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post #241 of 269
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

Funny I had bought iPod touch just to test the water if iOS would be useful to me and you know what? It exceeded my expectation. And considering I'm here for some time my expectation should be pretty high. I don't understand what you meant by "customizing desktop". Do you mean customizing homescreen?

I mean more then just the main home screen. Like the icons along the bottom and the screens to the right and left of the home screen.
post #242 of 269
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Originally Posted by Wovel View Post

"easily replaced" to what... Seriously the market is fragmented, there are many Android phones that can not play Angry birds, most likely even most of them in use today. How is that not a fragmented mess?

easily replaced with other launchers, dialer apps, contacts utility, pretty much you name it.

I'm using Launcher Pro Plus right now. The free version doesn't come with launcher pro widgets, but all third party widgets are available to all launchers, and there are a LOT of widgets out there.

Trust me, the differences Jobs talks about aren't a bad thing. It's insane that people blindly listen to this man about things like this. He knows what he's talking about with a heck of a lot of stuff, but here, he's just playing salesman.
post #243 of 269
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Originally Posted by Bruce Atkinson View Post

I shouldn't have to jail break my iPod to do that. I don't have to root my Droid X to do that. In Jan when I upgraded my iPod to a iPod Touch, I did an experiment. I wanted to see if I could replace my windows mobile device with an iPhone. Once IOS upgraded to 4.0 I determined that I could, with one exception. The customization of the desktop. I wanted to be able to customize my desktop and be free to put on OS upgrades when they become available.

Jail Breaking and Rooting was not an option for me. When it came time to replace my phone in July I got an Android device and haven't looked back. I have the iPod for my music and audio books and my Android for everything else.

I have 181 apps and games on my iPod. On my Droid X I have 139. I'm not looking for anymore apps on my iPod and on my Droid X there is only one that I would like to find. There is one type of app that I use all the time and I can't find a good one for Android. I love CarbonFin Outliner and there is nothing like it yet for the Android.

Right. So you've got one point of differentiation, customizable desktop, that you're not willing to take trivial measures to implement on the iPhone, against which you'll cite number of apps without any concern for quality.

Sound like you're a perfect Android customer. Knock yourself out.
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post #244 of 269
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Originally Posted by davesw View Post

WTF?? ROFL!

The Best Android Fragmentation Example: No Google Search App On Android 2.1


So if they decided to keep their search engine built into 2.2, you wouldn't think this is a fragmentation issue?

I guess it's just so bizarre google is giving people the choice in the default search engine isn't it?
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Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

Yes. Seriously what do you think the problem is. It is basically a platform game, the "physics" of a slingshot hitting something 2D and the thing being hit having a defined weight and centre of gravity and reacting to that is not a big deal in terms of computational power. It runs on the 1st gen iPhone.

Just talking right out of your ass is a talent of yours isn't it?

I wonder what the developers would think seeing you here trying to simplify their work so...
post #246 of 269
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Originally Posted by Bruce Atkinson View Post

I have bought my iPod Touch and I now want to customize the desktop to make it more usable for me. What choices do I have now?


what do you mean by "usable"? you can customize the desktop if you want to. you can create folders, put apps in different places, and change the background picture or wallpaper. you can play with the settings and all. you can't just throw ambiguous words out there and hope that people won't call you out on it. if you think the desktop on the ipod make the device less usable, then you need to stop drinking the android cool-aid my friend.
post #247 of 269
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Right. So you've got one point of differentiation, customizable desktop, that you're not willing to take trivial measures to implement on the iPhone, against which you'll cite number of apps without any concern for quality.

Sound like you're a perfect Android customer. Knock yourself out.

You can't do it without Jail Breaking. I don't call that trivial.

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When you jailbreak or unlock a device, you're changing some fundamental aspects of the system softwareyou know, real low-level stuff. The tools are generally good, and if you follow directions carefully, you should be fine. But if something goes wrongand there is more than one way this can happenyou can suffer data loss, or even brick your phone. Even worse, Apple claims that jailbreaking voids your warranty. You can restore your device to remove evidence that it ever happened, but if the device goes down while jailbroken, you could well be stuck. In addition, jailbreaking does not jibe with the DMCA, and breaks relate license agreements.

The only apps that I put on my iPod and iPhone are ones that I use. I posted the number to show that I use a lot of apps on both the iPod and Android. I don't have any junk apps on my iPod or Droid X.
post #248 of 269
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Right. So you've got one point of differentiation, customizable desktop, that you're not willing to take trivial measures to implement on the iPhone, against which you'll cite number of apps without any concern for quality.

Sound like you're a perfect Android customer. Knock yourself out.

damn, that was a bit harsh. He decided to go with an Android phone, get over it lol
post #249 of 269
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Originally Posted by therealestmc View Post

what do you mean by "usable"? you can customize the desktop if you want to. you can create folders, put apps in different places, and change the background picture or wallpaper.

But you can't have any live information up on your iOS home page/desktop. No clock large and centre (as opposed to the tiny one in the top-right). No notifications. No RSS feeds. No to-dos. No Calendar. Oops! This is one thing that Android and Windows Phone 7 have got right relative to the iPhone. It's a relatively easy thing for Apple to fix so here's hoping they do in iOS 5.
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Right. So you've got one point of differentiation, customizable desktop, that you're not willing to take trivial measures to implement on the iPhone, against which you'll cite number of apps without any concern for quality.

Sound like you're a perfect Android customer. Knock yourself out.

Some people don't like to risk bricking their phones. Once you've jailbroken, is it easy to update to future versions of iOS, or do you have to jump through hoops to do it?
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post #251 of 269
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Originally Posted by therealestmc View Post

what do you mean by "usable"? you can customize the desktop if you want to. you can create folders, put apps in different places, and change the background picture or wallpaper. you can play with the settings and all. you can't just throw ambiguous words out there and hope that people won't call you out on it. if you think the desktop on the ipod make the device less usable, then you need to stop drinking the android cool-aid my friend.

On Windows Mobile and Android devices you can put widgets on your devices desktop/home screen that display live information. On my Android phone I have my appointment information, weather, and todo tasks displayed on my home screen. I don't have to open an app to see them. On my Droid X I have 7 of those screens available and I can put widgets on all of them. On the screen to the left of my home screen I have the whole week of appointments displayed, and on the screen to the right I have some RSS news feeds.
post #252 of 269
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Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

Are you in the wrong forum?

Apparently you missed the sentence where I specifically mentioned that I also own an Ipod touch. Actually, I just bought a new 4th gen for my son. Is it too much to read past the word Evo?
post #253 of 269
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

iOS also has some fragmentation, just not as bad as Android. 3 screen resolutions, 4 generations of processing power on the iPhone, a few on iPod Touches and of course 1 generation of iPads. Different memory sizes.

Again, not nearly as bad, but there is something.

Actually, only 3 generations of processing power, and 2 resolutions. The original iPhone and iPhone 3G both have identical processing IIRC, and there are only 2 resolutions - 320x480, and 640x960.
post #254 of 269
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

GM offers far more models of car than Porsche does. I guess that means GM is a better car because you have more choice.

Of course it does. There are more options that are better suited to the needs of more people, they are more accessible because they are available in more places and cost less, they are significantly easier to get serviced and find parts for, and they have a better track record for reliability.
post #255 of 269
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Originally Posted by Bruce Atkinson View Post

I mean more then just the main home screen. Like the icons along the bottom and the screens to the right and left of the home screen.

OK I have read your replies to others and understand what you mean somewhat. Let me tell you this: it's a pretty weak argument for your big shout about android is all about choice.
First off you can't blame Apple for your lack of research before you bought your iPod Touch, can you? What you said is a known fact.
Secondly, Yes I can customize my homescreen to anything I want and I'm pretty happy with it, I can do it right there on my device or on iTunes if I choose to do so. Once customized everything is in sync.
Does it have live information like Andorid or WP7, of course not. Not a deal breaker for me. Every system has its quirk and if I want I can show you the flaw of Android very easily. And better yet, live information will come, sooner or later. Right now the most important thing for us who use iPhone as a tool to help us is a simplicity of the system. The way you can plug-in your iPhone to computer when you got back home from work and it will call iTunes up, back up your data, sync everything (and I mean "everything") and even charge the phone without a single buttone pushed, the way I can have a peace of mind for at least a couple of years for an OS upgrade, the way the battery last you a whole day...
...and how fast and reliable the system is.
Checking weather? Oh yeah...I'm just a second or so slower than you. Big deal!
No, iOS is not for everyone but again your example is pretty weak if that's your argument for "Android is choice".
Heck, I can customize my Windows any which way I want on my PC and I still can't remember when the last time I changed my desktop background, let alone doing anything else.

How about when Google forced Motorola to cease to use some company's map database as planned? Is that the way the supposedly "all-about-choices" system behaves?
post #256 of 269
Excellent article! Just thought I would mention that.
post #257 of 269
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Originally Posted by davesw View Post

tell me something i don't know.


Android = the Windows of mobile.

Seems to be Android is more akin to "the Linux of mobile," while WP7 is more akin to "the Windows of mobile."
post #258 of 269
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Originally Posted by Quillz View Post

Seems to be Android is more akin to "the Linux of mobile," while WP7 is more akin to "the Windows of mobile."

True that.

Apple is more like the "Apple of mobile", Windows is like the "Windows of mobile" and Android is like the "Linux of mobile".

Not that I think mobile sales will reflect PC market share.
post #259 of 269
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Originally Posted by Mr. H View Post

But you can't have any live information up on your iOS home page/desktop. No clock large and centre (as opposed to the tiny one in the top-right). No notifications. No RSS feeds. No to-dos. No Calendar. Oops! This is one thing that Android and Windows Phone 7 have got right relative to the iPhone. It's a relatively easy thing for Apple to fix so here's hoping they do in iOS 5.

The iPhone has push notification and I only need to touch my calendar app to fire it up. Maybe 2 seconds slower than you but who cares?
The iPhone time is not at the top right but in the centre of te status bar. Try doing some research on iOS before you fandriods come here and boast about the crap OS you're so proud off.
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Originally Posted by ifail View Post

LOLWAT?

If there was a paid version im sure it would sell immensely, but Rovio seems to have been extremely smart and gone the Ad route, which loads an ad on every new stage as you proceed and i believe every other retry. I dont care for Angry Birds because i dont find it to be that great a game but if your average person plays 10-20 minutes a day with a few retries, and there are im sure well over 2+ million players on Android they can easily make much more money than they ever did on iOS.

Also this isnt a fragmentation issue, its a performance one. People reporting issues are those running low tier phones and those listed by Rovio are:

Droid Eris
HTC Dream
HTC Hero/T-Mobile G2 Touch
HTC Magic/Sapphire/Mytouch 3G
HTC Tattoo
HTC Wildfire
Huawei Ideos/U8150
LG Ally/Aloha/VS740
LG GW620/Eve
Motorola Backflip/MB300
Motorola Cliq/Dext
Samsung Acclaim
Samsung Moment/M900
Samsung Spica/i5700
Samsung Transform
Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 mini
T-Mobile G1

If anyone hasnt noticed, these are all old budget phones that have incredibly weak hardware (all of these listed are ARM11 phones with poor GPUs) and as such the games dont run exactly spectacular on them.
Now im sure some astute people will notice that these phones are roughly on par spec wise with the iPhone 3G. Unfortunately Rovio decided for the Android version of Angry Birds to code in OpenGL ES 2.0 while the iOS version runs on OpenGL ES 1.1 (obviously to grab the entire iOS userbase since the 2G/3G don't support it) and thus isnt as intense on the hardware.

This is not the same fragmentation that Android haters love to throw around, it simply doesnt run good on slow hardware. Its like expecting a netbook to perform like a Mac Pro would, lets just be real here, its not gonna happen. This is a side effect of being able to chose what you want.

Some of these phones just came out!! I am putting new games on my nephews Original iPhone and he is playing them with no issues. The droid 2 came out just 8 months after the original, Why??? because it was already showing signs of age. I have had my iPhone 3gs for almost a year and a half and it is still rockin!!
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post #261 of 269
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The iPhone has push notification and I only need to touch my calendar app to fire it up. Maybe 2 seconds slower than you but who cares?
The iPhone time is not at the top right but in the centre of te status bar. Try doing some research on iOS before you fandriods come here and boast about the crap OS you're so proud off.

You do realize he's a moderator?
post #262 of 269
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Originally Posted by Quillz View Post

Seems to be Android is more akin to "the Linux of mobile," while WP7 is more akin to "the Windows of mobile."

not really.

Linux = stable and reliable

Windows = crappy and insecure

Android = crappy and insecure


so No. Android is NOT the linux of mobile.

Android is the WINDOWS of mobile.
post #263 of 269
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Originally Posted by fila97 View Post

The iPhone has push notification and I only need to touch my calendar app to fire it up. Maybe 2 seconds slower than you but who cares?
The iPhone time is not at the top right but in the centre of te status bar. Try doing some research on iOS before you fandriods come here and boast about the crap OS you're so proud off.

Ooooh, I forgot the position of the time in iOS! That completely blew my point to pieces, didn't it?

You make a lot of assumptions. I have neither an iPhone (my partner does, however) or an Android phone or a Windows Phone 7 phone or in fact any kind of smartphone. However, this doesn't prevent me from being able to objectively compare the features of each platform. Support for live widgets on the home page/desktop is an obvious advantage of Android and Windows Phone 7.
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post #264 of 269
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so No. Android is NOT the linux of mobile.

Er, you do realise that Android uses a modified Linux kernel?
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post #265 of 269
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Some people don't like to risk bricking their phones. Once you've jailbroken, is it easy to update to future versions of iOS, or do you have to jump through hoops to do it?

iOS could clearly use improvements on notifications and home screen functionality. I suspect they will come in the next major release if not sooner.

Nevertheless, if it came down to forgoing the high quality app ecosystem of iOS just for home screen customizability, I'd either jailbreak or just not sweat it.
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post #266 of 269
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Originally Posted by davesw View Post

not really.

Linux = stable and reliable

Linux = failure on the desktop (i.e. when used by normal humans).

Saying Android is the Windows of mobile is being nice to Android in assuming it isn't an epic fail unlike desktop linux. Linux's primary claim to fame is dominance in web servers.

Calling it the linux of mobile is more accurate in that it is linux but also unfairly derogatory...

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Er, you do realise that Android uses a modified Linux kernel?

And it killed all the other linux phones pretty much instantly on general release.
post #267 of 269
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

OK I have read your replies to others and understand what you mean somewhat. Let me tell you this: it's a pretty weak argument for your big shout about android is all about choice.

I'm not shouting about Android being about choice. I'm just saying that what people are calling fragmentation is really about choice. I have no problem with it and one of those choices is the iPhone which is an excellent phone.

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First off you can't blame Apple for your lack of research before you bought your iPod Touch, can you? What you said is a known fact.

I'm not blaming Apple for anything and I am an Apple user. I am just saying that I used my iPod Touch to see if it would be good enough for me to switch to an iPhone. It wasn't, but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the iPhone. It just means there are things that I want, that the iPhone doesn't provide. I am quite happy using my iPod Touch and Android phone each day. In fact if you measure the time used, I use my iPod Touch more each day then my phone.

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Secondly, Yes I can customize my homescreen to anything I want and I'm pretty happy with it, I can do it right there on my device or on iTunes if I choose to do so. Once customized everything is in sync.

The key phrase here is anything "you" want. I can't.

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Checking weather? Oh yeah...I'm just a second or so slower than you. Big deal!

I just used weather as an example. I don't care about weather. I like having my appointments and todo's right there visible. It is a big deal for me and why I chose an Android device (the 4.3" screen helped me decide also).

I am a daily Apple user. I sync with iTunes daily. I just happen to have an Android phone and I don't mind if there are even more devices out there to choose from. Bring them on. My phone plan expires in 18 months.

Now if Apple would come out with a 5" iPhone on Verizon with Cydia like features, I'd be all over it.
post #268 of 269
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Originally Posted by davesw View Post

Not really.
Linux = stable and reliable
Windows = crappy and insecure
Android = crappy and insecure

So No. Android is NOT the linux of mobile. Android is the WINDOWS of mobile.

Nope.

No mobile OS is completely the same as any desktop OS, but if we have to draw a comparison then Android is definitely the Linux of mobile... in as much as there isn't really such a thing as Linux per se but distributions of Linux.

Linux is a mixed bag. So is Android.
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Originally Posted by vexorg View Post

If I were an android fan, I would be pretty pissed about the fragmentation, and how some developers have no choice but to develop for the lowest common denominator.

I'd probably be so mad, dammit, that I would post vitriolic messages on iOS forums disparaging iPhones and Apple products in general.

Oh wait ...

lulz!
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