably beefy Mac (quad core works great, but probably requires a 2.8 gHz dual core). It's a bit of a convoluted process, but works nonetheless.

Insert a Blu-ray disc, then after it mounts in the Finder launch Make MKV. After it reads the disc, click on the Open Disc icon and it starts decrypting the disc. This takes about 30 seconds to complete. You're then presented with a list of titles - find the largest as that's likely the movie. Next click on the Make MKV server icon to launch the server, then click on the http link in the server box. This opens a window in your web browser with something like this:

This page is designed to be read by robots, not humans. For this it is a valid xhtml text document with a simple structure. Each page contains exactly one table that in turn contains name-value pairs which may point to other tables (web pages) or files to stream.
This feature is experimental - discs that use seamless branching will likely not work.
name value
version MakeMKV v1.4.10 beta darwin(x86-release)
address 10.0.0.2:51000
titles /web/titles

Click on '/web/titles' to get to the next window:

name value
type Blu-ray disc
name Star Trek Disc 1
titlecount 5
title0 /web/title0
title1 /web/title1
title2 /web/title2
title3 /web/title3
title4 /web/title4

In the case of Star Trek, title2 is the main feature. I click on the title2 link and then get this in a new Firefox tab:

name value
id 2
duration 2:06:50
chaptercount 14
formatcount 2
format0 m2ts
file0 /stream/title2.m2ts
format1 ts
file1 /stream/title2.ts

Click on the link /stream/title2.m2ts and a new tab opens in Firefox with the Quicktime icon. Copy the URL (which for Star Trek on my system is http://10.0.0.5:5100...am/title2.m2ts) and then open VLC, choose File > Open Network and paste the URL into the box, hit return and the movie starts playing.

Unfortunately, VLC doesn't seem to be all that great so you need a really good Mac, probably 2.8 gHz or better with a dual core, or any of the quad cores. MPlayer Extended has great video playback but every time I use it the audio gets out of sync. http://forums.plexapp.com/index.php/...cs-under-os-x/

Really?

If it really irritates, you can request latex gloves.

Mmm...I understand BR wants full chain encryption but Apple has enough of the protected encryption chain to allow for 720p HD content on the mac. One would think that a 3rd party software player might be able to fill in the gaps unless it was somewhere really low level.

Given that blu-ray's copy protection is mostly broken now anyway it seems silly that BR is still making PC playback jump through excessive hoops.

May I ask what country you live in that the highly compressed iTunes HD videos cost half the price of a 1080p Blu-ray? Because looking at the US iTunes store they cost around the same.

But you answered you own question previously in your post: "... they offer a convenience that matters to people."

If you feel that you're better off not having anything at all rather than having something that works, go ahead and live your life that way.

I'll enjoy ripping and watching Blu-ray movies in OS X. Pretty simple.

most mainstream eeepc's give you 10 hours of internet browsing, thats sure better than the 5-6 hours of the macbookair so its [good on batteries]

most eeepc's are no more than 3.5lbs, most being 2.8lbs, thats easier to carry than a regular laptop so its [ultra portable]

most eeepc's 2010 Q2 and on have usb 3 and HDMI, it does this 100% better than the macbookair which has no ports at all making it [easier to transfer data and connect to tvs]

hardly run their os? the D525 Atom dual core cpu [~750ish passmarks) is about the same speed as the SU9400, the stupid core2duo crap they decided to throw in the MBA (~900ish passmarks), for reference a i7 740m is about ~3500 passmarks, they are both slower but still faster than older Pentium 4’s and athlon XP cpus, the atom runs windows 7 64bit ultimate with no problems I would say it runs the OS fine, whats funny is the Asus 1215N is half the price of the macbook air and delivers more frames per second in WoW. By your argument, the macbookair barely runs OSX.

Bizarre tech specs? Which one of the specs I listed was bizarre? Ram capacity? Hard drive? HDMI Ports? USB 3? Which one? If you don’t know what im talking about why are you even replying?

The ipad has a superior experience, lol which is more superior to you?

\tA 9.7” not even 720P screen (1024x768 resolution is not as good as 1366x768)
\tA 72” LED LCD TV with 7.1 surround hooked up to an Asus 1215PN via HDMI

The eeepc ghetto? Again, by your logic macbooks and the ipad are super ghetto then with all your adapters and dongles screwing up your minimalistic setup, with the ipad, I cant even drag and drop an mkv file and play it without voiding my warranty (you have to jail break it and even then its freaking ridiculous you have to SSH into the damn thing to copy files)

Your viewpoint is so narrow and ignorant its ridiculous, your basically saying the 36 million people that bought net books this year all hate their device (why would that many people buy the product then if it sucked?)


You realize that blurays will play at 720p on an unencrypted connection such as component video? You wont get DTS master audio or dolby HD either on optical.

Basically apple has nothing in place because no protection = 720p


That’s a lot of work and hours of transcoding, not very simple to me at all, I can transcode and rip on a fast machine but for every movie I have? Damn no thanks, that’s months worth of encoding on 8 cores.

You were castigating me for asking why someone didn't make a non-asinine way of doing blu-ray playback...also known as "inserting disc and pressing play" because I didn't read the thread.

I read the posts and I already knew there is a freetarded way to do blu-ray playback on the mac. If I wanted freetarded computing where streaming blu-ray via a url and manually picking the largest file to cut and paste into VLC is a "solution" I could be running linux...because that's exactly the dumb assed way you playback blu-rays on linux without ripping.

Claiming that MakeMKV+FLV is valid blu-ray playback option for most apple users is just stupid and misleading.

I'll enjoy inserting a blu-ray into my current blu-ray player and pressing play thanks. That's pretty simple.

Ripping long assed Blu-Rays to HDD or using MakeMKV in streaming mode is currently anything BUT pretty simple.

The analog hole is being sunsetted and it provides 1080 via component, not 720. Without encryption you don't get 720p...you get 480i or 576i. Even with current gear once image constraint tokens are enabled.

And Apple DOES have things in place for 720p HD iTunes downloads including HDCP.

well actaully i looked this up

its 1080i over component, or 540p
no surround, only L/R audio

dvd's are limited to 480p over component

however on paper component can handle 1080p easily just like VGA can handle 2048x1536, just encryption isnt supported

Because they're cheap. Those people have since realized they made a bad decision. The netbook market is drying up. A year from now there will be no such thing as a netbook.

Eeepcs are ghetto. Nobody wants one. If given a choice they would pick a real computer or a tablet every time.

IPad for the win, again.

I'm glad you pointed out the previous error about Blu-ray letting 720p video through the "analog hole" of component video. It is 540p, but I didn't know it could be 1080i, though 540p/60 and 1080i/60 are the same amount of data rate or information.

Though, I know it's actually 540p/24, (quarter resolution 960x540). How would 1080i/24 work? Would the player actually somehow convert that to 1080p/24 to 1080i at 60 field per second? Or would it be 1080i/48, still never heard of that either, but 1080i/24 (24 fields per second) would be so slow that you would see combing effects?

I think the output is probably just 540p/24. Tell me if I'm wrong and the player converts the 1080p/24 to 1080i/60.

Also, component video can handle 1080p at any rate (it's analog, it's the TV/monitor or display that cares about the refresh rate).

Yes virtually all DVDs are 720x480 video (actually everyone I've ever seen or hear of), exactly one sixth of 1920x1080 blu-ray resolution. And it's always non-square pixels. It's anamorphic, either squished to 4:3 or stretched to 16:9, if you actually watched a DVD at 720x480 square pixels (on a computer monitor) people would look skinny or fat for 16:9 or 4:3, respectively.

Thanks nht for the info on how to play Blu-ray directly, I've seen seamless branching Blu-ray Discs (do you mean many separate .m2ts files for a single title?). I've only seen MakeMKV v1.6.2, that's what I've been using and it puts together these separate files into one title, sometimes two big titles, one regular and one with the extra video pane of added info into the movie itself. So, would this method work with MakeMKV v1.6.2 directly for multiple .m2ts files?

Maybe I'll try it, if I run across another BD with separate video files for the Main Title. Avatar has one 44,897,476,608 byte .m2ts file (44.8 GB). Only have I seen one movie, "Iron Man 2" have multiple .m2ts files, the largest being 4.2 GB, and I can't find it at the moment.

It's still interesting that the playable .m2ts file on the hard drive and the .m2ts file one the Avatar Blu-ray Disc are exactly 44,897,476,608 bytes. But the seemingly exact file won't play from the disc directly like from the hard drive. I know it's because the file has been decrypted when copied to the hard drive, but ends up being the exact same 44,897,476,608 bytes? It's interesting that encryption doesn't add a single byte to a nearly 45 Billion bytes (or over a third of a TRILLION bits), it's just the key that plays the file bits in a different order? I'll have to study up on this...

No, not really. I say that from experience.


It's my info; he's fighting against it, so you're not going to get any help from him.

Really what you need to do is just rip the disks and make them MP4 files to throw in iTunes. It's what I do, and it's far better quality than the crap available for purchase on iTunes.

Nobody cares about specs. The iPad is the best way to watch videos.

Same with all netbooks. They don't do anything better.

The iPad is better than a cellphone and better than a laptop, but a netbook is not better at anything.

It's not "your" info unless you're caveman, the original author. I'm not fighting against it, I'm just saying this is a huge assed hack and not the equivalent of putting in disc and hitting play as you imply. It isn't.


Ripping the disc is about the only sane option on the mac at the moment. Of course it takes a long time to do. For you this may be simple. For others it's a royal pain in the ass.

Actually, I'd use Mac BluRayRipper Pro except that it seems to have key issues from time to time. I don't know if it will handle the seamless branching discs that MakeMKV had issues with.

Right now I use a standalone Blu-Ray player and tend to buy Blu-Ray discs with digital copy and/or DVD included and rip the dvd/load the dc since 90% of the time it ends up being played back on an iPhone/iPod/iPad anyway. This is a lot faster than ripping the Blu-Ray then running it through Handbrake.

I used to do all that stuff with HTPCs but nowadays I just want a simple solution that my wife can make work. Maybe if I buy a mini with HDMI out I might try plex again.

you provide no points to prove your statement, sorry but whatever you just said is worthless, you didnt negate any of the points i made earlier.



nobody cares about specs? yeah maybe the people that are ignorant to the entire computing industry wouldnt care.

websites are garbage on the ipad, they load slower than almost all netbooks especially ones with an N270CPU and higher, they have no flash making a ton of websites unusable

hell i cant even load mazda.ca your saying not being able to load half the websites is the best expirience? let me guess "just avoid going to those websites" lol

the ipad can only hold 64GB maximum, thats 1 bluray quality movie, totally useless



your going to say that the 80,000 people on http://forum.eeeuser.com/ have all told you personally they hate their laptop, WTF is that website even open still? you make the stupidest points next to bill-g.

ill believe it when i see some hard evidence.

propriatary 30pin to VGA = Ghetto
propriatary 30pin to SD Reader = Ghetto
propriatary 30pin to USB = Ghetto
NO HDMI= Ghetto
NO Ethernet= Ghetto
NO bluetooth obex = Ghetto
NO Upgradable storage = Ghetto
No Upgradable RAM = = Ghetto
Slow CPU = Ghetto

the ipad seems like a childs toy in functionality, seriously how many dongles do you want to carry arround? you obviously dont get any real work done

Did they personally tell you that they love their eeepc and wouldn't take an iPad if offered one? I didn't think so.


Real work? Tell me, what device is it that all the CIO's and CEO's are walking around with these days? Is it an eeepc? No, its an iPad, and they get plenty of real work done with it.

As files get bigger, even burning dual-layer DVDs for people when moving stuff around is becoming limiting. If for nothing else than removable storage they are a good idea. Although, with SD cards getting so cheap and the SD reader built into Macs now...that could be another possible avenue for Sneakernet.

You have absolutely no knowledge of which you speak. Stop now before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

A 1080p movie is 4 gigabytes. If you think it actually takes 50 gigs to make a Blu-ray movie look that good, you need to be committed.


Fixed.


"And I've been trollin' trollin' trollin' trollin' trollin' and trollin' trollin' trollin'..."

Sorry, I don't keep up on the idiotic music of my generation.

Most problems have two solutions. Data storage is a great example. Its not just about making storage bigger, its also about making the content smaller.

As devices limited to solid state memory gain in popularity the market will react to storage limitations and produce ways to either shrink content or store it remotely. "Nature finds a way."

read the comments on that site, alot of them indicated they got a new EEEPC instead of an ipad simply becuase of the usb ports and hdmi ports

also im pretty sure if a laptop, tablet, or anything +$500 was offered for free, people would take it,


the ceo of the company im currently with carries a fujitsu multi touch 12" tablet,
it has all the standard ports of a laptop as well as hdmi, he also has a dock so he can drive a 30" monitor and connect to a bluetooth mouse and KB. the ipad sure as hell cant do any of that, whats important in the corporate world is Exchange/outlook, sharepoint and office.


you seriously think a 3mbps 1080p video is the same quality as a 45mbit 1080p BD? you obviously have no knowledge of what you speak, and btw a good quality BD RIP is 13-15GB (both avatar and terminator rips are 13+ GB and there are still artifacts and blurs in dark scenes becuase of the compression)

a 4GB rip sure as hell aint going to be better



USB >> VGA, SD, USB

does the ipad have a usb port without an adapter? thats the point i was making

tablets dont have ethernet? cant upgrade the storage? cant upgrade ram?

do you have a clue about any other tablets out there fanboy? the t1005m, T1125n, asus t101mt, lenovo s310 and t91m can upgrade all aspects of hdd and ram and they all have an ethernet port

doesnt do 1080p? the archos 101 has hdmi out and has the exact same cpu, apple crippled the ipad and the ATV but they can both do 720p (the samsung humming bird can do 1080p on paper)

the ATV has HDMI but the ipad doesnt. explain that.

you seriously think the samsung 1ghz cpu is fast? do you realize how slow it is compared to a dual core atom N550 1.5GHz or an Atom D525 1.8GHz? that peice of crap doesnt even support 64bit instructions its a cell phone cpu, the Samsung wave has the exact same cpu and it costs $300 without a contract.


you offer no evidence that the ipad isnt slow, over priced, underpowered and worthless in functionality when compared with anythign in the price category

ive provided links and hard numbers, its obvious that fanboys are incapable of this.

maybe reading isnt your strong suite. heres a picture

anyways, getting back to the topic

PC's have the bluray option and can last more than long enough on batteries to complete a 3 hour movie. (acer timelines with BDs can last 4 hours playing 1080p videos)

pc's also have every option that macs have including itunes and netflix streaming

neither Pc's nor android are restricted in anyway on what formats it can play.

sorry apple isnt the winner here.

whats a stupid response, since when the hell has video's SHRUNK in size?

VCD/SVCD (650MB/700MB) > DVD (4.3-9GB) > BD (25-50GB)

streaming videos over a 3G connection is also ridiculous, a 3G connection will never be fast enough to handle BD quality, maybe the last revision of 4G can do it but thats not until 2015

So show us benchmarks of the iPad compared to the other tablets available.


Of course it's faster than phones and slower than a netbook. Compare it with some other products to which it can actually be compared.

the eeepc pictured costs $349 Canadian
the cheapest possible ipad is $529 Canadian

the eeepc pictured shouldnt even be compared, the 1215N with a dual core is closer but still cheaper in price

Jobs said "netbooks are slow", im sorry but the ipad is even worse.

You misunderstand. The EeePC cannot be compared to the iPad. It isn't a tablet. Choosing which of my words to read isn't any better than ignoring information. Either provide reliable tests between other tablet computers and the iPad or simply stop whining and don't buy an iPad.

You work for fujitsu? Nice. Kidding, I almost bought one of these but after 3 other window slates and convertibles I said forget it.


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And yet no link for this metric. I assume it's anand. interesting that the reviewer's final conclusions differ:

Although it doesn't replace any of your existing devices, there are some things the iPad does much better than anything you might own today. Web browsing, photo viewing, reading email, any passive usage scenarios where you're primarily clicking on things and getting feedback, the iPad excels at. You do lose Flash support so if that's an issue to you stop now. But personally, I don't find the lack of Flash a problem assuming that companies like Hulu are working on HTML5 versions of their web portals.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3640/a...tech-review/22

Presumably "anything you might own today" includes the eee pc netbook it was compared against.

Here's a cnet comparison of the ipad vs eee pc 1001P.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-31747_7-20002130-243.html

Yep the 1001 is faster at computation but boot times were faster for the ipad. in the Anand review the ipad had better battery life. For 720p H.264 video playback the iPad lasted 13.6 hours and the Eee PC 5.3 hours. 5.3 hrs doesn't bode well for the run time for blu-ray. Yah, you can get through one movie. Probably.

I'd rather get an ultraportable laptop than a netbook. Yes the atom is slow compared to even the Core 2 Duo in the MBA.

lol yeah becuase only the ceo of fujitsu has a fujitsu tablet, infact i hate fujitsu, their HDd's are pure garbage.

that graph was to proove the ipad cpu is slow becuase its just a regular cell phone cpu (exact same cpu used in the samsung wave that costs $300 without a contract



yeah whatever retard made that article wanted to test a bottom end eeepc thats half the price of an ipad, the 1001 is the SLOWEST eeepc you can buy right now, it only $309 for the basemodel without bluetooth (but still has the N450 cpu)

complaining the eeepc is slow? $300 + $200 SSD (128GB Sandforce SSD) it will boot even faster than this eeepc with a shitty intel SSD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS3eA7Dss_4

compare $499 with $499


the atom D525 (asus 1215n) is about the same speed as the SU9400 used in the MBA 11.6

they both get ~700- 900 passmarks, while a $999 laptop with a quad core i7 gets 3500 marks, you see the performance diffrence? 3500 vs <1000?

but anyways, back on topic, bluray rips, you want to watch 1080p 12GB mkv files? sure as hell aint going to be easy on the ipad, however for both the Archos 101 and Viewsonic G pad, its drag drop and play.

sure then

viewsonic G pad

$379 from sears (out of all places lol)

dual core 1GHz tegra2 (slaughters the ipad's cpu)
512MB ram (double the ipad)
32GB expandable via MicroSD (40GB+ total for $479)
front facing camera (ipad has none)
USB Slave (ipad needs a propriatary cable)
USB Host (ipad needs a dongle)
HDMI out (ipad cant do hdmi)
1080p (ipad cant even play mkv without hacks and voiding your warranty)

First, you're wrong. Video compression has improved greatly over time and the space needed for a video of equal size and quality has decreased over time.

Second, you missed my point. Until now the quality of video content and the bloat that goes along with it has been permitted to increase because storage mediums were also able to increase at the same rate. We are now reaching a transition point there the need to increase quality and bloat is gone and the focus will shift to improving efficiency and saving space and resources. Nature finds a way. Whether it be streaming, compression, or other methods the content will change and adapt to the storage options available on mobile or connected devices.

Proves very little actually given it also depends on workload/efficiency as folks have point out again and again.


It's the one in your chart.


The SU9400 clocks in below the Core i5 520UM and the Core i3 380UM. The D525 is slower than the Inteo Core Solo T1300 and the Intel Mobile Pentium 4 532.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-...=1&wprime_32=1