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Do you mean CJK Input, or CJK Handwriting Input? I mean - can I actually write the kanji characters on the screen and enter text that way? I know they have the Keyboard option - but that is not the same as Handwriting Input.

It's the latter. You can use handwriting, with your finger, or with a stylus, to enter characters on iOS by default.
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But in any case, talking about entering CJK - you would be amazed at how adept the Japanese (and I am sure the Chinese and Koreans too) are, at entering text in their native language, using just the 12-button keypad of feature phones! In fact some are so good at it that they can enter text extremely quickly, and even without seeing the keyboard!

And some people can enter English using T9 faster than you can type, as well. I actually prefer texting using T9, which is why I use a candy bar phone for a phone and an iPod Touch for media and apps. Best of both worlds.
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Imagine everyone's surprise when they actually sold 9000! Leave it to appleinsider to turn even this kind of success into a description of failure.

Apple has sold more than four times the number of iPads in a day than these 9000 Slates HP are rumoured to sell over six weeks.

Obviously the Slate is nowhere near the success of the iPad, to suggest otherwise is a distortion of reality.
post #83 of 134
I'm an Apple fan. But view the comment coming out of RIM as a potential red flag for Apple's PR machine. It doesn't have to be accurate or rational. It's the perception that matters. And there is a growing perception among even some consumers that Apple is becoming an aggressively controlling entity.

For the first time in many years, I've heard comments from a few college students that have gone Android because they are "getting tired" of everything Apple.
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Originally Posted by bedouin View Post

In six months at random on-line tech reseller:

HP Slate prices slashed 50%

In twelve months:

Slate closeout sale. All Slate accessories (are there any?) 90% off!

Don't forget the free set of steak knives ...
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post #85 of 134
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

I'd be more than skeptical. I'd be willing to bet that it's wrong.

5,000 units at $800 is only $4 M - and that even assumes that the retailer doesn't keep any of the selling price.

There's no way HP would develop a product for $4 M. Even if MS did all the software work, the tooling costs, marketing cost, testing costs, and support costs alone would more than eat up that much money.

HP Slate is a piece of crap. How much crap do you need anyway? HP is trying to cut its loss while disguising the failure of Slate by making a small production run. The R&D cost was already spent.

MS sold about as many KIN as HP will sell the Slate... lol.
post #86 of 134
Exactly right. Like what kind of moron would you have to be to put millions into a phone, oh, let's call it a Kin, for example, and then kill it a month later?

I mean, NOBODY would do that. Therefore don't believe the HP figures.
post #87 of 134
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

I wasn't talking about the Slate. Dude, pay attention. I was speaking about the Tab.

Now you can make an argument that iPads are still not selling in Portugal because apple is having trouble in shipping them, so many are being sold in the States, etc. But that's merely speculation. Unless Daniel provides the numbers, I could also speculate other reasons for this. Perhaps Samsung is primarily shipping the Tab in countries where the iPad isn't first, to get those markets before the iPad. Do you have any knowledge about these facts or are you just making shit up, like Daniel appears to be?

iPads are shipping to MAJOR European countries.

Expect yours in 2015.
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post #89 of 134
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

Apple fanboyism strikes again, and who is a greater fanboy than Daniel?

Oh, man, I love you Daniel, but really, how on earth do you know that the Samsung Galaxy Tab was "quickly turned to anticipation of the next model"? Do you have the numbers that they are selling? FYI, they are already selling here in Portugal and I am still waiting for an iPad. Go figure...

It sucks, thats why.

The iPad owns the market. The game has been over for a while.
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Originally Posted by mjoakes View Post

I'm an Apple fan. But view the comment coming out of RIM as a potential red flag for Apple's PR machine. It doesn't have to be accurate or rational. It's the perception that matters. And there is a growing perception among even some consumers that Apple is becoming an aggressively controlling entity.

For the first time in many years, I've heard comments from a few college students that have gone Android because they are "getting tired" of everything Apple.

Lol I'm sure that's a true statement and not completely made up.
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

You would have a point, except that the iPad, iPhone and iPod Touch all have Chinese and Japanese handwriting input, built-in. Or did you not know that?

Go tell melgross. The point isn't whether or not the iPad has it. He was asking, "Who needs it" at all?
post #92 of 134
Microsoft should stop making rubbish to steal our money ... !! JUST DONT release anything rubbish ..PLEASE!
post #93 of 134
9000 companies bought one HP Slate to assess it as an alternative to the iPad in their internal IT procurement assessment procedures.

I don't even know why HP would have bothered making only 5000 of something. Microsoft must have encouraged them.
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post


In this case, it's his desire for the Galaxy Tab to be unsuccessful that makes him report as a fact what was Job's prediction that the tab will be a DOA. That's a confusion. Having the Galaxy S sold like hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Galaxy Tab selling well too. They do have something iPad doesn't have, video-chat. Apart from that, I agree that the iPad is better. But will the public agree with that?

Will the public agree a tablet that 45% the size, non IPS screen and $100 more expensive is a better option?

PS I have played with a Galaxy Tab.
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Originally Posted by JakeBarnes View Post

iPads are shipping to MAJOR European countries.

Expect yours in 2015.

Well thanks for calling me unimportant. I really needed that, you know?
post #96 of 134
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

After announcing that demand for its HP Slate had "exceeded expectations," it has now leaked out that HP only planned to build 5,000 and ended up having to retool to build a total of 9,000 of them.

Compared to the average 46,555 iPads Apple sold per day over the last quarter (during constrained supplies), a total run of 9,000 isn't exactly the kind of demand tablet observers would describe as "exceeding expectations," instead positioning the Slate PC in the same dismal category of failure trailblazed by Microsoft's Zune and KIN phone.

Jointly unveiled by Microsoft and HP at an event just weeks before Apple first debuted the iPad, the HP Slate was supposed to herald a new generation of Microsoft Tablet PCs running Windows 7 under the new moniker "Slate PC," hopefully cutting the connection with the past decade of generations of failed Tablet-sized devices running either Windows CE or the full desktop version of Windows.

Instead, Apple's release of the iPad quenched any enthusiasm for "Slate PCs," sending HP back to the drawing board while other Windows PC makers either abandoned their slate offerings or looked into alternative platforms (including Google's competing Chrome OS and Android OS). HP itself purchased Palm, announcing plans to produce WebOS-based devices over the next year.

Recasting failure as an extraordinary surprise of sorts

This summer however, HP announced it would be offering its existing HP Slate 500 directly to business customers, skipping the consumer market until it could deliver a WebOS offering. It didn't announce that it only planned to build 5,000 of the Slate PC devices.

This weekend however, tech blog Engadget reported that a "trusted tipster" told it that HP "only ever planned a limited production run of 5,000 units" and "apparently had to re-hire production workers just to get the presses printing out tablets again, and are presently placating angry customers by offering them over $100 off their $800 purchase as apology."

On its website, HP euphemistically categorized the tiny production run and its incurring delay by saying, "due to extraordinary demand, the HP slate is on backorder. Orders are expected to ship in 6 weeks. Order now to reserve your place in the queue."



Waiting for an avalanche of iPad competitors

The potential for alternative tablet-shaped products to compete with Apple's iPad has generated intense interest in the industry, after Apple knocked the wind out of the fragile segment and subsequently brought its iPad to market rapidly before Microsoft Slate PCs, WebOS devices, Android slates, and RIM's promised QNX-based PlayBook could arrive.

The segment shattering introduction of the iPad left Apple with a 95 percent share of the tablet market despite the company's difficulties in building enough to satiate demand. Constrained supplies caused Apple to ship fewer iPads than many analysts expected in the past quarter, but the company has already managed to sell 7.5 million devices and create a catalog of over 30,000 iOS apps customized for the iPad by the end of its second quarter of sales.

Apple's chief executive Steve Jobs told analysts during the company's most recent quarterly earnings call that the "avalanche of tablets" that many are expecting is really just a "a handful of credible entrants," and said that the 7 inch screens they were using would result in products that are dead on arrival.

Steve Jobs dismisses the 7 inch tablet

Jobs said that other manufacturers were only using 7 inch screens (compared to the iPad's nearly 10 inch screen) because they lacked Apple's economies of scale, and added that a 7 inch screen is actually only 45% as large as the iPads, insisting that "this size isn't sufficient to create great tablet apps."

A 7 inch screen is "meaningless unless your tablet also includes sandpaper, so that the user can sand down their fingers to around one quarter of their present size," Jobs said. He added that Apple has done extensive research on touchscreen interfaces and what works best for users, which is how it arrived at a 9.7 inch display for the iPad.

Noting that all tablet users already have a mobile smartphone, Jobs indicated that tablets need to be big enough to be differentiated from mobile devices in terms of features. "No tablet can compete with mobility of a smartphone. Pocket size tablets are tweeners," Jobs said; too big for a smartphone and not big enough to work well as a tablet.

Jobs also took a direct shot at Android-based tablets, explaining that "nearly all of these tablets use Android. But even Google is saying don't use Froyo [the current release of Android OS], and instead to wait to use next years' version. What does it mean when a software maker says not to use their release and you use it anyway?

RIM's iPad umbrage

RIM co chief executive Jim Balsillie fired back at Jobs's comments, defending his company's upcoming 7 inch PlayBook tablet without directly countering anything Jobs said, and instead simply dismissing his comments by saying that customers are "getting tired of being told what to think by Apple."

"We know that 7 inch tablets will actually be a big portion of the market and we know that Adobe Flash support actually matters to customers who want a real web experience," Balsillie added.

While critics initially complained that the iPad was just a "big iPod touch," dismissing Jobs' presentation of the iPad occupying a new market segment between full sized notebooks and pocket-sized mobile devices, a variety of mini tablets and jumbo phones are now being welcomed as ostensibly filling an infinite spectrum of niches between standard-sized smartphones and the iPad.

The five inch Dell Streak and 7 inch Samsung Galaxy Tab have both hit the market with excitement that has quickly turned to anticipation of the next model expected to arrive, much like the series of devices held up as iPod-killers since 2002, and the onslaught of phones designated at iPhone-killers since 2007.

HP stinks their quality control is lousy and their customer service is nothing to praise. They bit off more than can chew it looks like now. They will never compete with the i pad period.
post #97 of 134
I expect this is a 'Keep Microsoft happy' product run. Pump out 9k units running Win 7. Then switch to HP Palm Web OS.

Hope they can find a retailer in the UK willing to sell them. Seems like the UK carriers have no interest in the new Pre.
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Originally Posted by pmz View Post

It sucks, thats why.

The iPad owns the market. The game has been over for a while.

Ridiculous. The game has just started. Imagine in the middle of the 70s someone proclaiming that the "game was over", Apple II had "won the war". What kind of person would say this? Someone suffering from chronocentrism, that's who.
post #99 of 134
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

Will the public agree a tablet that 45% the size, non IPS screen and $100 more expensive is a better option?

PS I have played with a Galaxy Tab.

What's your take on it? Is it that bad?

Perhaps it will cater to a group of people that won't like to take 10'' devices with them, and appreciate the mobility of the Tab.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

True, but what if they made 100,000, and people didn't buy them? That would be worse. as a past manufacturer, I can say that making a minimum number is a better bet than making a lot more that may not sell. As we've read, Hp can always make more. But one thing I've read that seems odd, is Hp having to recall the personnel. Are they actually making this themselves, and not having one of their contract manufacturers do it? Why would they do that?

That still indicates an immensely bad plan that would not be typical of HP. You don't invest millions of dollars into a product like this unless you're convinced it's going to sell more than a few thousand units. You define the market, determine what is needed, and so on BEFORE you start developing and finalizing a new product.

If you thought your product was going to sell well enough to justify millions of dollars in expenses, you make more than 5,000.

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You're assuming HP planned to make 5000 all along. They've been developing this for a long time, at least as long ago as last January, when Ballmer announced it. Their plans obviously changed at least once. There was a time when the Slate was rumored to have been cancelled and HP neither confirmed nor denied it. They probably finally realized that the iPad has the lion's share of the market and they couldn't compete in terms of quantity with a Windows 7 tablet. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have other reasons for completing and selling it. It could still be a learning experience for their WebOS tablet, a way to test technologies they intend to use, like the 7" multitouch screen and the cameras. Better to get the bugs out with a small production batch of an insignificant product than to find out about them only when their mass market consumer device is released. Besides, HP customers can be as loyal as Apple's. I know someone in an all-HP shop who was evaluating the iPad for an in-house app for customer field reps. He wasn't happy at all about doing it, calling the iPad a limited functionality toy and hoping for the day the Slate would be released. I'm sure pressure from people like that factored into HP's thinking.

None of that makes sense. HP isn't stupid. Let's say that they had to made a decision in April when it became clear that the iPad was a huge success. At that point, they had to decide whether to proceed with the final development costs, tooling costs, advertising costs, and management costs or drop it. There's no way they would have proceeded if they thought that they would only sell 5,000.

Your argument about trying things out makes SOME sense, but is more justification for making a few dozen prototype units than 5,000 commercial units.
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post #101 of 134
I'm also quite skeptical of the 5000 figure. It doesn't make sense.
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What's your take on it? Is it that bad?

Perhaps it will cater to a group of people that won't like to take 10'' devices with them, and appreciate the mobility of the Tab.

My wife is one. Trust me, she definitely dig this 7" size but she won't buy it unless it's cheaper than iPad, has as good a screen as iPad, and as fast as iPad. Galaxy Tab has none of this despite more RAM and a good CPU.
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There's nothing wrong with wanting it. If 22 years ago, when Apple came out with the Macintosh Portable, at 16 pounds, with low rez B/W screen for $6,500, you asked for a laptop that weighed less than 3 pounds, with a high rez color screen, and wanted it for less than $1,000, people would have thought you were nuts.

If you said you wanted several GB RAM, and a 64 or 128 GB HDD, they would have begun the commitment papers. And if you said that it had to be an SSD with high speed wireless networking, then they would have put you away without finishing the papers.

Who knows what will be available in a few years?

Oh, I almost forgot, that $1,000 22 years ago is about $1800 today, so working back, $1,000 today would be about $560 back then. That would mean that the 11.6" Macbook Air would have had to cost $560 back when the Macintosh Portable came out.

Perhaps Lukeskymac, like many of us, are a little tired of zunx repeated 'what Apple needs' list. http://forums.appleinsider.com/searc...earchid=371266

For example, I see that Zunx has discontinued his repeated call for us to petition, i.e.,
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Sign the petition for the MacBook Air mini:

http://macbookair10.net

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...01#post1733401
post #104 of 134
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

What's your take on it? Is it that bad?

Perhaps it will cater to a group of people that won't like to take 10'' devices with them, and appreciate the mobility of the Tab.

Based on the success of the iPad and the lack thereof of the hundreds of mobile Tabs that have been created, it would appear that 'your' group of people are rather small and have already spoken.

By the way, there are more people that would never take a computer, tablet, iPad, smartphone, etc., no matter how small, powerful or functional they are with them. For them, a pad of paper and a pencil more than suffices, but certainly we wouldn't expect any computer company, including Apple, to make them for them.
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Respectfully, the first time the word "iSheep" showed up in this thread was in your post.

I never said the term had appeared in this thread. Thanks for twisting my words though.

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Heck, I can't remember ever having come across it here before.

Let's see, you've been in this forum since... March this year. And you're putting ALL that experience behind that statement, are you?

So, you're implying that I made the term up. And I'm exaggerating the way the droidbois bash anyone who has an affinity for Apple products.

I think I'll just let those who've been around a bit judge for themselves. But for your education (if that's possible), here's a video of David Pogue (who's been around the scene a lot longer than a few months) doing an imitation of a typical Apple basher. The term 'sheep' is first used about ten seconds in. (Just wanted to let you know in case your attention span is as short as I suspect.)
post #106 of 134
Hey, camera guy, try to keep up! How many times do I have to say it?

LESS THAN 10,000 HUMANS WANT ONE OF THESE THINGS!!!

That's the whole story. It is fail in any language.
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post #107 of 134
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

Apple fanboyism strikes again, and who is a greater fanboy than Daniel?

Oh, man, I love you Daniel, but really, how on earth do you know that the Samsung Galaxy Tab was "quickly turned to anticipation of the next model"? Do you have the numbers that they are selling? FYI, they are already selling here in Portugal and I am still waiting for an iPad. Go figure...

Unfounded Non-Apple Slate Optimism strikes again...
Here's one for you, Luis:
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Originally Posted by ranReloaded View Post

This is JooJoo-grade!

There are/will be bunch of joojoo killers released over a period of time.
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I'm an Apple fan. But view the comment coming out of RIM as a potential red flag for Apple's PR machine. It doesn't have to be accurate or rational. It's the perception that matters. And there is a growing perception among even some consumers that Apple is becoming an aggressively controlling entity.

For the first time in many years, I've heard comments from a few college students that have gone Android because they are "getting tired" of everything Apple.

Yea. I even heard comments from a few college students that there because they are "getting tired" of everything Education.

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RIM's iPad umbrage

RIM co chief executive Jim Balsillie fired back at Jobs's comments, defending his company's upcoming 7 inch PlayBook tablet without directly countering anything Jobs said, and instead simply dismissing his comments by saying that customers are "getting tired of being told what to think by Apple."

"We know that 7 inch tablets will actually be a big portion of the market and we know that Adobe Flash support actually matters to customers who want a real web experience," Balsillie added.

Interesting that Balsillie didn't recognize the market potential until Apple provided a solution.

More interesting, as a Canadian, it is amazing that he doesn't appreciate the fact that our Canadian service providers do not offer unlimited data plans for smartphones or for that matter via cable.

And since when does slow, bandwidth consumption, power devouring and all the other issues with Flash* have to represent real web experience?

Perhaps Balsillie has been looking too long at the world through a small screen.

*http://www.antezeta.com/blog/flash-problems
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Originally Posted by lamewing View Post

It has two things the iPad needs: 1) Stylus input (not the crappy 3rd party stylus) and 2) full Windows 7 handwriting recognition that can handle multiple languages as well as mathematical notation.

WHY CAN'T THE IPAD DO THIS??? So many of use students, polyglots, and artists would kill for a slate that could do this!

Perhaps you should inform the Japanese, Chinese, Arabians, etc., that they can't write in their language on the iPad or iPhone.

You do realize that there are apps for mathematical notations?

As for students, there are some great apps, and my must have recommendations are Dragon Dictation, SoundNote and PasteBot, as well as, TabTyping if you really want to learn how to type over 90 words as minute on the iPad without connecting your Bluetooth keyboard.

Even for polygots…there are apps.

As for artists…
Perhaps you should have warned tell Kyle Lambert before he started drawing his iPad illustrations using Brushes and his finger and made a fool out of himself at the Macworld 2011 Conference.

P.S. Don't forget to scroll. http://kyle-lambert.blogspot.com/

I would defy anybody that they could tell the difference between his iPad and Wacom Tablet works.
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There's nothing wrong with the third party pens for the iPad. I use one when drawing. It works just fine. The problem with Win 7 on a tablet, is that because of the poor interface Windows presents on a tablet, a stylus is required. It's not optional. That's bad, not good.

As far as handwriting recognition goes, what's the big deal here? How many people really need, or want that? Useful, but required? I doubt it.

Bullshit. In comparison to a Wacom capable stylus in conjunction with a slate that has pressure support (the Modbook is an example of what can be done...and Apple could easily have improved upon the idea) you have much less capabilities. As an artist, I like the pressure sensitivity.

If the interface is all that is the problem, then all MS needs to update the interface to allow for true tablet/multitouch/pen support. Maybe a Win 7 phone hybrid with pen support?

What is the big deal with handwriting support? How many people? MANY people I know do. Students who can write versus trying to type on a virtual keyboard. This is especially useful for people who write Kanji, Hangul, or Chinese. In addition, as a mathematics student it is MUCH easier to write an equation versus trying to type an equation.

If you think outside the consumerist box, you will see that such a device would be of great value in the educational field.
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You would have a point, except that the iPad, iPhone and iPod Touch all have Chinese and Japanese handwriting input, built-in. Or did you not know that?

NO NO NO.

There is NO Japanese handwriting built into the iPhone or iPad. You have a romanji keyboard on the iPad and on the iPhone you have a romanji keyboard plus a 10-key kana keyboard. There is NO handwriting support for hiragana or katakana.

Or did you not know that?
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Perhaps you should inform the Japanese, Chinese, Arabians, etc., that they can't write in their language on the iPad or iPhone.

You do realize that there are apps for mathematical notations?

As for students, there are some great apps, and my must have recommendations are Dragon Dictation, SoundNote and PasteBot, as well as, TabTyping if you really want to learn how to type over 90 words as minute on the iPad without connecting your Bluetooth keyboard.

Even for polygots…there are apps.

As for artists…
Perhaps you should have warned tell Kyle Lambert before he started drawing his iPad illustrations using Brushes and his finger and made a fool out of himself at the Macworld 2011 Conference.

P.S. Don't forget to scroll. http://kyle-lambert.blogspot.com/

I would defy anybody that they could tell the difference between his iPad and Wacom Tablet works.

I am a university student (Mathematics and Japanese).

Dragon Dictation isn't 100 percent accurate and does a mediocre job. You must copy/paste what you dictated and then fix all of the problems. It is often faster to just type on the iPad keyboard.

Drawing on an iPad pretty much requires wearing a glove so as not to activate the screen or damage whatever you are drawing...and it has no pressure sensitivity so you are limited to what you can do.

I don't want to type on the iPad, as a student I would like to lean back and take notes just like I do on a notepad instead of being bent over trying to type on that little keyboard. It is also simply more natural to write a mathematical equation than to try and type it or use some hodge-podge kludge of an app. I would much rather use something built into the OS verus relying on a 3rd party to provide a capability that should have been included in the beginning.


Having said all of this, the HP has one advantage over the iPad. The HP slate is an autonomous computer. The iPad could easily be autonomous, but Jobs decided that we should all be chained to iTunes if we want to use the iPad. THIS is the main reason that I walked away from the iPad.
post #114 of 134
Im surprised a single person purchased one of these train wrecks.
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NO NO NO.

There is NO Japanese handwriting built into the iPhone or iPad. You have a romanji keyboard on the iPad and on the iPhone you have a romanji keyboard plus a 10-key kana keyboard. There is NO handwriting support for hiragana or katakana.

Or did you not know that?

Turn on both Japanese language AND chinese keyboard support in your iPhone. Dunno if that works on the iPad. Gives you Kanji anyway.
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I too wonder if hp or Microsoft believed it would be a good idea to release it. I'm betting there's M$ in it.

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You would lose your bet. MS has publicly said that tablets will be based on either the embedded version of Windows 7 or on Windows 8. But of course your view is common in the MS is evil crowd.

He's betting that Microsoft spent money to help HP with their Slate effort. The bet wasn't about whether either company thought it was a good idea.
post #117 of 134
I really want one of these.
My wife owns an iPad, which is a wonderful device (I'm waiting for v2). However, I have an app that runs under Windows and I really need it running on a tablet. I'm currently using an HP Touchsmart laptop. The extra weight and fragility of the keyboard is a problem for my particular application (mixing live sound at concerts). The HP tablet would be perfect -- especially because it's running Windows (which is needed by my app).

I think it was clear from the moment of the announcement that HP wasn't going to sell a ton of these things (nothing like the iPad), but it will fill a niche market that the iPad doesn't address. People laugh at Windows tablets as a complete failure, but they are quite useful for certain niche applications.

I kinda agree about HP quality comments made around here. Anyone who has ever used a Mac Book Pro that tries to type on an HP TouchSmart keyboard is going to immediately notice the difference in build quality.
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I am a university student (Mathematics and Japanese).

Dragon Dictation isn't 100 percent accurate and does a mediocre job. You must copy/paste what you dictated and then fix all of the problems. It is often faster to just type on the iPad keyboard.

Drawing on an iPad pretty much requires wearing a glove so as not to activate the screen or damage whatever you are drawing...and it has no pressure sensitivity so you are limited to what you can do.

I don't want to type on the iPad, as a student I would like to lean back and take notes just like I do on a notepad instead of being bent over trying to type on that little keyboard. It is also simply more natural to write a mathematical equation than to try and type it or use some hodge-podge kludge of an app. I would much rather use something built into the OS verus relying on a 3rd party to provide a capability that should have been included in the beginning.


Having said all of this, the HP has one advantage over the iPad. The HP slate is an autonomous computer. The iPad could easily be autonomous, but Jobs decided that we should all be chained to iTunes if we want to use the iPad. THIS is the main reason that I walked away from the iPad.

So you don't have an iPad?

So you haven't used Brushes? Perhaps you should tell Kyle that you have to wear a glove. Perhaps you should watch Lambert's video. Or are you better than he is?

Dragon Diction on the iPhone or iPad is amazing. Sure you have to proofread, but if you are trying to tell me that you don't don't have to when you handwrite your notes on your PC is bullshit.

Your sense of entitlement amazes me. Like your PC does everything that an iPad can't? That is you use a hand-recognition software on your PC for taking notes and doing math? You don't type on it? The HP slate eliminates relying on 3rd party apps that the iPad iOS should have included in the beginning? Bull.


So you don't have an iPad, because of iTunes? Talk about be self-centered. You are obviously a Mac hater. Perhaps you should be participating on another, i.e., PC site. After all, it seems to me that everything you want would be available there.

Guess you won't be watching tomorrows event. It won't bother me.

By the way, you told us you bought a ModBook. What happened to it and your ThinkPad X61 Tablet PC? Was that bull too?
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Originally Posted by krabbelen View Post

Unfounded Non-Apple Slate Optimism strikes again...
Here's one for you, Luis:
"Toshiba Folio 100 Taken off Shelves in UK"


How on Earth criticizing the making-shit-up-attitude from certain people gets confused by "non-apple slate optimism" is beyond me. I guess it's a fanboyism phenomena.
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Originally Posted by randyhyde@me.com View Post

I really want one of these.
My wife owns an iPad, which is a wonderful device (I'm waiting for v2). However, I have an app that runs under Windows and I really need it running on a tablet.

Me too... waiting for iPad v2. (I will probably buy two or three at once.)

I'm dubious about "full Windows" on a tablet... ever. Either performance will suffer, or power consumption will take a dive. To succeed, they'll need a Windows Slate 7, or something like that. The pipe dream of the full Windows stack is just that.

Microsoft has the right approach in the mobile space by stringently controlling the hardware on which WP7 will run. They'll need to do the same with slates if they hope to make a dent in the tablet space.
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