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Originally Posted by Bill-G View Post

With all these problems, it is very surprising that Android is so much more popular than iOS.

Of course it is not. Android offers CHOICE, iOS does not. Fragmentation is overblown by the apple press. As just posted, a skin or UI overlay is not fragmentation.
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Originally Posted by Superbass View Post

If they can create a version of Angry birds that works on a first-gen iPhone running iOS3, they should be able to do the same thing for the Android platform. Blaming "fragmentation" is just using other folks as a scapegoat for their own laziness...

How about instead of getting angry you actually check the source!.

When reading a story on AI I always make a point of tracking back to the original post/tweet/interview etc that the article is based on.

Most of the time there is a pro-Apple/anti-everyone else spin on stories which is fine (and expected) as this is an Apple fan site after all. However far too often AI just make up parts of the article to fit their story.

Just reading AI and not checking the source is like (and take into account I'm not American so I might not be 100% correct on this analogy! ) trusting Fox News as your one source of information on world affairs.
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Originally Posted by vvswarup View Post

I don't know about the breakdowns but I know for sure that Google definitely has high profit margins, significantly higher than those of the Android manufacturers. This is to be expected. It's similar to what's happening in the PC ecosystem. Microsoft has the high profit margins but the manufacturers have no more than a razor-thin margin. By using Windows, manufacturers are robbed of the ability to innovate and differentiate their products. Pretty much the only avenue for product differentiation is on price. That's why PCs are so much cheaper than Macs. There are so many devices out there that aren't that much different. PCs have been been reduced to almost a commodity. Neither Microsoft nor the manufacturers can establish a brand.

The margins for Samsung and other Android manufacturers are not even in double digits, and some are in the negatives. Carriers are handing out Android phones like candy. However, at least with Android, since it's open-source, manufacturers actually have some avenues to differentiate their products, but still, the main point is price. The results is that Google has the high margins while the manufactures are relegated to Foxconn clones, making no more than broken pennies on the dollar.

Google's profit from this are a rounding error in its financials.

If/when it gets reported as a business segment, we'll see. Until then, their claims are worth squat.
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Originally Posted by Bill-G View Post

With all these problems, it is very surprising that Android is so much more popular than iOS.

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Of course it is not. Android offers CHOICE, iOS does not. Fragmentation is overblown by the apple press. As just posted, a skin or UI overlay is not fragmentation.

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Originally Posted by Bill-G View Post

With all these problems, it is very surprising that Android is so much more popular than iOS.

Actually, it's not that surprising. There will always be popularity in things that are cheap and free. And no shortage of suckers willing to suffer with an inferior product and/or experience. Only thing is, now this suffering is called "enjoying openness, freedom and choice" (by joining the Android sheep, ironically).
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This is what happens when you flood the market by whoring out your OS to anyone who can slam together a box.
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

iOS also has some fragmentation, just not as bad as Android. 3 screen resolutions, 4 generations of processing power on the iPhone, a few on iPod Touches and of course 1 generation of iPads. Different memory sizes.

Again, not nearly as bad, but there is something.

Did you fall and bump your head? Or are you just stupid? The subject of the story is fragmentation of the Android OS! What you describe is NOT fragmentation of the iOS, just that there a a FEW different devices, but iOS remains the same across ALL devices with the exception of the iPad but even that is going to go away very soon. Then ALL iOS devices will run the same OS with the exception of the older devices. Android on the other hand, you can get two new phones from different providers and chances are they won't be running the same OS.
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I wonder why there aren't many 500+ or above downloads of paid titles.

Source (Check the graph titled "Distribution of free and paid apps in Android Market")

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Android users don't actually buy apps!? What are all those PAID APPS doing in the market place then? And seeing as how I've bought PLENTY of apps in the few months I've had this phone, I can't take that statement seriously. Buying apps is so easy and they're so cheap, it seems like an even bigger hassle to try and pirate them! KIDS might pirate them, but people with jobs have no reason to.
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post #89 of 269
Another lame story from Daniel that sounds more like Apple propaganda than having any useful content.

Failed to mention the Tweetdeck developer that Jobs referenced as having trouble dealing with the alleged fragmentation. The developer stated that is was NOT a problem, that Jobs was incorrect.

Curious that Daniels lengthy article failed to mention that...

http://www.businessinsider.com/tweet...e-jobs-2010-10
post #90 of 269
The issue is that google is allowing the fragmentation to happen instead of laying their hand down and saying "here are the standards you have to meet" and then leaving it at that. That's what they should be doing. By doing this although it might still look like there is lots of choices and stuff, it all works together. Heck, when there is an update you should be able to get it and not have the phone makers dealy it so that their crummy interfaces have to follow suit. Google should have said "go on and make the interace but you have to meet these X requirements so that we can update the phones when we feel like and we won't break your UI or other stuff.
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"Forgetting Android" is that like "forgetting" that iPads, iPod Touch's and Apple TV's are all iOS devices and as such should also be included with iPhones in the sales figures...

...but that would mean that Android is not "winning" yet, would it not?

The convenience of the "forgotten".

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Platform that matters? Perhaps they are investing time and effort into it because android, by the end of next year, will be much more dominant that iOS. Forgetting android would be like trying to be a leader in computer software and only developing for the mac.... Even if android is more fragmented mobile developers will have to consider it if they want to reach the most people
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post #92 of 269
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Another lame story from Daniel that sounds more like Apple propaganda than having any useful content.

Failed to mention the Tweetdeck developer that Jobs referenced as having trouble dealing with the alleged fragmentation. The developer stated that is was NOT a problem, that Jobs was incorrect.

Curious that Daniels lengthy article failed to mention that...

http://www.businessinsider.com/tweet...e-jobs-2010-10

Lame story from Daniel? Which part of "Rovio just said it, check their blog" you didn't get??

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post #93 of 269
Why are there so many people who despise Apple and it's products parking their carcasses on AI? Are they paid to do so? What do they gain from the constant sniping? They have an automatic gag-reflex with anything pro-Apple or anti-other. I can't understand why they are here except to annoy people, seriously can't you go elsewhere? If you cannot coherently and logically argue your case, I would prefer not to read your posts. Although there is some comedy relief in these ridiculous posts.
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Of course it is not. Android offers CHOICE, iOS does not. Fragmentation is overblown by the apple press. As just posted, a skin or UI overlay is not fragmentation.

iOS offers you the choice between a great phone at three capacities and (soon) two colors, a non-phone device that can run all the same apps without a GPS, also at three capacities including 64GB, the top-rated and top-selling tablet in the world at three capacities, with or without built-in 3G connectivity. Ignoring the white iPhone, that's TWELVE different devices in three form-factors you can choose from.

Android gives you the choice of one or two pretty good handsets, a few dozen mediocre handsets, about 50 crap handsets, and about ten crap tablets, all at different resolutions and with different processors, none of which have higher app RAM than any of the iOS devices, none of which have a significantly faster processor than the iOS devices, and none of which have a higher flash RAM capacity at a similar price than the better iOS devices.

Some choice.

GM offers far more models of car than Porsche does. I guess that means GM is a better car because you have more choice.
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

I wonder why there aren't many 500+ or above downloads of paid titles.

Source (Check the graph titled "Distribution of free and paid apps in Android Market")

That's actually really interesting but it's hard to draw a conclusion without the corresponding graph of the App Store.

Does Apple even release those kind of stats?
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

Actually, it's not that surprising. There will always be popularity in things that are cheap and free. And no shortage of suckers willing to suffer with an inferior product and/or experience. Only thing is, now this suffering is called "enjoying openness, freedom and choice" (by joining the Android sheep, ironically).

Dropping to his level == no points for either of you.
post #97 of 269
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You're clearly not very intelligent, and even after I've explained why they call it an open OS, you continue to post this abortion of thought.

you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that when your device needs "rooting" in order to gain access to certain feature it's called NOT OPEN (aka locked down).

I am not sure how many ways are you trying to spin this, but face the facts already.

There is not one single android phone out there that is not LOCKED DOWN. Even google's own Nexus one is LOCKED DOWN.
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Originally Posted by tonton View Post

GM offers far more models of car than Porsche does. I guess that means GM is a better car because you have more choice.

It does in my case!

Not the best analogy perhaps.
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Originally Posted by Bill-G View Post

With all these problems, it is very surprising that Android is so much more popular than iOS.

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Originally Posted by tjw View Post

Of course it is not. Android offers CHOICE, iOS does not. Fragmentation is overblown by the apple press. As just posted, a skin or UI overlay is not fragmentation.

Android shills conversation recorded.

That's just plain silly. Why would Google pay people that make Android owners look like a bunch of annoying wankers?

If you insist they are shills then they belong to Apple, not Google.
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Originally Posted by White Rabbit View Post

Why are there so many people who despise Apple and it's products parking their carcasses on AI? Are they paid to do so? What do they gain from the constant sniping?

I know, right? I can understand people who like cars talking with other people who like cars, or people who like guns talking with other people who like guns. Or people who like Apple talking with other such people. But to go to such a place for a product you don't like is just sad. Go find something you do like, and stop ruining other people's fun.
post #101 of 269
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Originally Posted by Bill-G View Post

With all these problems, it is very surprising that Android is so much more popular than iOS.

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Of course it is not. Android offers CHOICE, iOS does not. Fragmentation is overblown by the apple press. As just posted, a skin or UI overlay is not fragmentation.

It's not really that surprising to me, Bill. More devices, more people will buy them. Also, it might be relevant to note that phone subsidies are such that while some people will pay for "better" hardware, I don't think most are evaluating software performance at the time of their subsidized hardware purchases. Very few consumers (overall) know the hardware specs like tech geeks on forums might. What may need to happen for the Android marketplace to succeed is to give even more hardware spec transparency to the end user to make these decisions. And then the software devs will need to set minimum hardware/software requirements to run ... just like the PC industry already is today.

Android OS offers choice, it is certainly true, but this is the consequence of having that choice. I'm pretty moderate in terms of these kinds of brand loyalties, but I think fragmentation is a serious issue for Android. It's one reason why I am happy to stay away from for now.
post #102 of 269
For Google to truly follow the MS model, they would have to license the OS. This would give them more say in the interface design, which would influence the hardware design. MS did this with their vendors for every version of Windows. Sure, vendors loaded their shovelware on top, but the Windows desktop and design was consistent. That isn't happening in the Android market right now. IMHO, the Nexus and possibly the G1/G2 phones are the only "real" and "true" Android experience because they keep the basic Android interface on good hardware. I am an iPhone user myself, but I come from the Blackberry side of things, where there is also only one interface. Consistency will win out with users and developers in the long run. The "tinkerers" will always find another outlet (Linux, Android, et al)


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And it's only going to get worse as more and more device makers come out with more and more "differentiated" hardware and proprietary software layers, and Google puts more and more versions of Android out there. Eventually Google may have to "close" the platform and actually sell licenses to Android in order to head off a growing chorus of user complaints over all the incompatibilities. This is the downside to Google using the Microsoft model for platform dominance. It worked for MS because they had a head start in a new market. But with Apple already having established the market and imbued it with its high level of reliability, simplicity and quality, it means the Droid has to fight an uphill battle. Droid may have pulled even in numbers, but the more numbers, the bigger the problems.
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Phone makers should make their own os instead of relying on google android !!
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Buying apps is so easy and they're so cheap, it seems like an even bigger hassle to try and pirate them! KIDS might pirate them, but people with jobs have no reason to.

While I agree that people with jobs have no reason to pirate apps, that doesn't mean they don't.

I work with a guy who walks around about once a month "advertising" that he will jailbreak your iPhone for you for $10. Part of his pitch is that "you could have gotten all those Apps on your phone for FREE if it was jailbroken. Why would you pay for them if you can get them for free?"

His pitch works. He ends up jailbreaking phones all the time. Now he's pushing Android apps for free, too.

Along those same lines, I know plenty of employed adults who download music from LimeWire and torrent their movies.
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post #105 of 269
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Originally Posted by alexkhan2000 View Post

Some people do and some people don't. Why bother posting if it's not an issue to you? There are plenty of industry analysts and the vendors of the handset devices considering this very issue. Samsung recently hinted that it will be focusing more on the WP7 platform than Android in the future. LG is also putting more of its focus on WP7. Why have Nokia, RIM, and HP rejected the adoption of Android? They don't want to be part of the fragmentation chaos. It's also what Steve Jobs repeatedly talked about at the last earnings call.

Yep. Consistency of interface and design. WP7 will prove to be a major threat to Android if MS truly puts its resources behind this and does it right. MS will do what Google isn't doing: provide a much more consistent development platform and UI for programmers to provide apps and services. Apple will still be better at this since they control the whole widget, but WP7 phone will be the one to watch coming up.
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I have an iphone 3g with the latest software too. I would happily swap it for any android phone and I am just waiting for gingerbread to come out before I do. The 3g is the slowest piece of crap phone ever. Apple's code must be seriously bloated to slow my phone down to over a minute to open bloody safari.

PS. Why don't you just install the update http://www.intomobile.com/2010/08/11...ting-handsets/ or root it? Or are you technically disabled?

Boy, you just keep buying shitty Apple hardware that you hate, don't you?
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post #107 of 269
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Of course it is not. Android offers CHOICE, iOS does not. Fragmentation is overblown by the apple press. As just posted, a skin or UI overlay is not fragmentation.

Say the rabid little Schmidt licking Adnroid fan boy. Dance, puppet.
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post #108 of 269
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Of course it is not. Android offers CHOICE, iOS does not. Fragmentation is overblown by the apple press. As just posted, a skin or UI overlay is not fragmentation.

It is if it's Blur and it breaks std Android softkey API expectations...
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PS. Why don't you just install the update http://www.intomobile.com/2010/08/11...ting-handsets/ or root it? Or are you technically disabled?

I have to laugh at this stupid and juvenile post. Please, tell that to my technically-disabled-but-accomplished-dentist wife. She would look at you like you're an alien and ask you nicely "why do I need to serve the phone instead of the other way around?"
post #110 of 269
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Originally Posted by White Rabbit View Post

Why are there so many people who despise Apple and it's products parking their carcasses on AI? Are they paid to do so? What do they gain from the constant sniping? They have an automatic gag-reflex with anything pro-Apple or anti-other. I can't understand why they are here except to annoy people, seriously can't you go elsewhere? If you cannot coherently and logically argue your case, I would prefer not to read your posts. Although there is some comedy relief in these ridiculous posts.

Don't worry about the noise. Just go with the flow. If these fellows leave, others will crawl out of the woodwork to replace them.

Indifference towards Apple could be a worse insult than anger, so be thankful for small mercies.
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Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post

Dropping to his level == no points for either of you.

I'm sorry but sometimes I just cannot let his nonsense stand.
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Originally Posted by ihxo View Post

Yeah, Mac OS is done already, what you call Mac OS nowadays really is NeXTSTEP (Apple edition).

This is both good and bad. Even though Mac OS 9 and before had some limitations in some areas, I miss certain things about it. The things it was lacking could have been added. I think the move to NextStep was more than just moving to a better undercarriage, but it represented, in the minds of users, a giant leap forward because it was such a drastic change - one that Apple pulled off very well.
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GM offers far more models of car than Porsche does. I guess that means GM is a better car because you have more choice.

Porsche, for a very long time, ranked very low in quality on both initial quality and long term quality by JD Powers, who, unlike Consumer Reports, actually goes about things on a more realistic manner. As a matter of fact, they've routinely ranked below many GM brands. Only recently has that changed. Also, as a note, both Buick and Cadillac have routinely been in the top 5 of their rankings.

Just because you pay more, doesn't mean you get more. You pay for the badge, and that's little more than in the minds of the buyer. Porsche's nameplate is based on their racing history, and most of that was in racing American makers weren't even participating in. Ford actually has a more illustrious racing history than Porsche. To me, they're little more than a glorified Volkswagen Beetle that was financed by Adolph Hitler - the biggest mass murder in recent history. That's exactly the humble beginnings from which they came.
post #114 of 269
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Originally Posted by ghostface147 View Post

iOS also has some fragmentation, just not as bad as Android. 3 screen resolutions, 4 generations of processing power on the iPhone, a few on iPod Touches and of course 1 generation of iPads. Different memory sizes.

Again, not nearly as bad, but there is something.

This is a ridiculous, pointless caveat. Of course Apple incorporates technology upgrades and creates new products, so of course developers must account for legacy products using older technologies. That's the very nature of technology. They only way for Apple or ANY company to avoid this would be to produce one product and then never upgrade it. No one would ever do this, of course, since it means you'd sell a product for a year or so and then let your competitors' superior wares stomp all over you. Even developers would avoid a company that did this, since selling upgrades is impossible on a dead (but not fragmented!) platform.

By innovating and upgrading along a reasonably predictable path, Apple creates more opportunity than difficulty for develoipers.

Just a strikingly thoughtless comment.
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Originally Posted by davesw View Post

tell me something i don't know.


Android = the Windows of mobile.

Android = the Windows of mobile + (customized user interface * no. of manufacturers * no. of service providers)

About to join gobs app stores will make the platform easy to use. Imagine there can be malware store out there.
post #116 of 269
Now we know why those birds were so angry! Over Android fragmentation!

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ANDROID = What's the point in being OPEN when your phone is JUNK?

Oh, you're a big boy aren't you?
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Originally Posted by tjw View Post

I have an iphone 3g with the latest software too. I would happily swap it for any android phone and I am just waiting for gingerbread to come out before I do. The 3g is the slowest piece of crap phone ever. Apple's code must be seriously bloated to slow my phone down to over a minute to open bloody safari.

PS. Why don't you just install the update http://www.intomobile.com/2010/08/11...ting-handsets/ or root it? Or are you technically disabled?

seriously, the second person on the comments is claiming to bring a lawyer and file a class action lawsuit for Verizon misrepresenting android's updates/features and other things.

the rest of the comments, I only read most of the first section, its simple UI questions to outright disgust and litigation filings.... NICE ONE!

I know you probably just grabbed the article for the update quickly, as many android users seem to miss the forest for the trees. If an apple product had a fraction of this response to their products the media would be reporting as if the sky had fallen. Android's fragmented mess is clearly not heard like the supposed antennagate. Yet everyday windows PC's experience viruses, malware, malicious code, BSODs and other common issues and that is the cost of doing business.
Android now is serving the mobile void for such yet a niche that windows has just yet jumped into. From fragmentation, to the idiots that let some hobbyist Fandroid open up their mobile device for 10 bucks and forget to change all default passwords, to the people running malicious code behind their android apps. Wait to you have the chinese app store with people running some evil code for some free wallpapers, bam, then the whole internet has access to your private data...
THANX GOOGLE!!

But since you fandroids have Stockholm Syndrome...you will blame the person who bought the android phone in the first place, claiming them not to be technical enough to have a cool phone. lol

like I said, some fandroid will blame the victims for doing what they were supposed to do from verizon or google...lol

UnleashSS 3 months ago:
"Wow, you people bitch so f***ing much about "OMG FLASH ISN'T ON ANDROID 2.2 F**K VERIZON" and "OMG, I HAVE 5 HOME SCREENS I DON'T EVEN NEED." First of all, maybe you should all root your phones and you wouldn't even have this problem. I've had Android 2.2 WAAAAAAAY before it even came out (BuglessBeast v1.3) and Flash 10.1, as well as Hot-spot functionality. So your best bet is to just root your phone, and not be scared of f**king it up. Trust me, it's way better than dealing with this "OTA 2.2" bullshit that sucks ass. By the way, the Android 2.2 OTA update bricked (destroyed, doesn't boot up, froze on logo) a LOT of people's HTC EVO's with Sprint. So I'd be careful if I were you.

Those of you stuck on the "Motorola M" logo or "Droid" eye, it just means your phone is stuck in a BOOTLOOP. EIther because, when the update got installed, it failed to wipe data/cache. All you have to do is reboot into Recovery mode, wipe data/cache and redownload it again. Problem SOLVED! No need to bitch out Motorola, or Verizon for a new phone, or whatever you're complaining about without FIRST doing research on what's wrong with it."

and its on the same blog you referenced...it's comedic gold. I mean guaranteed UnleashSS lost everyone he was "trying to help", it's more likely serious case of passive-aggressive superiority complex being worked out on innocent android captives.

he had me at bootloop...
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Ever wondered why there is no paid version on Android....

[crickets] [crickets]

Might be because nearly everything on the Marketplace is pirated anyways, and Android users don't actually buy apps?

I don't appreciate being called a freeloader. Would you like me to send you my receipts from my Gmail account?
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Phone makers should make their own os instead of relying on google android !!

You'd think that but few companies are as "vertical" as Apple and good at it. With few exceptions, most handset makers just assemble handsets and the OS is an afterthought. Companies like Motorola have always used an embedded (VRTX) or Linux-based OS and customized on top of that. They're not thinking "platform" they're thinking "phone."

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