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Research in Motion has offered a hands-on glimpse at its forthcoming 7-inch touchscreen tablet, the PlayBook, in a new video that shows the device offers Adobe Flash and has superior Web browsing speed to Apple's iPad.

The video posted this week by RIM is entitled "BlackBerry PlayBook and iPad Comparison: Web Fidelity." The video shows the PlayBook loading a number of websites much faster than Apple's iPad.

RIM also touted that their device can run Adobe Flash, demonstrating the interactive front page of adidas.com with the PlayBook. Loading the same site on the iPad shows a message that says Flash is not available on the device.

The video also shows an Acid3 test to demonstrate HTML5 performance of the PlayBook and iPad. Both Apple's and RIM's tablets earn a perfect score of 100 out of 100, though the iPad has a rendering artifact in the top right corner.

Of course, the iPad has already been on the market since April, while RIM's PlayBook will not go on sale until early 2011. Apple is expected to announce its next-generation iPad about the same time.



RIM also hopes to take on the iPad with a competitive starting price of under $500. But the device will also come with a smaller 7-inch screen than Apple's 9.7-inch iPad display.

Screen sizes of tablet devices has been a hot topic since Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs criticized iPad competitors, like the PlayBook, for their smaller 7-inch screens. Jobs said that Apple's own internal testing has found that a 7-inch display is too small to be functional for most users.
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The apparent speed differences could be due to them exploiting differences in caching behavior. It's not exactly a controlled test, it's a propaganda film, so it's hard to determine how much weight should be given to it.
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This is a RIM Job!
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The apparent speed differences could be due to them exploiting differences in caching behavior. It's not exactly a controlled test, it's a propaganda film, so it's hard to determine how much weight should be given to it.

Or it could not. You don't know. The user did type the web addresses manually. The flash part did not look that impressive to me. What was more telling was the supposed Flash killer canvas/js demos which reduced the ipad to a crawl. That needs to improve for ipad 2.0 and if fuel for the fire that canvas+js is not ready to be a drop in replacement for flash yet... at least on mobile devices.
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Or it could not. You don't know. The user did type the web addresses manually. The flash part did not look that impressive to me. What was more telling was the supposed Flash killer canvas/js demos which reduced the ipad to a crawl. That needs to improve for ipad 2.0 and if fuel for the fire that canvas+js is not ready to be a drop in replacement for flash yet... at least on mobile devices.

That's why I said:

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it's hard to determine how much weight should be given to it.

Same applies to the js demos. Obviously these are all handpicked sites. Without independent testing, it's pretty meaningless.
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I won't speak to the performance differences, they are likely using the latest greatest whatever browser whereas the browser on the ipad is getting a bit long in tooth whilst waiting for 4.2 to come out, call me when they test a release version of their browser with whatever is the current ios version when they ship the thing.

What I did want to mention is that gawd awful adidas flash site. All I have to say is thank goodness that mess of a website doesn't come up on the ipad. It's an utter waste of bytes, an wonderful example of "flash" (both literally and figuratively) over function and frankly, good taste. One should note that the iphone version of the site is much nicer but still manages nice graphics and loads way faster (notice the flash animation stuttering along on the playbook, yeah, that gets me excited about flash).
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I won't speak to the performance differences, they are likely using the latest greatest whatever browser whereas the browser on the ipad is getting a bit long in tooth whilst waiting for 4.2 to come out, call me when they test a release version of their browser with whatever is the current ios version when they ship the thing.

What I did want to mention is that gawd awful adidas flash site. All I have to say is thank goodness that mess of a website doesn't come up on the ipad. It's an utter waste of bytes, an wonderful example of "flash" (both literally and figuratively) over function and frankly, good taste. One should note that the iphone version of the site is much nicer but still manages nice graphics and loads way faster (notice the flash animation stuttering along on the playbook, yeah, that gets me excited about flash).

It is a shame 4.2 wasn't the big announcement today.
This video would have been rendered moot.
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Research in Motion has offered a hands-on glimpse at its forthcoming 7-inch touchscreen tablet, the PlayBook, in a new video that shows the device offers Adobe Flash and has superior Web browsing speed to Apple's iPad.

This kind of specmanship is just crazy. Even if the RIM is faster, I'm pretty sure that it will FEEL slower.
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So that's it, eh? THAT is what makes one tablet superior to its competitor? Web browsing speed? Are we supposed to forget comparative screen size (45%?), the device's OS, its track record for stability and reliability, its behind-the-scenes infrastructure (iTunes), etc., etc., etc.?

For my money, I'll take Apple and its proven quality/reliability/customer service record over RIM any day of the week.

Oh, and did I neglect to mention . . . THE PLAYBOOK IS VAPORWARE! Got it? V-A-P-O-R-W-A-R-E! It doesn't exist, except in the minds and friendly hands of the RIM engineers and obsequious sales staff! Just wait until grandma and grandchild get ahold of this thing! Just wait. THEN we'll see how fast it runs, IF it runs, WHEN it runs, HOW it runs, and the like.

Damn, but I get tired of Courier Tabs, Slates, Pink Projects, Zune HDs, and more too numerous to mention. Let REAL, SHIPPING, INNOVATIVE PRODUCTS speak for themselves . . . not VAPORWARE!
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Of course RIM's 'Playbook' is faster it only has 45% of a screen to fill up!

That's the "benefit" of a 7" tablet!

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I won't speak to the performance differences, they are likely using the latest greatest whatever browser whereas the browser on the ipad is getting a bit long in tooth whilst waiting for 4.2 to come out, call me when they test a release version of their browser with whatever is the current ios version when they ship the thing.

The problem is that Apple doesn't update their browser that often.

Chances are that the browser in 4.2 will have an older webkit core than even some of the newly launched androids.
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I suspect that this is what iPad2 browsing will be like. After all, the PlayBook is using a webkit browser (like the iPad), a dual core Arm A9 chip (the iPad 2 will likely run a variation of this) and has a launch time frame similar to the iPad2.

This only heightens my anticipation for the iPad2. Crisp browsing like that on a proven platform will be great. It's a shame that the PlayBook won't be competing with the iPad they just tested it against...
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It's official. RIM is totally out of ideas.
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Of course RIM's 'Playbook' is faster it only has 45% of a screen to fill up!

That's the "benefit" of a 7" tablet!

</sarcasm>

Specifically, the Playbook pushes around 614,400 pixels while the iPad is pushing around 786,432.

But even that is irrelevant because RIM is demonstrating a prototype using pre-production hardware and software while the iPad has been out and selling for 7 months.

When RIM is actually selling a product we can do a comparison. And by the time that happens it will likely be a faster iPad 2 that they will be comparing themselves with.

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Research in Motion has offered a hands-on glimpse at its forthcoming 7-inch touchscreen tablet, the PlayBook, in a new video.

This is not a "hands on glimpse." It's some Canadian dude's hands. If this were a video of RIMM handing some playbooks to a roomful of journalists, THAT would be a hands on glimpse.

For all we know... the playbook they are showing is just showing a video that the dude rehearsed his taps to. We know that in the real world... there is zero chance this will have the multitouch elegance of the iPad.
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I would think that RIM would not dare rig these tests. You cannot keep a secret on the Internet. As others stated, when the same tests can be independently verified, then it can become a fact. For now though, it looks like RIM is quite a bit faster and passes Acid 100%. Also, Flash is something that a lot of people do want.

That said, the Apple ecosystem with App store/iTunes and the iWork AirPrint AirPlay MobileMe etc, still make the iPad much more desirable In my opinion.

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it's funny, it's like the guy does'nt want to show one advantage on the iPad. When he type the web adress, he does'nt use the ".com" button on the iPad.
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We know that in the real world... there is zero chance this will have the multitouch elegance of the iPad.

If you throw enough CPU power into it, you can have multitouch elegance on MS-DOS.
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Yet another "spec" tale to deal with. Reminds me of the old megahertz myth arguments.
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I'm a big Apple fan, but I am actually glad that RIM "appears" to have a nice product getting ready to be released and that they have some apparently quick browser features compared to the current iPad. I always like competition. If Android was not around, we still would probably be missing multi-tasking and copy and paste. Healthy competition will insure that Apple will continue to improve their products to be the best in class. This is how a competitive market should work. Be thankful of competition. The tablet market will be huge and will probably be larger than desktop/laptops in a matter of just a few years, and there will be plenty of room for several Os versions. The best ones will survive and we, the buyers will be the judges with our wallets.
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Anyone notice the shadow around the RIM device? Wonder why it's propped up on the left?
Also, until they actually get one of these in the hands of a "real" person this is just speculation.
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the fact of the matter isthat the RIM product is kicking my iPad's ass. It looks like a legit test to me. The million dollar question is battery. Frankly my ipad has never come close to running out of battery. Also, what is flash doing to the performance of that unreleased product. There are many unanswered questions here, but the demo is impressive so far.
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It is a shame 4.2 wasn't the big announcement today.
This video would have been rendered moot.

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and the PlayBook won't even be available for months to come.
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I always thought that a playbook is a bad thing. In training camp, if the coach asks to see you and bring your playbook, you're off the team.
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the fact of the matter isthat the RIM product is kicking my iPad's ass. It looks like a legit test to me.

you're right. you should go buy one right now.
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Took him a little longer to type on that small keyboard though!
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That's why I said:



Same applies to the js demos. Obviously these are all handpicked sites. Without independent testing, it's pretty meaningless.

Sorry. I was speaking in the global sense.
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So that's it, eh? THAT is what makes one tablet superior to its competitor? Web browsing speed? Are we supposed to forget comparative screen size (45%?), the device's OS, its track record for stability and reliability, its behind-the-scenes infrastructure (iTunes), etc., etc., etc.?

For my money, I'll take Apple and its proven quality/reliability/customer service record over RIM any day of the week.

Oh, and did I neglect to mention . . . THE PLAYBOOK IS VAPORWARE! Got it? V-A-P-O-R-W-A-R-E! It doesn't exist, except in the minds and friendly hands of the RIM engineers and obsequious sales staff! Just wait until grandma and grandchild get ahold of this thing! Just wait. THEN we'll see how fast it runs, IF it runs, WHEN it runs, HOW it runs, and the like.

Damn, but I get tired of Courier Tabs, Slates, Pink Projects, Zune HDs, and more too numerous to mention. Let REAL, SHIPPING, INNOVATIVE PRODUCTS speak for themselves . . . not VAPORWARE!

so iOS 4.2 is vaporware? it is no more real than the Playbook, nor is it shipping, and its innovation is unknown, as it is not publicly available (only in the friendly hands of Apple engineers and beta testers). So by your definition it is vaporware, or does Apple get a special pass?
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I always thought that a playbook is a bad thing. In training camp, if the coach asks to see you and bring your playbook, you're off the team.

But the coaching staff also has a playbook.
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Took him a little longer to type on that small keyboard though!

i thought so too. He doesn't look particularly versed at using tablet computers. after using the ipad for a couple weeks, i'm able to type very close to normal. he doesn't even attempt that; i'm curious to see how well one could type on a 7in screen...it's barely manageable for me for the ipad in portrait mode, so i can't imagine a 7in product in landscape would have major improvements
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I'm a big Apple fan, but I am actually glad that RIM "appears" to have a nice product getting ready to be released and that they have some apparently quick browser features compared to the current iPad. I always like competition. If Android was not around, we still would probably be missing multi-tasking and copy and paste. Healthy competition will insure that Apple will continue to improve their products to be the best in class. This is how a competitive market should work. Be thankful of competition. The tablet market will be huge and will probably be larger than desktop/laptops in a matter of just a few years, and there will be plenty of room for several Os versions. The best ones will survive and we, the buyers will be the judges with our wallets.

OMG! Can we please have a ban on:

"good thing other people are making products so that Apple has competition so it will make better products"...
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OMG! Can we please have a ban on:

"good thing other people are making products so that Apple has competition so it will make better products"...

It really is faint praise and a poor attempt at appearing 'impartial'.
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so iOS 4.2 is vaporware? it is no more real than the Playbook, nor is it shipping, and its innovation is unknown, as it is not publicly available (only in the friendly hands of Apple engineers and beta testers). So by your definition it is vaporware, or does Apple get a special pass?

The fact that a gold master is in the hands of developers would be a significant difference.

Beyond that, the marketing philosophy behind the playbook borrows from the concepts that created vaporware. Announce a product long before anybody can get a hands on demo (their introduction video didn't even show the real product, it showed renderings) in an attempt to keep people from buying from the competitor.
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omg! Can we please have a ban on:

"good thing other people are making products so that apple has competition so it will make better products"...

1984.
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The fact that a gold master is in the hands of developers would be a significant difference.

it ain't "gold" yet because they kept on making changes to it.
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But the coaching staff also has a playbook.

And for my cowboys and texans, it isn't working.
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OMG! Can we please have a ban on:

"good thing other people are making products so that Apple has competition so it will make better products"...

agreed. the rallying cry of the mediocre, the fence sitters, and those too afraid to have an opinion.

really not a problem though. there's no money in that perspective, since they'll be too afraid to buy stock in any tech company.
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it ain't "gold" yet because they kept on making changes to it.

i would question whether that really disqualifies it as a gold master. but regardless, it's irrelevant, because the basic argument is unchanged by the nomenclature.
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I am going to laugh so amazingly hard when, on the day this thing ships, Apple announces iPad 2.

And now that The Beatles are available, that leaves Tool as the biggest iTunes omission.
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