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Originally Posted by timgriff84 View Post

The payments and sales data sent anything surprising though. Its been on MS's site for months that the first payments will be in feburary, along with details on how you get stats on sales data. This articles basically quoted 2 people who didn't bother to read the process details when they signed up.

As for the reports of slow sales, they also sit next to reports of a lack of devices making them meaningless.

Best FACT post so far. So instead of Apple Insider doing even 5min of research to find out that this was known BEFORE any developers could sign up, they just posted this Link Bait article.

Here is the actual real information from 10/04 which is before any apps could be submitted.

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_p...or-launch.aspx

In that some key information....

"Shortly after new Windows Phones become broadly available, Marketplace will begin providing developers with individual insights on their app’s performance within Marketplace. The reporting will soon become more automated and self service"

"And perhaps most importantly, developers can expect the first payout of sales to date to take place in February."

This is from a blog post anyone can read. I have no doubt that if you registered as a developer there would be some kind of information with this blog info and way more provided to you.

So my guess is that these people complaining in this blog post, simply did not read it. To them I suggest....

www.rif.org

Now I never thought the fine bloggers at AI came up with this information on their own....instead they just regurgitated this from other posts on the internet..

http://www.slashgear.com/no-windows-...woes-29116687/

http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/11/29/...t-in-the-dark/

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/11/29...s-phone-7-app/

http://www.wpcentral.com/developers-...analytic-tools

The only real questions left are....

Is there some central Anti-MS site that all of you bloggers copy and paste from?

Is there some round robin deal, where its your turn to do no real research, spew some Anti-ms BS and then the others copy off of you? Then its passed on to the next blogger to do their part?
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Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post

if oracle wins, they lose. in the long run. they already look like schmucks and people in a place to choose (like me) won't choose them anymore.

Yes, as a consumer you are a valuable customer that Oracle is worried about loosing....


post #123 of 289
Man, three pages of bashing. Anyway I just took the plunge and bought a WP7. I had a 3G for almost 2.5 years and was ready for a change. My wife just upgraded to the iPhone 4 and she loves it. I figured I would take a different route. With the BOGO going on and a $100 upgrade credit from AT$T I got two for $99. Not bad. Anyway with just 4 days under my belt I have to say I really like it. I can't say it is better that an iPhone, it isn't, it is different. Different I like. The Facebook integration and Xbox live integration is first rate. If these are things someone uses allot (I do) then this phone is a no brainer. The way the WP7 integrates the cloud into one handheld is what makes this thing shine. Of course I had no idea it could do all this until I got my hands on it and I have no idea why MS doesn't push this information. An example of the cloud integration is pictures. When I open up my pictures it shows me my film roll, saved pictures and my Facebook friends shared albums, seamlessly. I can browse all of it and it is smooth. This type of thing carries over into everything. Hardware wise I picked up the Samsung Focus. The screen is awesome, I think even better than my wife's. It feels a bit cheap compared to my old iPhone so time will tell. As for apps, so far it had everything I wanted. Slacker radio, Ebay stuff like that. If people give it a chance they will like it. Have an open mind and you may be surprised.

Oh the wireless sync is cool. 10min after I plug the phone into AC power and it is on my network it is available to sync wirelessly. Pretty neat.
post #124 of 289
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Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post

free beer....

Is that like Old Milwaukee?


Eww - beer in name only. Then again perhaps you are supposed to be drunk or stoned already before drinking it. That actually explains quite allot on multiple levels...
post #125 of 289
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Originally Posted by bettieblue View Post

My point? Is Apple Insider is just link baiting, and they are not using any real data to back up their BS. They should stick to Apple stuff. Bashing on Microsoft stuff does what exactly at a Apple site? Fire up the fan girls? Ruffle some panties?

I think the lack of real data regarding Windows Phone 7 sales was kinda the point here?
But hey, if Microsofts next quarterly finance call shows that Windows Phone 7 is a runaway sales hit, I think you can expect to read about it on AppleInsider too.
post #126 of 289
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Originally Posted by Hellacool View Post

An example of the cloud integration is pictures. When I open up my pictures it shows me my film roll, saved pictures and my Facebook friends shared albums, seamlessly. I can browse all of it and it is smooth. This type of thing carries over into everything.

This is something that I am amazed at too, especially since Mac OSX on the desktop has an excellent and well integrated media browser.

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Oh the wireless sync is cool. 10min after I plug the phone into AC power and it is on my network it is available to sync wirelessly. Pretty neat.

One of two reasons (hot spot being second) I will probably jailbreak this week. This one peeves me the most of the missing iOS features. Absolutely ludicrous...

Then again Steve did quip "someday" in response to an email inquiry about it so who knows
post #127 of 289
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Originally Posted by Garion View Post

I think the lack of real data regarding Windows Phone 7 sales was kinda the point here?
But hey, if Microsofts next quarterly finance call shows that Windows Phone 7 is a runaway sales hit, I think you can expect to read about it on AppleInsider too.

I wonder if that will be considered link baiting as well...
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post #128 of 289
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Originally Posted by Garion View Post

I think the lack of real data regarding Windows Phone 7 sales was kinda the point here?
But hey, if Microsofts next quarterly finance call shows that Windows Phone 7 is a runaway sales hit, I think you can expect to read about it on AppleInsider too.

If you had a chance to listen to the only real announcement from MS today, you would have heard about all the Kinects they are selling - millions in fact. Typical political answer to the question you weren't asking, from the magician who misdirects your attention. You can bet that, if they were really selling a lot of W7 phones, they would be doing handsprings to announce it. Methinks maybe they ain't, and me also thinks they be whistling in the forrest, fearing the shadows of despair.
post #129 of 289
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Originally Posted by bettieblue View Post

best fact post so far. So instead of apple insider doing even 5min of research to find out that this was known before any developers could sign up, they just posted this link bait article.

Here is the actual real information from 10/04 which is before any apps could be submitted.

http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_p...or-launch.aspx

in that some key information....

"shortly after new windows phones become broadly available, marketplace will begin providing developers with individual insights on their app’s performance within marketplace. The reporting will soon become more automated and self service"

"and perhaps most importantly, developers can expect the first payout of sales to date to take place in february."

this is from a blog post anyone can read. I have no doubt that if you registered as a developer there would be some kind of information with this blog info and way more provided to you.

So my guess is that these people complaining in this blog post, simply did not read it. To them i suggest....

www.rif.org

now i never thought the fine bloggers at ai came up with this information on their own....instead they just regurgitated this from other posts on the internet..

http://www.slashgear.com/no-windows-...woes-29116687/

http://nexus404.com/blog/2010/11/29/...t-in-the-dark/

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/11/29...s-phone-7-app/

http://www.wpcentral.com/developers-...analytic-tools

the only real questions left are....

Is there some central anti-ms site that all of you bloggers copy and paste from?

Is there some round robin deal, where its your turn to do no real research, spew some anti-ms bs and then the others copy off of you? Then its passed on to the next blogger to do their part?

It's not fair!! Everybody's being mean!! STOP BEING MEAN TO MICROSOFT!!!!! YOU GUYS!!!!!!!! STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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post #130 of 289
Windows Phone 7 developers fear platform flop

Either this is a bad dance scene in a disco movie, or Microsoft Bob is sitting in one bathtub on the beach, all alone, with nobody in the other tub, and with no Cialis in sight (where's Nokia, HP, or RIM when you really need them?).
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

It's not fair!! Everybody's being mean!! STOP BEING MEAN TO MICROSOFT!!!!! YOU GUYS!!!!!!!! STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Priceless. Thank you.
post #132 of 289
Thanks for the review. Seems like it might appeal to some people, probably not many here but good info. We have not seen you around much lately but good report.

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Originally Posted by Hellacool View Post

Man, three pages of bashing. Anyway I just took the plunge and bought a WP7. I had a 3G for almost 2.5 years and was ready for a change. My wife just upgraded to the iPhone 4 and she loves it. I figured I would take a different route. With the BOGO going on and a $100 upgrade credit from AT$T I got two for $99. Not bad. Anyway with just 4 days under my belt I have to say I really like it. I can't say it is better that an iPhone, it isn't, it is different. Different I like. The Facebook integration and Xbox live integration is first rate. If these are things someone uses allot (I do) then this phone is a no brainer. The way the WP7 integrates the cloud into one handheld is what makes this thing shine. Of course I had no idea it could do all this until I got my hands on it and I have no idea why MS doesn't push this information. An example of the cloud integration is pictures. When I open up my pictures it shows me my film roll, saved pictures and my Facebook friends shared albums, seamlessly. I can browse all of it and it is smooth. This type of thing carries over into everything. Hardware wise I picked up the Samsung Focus. The screen is awesome, I think even better than my wife's. It feels a bit cheap compared to my old iPhone so time will tell. As for apps, so far it had everything I wanted. Slacker radio, Ebay stuff like that. If people give it a chance they will like it. Have an open mind and you may be surprised.

Oh the wireless sync is cool. 10min after I plug the phone into AC power and it is on my network it is available to sync wirelessly. Pretty neat.

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post #133 of 289
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Originally Posted by timgriff84 View Post

The payments and sales data sent anything surprising though. Its been on MS's site for months that the first payments will be in feburary, along with details on how you get stats on sales data. This articles basically quoted 2 people who didn't bother to read the process details when they signed up.

As for the reports of slow sales, they also sit next to reports of a lack of devices making them meaningless.

I'm not surprised. AI is great for breaking stories and finding new information about Apple products, which is the reason I'm a regular.

When it comes to competitors though AI may as well make stories up for all the credibility they have.




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Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post

Even Microsoft's ads for WP7 are lame. "Our phones have no compelling features. You'll want to use them as little as possible."

Apparently we need to be nice to each other so... I can understand the point of view you are trying to express. If I missunderstood the ads as you have I would likely have the same opinion as you do.


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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

If it can't break 5,000 apps in 2 months, there will be a problem. It's too late to take a year before having a serious number of apps out there, which today would mean 50,000, at least.

How many apps have you ever installed on your phone? Stats for the App Store show a majority of downloads are from the top few percent of the apps in the store.

Any App Store only needs a few thousand "AAA" quality applications. The rest is just marketing bullshit.




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Originally Posted by antkm1 View Post

MS should have integrated WP7 with Xbox Kinect

Ballmer did mention something about that in an interview. I can't quite remember the specifics. The man rambles on about unrelated stuff like a lunatic.
post #134 of 289
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Originally Posted by Hellacool View Post

Man, three pages of bashing. Anyway I just took the plunge and bought a WP7. I had a 3G for almost 2.5 years and was ready for a change. My wife just upgraded to the iPhone 4 and she loves it. I figured I would take a different route. With the BOGO going on and a $100 upgrade credit from AT$T I got two for $99. Not bad. Anyway with just 4 days under my belt I have to say I really like it. I can't say it is better that an iPhone, it isn't, it is different. Different I like. The Facebook integration and Xbox live integration is first rate. If these are things someone uses allot (I do) then this phone is a no brainer. The way the WP7 integrates the cloud into one handheld is what makes this thing shine. Of course I had no idea it could do all this until I got my hands on it and I have no idea why MS doesn't push this information. An example of the cloud integration is pictures. When I open up my pictures it shows me my film roll, saved pictures and my Facebook friends shared albums, seamlessly. I can browse all of it and it is smooth. This type of thing carries over into everything. Hardware wise I picked up the Samsung Focus. The screen is awesome, I think even better than my wife's. It feels a bit cheap compared to my old iPhone so time will tell. As for apps, so far it had everything I wanted. Slacker radio, Ebay stuff like that. If people give it a chance they will like it. Have an open mind and you may be surprised.

Oh the wireless sync is cool. 10min after I plug the phone into AC power and it is on my network it is available to sync wirelessly. Pretty neat.

I also have a Windows Phone 7, as I got it as a company phone and I have an iPhone 4. Like you, I've been pleasantly surprised by it. The thing I tell everyone who asks me if it's better than an iPhone is that no it isn't, but it definitely is different and in some ways better than an iPhone. I feel with some updates to the software and more time to mature it will be a great phone. Unfortunately, I have to give up my Samsung Focus and have my company phone for T-Mobile now instead, so I think I'll go for the Dell Venue Pro (as much as I hate dell). The OLED screen on the focus is so amazing for video and pictures, I would hate to have to go back to a regular old LCD.
post #135 of 289
wow. i can't believe ms goes as far as withholding payment checks to developers, and withholding analytics. isn't it completely obvious that this points to poor app sales??

what developer in their right mind would even consider this platform?
post #136 of 289
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Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post

I disagree. How many apps does one person need or even want? It doesn't matter how many apps there are as long as they're the RIGHT apps. As a matter of fact, fewer apps would be better. In the Apple app store, it's too hard to find the decent and relevant apps. One doesn't need 50 apps the likes of iFart to be successful.

That's an old argument that's been thrown aside many times. It has nothing to do with how many apps a person needs. It has to do with how every app in a category is written. Is it good? How good? Does it have the features that I want, as opposed to what you want, or those other people want?

We want, and need choice, because with just a very few apps in a category, we may not have any really good ones, or ones we like. So the more the better.

It's interesting that when Apple had 10,000 or so apps, and MS had 30,000 or so for Win Mobile, Ballmer bragged that they had so many more. Then after Apple easily surpassed them, he bragged at how much better the fewer apps they had were, as though having fewer apps was a good thing suddenly, and having fewer somehow made them better.

It's interesting to note that pretty much every article or review of phones says that not only does iOS have many more apps, but that they are better. I suppose that actually SELLING them, and making money on them is an incentive.
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Originally Posted by screamingfist View Post

free beer....

Brewed by a committee of people who don't know each other, released before its time, and with no quality control, with bugs swimming around on the top.

Yeah, free beer!
post #138 of 289
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Originally Posted by mesomorphicman View Post

So, are you saying conceding MS will never top Apple iOS or Android in the mobile marketplace yet they will (in time over several OS updates [years]) will surpass RIM? In that you are saying Microsoft is spending endless millions and resources just to move from #4 or 5 up to #3. If that is correct then that is beyond idiotic. Shouldn't the goal be to get to #1 or #2? Yeah #3 is cool - silver - but I don't anyone goes into a race hoping to walkout with silver. That makes MS look even more foolish if that is the goal and end result.

Apple wasn't aiming to be number one. What for? It's important to have good sales and marketshare, but you don't have to be number one. And MS wasn't number one with Win Mobile. Far from it.

So if they get to number four, at least they can stay in business with this. If they get to number three, I think they will all be wiping their brows with their hankies in relief.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

That's an old argument that's been thrown aside many times. It has nothing to do with how many apps a person needs. It has to do with how every app in a category is written. Is it good? How good? Does it have the features that I want, as opposed to what you want, or those other people want?

We want, and need choice, because with just a very few apps in a category, we may not have any really good ones, or ones we like. So the more the better.

I like to think of it in terms of shopping. If I need to buy a new suit I go to a shop and in that shop they have probably 100 or more suits. I might find a few that I like and i buy them. I didn't need 100 suits, but I needed 100 to choose from to find the few I liked.

It's the same with apps. I don't need 300000 apps, but I need there to be 300000 apps so that the odds of finding the 100 I need are in my favor.

If there are only 3000 apps then the chances of me finding the ones I need for my PVR, bank, airline, corporate citrix client etc would be very slim.
post #140 of 289
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Originally Posted by bettieblue View Post

Apple has not released a break down of computer sales (laptop/desktop) since 2005. They held back iPad sales for more than a quarter, there were plenty of articles that speculated slowing sales etc until Apple did. They, like Microsoft wanted to release a decent number. Why did Apple wait?

You always here good numbers from Apple, as in lots of info about iPhones, or total computer sales, but nothing negative.

I see you looked up one fact. Yes, Apple doesn't as I said, always break out some numbers. All companies hold some things back so their competitors don't know exactly how they're doing.

But they didn't hold anything back on iPad sales. nothing at all. They told us how many they pre-sold. They told us how many they sold in the first weekend or week, and they told us after the quarter was finished, after they got their numbers together for the filing, as they have to do. Don't forget, assuming you actually know, that there is a quiet period for a time before the filing is done.

But MS is just stalling. They wouldn't talk about KIN sales either. They still haven't released final numbers. It's like Amazon always talking about how well the Kindle sells, but never gives us numbers.
post #141 of 289
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Originally Posted by Hellacool View Post

Man, three pages of bashing. Anyway I just took the plunge and bought a WP7. I had a 3G for almost 2.5 years and was ready for a change. My wife just upgraded to the iPhone 4 and she loves it. I figured I would take a different route. With the BOGO going on and a $100 upgrade credit from AT$T I got two for $99. Not bad. Anyway with just 4 days under my belt I have to say I really like it. I can't say it is better that an iPhone, it isn't, it is different. Different I like. The Facebook integration and Xbox live integration is first rate. If these are things someone uses allot (I do) then this phone is a no brainer. The way the WP7 integrates the cloud into one handheld is what makes this thing shine. Of course I had no idea it could do all this until I got my hands on it and I have no idea why MS doesn't push this information. An example of the cloud integration is pictures. When I open up my pictures it shows me my film roll, saved pictures and my Facebook friends shared albums, seamlessly. I can browse all of it and it is smooth. This type of thing carries over into everything. Hardware wise I picked up the Samsung Focus. The screen is awesome, I think even better than my wife's. It feels a bit cheap compared to my old iPhone so time will tell. As for apps, so far it had everything I wanted. Slacker radio, Ebay stuff like that. If people give it a chance they will like it. Have an open mind and you may be surprised.

Oh the wireless sync is cool. 10min after I plug the phone into AC power and it is on my network it is available to sync wirelessly. Pretty neat.

How about video? What can you see on various sites?
post #142 of 289
I played with one and found it good. I would rather have a WP7 than an Android. Android is annoying to me. WP7 was unfamiliar but decent. Things flowed well and what was there seemed to work well. The UI is very minimalist. I think that is a win for them. It also is not much like the iPhone and that is also good - good that they took off in a new direction.

Hard to say how well it will do. Zune was a decent effort but badly marketed. I went into Bestbuy several times looking for them and never found a working demo. The iPod touch was there, working, tons of apps. Zune had no chance even as a perfect device, and it was far from perfect.

I agree with the commentator who said that Microsoft will consider this strategic ground and will be ready to spend whatever it takes to hold the ground. That will mean paying developers if needed. Or putting incentives in the app store. They will also look for every point of integration with Windows, Office and Live that they can find. It might work, especially as an enterprise alternative to iPhone and Android. Don't forget, Apple's enterprise access depends on Exchange integration. That is a choke point for Microsoft. They will find ways to use it and fly below anti-trust scrutiny.

But they are going to have to pay developers, pay hardware makers and also cover the cost of development across the board. It is feasible and they have the cash, it's just a far cry from Apple's position or minting money on the iOS platform in many directions.

I am not sure with the greatest product Microsoft has brand permission to be something people carry around all the time and whip out in a social setting the way Apple and Android do. People associate MSFT with pain and compulsion, Apple with fun and some arrogance, Android with openness, defiance and some confusion. Of the three Microsoft's brand posture is the worst.
post #143 of 289
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Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post

How many apps have you ever installed on your phone? Stats for the App Store show a majority of downloads are from the top few percent of the apps in the store.

Any App Store only needs a few thousand "AAA" quality applications. The rest is just marketing bullshit.

I've got over a hundred. You miss the point completely. Thee are tens of millions of people who own an iPhone or an iTouch and now an iPad. There are are dozens, if not hundreds of subcategories of apps. There are no doubt thousands of differing interests that these tens of millions of people have. Even 300,000 apps isn't enough to cover them all. Do you speak Chinese? Do you read it? Have you noticed how many apps are in that language in the store? What about other languages? Do you expect these speakers to have just a few apps while English speakers have many? I hope not! That's one reason why there are so many apps.

What about travel apps and maps? There are thousands of cities in almost two hundred countries. Are you saying that we shouldn't have apps for those cities for maps, train and bus routes? No apps for places of interest to visit? That takes thousands of apps all by itself.

I suppose that if you've got a WP7 phone, and want a map for a city that isn't there, it would be ok, as long as there's a map for a bigger city close by.

Do you know that there are thousands of magazines? Do you know that there are about 10 million songs in the iTunes store? Are you aware that over 150,000 books are published each year?

Why should apps be any different? Because you can't possibly imagine that people have interests you don't even know about?

This is a wasteful argument. It's meaningless. Why isn't there just one or two cars in each category? Why would people need to choose from more? Or chairs, or Tv's. I mean, really, do you lack that much imagination?
post #144 of 289
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Originally Posted by Masterz1337 View Post

I also have a Windows Phone 7, as I got it as a company phone and I have an iPhone 4. Like you, I've been pleasantly surprised by it. The thing I tell everyone who asks me if it's better than an iPhone is that no it isn't, but it definitely is different and in some ways better than an iPhone. I feel with some updates to the software and more time to mature it will be a great phone. Unfortunately, I have to give up my Samsung Focus and have my company phone for T-Mobile now instead, so I think I'll go for the Dell Venue Pro (as much as I hate dell). The OLED screen on the focus is so amazing for video and pictures, I would hate to have to go back to a regular old LCD.

Just don't expect an OLED screen to work outside in sunlight. Maybe someday.
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Originally Posted by TNSF View Post

I like to think of it in terms of shopping. If I need to buy a new suit I go to a shop and in that shop they have probably 100 or more suits. I might find a few that I like and i buy them. I didn't need 100 suits, but I needed 100 to choose from to find the few I liked.

It's the same with apps. I don't need 300000 apps, but I need there to be 300000 apps so that the odds of finding the 100 I need are in my favor.

If there are only 3000 apps then the chances of me finding the ones I need for my PVR, bank, airline, corporate citrix client etc would be very slim.

I really believe that the people making the argument about how so many apps is unimportant, would be saying the opposite if their favorite phone platform was the one with the most apps. It's interesting that iOS doesn't just have the most apps, but the best apps.
post #146 of 289
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Originally Posted by junkie View Post

I played with one and found it good. I would rather have a WP7 than an Android. Android is annoying to me. WP7 was unfamiliar but decent. Things flowed well and what was there seemed to work well. The UI is very minimalist. I think that is a win for them. It also is not much like the iPhone and that is also good - good that they took off in a new direction.

Hard to say how well it will do. Zune was a decent effort but badly marketed. I went into Bestbuy several times looking for them and never found a working demo. The iPod touch was there, working, tons of apps. Zune had no chance even as a perfect device, and it was far from perfect.

I agree with the commentator who said that Microsoft will consider this strategic ground and will be ready to spend whatever it takes to hold the ground. That will mean paying developers if needed. Or putting incentives in the app store. They will also look for every point of integration with Windows, Office and Live that they can find. It might work, especially as an enterprise alternative to iPhone and Android. Don't forget, Apple's enterprise access depends on Exchange integration. That is a choke point for Microsoft. They will find ways to use it and fly below anti-trust scrutiny.

But they are going to have to pay developers, pay hardware makers and also cover the cost of development across the board. It is feasible and they have the cash, it's just a far cry from Apple's position or minting money on the iOS platform in many directions.

I am not sure with the greatest product Microsoft has brand permission to be something people carry around all the time and whip out in a social setting the way Apple and Android do. People associate MSFT with pain and compulsion, Apple with fun and some arrogance, Android with openness, defiance and some confusion. Of the three Microsoft's brand posture is the worst.

The biggest problem MS has with this is that they're only getting about $8 per license. If they don't get a lot of licenses out there quickly, they will have no chance of breaking even. They just spent $500 million on an Ad campaign - their numbers. It must have cost how much for development? $100 million? How much will they have to spend every year for development and marketing? At least a couple hundred million. They need 25 million licenses a year to equal that layout. How many more before a profit? This is minuscule in light of their other major businesses. And it could cost a lot more. It may be a losing proposition.
post #147 of 289
Wow... i can see developers jumping ship. I know i would... no pay check till February? wow..
post #148 of 289
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Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post

Even Microsoft's ads for WP7 are lame. "Our phones have no compelling features. You'll want to use them as little as possible."

LOL. And hardly any apps. All of the "try it" games weren't working when I was playing with a friend's WP7 phone. You tap on the tile and nothing happened. Talk about user feedback fail...not even an error message? Microsoft's has had a lot of practice at non-responsive user interfaces

And no, the tile ("Metro") interface, while aesthetically pleasing, it not very useful.

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Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post

If I were a mobile developer, I'd wait a year to see if WP7 phones have enough market share to make a difference. By next winter, if WP7 doesn't have at least 8% to 10% of the smartphone market, I would ignore it and just let it die. Or wait until Microsoft gets it right, which is very unlikely. (For reference, Apple had 24% and Android had 17% of the smartphone market in September 2010.)

Of course, Microsoft has not shown that they can "get it right" in the mobile space. If I had developed for WinCE aka PocketPC aka Windows Mobile, I would be extremely unhappy that Microsoft just suddenly killed off the platform. With no plans for WinMo app support in WP7.

MS chose the easiest path: throw away everything they have done before, then start from scratch. Because the old OS was simply not worth updating with modern features. If MS (and Palm, by the way) had looked far enough ahead, they could have evolved their legacy OSes or planned a migration path from the old OS to the new OS. They could have beaten Apple to market with a multi-touch mobile OS.

But no, MS and Palm simply milked their existing customer bases. They just kept hacking the old OS with new features instead of moving ahead to the next mobile computing paradigm. It's as if they were just waiting for Apple to do something so they could copy Apple's ideas.

If I recall, Palm OS was king of the PDA market at one point, around the time Windows CE 1.0 hit the market. Microsoft wanted the "PocketPC" PDAs to eventually win market share away from Palm, and they did it, eventually, by steadily ramping up feature after feature until Palm OS looked dated in comparison (and it was because Palm was reluctant to change). This is Microsoft's way of doing things: get into the market, and 3 versions later, they've hopefully beaten their main competitor by piling on feature after feature. Right, Netscape?

"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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"Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone."

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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

With good reason. Last night I already saw BOGO for ATT and Windows 7 phones. Its really amazing to me how MS just simply can't get anything right.

It doesn't really amaze me that MS can't get anything right. They have been almost totally losing out in just about every catogory of device/hardware/ software for many years. Microsoft is pretty much irrelevent nowadays because most innovation is happening at other companies. They are a dinasaur. The only question now is how long before it has to go before it has to undergo major restructuring?

Originally Posted by Rickers - 2014

Cook & Co will bury Apple.  They can only ride Steve's ghost for so long.  Steve == Apple and Apple == Steve.  

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Originally Posted by Rickers - 2014

Cook & Co will bury Apple.  They can only ride Steve's ghost for so long.  Steve == Apple and Apple == Steve.  

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post #150 of 289
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I've got over a hundred. You miss the point completely. Thee are tens of millions of people who own an iPhone or an iTouch and now an iPad. There are are dozens, if not hundreds of subcategories of apps. There are no doubt thousands of differing interests that these tens of millions of people have.

And yet just about all downloads are from a handful of top applications.

It's those top applications that define the application store. The rest might be a nice idea, but they don't count jack toward the success of the store.
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Originally Posted by akhomerun View Post

wow. i can't believe ms goes as far as withholding payment checks to developers

They aren't withholding developer checks. AI made that bit up.
post #152 of 289
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And yet just about all downloads are from a handful of top applications.

It's those top applications that define the application store. The rest might be a nice idea, but they don't count jack toward the success of the store.

I don't believe that "just about all" of the downloads from the App Store are from a "handful" of apps. Where are you getting your stats?
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I like to think of it in terms of shopping. If I need to buy a new suit I go to a shop and in that shop they have probably 100 or more suits. I might find a few that I like and i buy them. I didn't need 100 suits, but I needed 100 to choose from to find the few I liked.

It's the same with apps. I don't need 300000 apps, but I need there to be 300000 apps so that the odds of finding the 100 I need are in my favor.

What about if after looking at the 100 suits 99% of customers purchased one of the same 10 suits? To be a successful shop wouldn't they only need those 10 suits?
post #154 of 289
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Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post

And yet just about all downloads are from a handful of top applications.

It's those top applications that define the application store. The rest might be a nice idea, but they don't count jack toward the success of the store.

It doesn't matter. There are people getting many of those apps. They don't have to sell in the hundreds of thousands.
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Apple has not released a break down of computer sales (laptop/desktop) since 2005. They held back iPad sales for more than a quarter, there were plenty of articles that speculated slowing sales etc until Apple did. They, like Microsoft wanted to release a decent number. Why did Apple wait?

You always here good numbers from Apple, as in lots of info about iPhones, or total computer sales, but nothing negative.

I love it when people talk, just to talk. \

April 8 (Bloomberg) -- Apple Inc.s Steve Jobs said the company sold more than 450,000 iPad tablet computers in less than a week and unveiled new software designed to make the iPhone more appealing to mobile users and developers.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...-update1-.html

One million iPads in 28 days thats less than half of the 74 days it took to achieve this milestone with iPhone, said Apple CEO Steve Jobs

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/...ast-as-iphone/

The problem with Microsoft is their leaders (used loosely) don't have a clue. They have sat and watched as their mobile market share has been destroyed. Now, it's too little, too late.
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They aren't withholding developer checks. AI made that bit up.

No. That's been stated elsewhere. AI doesn't make things up. Sometimes the writers give their opinions on how they feel about something, but no deliberate falsehoods.
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Developers are going to be Microsoft's biggest problem. With limited resources, they are going to focus on what pays the bills. Right now, that's iOS and Android.

The best thing Microsoft could do is to pour a lot of money into paying developers. In 2007, Apple didn't really have anyone to worry about. They had plenty of time to develop their ecosystem. Microsoft doesn't have that luxury. Ballmer just doesn't seem to understand how this works.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

Just don't expect an OLED screen to work outside in sunlight. Maybe someday.

So far It's worked fine outside, maybe it's a SAMOLD or whatever samsungs are?
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Originally Posted by Masterz1337 View Post

So far It's worked fine outside, maybe it's a SAMOLD or whatever samsungs are?

I havev't seen a single review of any OLED phone, including the new Samsung's with their new screens, that worked in direct sunlight.
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Wait, Microsoft Has a mobile platform?

Heh. I saw someone with an Apple computer the other day (Starbucks) and I thought to myself. Wait, Apple makes computer? If you have a job, you just don't see Apple computers. They've pretty much been banished from the enterprise. Xserve sales are booming though!
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