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Can Ann Coulter EVER Legitimize Herself?

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Ann Coulter (<a href="http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0206/27/cf.00.html" target="_blank">Crossfire Transcript</a>):

[quote]CARLSON: She's never been the shy type, but columnist Ann Coulter has reached new levels of ferocity in her latest book, "Slander", the liberal lies about the American right. In it Coulter slashes a number of media figures -- Katie Couric, Peter Jennings, and a certain bald man on this very set. She joins us tonight from our Los Angeles bureau. Welcome.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello.

ANN COULTER, AUTHOR, "SLANDER": Hi, there.

CARVILLE: Ms. Coulter, you got a lot of things to say about a lot of people in the media and liberal media and even some things to say about the conservative media, but you (UNITELLIGIBLE) some of my favorite topics, gossip and sex. Let me put up a quote from you from the "Washington Post".

She, meaning you, Ann Coulter, said yesterday that "National Review" editor - the "National Review" by the way is one of the most prestigious conservative publications in the country. "National Review" editor Rich Lowry and his deputies are just girly-boys.

So I'd like to ask you about a couple of his deputies and see - get your opinion if he's a girly-boy or not. Is Ramish Purnaru (ph) - is he a girly-boy or not?

COULTER: No, he's a friend of mine ...

CARVILLE: No, girly-boy or not a girly-boy ...

COULTER: ... and an excellent writer.

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: Wait.

CARVILLE: Go ahead.

COULTER: Was that the end of the question or ...

(CROSSTALK)

CARVILLE: No I was asking you, Rich Lowry is a girly-boy? Is ...

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: I was responding to a question about why they had dropped my column, recommending that we take an extra little gander at swarthy men going - flying commercial aircraft in America after ...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

COULTER: ... September 11th and remarking that perhaps they were a bit hysterical in light of the fact that six months later "National Review" came out for racial profiling at airports. I think that is -- and I did accurately describe what was going on, though I have to say a lot of people were hysterical after the war. We - the nation was under attack, so I don't really blame them.

CARVILLE: That's interesting. But I just-we have established that Lowry, in your opinion, is a girly-boy. Is Mr. Purnaru (ph) a girly-boy?

COULTER: No, but I am pleased that you are illustrating an aspect ...

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: ... put together an MTV video, I can put this in it. I wrote a book that has ...

CARVILLE: Right.

COULTER: ... you know, thousands of facts, studies, quotes - 35 pages of footnotes ...

CARVILLE: Right.

COULTER: ... and what you're trying to do is go through and find some quote that will - that will expose me as a wild bigot so that people can just dismiss the idea of the book ...

(CROSSTALK)

CARVILLE: No ma'am, I'm not accusing ...

(CROSSTALK)

CARVILLE: ... I'm not accusing you of being a bigot ...

(CROSSTALK)

CARVILLE: ... I'm accusing you of being a fool. There's a difference.

COULTER: I don't - I have ...

CARVILLE: I don't know if you're a bigot. I do know you're a fool.

COULTER: Oh, I'm a fool. Well let me ...

CARVILLE: Of course you are.

COULTER: ... retract my book then. This is precisely ... (CROSSTALK)

COULTER: ... the problem ...

(CROSSTALK)

CARVILLE: Well I don't care about your book.

COULTER: ... in America.

CARVILLE: Right.

COULTER: And I must say I barely mention you - is the question going on?

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: Sorry, I didn't hear ...

CARVILLE: Go ahead.

CARLSON: Let me address - hello, let me address one of the ideas in your book. I want to read you a quote you wrote - a pretty amusing quote. We'll put it up on the screen.

COULTER: Thank you.

CARLSON: Here it is. "George Bush doesn't actually have to be a penis head for some portion of voters to believe absolutely without hesitation that he is a penis head. That's the beauty of controlling all major sources of news dissemination in America. It ensures that liberals will never have to learn how to argue beyond the level of a six-year old".

Now obviously I agree with the last point. I work on CROSSFIRE. I know. But the first point, that there's this conspiracy, this liberal conspiracy ...

COULTER: Conspiracy is your word, I believe, Tucker.

CARLSON: Well no, but I'm just - that's what - that's the implication, that the press is really sort of in a league with its various parts and that they're aligned against the right. That's a conspiracy. Is that what ...

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: This is why conservatives have to write books. I put things in my own words, which interestingly enough, I find the better words ...

CARLSON: Yes.

COULTER: ... and the point of that is that, as James just demonstrated, we'll be able to use it as a clip for the MTV version of my book. This is how Democrats argue. Instead of engaging ideas, generally you're either an idiot or a fool, as he just called me, or you're crazy ...

CARLSON: Well, wait a second ...

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: ... it's either scarily weird or dumb, and so you can never engage in ideas. That is ...

(CROSSTALK)

CARLSON: Hold on. Slow down ...

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: ... beginning of the chapter.

CARLSON: No, Ann, I'm not accusing you of any of those things - being dumb or ...

COULTER: No, I'm explaining the quote you just ran.

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: You asked ...

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: That is ...

CARLSON: But ...

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: ... the chapter.

CARLSON: OK, the bottom line question I have is you're obviously on the right - so am I, good for you. But, you've done well in spite of that. Doesn't that say something, that if they're - you know, if the liberals do control the media and I think generally they do. They're - conservatives can still vanquish them or rise above or whatever. Isn't that - aren't you a demonstration that that's true?

COULTER: It does say something. What it - what it says something about, and this is an important point, is the great common sense of the American people, despite the constant browbeating, 24 hours a day, on the major networks on all major newspapers and magazines. The American people really have shown an enormous capacity to withstand the propaganda, especially in those media, which I describe as the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) media where they are allowed to choose.

That is the Internet, radio, and books, where conservatives absolutely dominate the list, dominate the top Internet sites, dominate talk radio. When Americans are given a choice, they choose conservatives. They're not given a choice on ABC, NBC and CBS. CARVILLE: Well let's - first of all, I want to - no liberal thinks that President Bush is a penis head. We think he's actually an airhead, but there's a difference between the two. Let's go to your book and let's take a quote out of the book here. Like Catholic schoolgirls engaging in wild promiscuity to prove they aren't fanatics, and we're going to talk about a real liberal here as opposed to some of these pseudo liberals.

Robertson (ph), that is Pat Robertson (ph), consistently takes to most pathetically moderate, establishment positions within the Republican Party. Do you think Robertson is a real liberal?

COULTER: That is so preposterous to take that quote and suggest ...

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: ... where I wrote it that I was suggesting that he was a liberal. I was saying nothing of the sort. That is not the point ...

(CROSSTALK)

CARVILLE: ... is he a pathetic moderate?

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: I'm sorry, I thought you were done with your question.

CARVILLE: No.

COULTER: What's your question?

CARVILLE: I've rephrased my question. You're right, you didn't say I want to be accurate, that Pat Robertson is a pathetic moderate.

COULTER: Are you done with your question now?

CARVILLE: Yes, I'm done.

COULTER: Because you know what? Another way liberals avoid engaging in ideas to constantly, constantly interrupt conservatives on air, to talk over them, to filibuster them. It's as if liberals are afraid if - an articulate conservative position ever escapes into the world it will put a religious hex on them. What are you so afraid of? Let me talk. Let me answer your question. Both of the quotes that you have both just put up really are sort of odd quotes to be using to take them completely out of context ...

CARLSON: Ann ...

(CROSSTALK)

CARLSON: ... hold on. Stop for a sec.

(CROSSTALK)

CARLSON: I'm not a liberal. I'm as right wing as you are. Answer the question.

COULTER: I'm not accusing you ...

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: ... of being a liberal, but first I will describe the penis head quote. That was in the chapter in which I point out that liberals can be deprived of half their arguments if they could never call another Republican dumb. That is the chapter that is detailed in the number of times Republicans, especially presidential candidates, are called dumb. The point I was making in the middle of that paragraph, that sentence there, was that it's on the order of, you know, a six-year old who has been deprived of all capacity to melt logical counter arguments calling ...

CARVILLE: Well you're right ...

COULTER: ... everything a penis head, calling everything stupid.

(CROSSTALK)

CARVILLE: ... but conservatives ramble and you're rambling right now.

COULTER: And on the ...

(CROSSTALK)

CARVILLE: ... ask you the question - I want to ask you the question - Robertson, is he a pathetic moderate? Is that your opinion of Pat? Is he defined pathetic moderate ...

COULTER: That is in a chapter on the religious right in which I've tried to figure out what the religious right was, and from reading through, you know, endlessly, it ultimately comes down to either one man, Pat Robertson, or a majority of Americans, as the "New York Times" seems to define the religious right, anyone who wants his taxes cut and believes in it being even higher than the "New York Times."

My point in going through Robertson's position right there, which I follow up with, is to say that if he didn't go on TV and yap about God all the time, yes he would be Jim Jeffords of Vermont, even be ...

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: ... concerned moderate Republican. If that's what liberals are frightened of, they scare easily.

CARLSON: OK, then speaking of moderates, I mean I think - I think it's actually fair to call the current president, President Bush, a moderate. I mean it's an insult, but I think it's true. Are you disappointed in him, in his endorsement in signing the campaign finance bill, the steel tariffs coming out yesterday in favor of settlements for the partners, the gay partners of firemen and cops in New York, et cetera, et cetera. I mean I could go on. He's obviously not as conservative as you are. Do you feel like he's betrayed conservatism?

COULTER: Oh, absolutely not. I think he's been a great president. I think he's been a fabulous wartime president, as I describe in the book. OK, he sells out on a few namby-pamby issues, but he has been a magnificent leader and most of all, I would say consider the alternative.

CARLSON: Well, that's an excellent point. Ann Coulter, we'll be back in just a minute. Her book is the hottest seller at Amazon.com. Ann Coulter will be right back. We'll ask her how on earth she could compare Katie Couric to Hitler's wife and later pledging defiance to a court order on the Pledge of Allegiance. We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

CARVILLE: Welcome back to CROSSFIRE. Our guest is self- appointed lie detector Ann Coulter, the author of "Slander", liberal lies about the American right.

Well, Ann, let's go to the - to the screen here and put something up or picture or two people here that you talk about in your book. All right, now you recognize one of the people as Katie Couric. You may not recognize - oh, there's a woman named Eva Braun who was Adolph Hitler's mistress and then on the last day of their lives got married and then committed suicide together. You might call that the ultimate shotgun wedding.

Ms. Coulter, in your book you say the affable Eva Braun of morning TV authoritatively informed President George Bush, 41, that the Republican Convention had relinquished too much time to what some term the radical religious right. What is it that Katie Couric and Eva Braun have in common?

COULTER: Well, again, I have to recommend the entire book or at least these entire paragraphs to the viewers. I had just quoted Katie Couric blaming the dragging death of James Byrd on Christian conservatives, a quote which is in full in footnotes only partially in the text. You can look at it on page 238, which I think is an astonishing, an absolutely astonishing statement. So yes, the point I'm making by referring to her as the affable Eva Braun of morning TV right after that, really, I think, rather ugly quote about Christians ...

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: ... is to say that she hides behind her girl scout persona in order to systematically promote a left-wing agenda.

CARLSON: But one of the points you make in the book and I agree with it wholeheartedly is that liberals are embarrassingly quick to compare the right to the Nazis. It's appalling and you hear it all the time and here you are doing it. Now Katie Couric, you know may be annoying. Sure, she's a liberal, but Eva Braun, I mean that's over the top and it's self-discrediting, isn't it? (UNINTELLIGIBLE) I mean that's not fair to compare to Hitler's wife. I mean if she's, again, if she's annoying or too liberal or whatever, but isn't that a liberal tactic to compare her to Hitler's wife? I mean please.

COULTER: No, I think it is not a liberal tactic at all, though it is a liberal tactic to be - pretend to be absolutely humorless, Tucker. The quotes I used for liberals comparing conservatives ...

CARLSON: ... you are calling me humorless Ann? Come on.

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: No, I'm saying - I'm merely - I'm saying what I'm saying. I don't know why I'm always having people say, are you trying to say - you know what you can do if you want to know what I'm saying is listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what I said ...

CARLSON: I tried that ...

(CROSSTALK)

CARLSON: ... I couldn't understand. Come on Ann.

COULTER: That is a liberal tactic to pretend not to understand irony, hyperbolize, sarcasm. The quotes I have of liberals calling Republicans Nazis or comparing Republican policies to the Holocaust of bringing back slavery to throwing women and children off the - off the - whatever it is - they're always being thrown off something - the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) a truck. Those are not said in humor. They are not meant to be funny. They are meant to frighten people.

CARVILLE: So anyway, but if Pat Robertson is a pathetic ...

COULTER: Why do you keep calling the wrong name?

CARVILLE: ... us your idea of who is a good conservative. Who's a good ...

COULTER: Why do you keep calling ...

CARVILLE: ... give us a ...

COULTER: ... him the wrong name? His name is ...

CARVILLE: Pat - I'm dyslexic. (UNINTELLIGIBLE) tell me who a good solid conservative is.

COULTER: Well my book is about liberals. Very few conservatives are mentioned. There are plenty of great conservatives out there and perhaps ...

CARVILLE: Not a girly-boy ...

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: What was the question? I'm sorry.

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: ... done with your question.

CARVILLE: Pat Robertson is a pathetic moderate. Rich Lowry is a girly-boy. Who is a real he-man liberal? I mean conservative - who do you look up to?

COULTER: Is that the question so I can answer now.

CARVILLE: That's the (UNINTELLIGIBLE) man. That's all she is.

(CROSSTALK)

COULTER: Because I'm going to answer, so you don't talk over me now, OK? The answer is there are a lot of terrific conservatives out there and I think the "Today Show" might want to look into having more of them on. I could fax lists to you, to all the network TV for lots and lots of terrific, intelligent, articulate conservatives who might - they might want to consider to replace people like George Stephanopoulos and Dan Rather delivering objective news.

CARVILLE: Let the record show she didn't produce one name. Go ahead, Tucker.

CARLSON: Ann Coulter, thanks so much ...

COULTER: Well there are thousands ...

CARLSON: ... we appreciate it.

COULTER: ... how much time do we have?

CARLSON: Unfortunately, we don't have any. I'd like to hear the list too. Thanks for joining us.

COULTER: Thank you.

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Just read for yourself. She's an ass in the way of progress- never answering the damn questions. On a pretty much balanced show like "Crossfire," she can't even get along with an equally conservative co-host.

She complains of quotes taken out of context for every damn quote. Can't she defend anything she says? There's only so far you can spin calling Katie Couric "Eva Braun" and Pat Robertson a "pathetic moderate."

Anyone who thinks the tag-team of Democratic Carville and Republican Carlson bullied her miss the point. If that is the complaint for every television appearance with at least one democrat then that suggests a definite TREND. Even when the score was 2 to 1 Republicans (effectively), she managed to turn EVERYONE against her and her time-wasting, question-evading drivel.

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(In reference to this thread's title, I don't mean in terms of quantity of books sold. I ask can she redeem herself from her behavior and words)
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she's a stuck up snobby *******
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Let's just say she makes Pat Buchanan look like Ted Kennedy's favorite son.
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Carville is the biggest SOB in the world. I'll throw a party and have a cake decorated with "Hooray! James Carville's rotting ass is in the ground", the day he dies!
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^ And how exactly does that contribute to this discussion? You have nothing on Carville in the context of his discussion with Tucker and Ann on CNN's "Crossfire."
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[quote]Originally posted by BuonRotto:
<strong>Let's just say she makes Pat Buchanan look like Ted Kennedy's favorite son.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> She's one of those FNC cronies who attempt to mislead the American public into believing "Center" is actually much further "Right" than the major news networks would want you to believe. Once again- she called Pat Robertson a "pathetic moderate."

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Jeez, sjpsu...don't you have some homework to do? Or errands to run? Or parties to attend?

Let it go. I've never seen anyone on these boards with such a hard-on for arguing "left vs. right".

Let it go and enjoy your Saturday.

Nobody here really cares. I know I don't; and I'm probably one of the main people you're gunning for, so...

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I think the books idea is great and someone needs to write it. I am terribly sad though that it was her. I watched one of her interviews and she appears to be a stuck up jerk that is not able to argue her point during the interview. Sad. I only wish someone else had written the book
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[quote]Originally posted by pscates:
<strong>Jeez, sjpsu...don't you have some homework to do? Or errands to run? Or parties to attend?

Let it go. I've never seen anyone on these boards with such a hard-on for arguing "left vs. right".

Let it go and enjoy your Saturday.

Nobody here really cares. I know I don't; and I'm probably one of the main people you're gunning for, so...

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This would be a baseless personal attack. I'll take it in good spirit though since I discredited your own anti-left thread.
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You should have seen her on Hardball With Chris Matthews on MSNBC the other night (Chris Matthews was off, I don't know who was filling in). She was acting like a two year old brat because they didn't talk about her book enough. pathetic....
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> I did see that. Former Boston Globe columnist Mike Barnicle filled in for Chris Mathews. Conservatives actually complain that the lady from The Nation and Barnicle "bullied" her.

Sounds to me like legitimizing "fuzzy math" as conservatives did after the first Presidential Debate. (On a side note, I seriously thought Gore kicked Bush's ass. It turned out that Bush simply holding his own was enough for every major network to declare a tie)
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Gore kicked Bush's ass while he held his own. I don't know, but that sounds a bit fuzzy mathwise too.

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not a baseless personal attack at all. just don't see the thrill in constantly stirring the "conservatives are bad" pot.

maybe you need a radio show or daily column of you own?
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I haven't read her book but I have read a couple of transcripts recently with her. (This one and the Today show)

I would have to say that if anything she is proving her point 100%. Each interview basically began with the interviewer taking a well written point, and misquoting, or partially quoting it in an attempt to make the writer look stupid or ill-informed.

In both interviews the amount of time spent on actually trying to get an idea across was next to nil.

She should be much more dismissive of these constant misquotings and just ask about what idea they would like to discuss. The Pat Robertson thing, (which has been quoted ten different ways) is basically the idea put forth from her about the fact that the "religious right" is a group construct created by the liberal media.

I am registered Republican. I even went to the 1996 National Convention in San Diego. If there were a religious right meeting group and place I would probably go to it, but there isn't.

However there are actual groups called NOW, NAACP, GLAD, Rainbow Coalition, AFL-CIO, etc.

The ideas of these groups, the fact that they meet and do have an agenda that they pursue both with ideas and with dollars and the intergrity of their leadership is never questioned. Additionally the effectiveness of the ideas when implemented by these groups is never questioned.

Instead the media will conjure up images of opposing groups on the right side of the political spectrum and use those to justify whatever these groups do on the left and dismiss any wrong or bad behavior as just "politics."

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[quote]Originally posted by sjpsu:
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Sounds to me like legitimizing "fuzzy math" as conservatives did after the first Presidential Debate. (On a side note, I seriously thought Gore kicked Bush's ass. It turned out that Bush simply holding his own was enough for every major network to declare a tie)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Funny, cause I thought Bush clearly won. Gore seemed to avoid questions and roll his eyes too much. But I guess that's why half voted for Gore and half voted for Bush.
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[quote]Originally posted by trumptman:
<strong> she is proving her point 100%. Each interview basically began with the interviewer taking a well written point, and misquoting, or partially quoting it in an attempt to make the writer look stupid or ill-informed.

In both interviews the amount of time spent on actually trying to get an idea across was next to nil.
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It just so happens that every time a quote from her book is brought up, she CANNOT defend it. There is no avoiding the fact that Ann is powerless to defend her own "ideas" set forth in her book. This doesn't suggest misquoting, rather it suggests baseless ideas conjured up with no supporting evidence.

Oh please, you cry that interviewers try to make her look "stupid?" How touching. The fact remains though that all interviewers give Ann the chance to prove a point made in her book, and she gives up that very chance

[quote]Originally posted by trumptman:
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She should be much more dismissive of these constant misquotings and just ask about what idea they would like to discuss.
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Right . So you are conducting the interview now? I'm sorry <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> , but only discussing lofty "ideas" and avoiding statements made in her book sounds fishy to me.

[quote]Originally posted by trumptman:
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The Pat Robertson thing, (which has been quoted ten different ways) is basically the idea put forth from her about the fact that the "religious right" is a group construct created by the liberal media.
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The media IS NOT liberal. Prove that one for me. What does it matter WHO identified a large block of similarily voting Americans. The fact that there is no religious right "group" does not mean it DOESN'T exist.

Have you actually thought your post through?

[quote]Originally posted by trumptman:
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However there are actual groups called NOW, NAACP, GLAD, Rainbow Coalition, AFL-CIO, etc.
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OH, so now there are NO republican groups? I'll let you think about that one.

[quote]Originally posted by trumptman:
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Instead the media will conjure up images of opposing groups on the right side of the political spectrum and use those to justify whatever these groups do on the left and dismiss any wrong or bad behavior as just "politics."
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I knew it. You only watch Fox News Channel don't you?

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Paul.... don't be a hypocrite. You know that you love nothing more than posting about how liberals are sissifying American and we're all going to moral hell and such.

Take your lumps.


Coulter sounds like an idiot. She accuses others of being humorless but then when Carville calls GeeDub an "airhead" he's a 6-year-old?
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[quote]Originally posted by trumptman:
<strong>However there are actual groups called NOW, NAACP, GLAD, Rainbow Coalition, AFL-CIO, etc.

The ideas of these groups, the fact that they meet and do have an agenda that they pursue both with ideas and with dollars and the intergrity of their leadership is never questioned. Additionally the effectiveness of the ideas when implemented by these groups is never questioned.

Instead the media will conjure up images of opposing groups on the right side of the political spectrum and use those to justify whatever these groups do on the left and dismiss any wrong or bad behavior as just "politics."
</strong><hr></blockquote>

What are the American Family Association, Concerned Women of America, Eagle Forum, Family Research Council, Focus on the Family, Traditional Values Coalition, Opertion Rescue, and the National Association of Christian Educators/Citizens for Excellence in Education?
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Whatever your opinion of her, Ann is doing a fantastic job of promoting her book!

But as for her political views. She is just another loud mouth pundit. Simple as that.

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[quote]Originally posted by hegor:
<strong>Whatever your opinion of her, Ann is doing a fantastic job of promoting her book!

But as for her political views. She is just another loud mouth pundit. Simple as that.
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She's getting many tv appearances, but she's doing a terrible job of promoting her book. At least on those shows that dare to question the material she presents.
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Paul.... don't be a hypocrite. You know that you love nothing more than posting about how liberals are sissifying American and we're all going to moral hell and such.

Take your lumps. </strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think I've ever considered anyone "sissifying" anything. I think there is a certain mindet, philosophy or segment of the population that I don't agree with in how they see the world, the nation, politics, entertainment, popular culture, etc.

I post things that I find funny, amusing or - in some cases - maddening and nuts. Things I see in the news or sports or whatever.

If it just so happens that a Ted Kennedy or Barbra Streisand is the subject/focus of the story, that's not my fault.

I seem to recall posting a few things that reflected badly on Bush, Buchanan, Liddy, Limbaugh, conservative talk radio (boring and beaten to death), the GOP, John McCain, Oliver North, etc.

I'm an equal opportunity basher. In my world, everyone, regardless of political stripe, has the opportunity to be an idiot.



I've ragged on more conservatives than some of the liberals here have ragged on members of "their team".

Check the archives if you doubt me...

[sjpsu sprints off breathlessly to read every one of my 1300+ posts to assemble a 13-page testimonial he can pick apart, post by post...have fun!]



I "take my lumps" better than most around here.
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By the way, I don't deny that I see the world through a slight "right of center" prism.

Sorry if that's offensive to some of you. It's just what I believe and how I see things.

Again, those of you who are the other way, I don't pursue around, bugging them about it do I?

post #24 of 50
sjpsu,

Forgive me on not being specific, she may not be defending her material well, but she is selling books. She may only be selling to right-wingers, but those right-wingers need to know her book exists somehow. So her tv appearances, whether she defends herself well or not, is still a free ad to someone in her target audience.
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[quote]Originally posted by pscates:
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[sjpsu sprints off breathlessly to read every one of my 1300+ posts to assemble a 13-page testimonial he can pick apart, post by post...have fun!
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> I appreciate your sense of humor. But, I think I'll pass on that one.
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[quote]Originally posted by hegor:
<strong>sjpsu,

Forgive me on not being specific, she may not be defending her material well, but she is selling books. She may only be selling to right-wingers, but those right-wingers need to know her book exists somehow. So her tv appearances, whether she defends herself well or not, is still a free ad to someone in her target audience.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree.
post #27 of 50
First you say she's doing a terrible job of promoting her book and now you say you agree? first you say Al Gore kicked Bush's ass in a presidential debate you later say Bush held his own in? You mugwumpishly contradict yourself faster than most politicians, sheesh.

<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400046610/" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400046610/</a>

Amazon.com sales rank: #1

Not such a terrible job, in my book.

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post #28 of 50
You all should read David Brock's book.

There are countless passages devoted to Ann Coulter's drunken escapades and rampant fag-hagism.

It's fvcking hilarious.

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[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>Amazon.com sales rank: #1

Not such a terrible job, in my book.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You mean you have a book too, Eugene? Shouldn't you be acting obtuse, obnoxious and calling all of us weenies in front of Larry King right now?
post #30 of 50
Damn, Paul, you're a sensitive soul. You know I've got nothing but love for you!
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[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>First you say she's doing a terrible job of promoting her book and now you say you agree? first you say Al Gore kicked Bush's ass in a presidential debate you later say Bush held his own in? You mugwumpishly contradict yourself faster than most politicians, sheesh.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I apologize for my lack of clarity. While watching the debate with my family, I thought "Gore seriously kicked Bush's ass." Yet, network news declared that Bush simply holding his own was enough to "tie" the debate. I think Bush paled in comparison to Gore, and that news declaration seriously messed Gore up. I mean how do you deal with the fact that Americans lend more credence to the other candidate- almost regardless of what he says?

Concerning Ann Coulter, I can allow myself a certain degree of contradiction. As far as simply promoting the existence of her book, I think she does a good job when only considering her many tv appearances. However, I think she does a terrible job of promoting her book's content. Show me one appearance where a portion of the book's content is criticized and she actually directly responds to that criticism. Every time that I have seen her she continues this weird brand of snobby obstinence regarding any critique of her book. That is just bad promoting in my book. (and no, BuonRotto, I didn't write a book )

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post #32 of 50
My favorite part of any of the debates was Gore "stepping up" to GeeDub while Dubya was talking... hilarious. By Dubya's reaction you could see who would kick who's ass, and at the end of the day, isn't that the one you want as president?

(Anyone got a video clip of that?)

A close second, that horribly disturbing "kiss" between Gore and Tipper.
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You're right. That wasn't exactly a winning move by Gore. I can't figure you out Groverat. You seem more centrist than Mr. "slightly right of center" himself, Pscates.
post #34 of 50
Hope the cunt dies a painful (yet conservative) death.
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[quote]I can't figure you out Groverat.<hr></blockquote>

Join the club, I'm the president.

I'm fairly moderate, I try not to take sides on anything but issues and I'll change my mind on some stances when compelled. Makes me a pain in the ass to debate.
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post #36 of 50
Actually, I think groverat is a bit right of center (in the McCain style of Republican) and pscates is conservative.

An no, no political pundit can redeem themselves for selling out their rationality in favor of blind political ideology. None. None that I have seen at least. They make large sums of money doing this too.
post #37 of 50
[quote]Originally posted by THT:
<strong>...and pscates is conservative.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, but still quite a helluva guy and an all-around swell fella, despite that horrific bit of info. Just ask around!

post #38 of 50
I think THT is a dirty commie liberal.

Make that,
I think THT is a robot.

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post #39 of 50
Here's another good book on how screwed up America's media and America itself is. "Ten Things You Can't Say in America" by Larry Elder
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post #40 of 50
Careful groverat, I'll sick some Aggies on your tail.

And pscates too, I know some UCSD rocket science chicks, and I'll send them to convert you from your artist-conservative ways. Bwahaha... bwahaha... BWAHAHAHAHA!
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