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Set the language to "British English" (That doesn't even make sense, ITS JUST "ENGLISH" DAMNIT YOU IGNORANT AMERICANS! )
But yeah.. Set the language to "British English".

Actually, spellings that the British use, like colour, humour, cheque and the like are carry overs from the French occupation of England that began in 1066.

So while the language is called English, it's the English that have bastardized it the most.

And for the last time... there is no extra i in aluminum!
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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

Actually, the main offense is speakers of British English assuming that their dialect is the Mother Tongue and everything else is merely a derivation. If that's the case, then we'd all better apologize to the Germans, since English is derived from their root language, according to linguists.

But perhaps you're the more cunning linguist.

While English is heavily derived from Germanic origins, unlike US English it is a separate language and not, for lack of a better phrase: a seperate dialect of the same language.
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And for the last time... there is no extra i in aluminum!

Unlike most British I agree with you on that point as the discoverer of aluminum did in fact name it as such.
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You only speak English because of the English.


And the British would be speaking German if it wasn't for the Americans.

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post #46 of 106
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Wow. My comment made the whole thread go waaaay off topic I see \

What I meant by my comment was not to insult anyone but simply to point out that "British English" is a double positive, and that "English" being used to refer to the US variant of English is somewhat incorrect and that the system used in iOS 3.x (which used "English (UK)" and "English (US)") was, in my opinion, more politically correct as UK English came before US English.

Apple is somewhat inconsistent in their use of conventions. In OSX, the variants for setting the dictionary are U.S. English, U.K. English and Australian English. Linguistically this is correct. Politically correct, I don't care about.
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post #47 of 106
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

I understand American Spanish, but who in the world speaks "American French"?

As for the wording, British English is "English," so it's definitely not insulting to refer to English as "English" and American as "US English." The US version is after all a variant that came much later, almost like a dialect of the original language.

It's the same situation as "Canadian French." It's a later variant (and quite different in spelling and pronunciation), than the original, thus the name. At the same time, you don't expect the French to rename their language "French French." That would be offensive. So saying that English folks should start referring to their language as "British English" is actually a reasonably insulting thing to do.

However, practically speaking, "US English" and "UK English" are generally non-offensive and totally sensible terms and people don't get upset by their use.

The main offence is really caused when people (Americans) just assume that everyone prefers the American variant (they actually don't, most English speakers around the world use original English spellings). I personally was also a little offended, (and I know others were too), by the world-wide release of a device for writing (the iPad), that didn't contain a simple English dictionary.

Since that's apparently being fixed with 4.2.1 though maybe we should all just chill and forget about it.

That's the silliest thing I've ever heard. Why would the default English for an American designed product not be the American dialect? And, the British should not take offense that English is broken up into dialects. Their dialect is as far removed from the original English as Australian, Canadian, or any other dialect. Languages evolve and change both in the country of origin and outside of it. It is pompous and arrogant to assume the English own the English language. When they invent a product, I fully accept colour, aluminium and all other spellings from the British dialect to be apart of it. Get over yourselves and choose the British English keyboard settings. It should not be an insult to have to choose that. Don't act like you invented the language yourself.
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Originally Posted by Joe hs View Post

While English is heavily derived from Germanic origins, unlike US English it is a separate language and not, for lack of a better phrase: a seperate dialect of the same language.

English is not heavily derived from German, it is classified linguistically as a Germanic language. You could look it up. But I only mention this as a counterpoint to all the silly cultural chauvinism that always seems to crop up in discussions about language. But there I go speaking French again.
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Originally Posted by eightzero View Post

Was pondering this while smoking a fag,

Smoking a fag? I've always heard "blowing a fag".

Might be Kiwi English, though.
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Originally Posted by BuffyzDead View Post

So,

Is the wireless issue on the iPad's FIXED ??

I can confirm that the 2nd gold master of 4.2 for iPad fixed the WiFi issue. It was very evident in the first build, but the second completely cleared it up. i'm downloading 4.2.1 now to see if there are any new developments.
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And the British would be speaking German if it wasn't for the Americans.

some of us would rather that than speak US English, lol.


if you want to bring politics and war into it, maybe the imbecilic brit politicians wouldn't recently have been complicit with their equally idiotic american counterparts in the murder of thousands of innocents - if it wasn't for certain war mongering self obsessed and falsely self-righteous american politicians. oh and maybe the americans should have started fighting terrorists a few decades earlier instead of funding them in ireland.


get off your high horses people, of course English is English, of course US English is a derivative much like a regional accent, but language evolves and changes - English not only has it's roots in german and french but also danish etc. innit. hell, drop a scouser, brummie or geordie in london and most brits won't understand half of what he says without him having to repeat himself slowly. we are not robots. why not embrace change? - maybe we should abolish all dictionaries...
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

I don't have access to the gold masters, thus my question. The iPad currently has British keyboards, but no English dictionaries. Just 'Murican'.

So when you are writing, you not only get squigglies under a bunch of words, the auto-correct tries to 'correct' them all the time which is very annoying.

Of course the iPad has an English dictionary
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We in America spell "Brisith" differently. I didn't realize that this was due to confusion.

Thomas Jefferson wrote about out "Brittish Bretheren" (sic).
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Originally Posted by BadPhysics View Post

This assertion would be more compelling with the word "only" relocated two words to the right.

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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

And the British would be speaking German if it wasn't for the Americans.

And the Americans would be speaking British English if it weren't for the French.
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Originally Posted by Joe hs View Post

Set the language to "British English" (That doesn't even make sense, ITS JUST "ENGLISH" DAMNIT YOU IGNORANT AMERICANS! )
But yeah.. Set the language to "British English".

Pure elitism. Sorry, but there's two distinct versions of English that share the name. It's a simple fact that many use for a sense of superiority.

As for the fact that Apple calls it English and British English. Sorry. It's an American company.
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Originally Posted by Smiles77 View Post

I can confirm that the 2nd gold master of 4.2 for iPad fixed the WiFi issue. It was very evident in the first build, but the second completely cleared it up. i'm downloading 4.2.1 now to see if there are any new developments.

Great !!
Looking forward to your update.

Maybe we can get this back on Topic instead of the useless ignorant chit chat.
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We in America spell "Brisith" differently. I didn't realize that this was due to confusion.

Haha!
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This assertion would be more compelling with the word "only" relocated two words to the right.

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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

I understand American Spanish, but who in the world speaks "American French"?

As for the wording, British English is "English," so it's definitely not insulting to refer to English as "English" and American as "US English." The US version is after all a variant that came much later, almost like a dialect of the original language.

It's the same situation as "Canadian French." It's a later variant (and quite different in spelling and pronunciation), than the original, thus the name. At the same time, you don't expect the French to rename their language "French French." That would be offensive. So saying that English folks should start referring to their language as "British English" is actually a reasonably insulting thing to do.

However, practically speaking, "US English" and "UK English" are generally non-offensive and totally sensible terms and people don't get upset by their use.

The main offence is really caused when people (Americans) just assume that everyone prefers the American variant (they actually don't, most English speakers around the world use original English spellings). I personally was also a little offended, (and I know others were too), by the world-wide release of a device for writing (the iPad), that didn't contain a simple English dictionary.

Since that's apparently being fixed with 4.2.1 though maybe we should all just chill and forget about it.

In pracice, if we, Americans, are misunderstood when speaking French French -- we just repeat ourselves... speaking louder.


Edit: "The French don't care what you do, actually -- as long as you pronounce it properly! (Rex Harrison as Professor Dolittle in My Fair Lady)

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Originally Posted by Dr Millmoss View Post

Actually, the main offense is speakers of British English assuming that their dialect is the Mother Tongue and everything else is merely a derivation. If that's the case, then we'd all better apologize to the Germans, since English is derived from their root language, according to linguists.

But perhaps you're the more cunning linguist.

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some of us would rather that than speak US English, lol.


if you want to bring politics and war into it, maybe the imbecilic brit politicians wouldn't recently have been complicit with their equally idiotic american counterparts in the murder of thousands of innocents - if it wasn't for certain war mongering self obsessed and falsely self-righteous american politicians. oh and maybe the americans should have started fighting terrorists a few decades earlier instead of funding them in ireland.


Sorry. I agree with you but we are in a different era right now. When I was born I was named in memory of my father's best friend who died in ww2 fighting to keep us all free.

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Originally Posted by technohermit View Post

Well, write the OS yourself, release it as English, and be sure to add an "American" English keyboard for us ignorant bastards.



Exactly. If their country could make something like the iPad, THEN they can criticize the USA.
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We in America spell "Brisith" differently. I didn't realize that this was due to confusion.


it's that damn lisp...
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post #65 of 106
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Originally Posted by Joe hs
Set the language to "British English" (That doesn't even make sense, ITS JUST "ENGLISH" DAMNIT YOU IGNORANT AMERICANS! )
But yeah.. Set the language to "British English".
Thanks for the advice, I never tried it before. Very interesting, British English gives me squiggly lines when I type 'dentist' or 'automobiles'

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Originally Posted by mstone View Post

And the British would be speaking German if it wasn't for the Americans.



Yes indeed.

And the Americans would too be speaking German, if not for Stalin. Just saying.
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Thanks for the advice, I never tried it before. Very interesting, British English gives me squiggly lines when I type 'dentist' or 'automobiles'

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it's that damn lisp...

What lithp?

Thith ith thchit!

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What is "other" on the iPad? It kept bloating to the point where it was 4gig. Now with the upgrade it went down to 0.42gig. Please help.
post #71 of 106
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Originally Posted by Joe hs View Post

Wow. My comment made the whole thread go waaaay off topic I see \

What I meant by my comment was not to insult anyone but simply to point out that "British English" is a double positive, and that "English" being used to refer to the US variant of English is somewhat incorrect and that the system used in iOS 3.x (which used "English (UK)" and "English (US)") was, in my opinion, more politically correct as UK English came before US English.

Its not redundant. English is referencing the language not the people. British is a descriptive qualifier to denote which dialect is being referenced. This is common in the English language.
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What is "other" on the iPad? It kept bloating to the point where it was 4gig. Now with the upgrade it went down to 0.42gig. Please help.

Other" should be iOS. How it got to 4GB, i have no idea.
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Originally Posted by Bill-G View Post

Yes indeed.

And the Americans would too be speaking German, if not for Stalin. Just saying.

If you wanted to get technical we would have been speaking Roman (italian/latin?) long before that.

And if that was the case we would have just invaded France and then surrendered.

Hail Mussolini
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Other" should be iOS. How it got to 4GB, i have no idea.

its also, stuff like files stored in goodreader.app or MiTube.app etc.
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Originally Posted by Aeolian View Post

What is "other" on the iPad? It kept bloating to the point where it was 4gig. Now with the upgrade it went down to 0.42gig. Please help.

Probably cached data for one or more of your apps.

Some GPS navigation/mapping programs will store a large amount of data locally to reduce cellular network load (MotionX GPS Drive is one example). Some of the video player apps hog up lots of space for caching/saving content. If you have a bunch of news apps, those are probably caching content for offline reading.

If you are doing any editing (documents, photos, etc.), the apps may be keeping copies of your original/edited files around, just in case. Space issues will be more critical once the iPad gains video recording/editing capabilities.

It all adds up.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

In pracice, if we, Americans, are misunderstood when speaking French French -- we just repeat ourselves... speaking louder.


Edit: "The French don't care what you do, actually -- as long as you pronounce it properly! (Rex Harrison as Professor Dolittle in My Fair Lady)

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Ha, so true. When I was flying home from Paris the security screener was asking me several questions about my trip. Even though she was satisfied with my answers she spent a good two minutes making repeat the name of the town where I had stayed. My pronunciation of St Amand was so bad she would not let me through until I pronounced it correctly!
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post #77 of 106
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Originally Posted by Ireland View Post

You only speak English because of the English.

A lot of the English that is spoken in jolly old England is horribly accented, grammatically incorrect, and often, frustratingly difficult to comprehend.

Only a small piece of the country speaks the Queen's stuff.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

I understand American Spanish, but who in the world speaks "American French"?

The French-speaking province of Quebec is in North America.

They have a very strong accent there and apparently speak some weird version of 17th century French (or so I am told).
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Originally Posted by jb510 View Post

Golden Master doesn't seem to mean what it once did...

Interestingly enough Apple has been using the term "golden master" to describe release candidates since the early 90s so nothing has changed.
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Originally Posted by alandail View Post

you don't need to wait for iOS 4.2, half way through this thread is the solution for the current iPad OS

http://discussions.apple.com/thread....readID=2455605

Here's what they said

1. Go to Settings
2. Go to Keyboards
3. Select International Keyboards
4. Select 'Add new Keyboard'
5. Select 'English (UK)
6. Go back to Keyboards and Select EDIT (top right hand corner)
(you should have 2 keyboards showing now and the bottom one will be English (UK)
7. Drag that one (English (UK)) to the top - first selection
8. Go back to General
9. Select International
(made certain that Language reads ENGLISH and check that Keyboards has 2 registered and that English (UK) is still the first selection.

Thus is not the first time the Prof. has complained and instructed as you have above on how to resolve his issue.
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