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Overseas suppliers have indicated that features like live over-the-air digital TV and pico projectors are coming to smartphones in the near future, leading to speculation that they could end up in Apple's next-generation iPhone.

Analyst Brian White with Ticonderoga Securities is touring Taipei, Taiwan, and China with his team this week. During meetings in Taipei, he said he has heard from suppliers that mobile digital TV and miniature embedded pico projectors are poised to become major selling features in future smartphones.

Though suppliers didn't specifically indicate that Apple plans to include such hardware in its next-generation iPhone, White said he believes the features would be "attractive" candidates for the "iPhone 5," expected to be released in June 2011.

"Watching local TV stations on a smartphone could be an attractive option for some consumers," White wrote in a note to investors. "Additionally, an embedded pico projector allows users to project a slide presentation or video on a wall or other surface in large size, which makes sense for the iPhone 5 in our view, as Apple seeks to expand the features in the next-generation iPhone."

In addition, White said he could see the features also appearing in a future hardware update to the iPad, allowing users to have an "even richer experience."

"It will be interesting to see what new features come with the iPhone 5," White wrote. "Maybe there is an angle that Apple could work into these potential new features as it relates to the iTunes store."

He also noted that iPad and Apple TV sales were recently boosted by Black Friday discounts. He has maintained a prediction of sales of 5.95 million iPads in the December quarter, unchanged by his overseas trip. he also said the Apple TV is "encouraging but will not move the needle" on the company's results.

Though the next-generation iPhone is likely more than six months away, speculation and rumors about Apple's anticipated smartphone update remains. In November, a report claimed that Apple was exploring "remote computing" technology with a near-field communications chip.

It was said that the alleged inclusion of an RFID chip would allow users to securely turn a nearby Mac into their own computer, complete with custom settings and personal passwords. Apple is also rumored to use RFID technology to turn the iPhone into an electronic wallet, allowing users to pay for and authorize transactions on their smartphone.
post #2 of 68
I don't see it. Apple has never been about the feature checklist, and they've been pushing online content distribution pretty hard.
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Seems just like just speculation. Pico projector is more likely a canidate for the IPAD as a presentation would be done on it. Many new viable technologies are around for Apple to choose from. Digital T.V. would be nice if the additional fee is reasonable.
In any case keeping the size of the iPHONE5 reasonable is a major concern also. This might limit Apple as to what they put in the new IPHONE5. One thing is certain, now that Android has produced some heavy competition, whatever Apple decides to do it will have to be a significant update.
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Overseas suppliers have indicated that features like live over-the-air digital TV and pico projectors are coming to smartphones in the near future, leading to speculation that they could end up in Apple's next-generation iPhone....

What a crock.

Pico-projectors are dangerous, minimally useful to a small subset of the population, and eat up batteries like there's no tomorrow.
Apple would have to be completely insane to include a pico projector in the iPhone 5.

Pico-Projectors may impress geeks and infest their dreams, but the average person has no use for one. The technology won't be there for at least five years anyway, and the utility of it is highly questionable.
post #5 of 68
Yeah, this is just pure baseless speculation. And not a very good guess either.

You can already watch Live TV on your iPhone/iPad.
http://www.filmon.com/tv/?mid=13

I don't see Apple putting pico projectors into every iPhone either. It's not something that appeals to most consumers.
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Seems just like just speculation. Pico projector is more likely a canidate for the IPAD as a presentation would be done on it. Many new viable technologies are around for Apple to choose from. Digital T.V. would be nice if the additional fee is reasonable.
In any case keeping the size of the iPHONE5 reasonable is a major concern also. This might limit Apple as to what they put in the new IPHONE5. One thing is certain, now that Android has produced some heavy competition, whatever Apple decides to do it will have to be a significant update.

Yeah, very unlikely. Many cheap feature phones already have TV and never see that many people lured by it. Apple's online distribution just settles the discussion. Pico projector are not that big enticement to me, full AirPlay would be better, don't you think? Now, NFC transactions... boy, that is SWEEEET. If, as reasonably expected, Apple comes with a well thought-out plan for this, it would be enough attractiveness for iPhone 5. Apple rules!!
post #7 of 68
I hope there'll be another drunk Apple engineer who will leave an iPhone 5 prototype in a bar so Jason Chen can get his hands on it and show it to world.
post #8 of 68
Projector sounds way more like an Android feature than iOS.
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Seems just like just speculation. Pico projector is more likely a canidate for the IPAD as a presentation would be done on it. Many new viable technologies are around for Apple to choose from. Digital T.V. would be nice if the additional fee is reasonable.
In any case keeping the size of the iPHONE5 reasonable is a major concern also. This might limit Apple as to what they put in the new IPHONE5. One thing is certain, now that Android has produced some heavy competition, whatever Apple decides to do it will have to be a significant update.

Agree..

Apple can't do a 3G/3GS like update anymore. Competition is catching up and they will have to do an iPhone 4 like leap every year on design and features.
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The iPhone is becoming closer and closer to the Tricorder of Star Trek fame. The future, in respect to hand held devices, is coming much faster than the ubiquity of space travel that the series envisioned.
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post #11 of 68
Pico projector would be the most awesome feature that I never use.

2 weeks standby time
12 hours talk time
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Agree..

Apple can't do a 3G/3GS like update anymore. Competition is catching up and they will have to do an iPhone 4 like leap every year on design and features.

That basic rehteroic has been expressed since the original iPhone. At first it was Apple cant come in and compete in this saturated smartphone market. Then it jumped to the competition is catching up to Apple so fast that Apple will have to compete on bullet point features.

Yet that still hasnt happened so I see no reason why Apple would throw away their focus on usability just to add some pointless features that only appeal to a very small group of people.

Live TV. What infrastructure will they use? Many countries have this, but its poor quality. Its also pretty damn pointless when you have phones with high-speed data and rich 3rd-party apps that can tie into on-demand services, which can include live streaming TV (most notably over Apples open" HTTP Live Streaming).

Pico projector. So they will add as default something that requires large components for a phone, for the worlds smallest smartphone. A feature that hardly anyone needs, and would drain the battery quickly?

I dont see either of these things being a requirement over usability and their current focus on consumer electronics that consumers like and can use.
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Why would Apple focus on any Live TV options? There are several apps and websites that support live television already with additional hardware.

I see Comcast and DirectTV creating an app that lets you watch your TV from anywhere for all the various smartphones, iPhone included (if they haven't already). I also see Sling Media and Orb improving on their technology, which is already pretty great (speaking for Sling, as I have not used Orb yet).

As for the pico projector, I could see having an accessory, but built into your phone seems very inconvenient, not to mention a waste of space. I'm envisioning some big guy sweating over a little iPhone that is projecting while he is trying to give a presentation to a huge board room full of people. It would be comical. Now using the iPhone as a remote for a presentation is a little more realistic and they are already doing it.

Apple has never been one to 'keep up with their neighbors', but they do a great job of taking the competition's ideas that were slapped together quickly and improving on them significantly. It's not about getting to the finish line first, it's about making a great first impression. There are countless examples of this throughout history. Don't expect major changes to iPhone 5. That just isn't how they work.
post #14 of 68
Those don't sound like features Apple would use. I think the 2011 iPhone will have a better dock connector (light peak?) and a faster (or more compatible) radio. The iPhone 4 was such a big update that the next one will just be consolidation.
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Agree..

Apple can't do a 3G/3GS like update anymore. Competition is catching up and they will have to do an iPhone 4 like leap every year on design and features.

Or they could make certain features only available to the latest hardware. Like free Find my Phone only available to iPhone 4.
Edit: Certain software features I meant...
post #16 of 68
Cool feature ... but too many downsides to hope for next year model.

1. Cost ... Portable projector low end are $300.
2. Battery ... it's a very bright lamp
3. Form factor. How they going to squeeze it all in there.
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What a crock.

Pico-projectors are dangerous, minimally useful to a small subset of the population, and eat up batteries like there's no tomorrow.
Apple would have to be completely insane to include a pico projector in the iPhone 5.

Pico-Projectors may impress geeks and infest their dreams, but the average person has no use for one. The technology won't be there for at least five years anyway, and the utility of it is highly questionable.

I agree. This is a very weak attempt at speculation. If Apple is looking to get me to upgrade the big thing would be support for higher bandwidth networks like the 4G LTE. I'm not going to upgrade my phone for an internal projector and I can already watch live tv from my iphone via software if I so chose.

I still think the primary improvements to iPhone 5 will be in the iOS operating system that will ship with it. I think Apple showed us here with 4.21 and AirVideo what amazing things can be done with software improvements to make the device much more useful and to differentiate it from Android/Windows. Maybe I'm alone in this thinking because not everyone owns a 2nd Gen AppleTV and can see the full utility of the change. Still I haven't seen any Android phone that can stream video/audio to a device as elegantly as AirVideo/iOS/AppleTV can. I think as they expand AirVideo out to 3rd Party applications and incorporate it into Mobile Safari it'll be a real game changer for the way I interact with my multimedia content.
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The pico projector is coming, maybe not in the iPhone 5, but in the long run, it will be a useful feature. Just like video conferencing was lame until apple figured out how to implement it simply and painlessly, so it will go with a projector. No one can denybtgat one day it'd be nicer to watch a movie displayed on a wall rather than their tiny cell phone. Again, it may because few years, but eventually it won't kill the battery or be too dim to be useful. Like everyone predicted a front facing camera a year early for the 3GS, I wouldn't be surprised of it was an iPhone 6 feature.

As for live tv, that's dumb, third party apps do this perfectly well. Terrestrial signals have been on there way put for a decade now, like fm, apple won't join a dying system.
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post #19 of 68
All wishful thinking and not at all a prospect for the iPhone. Live TV can already be watched over the Internet. Until pico projectors can push 1000 lumens (i.e. never), they're too lame for Jobs/Apple.
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I would guess wireless headphones more likely, especially since apple just bought a wireless headphone company...
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Apple even admitted to "seeding" alternate design specs on purpose to weed out moles and to throw the competition off-track. This seems to fall into that category.

However, this kind of feature-list is more akin to the other players that feel that the only "superior" phone is the one that has every available feature on it, like the Homer-mobile".

I'll bet that Apple will do what they can to improve the phone by improving battery life, performance, and making it even slimmer than it is now. Apple is all about evolution.
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I would guess wireless headphones more likely, especially since apple just bought a wireless headphone company...

Ah... Wireless headphones. Another way for Apple to sell proprietary stuff. Ever since my first mac (266Mhz PowerMac 3G), I've always been disappointed with their audio options.

Remember they had to have a special microphone, so you couldn't just buy a regular computer mic and plug it in. Then they had the first generation iPhone with it's colossal fail for a headphone jack. Everybody had to rush out to get overpriced adapters just so they could use regular headphones.

Unless Apple is looking at a way to do 'better' bluetooth headphones that any company can sync with, I am not looking forward to this at all.

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What a crock.

Pico-projectors are dangerous, minimally useful to a small subset of the population, and eat up batteries like there's no tomorrow.
Apple would have to be completely insane to include a pico projector in the iPhone 5.

Pico-Projectors may impress geeks and infest their dreams, but the average person has no use for one. The technology won't be there for at least five years anyway, and the utility of it is highly questionable.

But one day in the 007 like future it may not be entirely unlikely. At least I'd like to imagine an iPhone that you can place upright in front of you on a table surface and a forward facing pico projector displays a keyboard on the table top whilst a rearward facing projector projects a much larger screen image on the wall behind. The portable computer of the future.

You have to imagine it before it can be built, right?
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I would guess wireless headphones more likely, especially since apple just bought a wireless headphone company...

That was a rumor. Apple actually came out and set the record straight themselves, they did not buy out the wireless headphone company.
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post #25 of 68
I don't see either one happening for the iPhone 5. It's too late. The phone should already be in beta testing.
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Funny thing is PicoProjector was one thing I heard for iPhone 4 way before it hit any blogs/rumorsites. I do think that people are not thinking differently in the anti-pico comments here, Pico projectors mean whatever screen size you want, great for those 50+ years old eyes. Turn the inbuilt screen off, point pico at a blank piece of paper or any other white surface.

Here's some other cool tech:

http://www.ted.com/talks/pranav_mist...echnology.html
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Doesnt samsung already have a pico projector phone out?
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Don't know about the battery and lumens issues but it might be interesting to use the pico projector to have a full size video chat.
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Don't know about the battery and lumens issues but it might be interesting to use the pico projector to have a full size video chat.

Ha-rumph... ala Star Wars - 'Yes my master.....'

Any who... don't see these things being added.

But, what should be added - hardware wise?

Im hard pressed on how to improve hardware on iphone except for better speed, battery and more memory.
Magnet recharge ala MBP etc.
RFID reader(although that seems pretty niche)
Better(more efficient) GPS.
Yes, one of the few who would like to pick up over air radio.
How about click to talk(is that hardware?)
Flash as a flashlight(sort of there).
Solar recharge via back panel(that makes sense to me)
Have to admit, would like the screen a tad bigger, not much but bigger. 4.3 inch seems good
Integrated rubber bumber case
Toggle button(god and Steve J forbid)

How much more crud can they stuff in this thing and still be usefull?
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Doesnt samsung already have a pico projector phone out?

Yes. Here is a video demo with Dwight Shrut.

http://www.gizmag.com/samsung-pico-p...e-phone/10773/
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post #31 of 68
Highly unlikely.
Apple is pushing AirPlay - why would they split the attention to something like this?
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Nice to see there's some sane people on this thread. The original analyst is just dreaming up random stuff here. Neither the Live TV nor the projector fit in the "Apple" universe.

Live TV isn't going to happen becasue it eliminates the apple store. If Steve Jobs has made one thing clear in all his ventures, he wants Apple to be the content deliverer.

Project is very interesting, but it's a limited technology that actually isn't served very well being attached to the iPhone anyway.... what's much more likely is that a 3rd party will continue developing and supporting something like this. I think the best device out there would be an "Airplay" like device that would do the projector over Wifi.
Anyway... thi sis still such a limited appeal... Apple would never include this. That's a business mindset... not an Apple mindset.
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64 Gig of memory would be far more useful to the average punter than a Pico projector. Movies and music take up a lot of space! Some of the super high quality apps weigh over 700 megs now, a few of those and space is a problem.

That NFC functionality looks way cool though. As long as people can opt out if they wish.

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post #34 of 68
Would the live TV work worldwide? Is everyone on pretty much the same standards now or not?

Cause I can't see Apple going for a hardware feature which is only useful in a couple of territories. I know Apple launch lots of software/services stuff which is US only to begin with, but they can fix that by signing a few contracts and software updates.
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64 Gig of memory would be far more useful to the average punter than a Pico projector. Movies and music take up a lot of space! Some of the super high quality apps weigh over 700 megs now, a few of those and space is a problem.

That NFC functionality looks way cool though. As long as people can opt out if they wish.

I think that additional Flash storage is a separate issue altogether as I doubt Apple will be adding additional chips taking up additional space to increase capacity, but instead wait for the chip density and cost to come to a point allows them to increase capacity without using more space.

In fact, I think its much more likely that Apple would use less chips to get the same capacity for those off capacity increases where adding more storage simply isnt as practical as reducing component size and weight. Have they done this in the iPhone yet?
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post #36 of 68
The Pico, yes, it is a great move, to show photos anywhere, keynotes, and maybe view a movie, that could be awesome if it works great. The TV, no, I don't think so, TV is for iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad what FM Radio is, a competition for the iTunes Movie rentals, any iTunes Movie business or TV shows, as FM Radio is a competition for buying music from iTunes. So TV, no.
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post #37 of 68
I don't expect to see iPhone with a projector, and live TV? Maybe.

I do however expect: Apple to work on polishing its OS.

Over the past 4 years Apple has added feature upon feature upon feature to its OS. I'd expect Apple to now go through and alter a lot of the look and feel of the device, perhaps change the way notifications work (they NEED to be changed) and move into some form of "day view" on the home screen that shows you your calendar plans, your recent notifications, etc.

Apple could then have an "opt in" basis to the new OS, saying an application needs to be modified somewhat to work on iOS 5 and later. Perhaps if they use notifications they need to migrate to the new system. This is pure speculation - they may leave everything in place for older applications, and just opt in to the new changes.

But Apple's OS is the real talking point of every iPhone, no matter what their new "features". The real thing is they software inside the hardware, and it currently seems to be ageing quite dramatically. There are improvements they need to do, and with such an orchestrated environment for the OS they can work on moving applications to new software designs without causing too many problems for older applications.
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But one day in the 007 like future it may not be entirely unlikely. At least I'd like to imagine an iPhone that you can place upright in front of you on a table surface and a forward facing pico projector displays a keyboard on the table top whilst a rearward facing projector projects a much larger screen image on the wall behind. The portable computer of the future.

You have to imagine it before it can be built, right?

Imagination is great. But unless you plan on changing the laws of Physics, you have to work within them. For a projector to be widely worthwhile, you need a certain amount of light, which is far more than the iPhone battery can provide. You may get a pale image in a completely dark room with a perfect projection surface, but filling a wall with a compelling image for an audience? Not so much.

So let your imagination work on laser diodes that approach the theoretical limit for efficiency, and combine that with some imagination on how you're going to increase the iPhone's battery capacity by at least an order of magnitude. And then spend some imagination on the practical implications dissipating that amount of energy -- heat and enough laser energy to start fires and blind people. Insoluble? No. But not by iPhone5.

They could implement a lame projector in iPhone5. I doubt they'd want to but markets can be funny. if Android phones come out with it, it will be interesting to see if Apple follows suit.

Airplay is far more viable, imho. instrumenting the phone to throw any and all output to a big-screen would be a far more successful solution, via AppleTV or directly with HDMI, which is something that *should* be on iPhone5, imho.
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It will be a 3D pico projector. You will set it on your coffee table an an image of a girl in a white dress will pop up saying "Help me, Obi Wan..."
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One thing is certain, now that Android has produced some heavy competition, whatever Apple decides to do it will have to be a significant update.

Why does the strength of a competing OS platform mean Apple has to make a significant hardware update? What software-based killer feature do you think Android and its third-party developers are going to come up with in the next six months that Apple would have to respond to with a "significant" hardware update?
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