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post #81 of 86
There's always hanky panky that does go on but Apple does get wise to some or most of it. Resellers do follow some pretty tight guidelines. But it varies in different countries, and Apple is not as hardcore strict as they have been several years ago. Also the big difference is Apple Cupertino/ geographic hq's deals with telcos directly a lot.

In countries where the grey market thrives it can be heck of an annoyance being an official Apple Reseller because you cannot carry the hottest products until official launches, in the meantime, you're slammed hard by customers expecting you not only to carry the hottest products (ie. iPhone 4 and iPad), they also expect you to provide full support for warranty issues, etc. which are sometimes not possible because it hasn't been authorised by Apple.

Hence as a poster mentioned the Belgian reseller saying they wouldn't even bother with iPhones at all. Probably a smart move. Even back as far as the iPhone 3G I was in the UK and visited Brussels, it was months of very limited iPhone stock. Quite insane at times.

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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Again, you do not understand distribution -- especially Apple distribution. My company was an Apple reseller for more than 11 years.

To qualify as an Apple reseller you must:

-- satisfy minimum financial and legal requirements
-- agree to certain terms and conditions *
-- place an initial minimum order **
-- place a series of follow-on orders and forecasts for the next quarter, or quarters **
-- report al least monthly ** on your sell-through
-- update at least monthly ** your orders and forecasts for the next quarter, or quarters

* you cannot transship inventory to anyone without permission -- you sell what you have, keep it, or return it to Apple with a restocking charge.

** If you do not perform well in sales, forecasts, and returns your profit margins will be reduced to the point where it is not profitable for you or Apple -- and you will not be re-authorized


Just as with everything else, Apple is interested in a vibrant, profitable, well-funded reseller channel. It's Apple's football, you play their game. The reporting assures that Apple knows what inventory is in the channel and what is being sold.

Certainly, there are exceptions -- resellers break the rules, lose their authorization, etc. and dispose of their Apple inventory as best they can. But, the channel cleanses itself.

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post #82 of 86
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Originally Posted by cutykamu View Post

here in china, a month before the delivery time for iphones were 2 months and now there is no delivery time mentioned on apple websites nor on china unicom stores.... i never see here people using android phones, hell i've never seen an android phone...

Holy moley it is true...

The Apple China online store says: (Google translated)
16 GB
RMB 4,999
Estimated time of delivery: No Supply
32 GB
RMB 5,999
Estimated time of delivery: No Supply
post #83 of 86
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Originally Posted by cutykamu View Post

here in china, a month before the delivery time for iphones were 2 months and now there is no delivery time mentioned on apple websites nor on china unicom stores.... i never see here people using android phones, hell i've never seen an android phone...

No offence, but China is kind of irrelevant in this debate. The Chinese and asian markets are totally different.
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I don't see what this has to do with worshiping full employment.

You don't get it? Are you stupid?
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post #86 of 86
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Originally Posted by tjw View Post

No offence, but China is kind of irrelevant in this debate. The Chinese and asian markets are totally different.

Not sure about it being irrelevant. Apple makes x amount of iPhone4 and iPad. They have to allocate this globally. We know Apple takes the China market seriously. They also think Europe is important... or maybe not.

When talking about iOS devices, it's as I feel an issue with how much stock Apple can make, and *where* they channel that stock, geographically and temporally.

If China is listed as "no date" at all, that means other geographic regions will definitely be experiencing shortages. The major Asian markets (China, Hong Kong, Korea) will influence stock allocation to Europe, in some way or the other.

Imagine... Just a few months after a big launch in China at several brand new, large Apple Stores, and Apple Online Store China selling iPhones, no iPhones are available with no estimated date. This clearly indicates some serious demand globally that is not being fulfilled satisfactorily.
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