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post #1 of 106
11/29/10 at 8:32am
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Google's Android mobile operating system will pass Apple's iOS and Nokia's Symbian in 2011 to become the top smartphone platform in all of Europe, IDC has predicted.

IDC analyst Francisco Jeronimo told Bloomberg that Android, which was nipping at the heels of Apple's iOS in the third quarter of 2010, will likely surpass both Apple and Nokia next year. In the last quarter, Nokia's Symbian represented 34 percent of smartphone sales in Western Europe, the iPhone was 24 percent, and Android was 23 percent.

"The iPhone was last year's hot device and now people are looking for something different," Jeronimo reportedly said. He added that he believes the new Samsung Galaxy S offers a similar experience to the iPhone at a lower price.

Samsung was propelled by the launch of the Galaxy S last quarter, helping it achieve 14 percent of Android-based handset shipments. HTC was the Android leader in Europe representing 39 percent, followed by Sony Ericsson with 27 percent.

Android's ascendancy in Europe follows it surpassing the iPhone in the U.S. earlier this year. Google's free operating system is available to multiple hardware makers and device manufacturers who create smartphones and tablets in a variety of form factors, while iOS, which powers the iPhone and iPad, is restricted to hardware made by Apple.

But a recent survey found that Apple could stunt the growth of Android, at least in the U.S., if the iPhone were available on more carriers. A poll of recent smartphone buyers found that 34 percent of those not on AT&T, the exclusive carrier of Apple's smartphone, would have preferred to buy the iPhone.

According to Nielsen, even the launch of the iPhone 4 over the summer could not stop the market share growth of Android. Phones running Android in the U.S. are available on all four major wireless carriers, but in many countries in Europe, the iPhone is also available on multiple carriers.

While Android's total market share has grown, no single handset running Google's mobile operating system has compared to Apple's iPhone. The iPhone 4 sold 1.7 million in its first three days, and went on to ship a record 14.1 million last quarter.
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11/29/10 at 8:43am
This was to be expected and I also believe that is is true that Apple could and would slow down the growth of Android in the US if they went multi carrier.
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post #3 of 106
11/29/10 at 8:45am
While I do appreciate that a horserace makes for a more compelling storyline, I do not understand why writers continue to speak of Android overtaking Apple iOS. The real story is that Android is replacing Windows. Period.

If you want to write about Android and Apple, then what seems interesting to me is the fact that Apple "software cum hardware" approach is so powerful in a world that has grown up with the windows strategy.

Looking forward to hearing more about all of this.
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11/29/10 at 8:49am
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Google's Android mobile operating system will pass Apple's iOS and Nokia's Symbian in 2011 to become the top smartphone platform in all of Europe, IDC has predicted....

I really wish tech sites would stop reporting what manufacturers self-report as sold to their distributors and channels as actual consumer interest.

Android sells more, we all know that. This does not necessarily equate to consumers being interested in or using the product. They give Android phones away for free where I live and "sales" are through the roof, but I still rarely see anyone using one on the train.
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11/29/10 at 8:49am
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While I do appreciate that a horserace makes for a more compelling storyline, I do not understand why writers continue to speak of Android overtaking Apple iOS. The real story is that Android is replacing Windows. Period.

If you want to write about Android and Apple, then what seems interesting to me is the fact that Apple "software cum hardware" approach is so powerful in a world that has grown up with the windows strategy.

Looking forward to hearing more about all of this.

Its doing all of the above. It has already replaced Windows Mobile by far, It has beaten up RIM and its giving iOS very strong run, in some cases beating it out. There isn't any company that is so powerful that they remain powerful forever. History has proven that time and time again. Apple is on top now, for many decades they were not even considered a contender.
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11/29/10 at 8:52am
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Its doing all of the above. It has already replaced Windows Mobile by far, It has beaten up RIM and its giving iOS very strong run, in some cases beating it out. There isn't any company that is so powerful that they remain powerful forever. History has proven that time and time again. Apple is on top now, for many decades they were not even considered a contender.

Do you even understand what you are saying is pure BS?
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11/29/10 at 8:58am
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Do you even understand what you are saying is pure BS?

Actually I understand this very well. You made a statement with nothing to back it up which is commone for people like you on this forum. At least if your going to say something make a point.

Android growth is not something you can really debate. I am sure that upsets you but its a simple fact.
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11/29/10 at 8:59am
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Do you even understand what you are saying is pure BS?

No... [hmmmmm, on edit] He actually admits that he understands that it's pure bs.
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post #9 of 106
11/29/10 at 9:02am
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No... [actually, on edit] He actually admits that he understands that it's pure bs.

Okay so whats BS. Is Android growing? The answer is yes in some cases by over 800%. This is fact even you can look up. Is Windows Mobile dead, Yes clearly. Is RIM taking a hit, yes clearly.

For many decades was Apple the doormat of MS, yes clearly.

So tell me where I am wrong and prove it.
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11/29/10 at 9:06am
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Okay so whats BS. Is Android growing? The answer is yes in some cases by over 800%. This is fact even you can look up. Is Windows Mobile dead, Yes clearly. Is RIM taking a hit, yes clearly.

For many decades was Apple the doormat of MS, yes clearly.

So tell me where I am wrong and prove it.

He asked if you understood what you are saying is pure bs and you said, and I quote, "Actually I understand this very well.".
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post #11 of 106
11/29/10 at 9:09am
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He asked if you understood what you are saying is pure bs and you said, and I quote, "Actually I understand this very well.".

Again you said nothing. If you aren't going to contribute something to the topic then stop posting, it only makes you sound like an ass. If you have something to add to the topic find, if not go away and act like a child somewhere else.
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11/29/10 at 9:11am
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This was to be expected and I also believe that is is true that Apple could and would slow down the growth of Android in the US if they went multi carrier.

I don't fully agree. In the US, Apple has about 6.5% of the smartphone market. In other countries with multiple carriers (UK, Canada, etc). market share is around 10%. The US phone market is relatively small.

The real issue is that Apple is selling 1 model versus 50-60 Androids. This is similar to the MAC versus PC syndrome.
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post #13 of 106
11/29/10 at 9:13am
Competition in the smartphone market is not a zero-sum game. If the market were 100% saturated it would be... but it's far from it. iPhone will continue to see blockbuster growth, and yes, free Android handsets (with GOOG hoping to make a few ad $$ on the back end) will grow as well. In many cases the free option will out-grow the iPhone. Big deal. Would AAPL like it if Android weren't competing? Of course. Would they sell more? Sure. But this is the real world, and there is competition. AAPL will continue as it always has to make a superior product, and more and more people will buy it.

In the phone world, carrier matters at least as much as handset, which is a big reason for Android's success. Get iPhones into Verizon showrooms, and their counterparts around the world, and iPhone market share is sure to pick up.
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11/29/10 at 9:15am
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I don't fully agree. In the US, Apple has about 6.5% of the smartphone market. In other countries with multiple carriers (UK, Canada, etc). market share is around 10%. The US phone market is relatively small.

The real issue is that Apple is selling 1 model versus 50-60 Androids. This is similar to the MAC versus PC syndrome.

Android isn't really seeling 50-60 phones in the US market. I doubt they are even selling that worldwide. Most of the Android phones listed are not even being sold anymore in the US and have a much older version of their OS. The phones that are really being sold in the US are the ones that can at least run 2.1 and in most cases 2.2, Evo, Incredible, Droid 2 and Droid X.

Clearly more then Apple but not 50-60. The ones that are selling and will continue to sell are the ones that can match the iPhone on hardware specs and run 2.2 and beyond. Don't see too many people walking around with an HTC Desire or Hero these days.
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11/29/10 at 9:18am
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I really wish tech sites would stop reporting what manufacturers self-report as sold to their distributors and channels as actual consumer interest.

Android sells more, we all know that. This does not necessarily equate to consumers being interested in or using the product. They give Android phones away for free where I live and "sales" are through the roof, but I still rarely see anyone using one on the train.

This is very true.

When Samsung reported 600,000 sales of the Galaxy Tab, how many were inventory sales?

When i first laid eyes on the Galaxy Tab in PC World/Currys, it was £529, then it was £499 and yesterday it was £448. I asked the sales guy how many they'd sold in that store, and it's a pretty big store, his answer non, hence the fire sale.

iPad was all but sold out.
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post #16 of 106
11/29/10 at 9:19am
Ok so a free OS pimped by about every freaking smartphone maker out there is flooding the market more than iOS. Who cares.
Apple controls iOS 100% while so they get 100% of the money!
As for the Android crowd, well there are literally dozens of models on the world market and plenty of players. So you do the math. Why the hell should Apple be worried? They aren't in the marginalized OS pitt known as Android.
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11/29/10 at 9:19am
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Again you said nothing. If you aren't going to contribute something to the topic then stop posting, it only makes you sound like an ass. If you have something to add to the topic find, if not go away and act like a child somewhere else.

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post #18 of 106
11/29/10 at 9:19am
Just try to buy one here. Even certified Apple resellers refuse to sell them because Apple can't deliver them enough stock (they even make this statement on their websites:

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Op 30 juli introduceerde Apple de nieuwe iPhone 4 in België. Het toestel is echter zo populair dat Apple in de verste verte de vraag niet kan bijhouden.

De aantallen die Switch zou kunnen krijgen zijn zodanig klein dat we genoodzaakt zijn om de iPhone 4 niet in ons gamma op te nemen. Het is bijgevolg niet mogelijk om een iPhone bij Switch te bestellen, en dit tot wij zeker zijn dat we op regelmatige basis redelijke hoeveelheden kunnen leveren, hetgeen we dan ook prompt zullen melden via onze website en in onze winkels.
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"Dear Customer,

On July 30th, Apple introduced the new iPhone in Belgium. But the device is so popular that Apple can not keep even the slightest demand.

The number of iPhones we can get are so small that we decided not to include the iPhone 4 in our range. It is therefore not possible to order an iPhone, Only until we are sure that Apple can deliver regularly and in reasonable quantities we will announce this on our website and in our stores"

). Personally I know of at least 10 people who want to buy one, including me (without a 2 year subscription from carrier Mobistar). Can't find it.
Some people are buying Andy's just because there are no iPhones.
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post #19 of 106
11/29/10 at 9:23am
Also, for Android to pass iOS, you have to count iPad and iPod Touch users too. Otherwise you just have all the different incompatible Android platforms combined passing the iPhone alone. Not passing iOS.

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This is very true.

When Samsung reported 600,000 sales of the Galaxy Tab, how many were inventory sales?

When i first laid eyes on the Galaxy Tab in PC World/Currys, it was £529, then it was £499 and yesterday it was £448. I asked the sales guy how any they'd sold in that store, and it's a pretty big store, his answer non, hence the fire sale.

iPad was all but sold out.

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11/29/10 at 9:24am
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Personally I know of at least 10 people who want to buy one, including me (without a 2 year subscription from carrier Mobistar). Can't find it.
Some people are buying Andy's just because there are no iPhones.

This continues to be perplexing. Foxcon is cranking out an iPhone every one and a half seconds. How is it that Android phones are in abundance? Is it because there are multiple manufacturers?

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11/29/10 at 9:25am
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This is very true.

When Samsung reported 600,000 sales of the Galaxy Tab, how many were inventory sales?

When i first laid eyes on the Galaxy Tab in PC World/Currys, it was £529, then it was £499 and yesterday it was £448. I asked the sales guy how any they'd sold in that store, and it's a pretty big store, his answer non, hence the fire sale.

iPad was all but sold out.

... and this is what I commented in an earlier story about the GT... 600,000 in the channel... maybe 150,000 sold... if they are lucky... and I also said that there will be deep discounts just before Christmas.

So I'm wondering... when they are talking about the Android OS overtaking iOS, are they talking about just smartphones or are they talking about all Android and iOS devices? [on edit... I noticed that Nagromme mentioned the same thing]
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11/29/10 at 9:28am
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Also, for Android to pass iOS, you have to count iPad and iPod Touch users too. Otherwise you just have all the different incompatible Android platforms combined passing the iPhone alone. Not passing iOS.

Yep. And you can throw in ATV into the equation as well.
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post #23 of 106
11/29/10 at 9:29am
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... and this is what I commented in an earlier story about the GT... 600,000 in the channel... maybe 150,000 sold... if they are lucky... and I also said that there will be deep discounts just before Christmas.

So I'm wondering... when they are talking about the Android OS overtaking iOS, are they talking about just smartphones or are they talking about all Android and iOS devices? [on edit... I noticed that Nagromme mentioned the same thing]

Thats the problem you spend too much time "wondernig" when you have no clue what you are talking about. If you have no clue if 600k were sold or not yet your tiny mind will try to justify they weren't
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11/29/10 at 9:30am
Keep up the good work.
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11/29/10 at 9:31am
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... and this is what I commented in an earlier story about the GT... 600,000 in the channel... maybe 150,000 sold... if they are lucky... and I also said that there will be deep discounts just before Christmas.

So I'm wondering... when they are talking about the Android OS overtaking iOS, are they talking about just smartphones or are they talking about all Android and iOS devices? [on edit... I noticed that Nagromme mentioned the same thing]

Yeah i'm wondering the same thing.
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11/29/10 at 9:32am
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Competition in the smartphone market is not a zero-sum game. If the market were 100% saturated it would be... but it's far from it. iPhone will continue to see blockbuster growth, and yes, free Android handsets (with GOOG hoping to make a few ad $$ on the back end) will grow as well. In many cases the free option will out-grow the iPhone. Big deal. Would AAPL like it if Android weren't competing? Of course. Would they sell more? Sure. But this is the real world, and there is competition. AAPL will continue as it always has to make a superior product, and more and more people will buy it.

In the phone world, carrier matters at least as much as handset, which is a big reason for Android's success. Get iPhones into Verizon showrooms, and their counterparts around the world, and iPhone market share is sure to pick up.

As far as I am aware, the US market is the only market where the iPhone is only with one carrier. To all those expecting iPhone to wipe android off the face of the earth when Verizon gets it think again....

Here in the UK iPhone is on every carrier, same story in most of Europe and yet this story is reporting android becoming the leading platform, all without the buy one get one free deals since they are US only. Get used to it fanboys.
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11/29/10 at 9:33am
With WinMo starting as well..... I think that Android's growth will slow down a little. So maybe it is 2012?
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11/29/10 at 9:35am
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This continues to be perplexing. Foxcon is cranking out an iPhone every one and a half seconds. How is it that Android phones are in abundance? Is it because there are multiple manufacturers?

Well HTC, Samsung and Moto are the three main ones when it comes to Android. I know HTC had issues when the Evo came out and there was a delay for months.

I live in Atlanta and I guess we tend to get a good supply of Apple products, I have never seen a shortage of iPhone or iPads in my area. iPhone only when it was first released by after that you can walk in and get just about any iPhone or iPad you want. Even at places like Target when it comes to the iPad, fully shocked, same with Best Buy.
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11/29/10 at 9:37am
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While I do appreciate that a horserace makes for a more compelling storyline, I do not understand why writers continue to speak of Android overtaking Apple iOS. The real story is that Android is replacing Windows. Period.

Totally agree. I personally think it is great that there are two viable mobile platforms and neither of them is from Microsoft. This trend is likely to continue with Tablets and it is going to continue to drive many people away from Windows, even on the desktop.
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11/29/10 at 9:38am
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With WinMo starting as well..... I think that Android's growth will slow down a little. So maybe it is 2012?

Android doesn't seem to be slowing becasue they are not giving any offers on phones. The phones are the same price as the iPhone. RIM has been giong BOGO for a long time and Windows 7 phones were just released and they are already doing BOGO.
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11/29/10 at 9:39am
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You act as if your stupidity bothers me. So when you can't post something educated you make yourself look even more stupid but using emotions that make you look like a mental health patient.

Keep up the good work.

Without taking sides Island Hermit wasn't actually attacking you. He was merely pointing out that you agreed that what you said was BS.

Povilas said: Do you even understand what you are saying is pure BS?

To which you replied: Actually I understand this very well.

He was teasing you, you took the bait and now he's reeling you in. Let go of the hook.
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11/29/10 at 9:46am
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As far as I am aware, the US market is the only market where the iPhone is only with one carrier. To all those expecting iPhone to wipe android off the face of the earth when Verizon gets it think again....

Here in the UK iPhone is on every carrier, same story in most of Europe and yet this story is reporting android becoming the leading platform, all without the buy one get one free deals since they are US only. Get used to it fanboys.

I don't think most of of us really care that much about who wins what, we've been here before. I think all we're trying to establish is how many Android phones are actual sales to customers, not those delivered into the sales channels.
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11/29/10 at 9:50am
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As far as I am aware, the US market is the only market where the iPhone is only with one carrier. To all those expecting iPhone to wipe android off the face of the earth when Verizon gets it think again....

Here in the UK iPhone is on every carrier, same story in most of Europe and yet this story is reporting android becoming the leading platform, all without the buy one get one free deals since they are US only. Get used to it fanboys.

how dare you! we here at north korea...i mean apple....will keep you fandroids in check one way or another!

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11/29/10 at 9:51am
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Android doesn't seem to be slowing becasue they are not giving any offers on phones. The phones are the same price as the iPhone. RIM has been giong BOGO for a long time and Windows 7 phones were just released and they are already doing BOGO.

I don't think even hard core AFBs will argue that Android isn't a capable phone maybe in part because it is very similar to iPhone. When comparing any products before making a purchasing decision, fit and finish is is one factor to consider. My neighbor just bought the Galaxy phone and loves it, while his wife has an iPhone. When I held his phone it felt very bulky and the plastic construction seemed rather cheap. I really like the way my iPhone feels in the hand as well as the way it functions. Not to dis the Galaxy but the fit and finish on the iPhone is top notch.

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11/29/10 at 9:51am
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Just try to buy one here. Even certified Apple resellers refuse to sell them because Apple can't deliver them enough stock (they even make this statement on their websites)... Personally I know of at least 10 people who want to buy one, including me (without a 2 year subscription from carrier Mobistar). Can't find it.
Some people are buying Andy's just because there are no iPhones.

Now that's an Apple Reseller with some real *balls*. The one I do some work for here in Asia would never have the guts to tell Apple to f*** off, well Apple wouldn't care anyway...

But yeah, thank you for clarifying. Most people do not realise how impossibly difficult it is to find iPhone 4 in many European, Asian, Middle Eastern, etc. markets. Let alone iPads which have barely launched officially in so, so many countries.

The issue is, Apple can sell much more, if they make much more. End of story.

In the meantime, people will continue to buy more of Android and Blackberry because it's more readily available, of course also Android is so widely available from so many handset manufacturers.

Apple is 1. Only one company. 2. At the very max of its (current) production capacity.

Of course Android is going to "win"! That is, have more marketshare, if you consider that "winning", which some might do.
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11/29/10 at 9:51am
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Without taking sides Island Hermit wasn't actually attacking you. He was merely pointing out that you agreed that what you said was BS.

Povilas said: Do you even understand what you are saying is pure BS?

To which you replied: Actually I understand this very well.

He was teasing you, you took the bait and now he's reeling you in. Let go of the hook.

Whatever Island he is on they need to disconnect the power. Or let it sink into the ocean. The IQ of the forum would go up by 20%.

Problem on this forum is any chance of having a technology debate on products other then what Apple has to offer is dead within about three posts. Its sad and pathetic. I am not only a fan of Apple I am a fan of technology and I like talking about more then just Apple products and to compare what others have to offer.

In many cases we have a group that simply likes to go into defensive mode because they have some complex that Apple needs to rule the world. Then you have the other group that is afraid they aren't going to be seen as cool enough because now everyone owns Apple products. Its like a power struggle between their ears.

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be funny to watch.
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11/29/10 at 9:55am
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Whatever Island he is on they need to disconnect the power. Or let it sink into the ocean. The IQ of the forum would go up by 20%.

Problem on this forum is any chance of having a technology debate on products other then what Apple has to offer is dead within about three posts. Its sad and pathetic. I am not only a fan of Apple I am a fan of technology and I like talking about more then just Apple products and to compare what others have to offer.

In many cases we have a group that simply likes to go into defensive mode because they have some complex that Apple needs to rule the world. Then you have the other group that is afraid they aren't going to be seen as cool enough because now everyone owns Apple products. Its like a power struggle between their ears.

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be funny to watch.

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11/29/10 at 9:58am
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how dare you! we here at north korea...i mean apple....will keep you fandroids in check one way or another!

http://www.cultofmac.com/apple-bans-...pp-store/71471

That is bizarre. They do have many PC-related magazine apps (I think, never bothered to look for PC magazine apps) and definitely also through Zinio.
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11/29/10 at 10:00am
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I don't think even hard core AFBs will argue that Android isn't a capable phone maybe in part because it is very similar to iPhone. When comparing any products before making a purchasing decision, fit and finish is is one factor to consider. My neighbor just bought the Galaxy phone and loves it, while his wife has an iPhone. When I held his phone it felt very bulky and the plastic construction seemed rather cheap. I really like the way my iPhone feels in the hand as well as the way it functions. Not to dis the Galaxy but the fit and finish on the iPhone is top notch.

I like the fit and finish of the iPhone also but I think its human nature that even if a product is better over time the consumer looks for change or something new. I think that is why Android is going so well its the first new thing that can compete with the iPhone.

While I like the size of my iPad and I didn't like the Galaxy Tab, I like the size of my Evo better then the iPhone. Its what I have become use too, I find the bigger screen better for web use I do alot. Now to me the iPhone seems too small.

While this rarely gets mentioned I also think a big downside to owning an iPhone now that alot more teens have phones is the fact you can't get insurance on your iPhone like you can other smartphones. My daughter doesn't have a friend that doesn't have a cracked iPhone 4 already. All glass and teens do not go together and alot of parents understand that and they don't want ot have to shell out 600.00 if there kid drops their iPhone when you can protect yourself against that with just about every other phone.
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11/29/10 at 10:02am
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In many cases we have a group that simply likes to go into defensive mode because they have some complex that Apple needs to rule the world. Then you have the other group that is afraid they aren't going to be seen as cool enough because now everyone owns Apple products.

I think i fall into the latter category. But at least the name calling has stopped.

I need to find another technology company that's in its ascendancy that also make compelling products. Any tips?
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