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A new report shows that Research in Motion's BlackBerry platform overtook Apple's iOS in terms of U.S. mobile Internet usage in November.

StatCounter on Wednesday released new data that shows BlackBerry ahead of the iPhone for the first time ever. RIM's BlackBerry OS had a 34.3 percent Web browsing share in November, slightly ahead of Apple's 33 percent.

The Web analytics company also revealed that Google's Android continues to grow in share. A year ago, it had an 8.2 percent total share, while this year that grew to 23.8 percent.

In the same period, Apple's iOS has seen its Web browsing share tracked by StatCounter drop from 51.9 percent to 33 percent. The data is based on 15 billion page views per month, collected from more than 3 million websites.

The company said that based on current trends, BlackBerry and Android combined will double iOS in terms of Internet usage in the next year.

"These figures suggest that developers should not be developing solely for the iPhone to the exclusion of BlackBerry and Android," said StatCounter Chief Executive Aodhan Cullen.



It's a different story globally, though, where Nokia's Symbian mobile operating system has a 31.9 percent share. Apple's iOS is in second with 21.9 percent, and BlackBerry is in third with 19.3 percent. Google Android takes fourth with 11.6 percent, according to StatCounter.

In 2008, StatCounter revealed that the iPhone's Mobile Safari had quickly become the top mobile browser in the U.S. The Irish company said at the time that mobile browsing on the iPhone was three times greater than BlackBerry.

The latest figures are also very different from numbers released by the AdMob mobile advertising network in September 2009. That snapshot found iOS representing 40 percent of mobile browsing, while RIM's BlackBerry had shrunk to just 8 percent.
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My guess is iOS users are spending more time on apps than web browsing.. I know I do. Stuff I'm looking at are ones I could've used the web to look up but I'm using an app instead to get it (news, sports, fb, etc).
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It's because of tiered data plans. Plain and simple.
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the increase is in November. a huge number of business users are taking vacation... traveling or working from home.
but really... who cares?
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I keep reading about how Nokia is dominant internationally, including here in the UK, but I just don't see it anymore. I used to see Nokias everywhere, but for the past few years it's been all Blackberrys and iPhones, with a rare Android sighting.

It's interesting though that Blackberry, which isn't really even a smart phone, is still so popular. Those things are everywhere here, and not just with men in suits, I see a lot of young women with them too.
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nvm, removed post.
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I find this very hard to believe. So Apple with iPhone and iPad has less web usage than RIM, with its reportedly mediocre browser on a few models of their phones?

No way.

Irish company huh? Hmmm.
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Hard to believe.
Personally I wouldn't want to browse web on most of RIM phones.
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Rim, rim, rim!!!
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

My guess is iOS users are spending more time on apps than web browsing.. I know I do. Stuff I'm looking at are ones I could've uses the web to look up but I'm using an app instead to get it (news, sports, fb, etc).

And the disparity will only continue to grow. However, this is by design. Steve Jobs predicted that people would spend less time on the web and more time on Apps which makes for more effective advertising. Apple isn't going after web advertising, it's going after in app advertising.
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

My guess is iOS users are spending more time on apps than web browsing.. I know I do. Stuff I'm looking at are ones I could've uses the web to look up but I'm using an app instead to get it (news, sports, fb, etc).

I concur good sir, exactly.
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Originally Posted by Roos24 View Post

I find this very hard to believe. So Apple with iPhone and iPad has less web usage than RIM, with its reportedly mediocre browser on a few models of their phones?

No way.

Irish company huh? Hmmm.



What does being Irish have to do with your accusations that they are liars? Are you saying that Irish people are liars in general?
post #13 of 114
keep flooding the market with cheap smartphones and you'll get large data usage. You won't make squat in profits.
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Originally Posted by stophobophobia View Post

And the disparity will only continue to grow. However, this is by design. Steve Jobs predicted that people would spend less time on the web and more time on Apps



But he also said that third-party apps are unnecessary on the iPhone because of rich web apps.

I don't know what to believe anymore.
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Interesting that this would happen after Apple beats RiM in unit sales. It seems odd that as Apples user base grows that RiM would be catching up after iOS has such a large lead. It makes me wonder if RiM has bested Apple this past month in unit sales and what(if) theyve done to their OS to make browsing on it so much more useful.


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My guess is iOS users are spending more time on apps than web browsing.. I know I do. Stuff I'm looking at are ones I could've uses the web to look up but I'm using an app instead to get it (news, sports, fb, etc).

Does StatCounter not capture data from apps, too? I was under the impression that apps connected to the internet via HTTP requests and were therefore added to these results.


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Originally Posted by drewyboy View Post

It's because of tiered data plans. Plain and simple.

I love how plain and simple is derived from no hard evidence and with a complete lack of considering other variables. This is only StatCounters info, which is highly limited in scope, but most glaring is the fact that very few users ever exceeded the limits of what is now offered by tiered plans from AT&T. Therefore, for your comment to be a plain and simple truth users would have to be artificially limiting their usage to a fraction of their tiered data limits. For us to believe that youll have to provide some evidence to support your claim.
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Such a jump does seem strange BB 6 with it's new webkit based browser is still not available on many devices.

Are these hits coming from BIS?

Maybe RIM has started caching data on their servers which could explain this.
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post #17 of 114
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Originally Posted by alma View Post

But he also said that third-party apps are unnecessary on the iPhone because of rich web apps.

He never said that.
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Originally Posted by hill60 View Post

Such a jump does seem strange BB 6 with it's new webkit based browser is still not available on many devices.

Are these hits coming from BIS?

Maybe RIM has started caching data on their servers which could explain this.

That does make more sense. Whatever the reason for the jump StatCounter and this article are missing a piece of the puzzle. I give it 6 hours before more information as to why' comes out.
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

My guess is iOS users are spending more time on apps than web browsing.. I know I do. Stuff I'm looking at are ones I could've used the web to look up but I'm using an app instead to get it (news, sports, fb, etc).

good thinking!
and after I got Atomic Web browser I often make it to be identified simply as a Safari (not Mobile) browser.
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There is nothing about this article that rings true.
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Agreed, most people are using apps for their internet services.

Correct smartphone comparison: amount of data used per month.
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

My guess is iOS users are spending more time on apps than web browsing.. I know I do. Stuff I'm looking at are ones I could've used the web to look up but I'm using an app instead to get it (news, sports, fb, etc).

That was my exact thinking. I remember a while ago, someone said Apps were sanitizing the web because instead of people going to websites, they just open the app instead.

Blackberry isn't getting any more popular, although I know that's how the company will spin it. Blackberry has fewer apps so their users are forced to surf the web instead of opening the app.
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For one thing it probably takes far longer to achieve anything on the web using a BB.
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post #24 of 114
The blackberry browser sucks - not seen the very latest version but on every Blackberry I owned and used browsing the Internet was damn painful and I never used it unless I was desperate. On the iPhone I can't believe how much I use the browser - in bed on an evening, waiting for appointments, cooking tea etc etc
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

He never said that.

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=503

There is also a video in that link, too, showing Steve tout the Web 2.0 + AJAX capabilities, saying that this was how developers were going to develop apps for the iPhone. So the original poster was right, people just tend to conveniently forget this fact since the App Store has been the success it is.

edit: no link this time, but I would also like to add that Apple added the SDK after its developers started crying out that it's "revolutionary" web app model wasn't all it was cracked up to be.
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Originally Posted by Chaseism View Post

That was my exact thinking. I remember a while ago, someone said Apps were sanitizing the web because instead of people going to websites, they just open the app instead.

Blackberry isn't getting any more popular, although I know that's how the company will spin it. Blackberry has fewer apps so their users are forced to surf the web instead of opening the app.

A lot of the apps on Blackberry are also simply just shortcut links to web sites too, so it's kind of deceiving.
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Whoops, sorry, that's probably my fault. My wife's company gave her a Blackberry and she couldn't work out how to use it, so I tried to make it work. Must have left that thing hooked up to the internet for the whole month without knowing it .....
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http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=503

There is also a video in that link, too, showing Steve tout the Web 2.0 + AJAX capabilities, saying that this was how developers were going to develop apps for the iPhone. So the original poster was right, people just tend to conveniently forget this fact since the App Store has been the success it is.

No, he’s not correct. He clearly stated, "[Jobs] said that third-party apps are unnecessary.” Note that just before pimping the usability of the Safari browser, one of the crowning features of iOS then and now, Jobs explained how Google Maps in the browser wasn’t nearly as good as the native Maps app they created using the Google Maps APIs, which is evidence that Apple knew that apps can offer a better experience than using a web browser. Not having an SDK available at the launch of iPhone OS v1.0 is not equatable to saying that 3rd party apps are unnecessary. Maybe some other platforms could have faired better had they released a good SDK. *cough* WebOS *cough*
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

My guess is iOS users are spending more time on apps than web browsing.. I know I do. Stuff I'm looking at are ones I could've used the web to look up but I'm using an app instead to get it (news, sports, fb, etc).

Bingo! NYT app, huffington post app, espn app, yelp, etc, ad nausium. That's all time that would be normally spent in a browser. And Jobs predicted and planned for this so all is going according to plan for apple. If anything, this is really bad news for google.
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No, hes not correct. He clearly stated, "[Jobs] said that third-party apps are unnecessary. Note that just before pimping the usability of the Safari browser, one of the crowning features of iOS then and now, Jobs explained how Google Maps in the browser wasnt nearly as good as the native Maps app they created using the Google Maps APIs, which is evidence that Apple knew that apps can offer a better experience than using a web browser. Not having an SDK available at the launch of iPhone OS v1.0 is not equatable to saying that 3rd party apps are unnecessary. Maybe some other platforms could have faired better had they released a good SDK. *cough* WebOS *cough*

He also said that they would be able to develop apps that worked as well as apps already on the phone, so he contradicted himself in the same speech! I love my Apple products and follow the company probably a little too closely, so don't take these posts as troll-ish, but Steve does have a way of bashing or dismissing something and then coming back with a better version of said thing a little while later. Maybe we should just expect Apple to release anything they specifically say they don't like. (Hello, bigger screen on the iPhone 5!!! )
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These stats are totally bogus. A third grader could figure out that there is no way these stats are accurate.
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Originally Posted by Tardis View Post

Whoops, sorry, that's probably my fault. My wife's company gave her a Blackberry and she couldn't work out how to use it, so I tried to make it work. Must have left that thing hooked up to the internet for the whole month without knowing it .....

Maybe all of this "mobile web browsing" is coming out of RIM's campus in Waterloo... I'm just sayin'.
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He also said that they would be able to develop apps that worked as well as apps already on the phone, so he contradicted himself in the same speech! I love my Apple products and follow the company probably a little too closely, so don't take these posts as troll-ish, but Steve does have a way of bashing or dismissing something and then coming back with a better version of said thing a little while later. Maybe we should just expect Apple to release anything they specifically say they don't like. (Hello, bigger screen on the iPhone 5!!! )

Thats marketing and showmanship, but to say that they felt other apps were unnecessary or, as some suggest, that they scrapped together an SDK after the developers cried foul is patently false.
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"We just got a big kickback from BlackBerry and Android," said StatCounter Chief Executive Aodhan Cullen.

Fixed it for ya there...
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After perusing StatCounter's web site and reading their full article on this report, I have a number of questions/issues.
  • StatCounter measured iOS usage. Do I conclude that it includes the iPhone and iPad?
  • The web pages, 3 million sites, that they measure are not random but site specific. They are registered by the site owner.
  • Since the release of the iPad, I have dramatically reduced my web browsing on the iPhone
  • However, the more that I use the iPad the more I find I am using the apps and the less I and surfing on the web.
  • And finally, never having had a RIM product, how is it that such a significant swing in usage can be accomplished with rather limited sales-to-date and availability of necessary products and software?
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Fixed it for ya there...

Given the dramatic difference in numbers compared to AdMob, I wouldn't be at all surprised. If anything, it does make the numbers seem suspect (perhaps on both sides).
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I never browse internet on my iPhone, unless I absolutely must, because frankly the user experience is horrible even with mobile versions of websites on a screen of that small size (plus mobile safari does not have adblock which is essential tool, and that makes it kind of useless, since I don't want to download 1-2 MB of image ads each time I visit a page).

I get to data online though all the time, through dedicated apps. I do Google searches (often using voice recognition to find an address, or phone number etc). I do email etc but not through a browser.

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post #38 of 114
I don't buy it—it doesn't jive with statistics I've seen and it doesn't jive with statistics I can find. Will wait to see if others are reporting the same. My websites certainly aren't, even the business oriented ones, and it doesn't make sense.

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I never browse internet on my iPhone, unless I absolutely must, because frankly the user experience is horrible even with mobile versions of websites on a screen of that small size (plus mobile safari does not have adblock which is essential tool, and that makes it kind of useless, since I don't want to download 1-2 MB of image ads each time I visit a page).

It isn't an ideal experience, sure, but the mobile browsing experience on iPhone is better than that of any other smartphone or similar device (unless you move into something like the iPad). Android can be very nice as well, depending on the device. RIM is far behind. Their newest device, based on Mobile Safari, is actually decent in terms of web browsing, but it is statistically insignificant for now. Browsing the web on the old-school BlackBerry is what sadness is made of.

And ads are nowhere near that large. Entire page loads are rarely ever that large, unless they are quite multimedia/Flash heavy.
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pls disregard
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NetMarketShare has iPhone at 0.85%, Blackberry 0.11%, iOS total at 1.37%, Android total at .31%.
iPhone growth and Android growth rates are about even, Blackberry growth is falling behind both of them. iOS is faster than Android given ipad and ipod touch usage. Symbian is not growing at all.
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