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post #41 of 274
11/16/10 at 2:56pm
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And for my cowboys and texans, it isn't working.

I know, it is sad. I lived in FW for many years.
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post #42 of 274
11/16/10 at 2:58pm
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Originally Posted by halfyearsun View Post

you're right. you should go buy one right now.

Oh sarcasm.

i'm just congratulating RIM on the very fine rendering engine they use for the web. The funny thing is i believe they got the webkit from Apples open source. If that is true, they are implementing it better than Safari, similar to what Chrome is doing to desktop market with Apples Webkit.

I also like the flash, but the jury is out on it.
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post #43 of 274
11/16/10 at 2:59pm
Was the iPad on 3g and the Blackbook on wifi?
Nope, watched it in HD...
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post #44 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by MacRulez View Post

Do you guys really believe there's only one good company in the world, and no one else can ever do anything right?

Man, the Mac community ain't what it used to be....

of course not.

but do you really believe anyone is contributing any semblance of original or provocative thought when they say "oh, this is great because competition will make apple better?"

it's a cop-out...a broad statement that nobody in their right mind would disagree with usually made by posters who are meek and non-confrontational. and it's annoying to hear it so frequently
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post #45 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by MacRulez View Post

Do you guys really believe there's only one good company in the world, and no one else can ever do anything right?

Man, the Mac community ain't what it used to be....

An Emperor who cares for nothing but his wardrobe hires two fanboys who promise him the finest suit of clothes from a fabric invisible to anyone who is unfit for his position or "just hopelessly stupid". The Emperor cannot see the cloth himself, but pretends that he can for fear of appearing unfit for his position or stupid; his fanboys do the same. When the fanboys report that the suit is finished, they dress him in mime and the Emperor then marches in procession before his subjects. A child in the crowd calls out that the Emperor is wearing nothing at all and the cry is taken up by others. The Emperor cringes, suspecting the assertion is true, but holds himself up proudly and continues the procession.

Remind you of anyone?
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post #46 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:01pm
Faster yes, legible on the small screen - NO
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post #47 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by macinthe408 View Post

I am going to laugh so amazingly hard when, on the day this thing ships, Apple announces iPad 2.

And now that The Beatles are available, that leaves Tool as the biggest iTunes omission.

WTH? Tool is not on iTunes?
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post #48 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:02pm
Why is he typing with his fingernail? Just touch the damn thing!
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post #49 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:02pm
If true, that's great. But I still think it is a tough sell against the iPad. iPad gets a lot of things right.
"And just like that, everyone here realizes you're just another sweaty little Google licker with an axe to grind and no idea what he's talking about." --addabox
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post #50 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by stevetim View Post

Oh sarcasm.

i'm just congratulating RIM on the very fine rendering engine they use for the web. The funny thing is i believe they got the webkit from Apples open source. If that is true, they are implementing it better than Safari, similar to what Chrome is doing to desktop market with Apples Webkit.

I also like the flash, but the jury is out on it.

sorry. i couldn't pass up the joke.

also, i realize it sounded a lot more rude than the playful sarcasm i intended. my apologies.
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post #51 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:02pm
[QUOTE=halfyearsun;1753638]The fact that a gold master is in the hands of developers would be a significant difference./QUOTE]

I do not necessarily disagree, but the poster said that he only wanted to believe in shipping products, which iOS 4.2 is not.

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Originally Posted by halfyearsun View Post

Beyond that, the marketing philosophy behind the playbook borrows from the concepts that created vaporware. Announce a product long before anybody can get a hands on demo (their introduction video didn't even show the real product, it showed renderings) in an attempt to keep people from buying from the competitor.

I am not sure what you mean by "long before." They announced the product (yes, they probably should have had a working demo), a month later they showed a working demo, and they are sticking to their release date of March 2011. The thing is, when it was originally announced many posters claimed either (1) it would never be released or (2) it would be a year before it was released. All indications are it is on schedule, and hence, not vaporware.

I do not see a problem with announcing a product to give people pause in their buying decisions. People can make up their own minds - by or not, do they trust the history of the company.

The original poster backhandedly impugned the reliability and customer service of RIM, which has not been known to have issues with either.
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post #52 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by VinitaBoy View Post

So that's it, eh? THAT is what makes one tablet superior to its competitor? Web browsing speed? Are we supposed to forget comparative screen size (45%?), the device's OS, its track record for stability and reliability, its behind-the-scenes infrastructure (iTunes), etc., etc., etc.?

For my money, I'll take Apple and its proven quality/reliability/customer service record over RIM any day of the week.

Oh, and did I neglect to mention . . . THE PLAYBOOK IS VAPORWARE! Got it? V-A-P-O-R-W-A-R-E! It doesn't exist, except in the minds and friendly hands of the RIM engineers and obsequious sales staff! Just wait until grandma and grandchild get ahold of this thing! Just wait. THEN we'll see how fast it runs, IF it runs, WHEN it runs, HOW it runs, and the like.

Damn, but I get tired of Courier Tabs, Slates, Pink Projects, Zune HDs, and more too numerous to mention. Let REAL, SHIPPING, INNOVATIVE PRODUCTS speak for themselves . . . not VAPORWARE!

You seem to completely misunderstand what the term vaporware means. Did you even watch the video? There's a Playbook right there, in the video, and it's not an empty shell or a wooden mockup, it'a a real device which works.

It's also impressively faster than the iPad, which even the most die hard Apple fanatic must find rather impressive. Perhaps for once, fanboys should give non Apple products a chance. You might find that some of them are actually pretty damn good.
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post #53 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by Wonder View Post

Faster yes, legible on the small screen - NO

I take it then you find web browsing on an iPhone/Android/Windows Phone totally impossible then?

I manage fine on my iPhone 4, making use that handy pinch to zoom thing. You should try it. I imagine on the much larger Playbook screen it will work even better.
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post #54 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

You seem to completely misunderstand what the term vaporware means. Did you even watch the video? There's a Playbook right there, in the video, and it's not an empty shell or a wooden mockup, it'a a real device which works.

It's also impressively faster than the iPad, which even the most die hard Apple fanatic must find rather impressive. Perhaps for once, fanboys should give non Apple products a chance. You might find that some of them are actually pretty damn good.

What is there is a prototype not the finished product, it is was finished it would be on sale now.
Who knows what tricks RIM pulled to get the device to operate as fast as it appeared to.

Plus who wants a screen so small? It's tiny!
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post #55 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:08pm
Hi

Rim can thank Apple for the Webkit. ( why don't you build your own! )

Will not sale, maybe 10,000 at most, just wait for iPad V2 blow Rim away
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post #56 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:09pm
Apple has just been punk'd. Get working on the browser, boys!
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post #57 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by bitWrangler View Post

I won't speak to the performance differences, they are likely using the latest greatest whatever browser whereas the browser on the ipad is getting a bit long in tooth whilst waiting for 4.2 to come out, call me when they test a release version of their browser with whatever is the current ios version when they ship the thing.

What I did want to mention is that gawd awful adidas flash site. All I have to say is thank goodness that mess of a website doesn't come up on the ipad. It's an utter waste of bytes, an wonderful example of "flash" (both literally and figuratively) over function and frankly, good taste. One should note that the iphone version of the site is much nicer but still manages nice graphics and loads way faster (notice the flash animation stuttering along on the playbook, yeah, that gets me excited about flash).

As a developer running 4.2 on iPad I can tell you it appears to be same speed as 3.2. Don't get me wrong. For a mobile device it's very snappy.
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post #58 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by kotatsu View Post

I take it then you find web browsing on an iPhone/Android/Windows Phone totally impossible then?

I manage fine on my iPhone 4, making use that handy pinch to zoom thing. You should try it. I imagine on the much larger Playbook screen it will work even better.

I manage great on my iPhone 4 as well, but my iPad is so much better, the 7 inch screen is a cost compromise and users will soon learn that.

There is no need to pinch and zoom on the iPad, web pages a very readable as they are, on a device like the iPad and PlayBook I don't expect to be zooming in and out of the web page all the time to read it, it is nowhere near as nice to use.
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post #59 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by halfyearsun View Post

The fact that a gold master is in the hands of developers would be a significant difference./QUOTE]

I do not necessarily disagree, but the poster said that he only wanted to believe in shipping products, which iOS 4.2 is not.



I am not sure what you mean by "long before." They announced the product (yes, they probably should have had a working demo), a month later they showed a working demo, and they are sticking to their release date of March 2011. The thing is, when it was originally announced many posters claimed either (1) it would never be released or (2) it would be a year before it was released. All indications are it is on schedule, and hence, not vaporware.

I do not see a problem with announcing a product to give people pause in their buying decisions. People can make up their own minds - by or not, do they trust the history of the company.

The original poster backhandedly impugned the reliability and customer service of RIM, which has not been known to have issues with either.

Initially announced in september, 1.5 months later they announce a vague price point. two months and nobody has actually touched one yet. if it's not "long before," then it's pushing it.

Plus, they're making a healthy bet that the product won't be delayed.

granted, the poster took a lot of liberty with the term vaporware. but there are some basic philosophies in common.

If RIM has to push the date back, or raise the price, or adjust some specs, they've already got their core consumer base invested in waiting for it and less likely to jump ship. It's successful business, but from a customer service standpoint, it's risky.

the poster (and others like it) are incorrect in straight out labeling it vaporware. but there are enough similarities to raise an eyebrow
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post #60 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by Wonder View Post

I manage great on my iPhone 4 as well, but my iPad is so much better, the 7 inch screen is a cost compromise and users will soon learn that.

There is no need to pinch and zoom on the iPad, web pages a very readable as they are, on a device like the iPad and PlayBook I don't expect to be zooming in and out of the web page all the time to read it, it is nowhere near as nice to use.

The iPad with retina display will be hard to beat.
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post #61 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by xSamplex View Post

Apple has just been punk'd. Get working on the browser, boys!

Agreed. I for one am glad that RIM is announcing all the targets Apple should have for the next iPad.

As if they weren't already working on a faster product.
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post #62 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:14pm
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Originally Posted by halfyearsun View Post

of course not.

but do you really believe anyone is contributing any semblance of original or provocative thought when they say "oh, this is great because competition will make apple better?"

it's a cop-out...a broad statement that nobody in their right mind would disagree with usually made by posters who are meek and non-confrontational. and it's annoying to hear it so frequently

So your saying rational people need not contribute? I think he gave alot of balance to a thread over-run by a bunch of statist crybaby flakes, such as yourself.
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post #63 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by stevetim View Post

Oh sarcasm.

i'm just congratulating RIM on the very fine rendering engine they use for the web. The funny thing is i believe they got the webkit from Apples open source. If that is true, they are implementing it better than Safari, similar to what Chrome is doing to desktop market with Apples Webkit.

I also like the flash, but the jury is out on it.

I doubt they are implementing it better than Safari. It looks more like simply put the iPad is a single core CPU running at 1Ghz while the PlayBook is using a new dual core CPU at a higher speed. Its no wonder it runs faster. Safari LIVES to run on multi-core processors.
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post #64 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:16pm
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Originally Posted by xSamplex View Post

Apple has just been punk'd. Get working on the browser, boys!


Well you should keep in mind that Apple was at this point in the original iPad development in January of 2010. So after nearly a year RIM has a working prototype using much faster CPU and more ram with a smaller screen and possibly faster wifi hardware. Who knows what kind of battery life they are getting. That is what makes Apple devices so pleasantly usable - It is the proper balance of speed, features, price, with a well thought out interface and a very nice ecosystem.

Taking everything into consideration I'd say they have a ways to go to catch up to Apple.

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post #65 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:18pm
Well, I'm sold!. Where can I unload my iPad for pennies on the dollar?
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post #66 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:18pm
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Originally Posted by applemanfab View Post

Hi

Rim can thank Apple for the Webkit. ( why don't you build your own! )

Will not sale, maybe 10,000 at most, just wait for iPad V2 blow Rim away

And Apple can thank the KHTML people.
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post #67 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:19pm
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So your saying rational people need not contribute? I think he gave alot of balance to a thread over-run by a bunch of statist crybaby flakes, such as yourself.

no, i'm saying spineless people need not contribute.

Also, name calling is not equivalent to logic.

there's plenty of people who are anti-apple and like to trash them and tout whatever iphone/ipad/ipod killer is on the horizon. i for one have no qualms attempting to call them out, not because i'm some religious fanatic, but because poor logic and anti-apple hype isn't particularly good for my stock.

perhaps it does make me a statist (?) crybaby flake. To which i reply, i know you are, but what am i.
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post #68 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:19pm
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I doubt they are implementing it better than Safari. It looks more like simply put the iPad is a single core CPU running at 1Ghz while the PlayBook is using a new dual core CPU at a higher speed. Its no wonder it runs faster. Safari LIVES to run on multi-core processors.

You may be right. We don't know from that little video, but on the desktop any objective user will tell you chrome blows safari away. Not because google is better, but because iOS has apples attention right now. Apples safari updates are few and far between.
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post #69 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by anonymouse View Post

The apparent speed differences could be due to them exploiting differences in caching behavior. It's not exactly a controlled test, it's a propaganda film, so it's hard to determine how much weight should be given to it.

Could also be DNS servers.
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post #70 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:20pm
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Well you should keep in mind that Apple was at this point in the original iPad development in January of 2010. So after nearly a year RIM has a working prototype using much faster CPU and more ram with a smaller screen and possibly faster wifi hardware. Who knows what kind of battery life they are getting. That is what makes Apple devices so pleasantly usable - It is the proper balance of speed, features, price, with a well thought out interface and a very nice ecosystem.

Taking everything into consideration I'd say they have a ways to go to catch up to Apple.

It's been 6 months since RIM bought QNX --- that's quite far away from being "nearly a year".
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post #71 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:20pm
I wonder how the QNX OS compares to Mac OS X/iOS performance wise.

QNX has been running on embedded systems for a while and more then likely is more optimized.

I'd love to compare both kernel and OS designs. I'm have a feeling that the QNX OS is better designed in many respects. It doesn't take much to beat Mac OS X's messaging system,
its pretty dog slow by design. Here are some sample tests (a bit old) but interesting nonetheless:

Ubuntu vs Solaris vs Freebsd

Ubuntu vs Mac OS X

Ubuntu vs Win7 vs Mac OS X

Kernel design really effects performance. I would love to see how QNX compares.
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post #72 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:21pm
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It's been 6 months since RIM bought QNX --- that's quite far away from being "nearly a year".

His/Her point would not be greatly affected if s/he properly substituted "half a year" for "nearly a year."
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post #73 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:22pm
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Originally Posted by halfyearsun View Post

the poster (and others like it) are incorrect in straight out labeling it vaporware. but there are enough similarities to raise an eyebrow

Again, I do not disagree. We shall see what happens, and if they can pull it off. Yes, this is an Apple fan site, and people are betting against RIM.

The thing is, RIM, unlike many other companies, does not really have a history of vaporware IIRC, or seriously missing deadlines as a general pattern, so pessimism is a bit misguided.
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post #74 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:23pm
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Originally Posted by halfyearsun View Post

no, i'm saying spineless people need not contribute.

Also, name calling is not equivalent to logic.

there's plenty of people who are anti-apple and like to trash them and tout whatever iphone/ipad/ipod killer is on the horizon. i for one have no qualms attempting to call them out, not because i'm some religious fanatic, but because poor logic and anti-apple hype isn't particularly good for my stock.

perhaps it does make me a statist (?) crybaby flake. To which i reply, i know you are, but what am i.

According to you, the biggest problem for you is Steve Jobs --- who lost $10 billion because he didn't believe in Apple and gave up that much in stock options.

If you made money off Apple stock, it is because you got lucky --- not because you have some sort of superior business logic.
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post #75 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:24pm
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Originally Posted by samab View Post

It's been 6 months since RIM bought QNX --- that's quite far away from being "nearly a year".

Doesn't matter. But ok let's say it took RIM 6 months to figure out they don't have the chops to do it on their own- better buy some company that does have the necessary talent. The fact is they started out easily a year behind Apple. And with a blue print - an iPad.

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post #76 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:27pm
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I doubt they are implementing it better than Safari. It looks more like simply put the iPad is a single core CPU running at 1Ghz while the PlayBook is using a new dual core CPU at a higher speed. Its no wonder it runs faster. Safari LIVES to run on multi-core processors.

It's a moot point really. It's the experience that matters. Or so I'm told. The specs should be more or less invisible to the operator.
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post #77 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:27pm
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According to you, the biggest problem for you is Steve Jobs --- who lost $10 billion because he didn't believe in Apple and gave up that much in stock options.

If you made money off Apple stock, it is because you got lucky --- not because you have some sort of superior business logic.

Luck usually has a shorter lifespan than a decade.

http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor...apl&CP=0&PT=10
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11/16/10 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by halfyearsun View Post

Luck usually has a shorter lifespan than a decade.

http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor...apl&CP=0&PT=10

But Steve Jobs lost more than $10 billion because of it. The emperor really has no clothes.
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post #79 of 274
11/16/10 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by halfyearsun View Post

no, i'm saying spineless people need not contribute.

Also, name calling is not equivalent to logic.

there's plenty of people who are anti-apple and like to trash them and tout whatever iphone/ipad/ipod killer is on the horizon. i for one have no qualms attempting to call them out, not because i'm some religious fanatic, but because poor logic and anti-apple hype isn't particularly good for my stock.

perhaps it does make me a statist (?) crybaby flake. To which i reply, i know you are, but what am i.

An eye for an eye, you just called the original poster spinless.

What really aggrevated me is seeing this guy, being beaten up for promoting the free market and in-turn accelerating Apples innovation and contribution to society. Its sickening to read posts from people such as yourself that step in and say, "No you must pick a side, your either with them or us". Really? Does Apple pay for your baby-sitter or something? Why are you guys so determined to defend a faceless corporate entity, that doesnt give a damn about you. I would never go out of my way to defend RIM or MSFT and I have family that works for RIM.

Im sorry you went long on Apple at a all-time high, not in 2004, but this thread will not affect your stock price, Apple has a marketing department with a multi billion dollar budget to look after di$#$s like me with an independant thought.
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11/16/10 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

RIM also touted that their device can run Adobe Flash...

Is it really something to tout when it's between "can" vs "can't" & "can" vs "I don't want to" wherein Apple is clearly the latter?
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