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post #41 of 114
I know my "internet" usage dropped substantially because of the apps that were available.

These are a small sampling of all websites that I used to visit using Safari, that I don't anymore:

nytimes.com
yelp.com
seamlessweb.com
imdb.com
rottentomatoes.com
appleinsider.com (thru newsreader)

etc...
post #42 of 114
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What does being Irish have to do with your accusations that they are liars? Are you saying that Irish people are liars in general?

paging Ireland....
post #43 of 114
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Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post

I know my "internet" usage dropped substantially because of the apps that were available.

These are a small sampling of all websites that I used to visit using Safari, that I don't anymore:

nytimes.com
yelp.com
seamlessweb.com
imdb.com
rottentomatoes.com
appleinsider.com (thru newsreader)

etc...

But aren’t they all still pulling the data using HTTP? Wouldn’t StatCounter still count them if they monitor those sites or is this really only about the dedicated Safari browser in iOS and no other app being counted?
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post #44 of 114
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What does being Irish have to do with your accusations that they are liars? Are you saying that Irish people are liars in general?

No. What I was suggesting is that Ireland has a lot of problems as we speak and perhaps they got a little confused...
post #45 of 114
There's really not much to do on a Blackberry except messaging, email, and browse the web. Their app selection is dismal, nothing exciting and fun.
post #46 of 114
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Originally Posted by extremeskater View Post

Seeing this was only in the US, could this just siimply be the fact that ATT no longer offers unlimited data. Maybe iPhone users are just more aware of their data usage now that there is a cap.

Not sure if that plays into this.

I’d say that is highly unlikely. When AT&T mentioned first mentioned the tiered data plans posters on tech forms stated their usage, and I had people i know send me their usage stats from AT&T’s sites. No one was using over 2GB unless they were illegally tethering and most we’re using under 200MB, and those people would have just continued using the unlimited plans, as well as others who didn’t want to let it go for the $5 to $15 month savings.

I think this change isn’t less data being used per iPhone, but StatCounter’s measuring not accounting for all cellular data or missing some other key element.

PS: I used 90GB last month. New personal best. hehe (Yeah, I’m the reason AT&T had to moved to a tiered plan).
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post #47 of 114
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Id say that is highly unlikely. When AT&T mentioned first mentioned the tiered data plans posters on tech forms stated their usage, and I had people i know send me their usage stats from AT&Ts sites. No one was using over 2GB unless they were illegally tethering and most were using under 200MB, and those people would have just continued using the unlimited plans, as well as others who didnt want to let it go for the $5 to $15 month savings.

I think this change isnt less data being used per iPhone, but StatCounters measuring not accounting for all cellular data or missing some other key element.

PS: I used 90GB last month. New personal best. hehe (Yeah, Im the reason AT&T had to moved to a tiered plan).


how did you use 90GB?
post #48 of 114
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how did you use 90GB?

Long story short, I had a lot of UN documents to upload to Wikileaks.
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post #49 of 114
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

But arent they all still pulling the data using HTTP? Wouldnt StatCounter still count them if they monitor those sites or is this really only about the dedicated Safari browser in iOS and no other app being counted?

Would it not have to have the code embedded in the app?
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What is STATCOUNTER?
A free yet reliable invisible web tracker, highly configurable hit counter and real-time detailed web stats. Insert a simple piece of our code on your web page or blog and you will be able to analyse and monitor all the visitors to your website in real-time!

http://statcounter.com/


post #50 of 114
Every so often, generally proceeding from a succession of favorable Apple news and objective reports, the tech blogosphere goes on a rampage with Apple's doomsday scenarios. Let's feed some comfortable retorts to non-Apple readers, we can almost hear them say...

"Google nearly ready to challenge Apple, Amazon with e-bookstore.
..., posing a threat to Apple's new iBookstore, according to a new report."

"RIM's BlackBerry overtakes Apple's iPhone in US browser usage"

It doesn't feel right because it mostly ain't. It's purely a matter of readership retention and it should be taken in as some soothing metaphor for a grieving anti-Apple sore. Bias sorta foots the Blogosphere's bills like Truth could never dream to do.

Let the real metrics speak for themselves, ...and without further ado.
post #51 of 114
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Originally Posted by Onhka View Post

Would it not have to have the code embedded in the app?

Dont HTTP requests sent from apps include the User Agent, and therefor would be picked up by these 3M sites? (Im asking, its the impression I had, but I honestly dont know how the apps that access the internet are sending and receiving the data).
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post #52 of 114
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Originally Posted by brianloftus View Post

NetMarketShare has iPhone at 0.85%, Blackberry 0.11%, iOS total at 1.37%, Android total at .31%.
iPhone growth and Android growth rates are about even, Blackberry growth is falling behind both of them. iOS is faster than Android given ipad and ipod touch usage. Symbian is not growing at all.

This is more believable. The stats quoted in this article seem a bit fantastic, putting RIM ahead of both iPhone (apparently just iPhone, not iOS, but still not credible) and Android. Most likely their methodology is entirely flawed, or the stats are just completely bogus.
post #53 of 114
That's bullshit, hardly anyone uses a blackberry for web browsing. Web browsing on a blackberry is pure hell. I'll be surprise if Rim had even more web market share than Palm.
post #54 of 114
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Originally Posted by Roos24 View Post

I find this very hard to believe. So Apple with iPhone and iPad has less web usage than RIM, with its reportedly mediocre browser on a few models of their phones?

No way.

Irish company huh? Hmmm.



I agree. This sounds like total nonsense.
post #55 of 114
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He also said that they would be able to develop apps that worked as well as apps already on the phone, so he contradicted himself in the same speech! I love my Apple products and follow the company probably a little too closely, so don't take these posts as troll-ish, but Steve does have a way of bashing or dismissing something and then coming back with a better version of said thing a little while later. Maybe we should just expect Apple to release anything they specifically say they don't like. (Hello, bigger screen on the iPhone 5!!! )

And some people need to get over the fact that companies frame things in a way that suits their needs best at the moment, and things change.
They also have to dissuade themselves of the conceit that a multi-billion corporation that plans years down the road just threw an API together in a few months because of the hissy-fits of developers.
Anyone who doesn't believe that apps weren't a part of the plan from day one is hopelessly naive.
post #56 of 114
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Originally Posted by Onhka View Post

Would it not have to have the code embedded in the app?

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Don’t HTTP requests sent from apps include the User Agent, and therefor would be picked up by these 3M sites? (I’m asking, it’s the impression I had, but I honestly don’t know how the apps that access the internet are sending and receiving the data).

This sounds like the basic 1px x 1px invisible/transparent GIF stuck on the web page. It's retrieved from the tracking company's site, so they just count how many times it's retrieved by each user agent. Similar to the way companies track emails to see if they are opened. (Another reason to set your mail client not to load images.) The problem with this is that it only tracks participating sites, which aren't necessarily representative. All it would mean is that, for those sites, which are unknown to us, there was x amount of traffic from individual browsers. Most likely, the browser traffic to "participating sites" in this case is overrepresented by RIM browser traffic, which could well be because iOS and Android offer apps to retrieve the same content, apps which don't hit the tracking pixel or where the user agent doesn't exactly match Safari for iPhone.
post #57 of 114
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Originally Posted by matrix07 View Post

Hard to believe.
Personally I wouldn't want to browse web on most of RIM phones.

I don't want to be an Apple fanatic & defend them at all costs, but something is definitely strange about these stats. iPhone continues to sell like crazy as does the iPad yet they are dropping in usage? So either all the new iPad & iPhone users are not using their devices for web at all or something is severely skewing this data.

Google & RIM's gains however ought to be a wakeup to Apple that they are not so far ahead that the others can't catch up. If they don't break exclusivity from AT&T soon it's really going to hurt them.
post #58 of 114
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And some people need to get over the fact that companies frame things in a way that suits their needs best at the moment, and things change.
They also have to dissuade themselves of the conceit that a multi-billion corporation that plans years down the road just threw an API together in a few months because of the hissy-fits of developers.
Anyone who doesn't believe that apps weren't a part of the plan from day one is hopelessly naive.

Clearly, Cocoa Touch was already under development with the initial release of the iPhone, since that's what Apple's apps were using. My guess is that Cocoa Touch was still very rudimentary at that point, and that they didn't have the App Store infrastructure in place (and maybe hadn't fully decided how they were going to handle 3rd-party app distribution).

Web apps in most cases totally suck, and always will in comparison to native apps. And I don't think Apple has any illusions about this. Which is not to say they don't believe in an open, standards based web; an open, standards based web still has great strategic importance for Mac and iOS.
post #59 of 114
How do you even begin to get 15 billion records into a database and which 3 million websites just give up their log files?

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post #60 of 114
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Don’t HTTP requests sent from apps include the User Agent, and therefor would be picked up by these 3M sites? (I’m asking, it’s the impression I had, but I honestly don’t know how the apps that access the internet are sending and receiving the data).

It wouldn't be picked up if the App developer didn't insert the required StatCounter code on their own site that is being visited.
post #61 of 114
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This sounds like the basic 1px x 1px invisible/transparent GIF stuck on the web page. It's retrieved from the tracking company's site, so they just count how many times it's retrieved by each user agent. Similar to the way companies track emails to see if they are opened. (Another reason to set your mail client not to load images.) The problem with this is that it only tracks participating sites, which aren't necessarily representative. All it would mean is that, for those sites, which are unknown to us, there was x amount of traffic from individual browsers. Most likely, the browser traffic to "participating sites" in this case is overrepresented by RIM browser traffic, which could well be because iOS and Android offer apps to retrieve the same content, apps which don't hit the tracking pixel or where the user agent doesn't exactly match Safari for iPhone.

If they are going for the low-rent method of the 1px^2 GIF then what I started earlier likely wouldnt be recorded. I assumed that these sites were giving them User Agent data as collected directly by each sites servers.
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post #62 of 114
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How do you even begin to get 15 billion records into a database and which 3 million websites just give up their log files?

Tracking pixels, see above.
post #63 of 114
Every iOS device was usable for internet activities straight out of the box. Not so with RIM's phones which are now only becoming usable for the internet. As people turnover their Blackberries for new models, that's automatically putting more internet capable devices (from a practical standpoint) out in the marketplace without RIM having to grow market share at all. My guess is that has something to do with RIM's increasing share of mobile internet demand over time.
post #64 of 114
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

If they are going for the low-rent method of the 1px^2 GIF then what I started earlier likely wouldnt be recorded. I assumed that these sites were giving them User Agent data as collected directly by each sites servers.

It's definitely that, or some variation on that theme.
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

My guess is iOS users are spending more time on apps than web browsing.. I know I do. Stuff I'm looking at are ones I could've used the web to look up but I'm using an app instead to get it (news, sports, fb, etc).

I agree 110%. Apps are way more efficient in consuming online data.
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This sounds like the basic 1px x 1px invisible/transparent GIF stuck on the web page. It's retrieved from the tracking company's site, so they just count how many times it's retrieved by each user agent. Similar to the way companies track emails to see if they are opened. (Another reason to set your mail client not to load images.) The problem with this is that it only tracks participating sites, which aren't necessarily representative. All it would mean is that, for those sites, which are unknown to us, there was x amount of traffic from individual browsers. Most likely, the browser traffic to "participating sites" in this case is overrepresented by RIM browser traffic, which could well be because iOS and Android offer apps to retrieve the same content, apps which don't hit the tracking pixel.

Didn't even think of this before either, Apple has been tightening data collection. Newly implemented security measures could also account for some of this, a decrease in allowed data collection would also decrease visible footprint of a particular OS.

Give this a few days, someone will come out with their own statistics countering these and probably on the opposite side of the spectrum, then another countering that, and another, and so on. At the end of the day we probably will never get good clarification on this but someone will find a way to turn it into a negative ad campaign.
post #67 of 114
aren't blackberries pretty much free with contract these days? By one, get 12 free?
post #68 of 114
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Give this a few days, someone will come out with their own statistics countering these and probably on the opposite side of the spectrum, then another countering that, and another, and so on.

I gave it 6 hours.
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post #69 of 114
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Tracking pixels, see above.

I see. Are there really 3 million website that use StatCounter? I thought everyone used Omniture or Analytics. Which by the way I noticed that Apple uses Omniture and not Analytics. They may hate Adobe but they apparently hate Google more.

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post #70 of 114
Article says "U.S. mobile Internet usage". Per an ops post, StartCounter is monitoring 'specific mobile site usage'.

Clearly(I think), for 'internet' usage, there are many other 'internet' sites that are used by iOS or android devises; and as others have stated, apps falls into this category. So, this sounds very likely the only thing a boo-berry can do(some trash talk for BB fans).

It appears that StatCounter statistics are just a slice of general internet usage information.

There are lies, damnable lies, and statistics.
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I see. Are there really 3 million website that use StatCounter? I thought everyone used Omniture or Analytics. Which by the way I noticed that Apple uses Omniture and not Analytics. They may hate Adobe but they apparently hate Google more.

As every right thinking person should.

They could be rounding up to the nearest 3 million. But, the main problem with these sorts of stats is that there's never any guarantee that any tracking service has a representative sample of web sites. So, while the stats may be interesting to individual sites, in aggregate they may be entirely meaningless, which these seem to be.
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As every right thinking person should.

Here we go again...

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post #73 of 114
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My guess is iOS users are spending more time on apps than web browsing.. I know I do. Stuff I'm looking at are ones I could've used the web to look up but I'm using an app instead to get it (news, sports, fb, etc).

My thoughts exactly. I use apps way more than the browser.
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Here we go again...

Well, Google misses no opportunity to invade our privacy, so why should I miss an opportunity to point it out.
post #75 of 114
I'm sorry but these stats just don't pass the smell test. Everywhere I go I see tons of iPhones and very few BBs. Anecdotal evidence aside . . .
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post #76 of 114
This is the perfect example of a stats company using an outdated methodology to collect its data then getting publicity from a big headline.

By every other measure on the planet, RIM's market share of web traffic is hardly worth counting, and when you consider the transactional value of web traffic, the measure that investment communities use, the ratio for iOS: Android: RIM: Nokia is around 100: 18: 3: 1.

*That* is why *web* developers focus on iOS. It makes them money and the other platforms don't. The value ratio for apps is waaaay higher still. Take a look at sales figures relating to iOS and Android apps. Lots of apps, not much money in everywhere but the iOS app store.
post #77 of 114
Why does this have anything to do with developers? We need to write more Blackberry apps to bring their web usage stats down? Until Blackberry and Android create a market that works and come out with an SDK that is comparable to UIKit, there will be few apps on their platforms.
post #78 of 114
I would be intersted to see how StatCounter derived at these numbers.
Was Using Apps actually browser usage as many involve internet connection and Data usage??
Was it calculated by Data Usage???
Was it merely a survey???
post #79 of 114
As others have said... it's because of apps. I constantly use apps for things that, even on my Mac, I would have used Safari for.

Want to check sports scores? APP.
Mass transit schedules? APP.
News? APP.
Email? APP.
Need a map? APP.
Facebook. APP.
Find a movie in theatres. APP.
Forget going out. Let's stay home and find a movie on Netflix instead. APP!

I almost never use Safari. It's not even on my home screen anymore.
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As others have said... it's because of apps. I constantly use apps for things that, even on my Mac, I would have used Safari for.

Want to check sports scores? APP.
Mass transit schedules? APP.
News? APP.
Email? APP.
Need a map? APP.
Facebook. APP.
Find a movie in theatres. APP.
Forget going out. Let's stay home and find a movie on Netflix instead. APP!

I almost never use Safari. It's not even on my home screen anymore.

I'm beginning to see a pattern here. All of those types of activities whether on a web page or an app are generally provided by big time ecommerce sites which I doubt would use a third rate stats provider. They would be using the Big Time stats provider so that kind of high quality traffic is not going to be reported by StatCounter.

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