Originally Posted by wizard69
Well obviously I just did! Aspect ratio is very important if one of your primary use cases is the delivery of video and movies. Obviously there is no perfect aspect ratio, but the point is wider would have been smarter on the iPad.
If it were mostly for looking at movies. Since it's not, widescreen would have compromised many other applications in favor of one.
Actually a wider aspect ratio is good for a number of things including viewing of pics, reading a column of text, certain types of games, apps that leverage a wide screen (IDEs) and others. There is really very little to defend with respect to the 4:3 ratio.
Wow. Did you get a certain sinking feeling while you were typing that? Because it must have occurred to you, as it would to anyone reading that list, that you're just strenuously pretending.
Pictures are not better on a wide screen, you have to shrink or crop to fit them in. A column of text is typically part of multiple columns and or images on a full page layout, which is better on the iPad. "Certain games"? Care to name one? "Apps that leverage widescreen"? Care to name one? And yes, I suppose an app specifically written to an aspect ratio is going to fare better on that aspect ratio than another, how is that a selling point?
Don't be dense you would actually be increasing usability especially as the screen becomes smaller. For example grab an iPhone and type in text into this very dialog box. You get constant scrolling in horizontal orientation. The easiest way to improve iPhone, without blowing it up size wise is to give it a wider screen.
The same physical realities are at work when you are dealing with sub seven inch displays. You need one orientation that is much wider than the other to realize effective UI elements like keyboards.
You're making the case for rendering a 7" screen somewhat more usable, not for why the iPad needs to be widescreen. I don't think anyone is arguing that HTC should make a 4:3 7" tablet.
Yep and everyone of those text delivery formats works better on a taller screen. Especially on a small device. Think about newspapers and their centuries of experience with columns of text. Papers are arrainged the way they are because it enhances readability as would a wide screen display offer up text in vertical mode. The science here is very clear. Just because Apple effectively markets it's choice of aspect ratios doesn't mean that that ratio is a good solution from the human factors perspective.
Yikes, again with the crazy talk. If widescreen layouts are so desirable, why don't newspapers come in long tall strips?
The fact is that books, magazines, newspapers, flyers, brochures, pamphlets and, critically, web pages
all tend closer to 4:3 than widescreen, because narrow columns feel constrained. Yes, text may be laid out in columns as an element on a page. The iPad lets me look at the whole page. You're trying to argue that there's something wonderful in being forced to only look at the constituent elements, one at a time. As I say, crazy talk.
Again I have to question if you really know what you are talking about. Have you looked at a 35mm negative? The closest format to paper size is or was the 6x7 cm format, other formats are far from 4:3 and some where square. Pics are often printed on common paper sizes but even those vary a bit in aspect ratios
OK, so which common film format is closer to 16:9, again?
Exactly! How would you type up notes on a sub seven in device without it being wide screen? The keyboard would still be a compromise but would be significantly wider, in horizontal mode, than a keyboard on a 4:3 ratio device.
Again, an argument for how to make a 7" screen have some utility, not for why the iPad needs to go widescreen.
Like a steno pad? If you want something bigger then you have more options, but as devices get smaller usability goes out the window with 4:3 aspect ratios. Besides ask yourself this; in a notebook what is the aspect ratio of the working surface?
And again. Also, 8.5x11, which is what I consider the working surface of a notebook, is far closer to 4:3 than 16:9, so I'm not sure what your point is.
Or turn it vertically and user reader mode to read the text like you would in a newspaper. I'm not sure why you are struggling so much here, it is pretty simple really.
Surprisingly, I don't carry a little vertical mask so as to read newspapers a column at a time with no awareness of anything surrounding.
Nope not at all, what we are looking at is the human factors issues that have been with us for thousands of years now when it comes to reading text. Plus the smarter media delivery that comes with a wide screen.
Good lord. It's like talking to someone from an alternate world. Where are all these long and tall text delivery systems? Why isn't the standard paper size something like 12X7 instead of 11 x 8.5?
You mis a couple of important points. First there are billions of people on the planet. Second there are millions of those that buy whatever Apple feeds them. Some even bought AppleTVs. Beyound that we really don't know what Apple tested or what they intend to deliver on other devices. Apple could deliver a wide screen device and simply call it a video iPod.
Ah, the old "it's only popular because of Apple's mysterious powers of hypnosis" canard. No need to pay any mind to the available evidence, it's all smoke and mirrors.
As for developers and apps, they have been fitting apps to the available tech since the start of the computer age. In a very literal sense you work with what you have be that a TTY, an 80x20 text display or an OpenGL driven display. In this case developers see a platform that they can make lots of money on so they optimize for the device, which should surprise no one.
Which is why Samsung should make an 6 x 14 tablet. It will give us even more of that wonderful column goodness, and app developers will simply adapt.