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Verizon's high-speed 4G long-term evolution network, which the company's CEO has publicly said Apple is interested in, will debut this weekend, bringing 10 times faster download speeds to USB modems this year, and smartphones in 2011.

Verizon announced that it will launch the world's first large-scale 4G LTE network this Sunday, Dec. 5 in 38 metropolitan areas and more than 60 commercial airports across the U.S. Data plans will run $50 for 5GB per month, or $80 for 10GB.

4G LTE mobile broadband offers speeds up to 10 times faster than Verizon's current 3G network. The carrier has said it expects real-world data rates of between 5 and 12 megabits per second downstream, and 2 to 5 Mbps up.

"Beginning Sunday, Verizon Wireless is making the best network even better," said Dan Mead, president and chief executive officer of Verizon Wireless. "Our initial 4G LTE launch gives customers access to the fastest and most advanced mobile network in America and immediately reaches more than one-third of all Americans, right where they live.

"That's just the start. We will quickly expand 4G LTE, and by 2013 will reach the existing Verizon Wireless 3G coverage area."

Access to the 4G network will be limited at launch to two USB modems. Verizon has said that smartphones with access to the 4G network will be introduced next year.

While the initial launch is limited to 38 markets and 60 major airports, covering 110 million people, Verizon has said that its 4G network will be nationwide by 2013.

"We are building our 4G LTE network with the same commitment to performance and reliability for which we have long been recognized," Mead said. "Our commitment to superior network performance, combined with broad 4G coverage areas and the strong value of our data plans make 4G LTE Mobile Broadband the best choice for laptop users."



Verizon's 4G network could play a major role in the future of the iPhone. Currently the iPhone is exclusive to rival carrier AT&T in the U.S., but numerous mainstream media outlets have indicated that the iPhone will debut on the Verizon network in early 2011.

In an interview last month, Verizon Chief Executive Ivan Seidenberg said his company's 4G network has attracted the attention of Apple. Talks between the two companies regarding the 4G network eventually led to the iPad being sold through Verizon, bundled with a MiFi mobile hotspot. He did not, however, indicate whether the iPhone is coming to Verizon.

While Verizon has wider 3G coverage than AT&T, its bandwidth speeds are slower than the exclusive carrier of the iPhone in the U.S. A recent third-party test found that AT&T's network is 20 to 60 percent faster than its competitors.
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This isn't 'real' 4G though is it? Not my area of expertise.
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One can only hope. By the way if you are wondering why some of is would like to see USB ports in the iPad here is a good example.

The rates are a bit stiff so a sale isn't given. This is an issue that can best be resolved with stiff competition.
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Aren't these the same prices as their current 3G network? If so, since this is so much faster, you will run up against your plans data cap a lot faster as well.

Seems like a good deal for Verizon. Offer a much faster service with the same prices but since people will probably end up using it more they will end up paying a lot more.

Time to buy some Verizon stock.

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post #5 of 39
Are those real world speeds or theoretical speeds?
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Oh cool. OK- so a faster network means higher prices. Dumbasses. so when is SPRINT getting the iPhone?
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This isn't 'real' 4G though is it? Not my area of expertise.

Why do you say that? It's 4G LTE, 4G LTE Advanced is a whole other 'can of worms' however.
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Are those real world speeds or theoretical speeds?

Theoretical is 100 Mbps downstream, so I would presume 5-12 is real world.
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Originally Posted by CLEAR4G View Post

Have you seen Clearwire's official response? Find out what they think the definition of 4G is. http://www.clear.com/blog/2010/12/01...n-soup-debate/

By the way @Wizard69, you CAN get 4G on the iPad. Clear's iSpot gives you unlimited data for $25/mo. Check the site for details.

Wizard69 probably meant an iPad with 4G radios inside. Meaning it doesn't need a mobile hotspot device to use 4G. Like the original iPad comes with 3G radios inside of it.
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Why do you say that? It's 4G LTE, 4G LTE Advanced is a whole other 'can of worms' however.

Well as I said it's not my area I thought it required 100 Mbps d/l speeds but I read many things like this on CNN only today, so it is confusing ...

CNN: "What all of these so-called 4G networks have in common is that they don't meet the technical specification for a real fourth-gen network. But these high-speed wireless networks are the best mainstream ones we have in the United States" http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/....4g/index.html

And more here:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/01/tech...myth/index.htm
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Are those real world speeds or theoretical speeds?

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Well as I said it's not my area but I read many things like this on CNN only today, so it is confusing ...

CNN: "What all of these so-called 4G networks have in common is that they don't meet the technical specification for a real fourth-gen network. But these high-speed wireless networks are the best mainstream ones we have in the United States" http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/mobile/....4g/index.html

In a way, CNN are correct by saying that it does not meet the specs of a 4G [LTE A] network, but LTE, LTE A, & WiMax are all commonly referred to as "4G" which is why there's a grey area in cases like this.
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In a way, CNN are correct by saying that it does not meet the specs of a 4G [LTE A] network, but LTE, LTE A, & WiMax are all commonly referred to as "4G" which is why there's a grey area in cases like this.

Ok I get it, the term 4G is being corrupted by marketing spin. So my initial question at the top of the thread wasn't such a strange question after all as in not deserving the 'Why would you say that?' comment.
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One can only hope. By the way if you are wondering why some of is would like to see USB ports in the iPad here is a good example.

You don't need a USB port for that. Verizon will probably have WiFi hotspots that connect to their 4G network. And even failing that, they'll have devices that connect to the dock port.

Why do people keep begging for a physical USB port when there are alternate ways of achieving the same objective?

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I wonder what their LTE cell phone data plans are going to cost since these plans are just for their mobile broadband cards.
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Verizon's 4G network could play a major role in the future of the iPhone.



I expect the iPhone to be the first 4G phone on Verizon. It all fits.
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Aren't these the same prices as their current 3G network? If so, since this is so much faster, you will run up against your plans data cap a lot faster as well.

How does that work? The webpages load faster, but contain no more data.
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Isn't that pretty expensive? $50/month? That's just for data isn't it? AT&T's current rate is $30/month, I think, isn't it? And, it's too high for me, considering how there are four phones in our family...
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According to many not just CNN, there is no true 4G yet and not going to be for awhile. It's all marketing spin:

4G is a myth (and a confusing mess)
http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/01/tech...myth/index.htm
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Well as I said it's not my area I thought it required 100 Mbps d/l speeds but I read many things like this on CNN only today, so it is confusing ...

Under the IMT Advanced requirements 4G requires that the technology be capable of 1000Mbps (1Gbps). This is why Verizon's LTE is NOT 4G as it can only do 100Mbps. LTE Advanced will most likely make the grade, but that is not slated for certification until 2011.

What is VERY sad is that they are calling their service "4G" yet the speeds are only 25% of 3G speeds. I really would love to see the hammer fall on the use of "4G" as it is being mis-used and purposely misrepresented by companies like Verizon.
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Isn't that pretty expensive? $50/month? That's just for data isn't it? AT&T's current rate is $30/month, I think, isn't it? And, it's too high for me, considering how there are four phones in our family...

I thought the same thing. Looks like I'm going to be using 3G for a long time because 4G will put me in the poor house.
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What is VERY sad is that they are calling their service "4G" yet the speeds are only 25% of 3G speeds. I really would love to see the hammer fall on the use of "4G" as it is being mis-used and purposely misrepresented by companies like Verizon.

I'd love to see the hammer fall on pricing plans to get them in line (price to speed) with the rest of the planet.

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Hope 4G LTE isn't 4G "Lite."
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You don't need a USB port for that. Verizon will probably have WiFi hotspots that connect to their 4G network. And even failing that, they'll have devices that connect to the dock port.

Why do people keep begging for a physical USB port when there are alternate ways of achieving the same objective?

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Probably because they are willing to sound stupid in an anonymous bboard because they are too lazy to study the matter in depth and find alternate ways of achieving the same objective.
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How does that work? The webpages load faster, but contain no more data.

But if you can move through data faster you're likely to consume more, since you're spending less time waiting for downloads and more time moving restlessly on to the next thing.
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Under the IMT Advanced requirements 4G requires that the technology be capable of 1000Mbps (1Gbps). This is why Verizon's LTE is NOT 4G as it can only do 100Mbps. LTE Advanced will most likely make the grade, but that is not slated for certification until 2011.

What is VERY sad is that they are calling their service "4G" yet the speeds are only 25% of 3G speeds. I really would love to see the hammer fall on the use of "4G" as it is being mis-used and purposely misrepresented by companies like Verizon.

Well think of it this way: Real world speeds never actually equal theoretical speeds, so if this LTE network can deliver a final speed to each device that's comparable to what a "real 4g network" would deliver, why NOT call it 4g? Obviously I'm just talking straight out of my ass here with no comparable data though...
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Probably because they are willing to sound stupid in an anonymous bboard because they are too lazy to study the matter in depth and find alternate ways of achieving the same objective.

OR

people want usb

hmm....
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Wake me up when *REAL* 4G is available -- i.e. LTE Advanced. Until then, this is ONLY marketing hoopla!!!!
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Isn't that pretty expensive? $50/month? That's just for data isn't it? AT&T's current rate is $30/month, I think, isn't it? And, it's too high for me, considering how there are four phones in our family...

And for T-Mobile, unlimited data AND text is only $19.99.
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And for T-Mobile, unlimited data AND text is only $19.99.

The $50 is for just USB Modem Data, not a data plan for
a phone. AT&T is $60 for 5GB & Tmob is $40 for unlimited
data that's throttled down after 5GB.
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Meh. It's not available in my area although we do have Sprint's WiMax coverage. The real world results are about the same (between 5 and 10 Mbit/sec), but Sprint doesn't have any data caps. So I'm not sure what all the hype is about unless you live in one of Verizon's market cities and you want to reach your bandwidth cap faster than you ever could before.
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Don't get to excited about 4G LTE. Being in NYC where 4G is around (supposedly) Firstly you need a 4G phone, then you need a MI-FI hot spot to really take advantage of it. And after seeing it on a Sprint phone, I can actually say I wasn't too impressed. Perhaps down the road when all networks are 4G this good be good.
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Well think of it this way: Real world speeds never actually equal theoretical speeds, so if this LTE network can deliver a final speed to each device that's comparable to what a "real 4g network" would deliver, why NOT call it 4g? Obviously I'm just talking straight out of my ass here with no comparable data though...

What the other poster quite clearly cites is the theoretical that Verizon claims as 4G must met at the theoretical 100BaseT threshold.

Real 4G theoretical must meet 1000BaseT and it's theoretical threshold.

In short, if the actual is 14MB for the 100BaseT you'd expect around 140MB for the 1000BaseT.

This summary says it all:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMT_Advanced
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I expect the iPhone to be the first 4G phone on Verizon. It all fits.

I highly doubt that for 2 reasons:

1. There is nothing indicating that the current iPhone 4 has LTE capability if it shows up on Verizon. Unless someone else knows something, all the rumors of the Verizon iPhone point to CDMA. Which means that the earliest LTE iPhone will be the iPhone 5 in the middle of the summer.

However, Verizon has plans to release LTE capable phones before the summer, so they already have their choice of phones ready.

2. There are already Android phones capable of LTE being tested right now. The HTC "Mecha" or Incredible HD, the Motorola "Etna" and an unnamed LG phone. All have been reported to be fully functional on LTE.

I'm willing to bet that the first LTE phone to be released on Verizon will run Android.
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1. There is nothing indicating that the current iPhone 4 has LTE capability if it shows up on Verizon.

That would be because it doesn't. The current iPhone can never work on Verizon's network. You need new hardware from scratch.

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I'm willing to bet that the first LTE phone to be released on Verizon will run Android.

Yep, given that the phones'll be announced at CES and the iPhone comes out in June. I buy that.

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I might have missed something, but does the $50 replace the current 3G data plan? Or is it in addition to the 3G data plan?

I'd figure it replaces the 3G data plan and uses 3G as the fallback. It would suck having to pay an additional $50 on top of what I pay now...
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I might have missed something, but does the $50 replace the current 3G data plan? Or is it in addition to the 3G data plan?

I'd figure it replaces the 3G data plan and uses 3G as the fallback. It would suck having to pay an additional $50 on top of what I pay now...

It's in addition to current plan and it does fall back to 3G in the absence of LTE. Guessing
that they may not activate you on that plan if you're not in an LTE area. Sprint is unlimited
4G but caps at 5GB for 3G but both plans are the same cost.
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How does that work? The webpages load faster, but contain no more data.

Yes - but if your page loads in one third the time - unless you read very slowly - you are a lot more likely to consume more content in a given period of time - or spend more of your time overall downloading content - meaning that in a given billing cycle the probability that you will end up with a higher overall data usage is much higher.

Whatever happened to FIOS? Is that still being rolled out? Don't see it as an option where I live - despite being included in this 4G roll out.

I would be interested in comparing my current Cable TV / Internet / Digital Phone service to a FIOS package - on the other hand - we've got 4 new iPhone 4s in the family in the past few months - so might be a couple years before I change anything. Which may be perfect - assuming Apple and Verizon have a second gen LTE iPhone in late 2012 or early 2013 -I would have to give it a serious look.
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In Sweden carrier Telia offers 30 GB a month for about 72 dollars. Download speeds are around 25 megabits/sec.
post #39 of 39
I was on the Verizon site checking the two modem options and saw this note: Not MAC OS compatible at launch

Once again we have to wait for compatibility....
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