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With the launch of the Verizon iPhone widely expected in early 2011, the wireless carrier may pay Apple to keep its smartphone off of rival networks Sprint and T-Mobile.

Analyst Shaw Wu with Kaufman Bros. said in a note to investors on Monday that he has heard from sources that Verizon is now more willing to accept Apple's terms in order to have access to the iPhone. In fact, Verizon may pay Apple even more to ensure that the iPhone remains exclusive to it and AT&T.

"We are hearing that (Verizon) does not want iPhone, the hottest selling smartphone, available on T-Mobile USA and/or Sprint and may be willing to pay for exclusivity to itself and AT&T," Wu wrote. "For these reasons, (Verizon) could be more willing to give in to Apple's terms."

He said that Apple's record-setting iPhone sales, which reached 14.1 million last quarter, have placed Apple in the "driver's seat" when it comes to negotiations. Wu also asserted that Google's Android operating system has begun to "lose some of its luster" at Verizon.

Sources also indicated to Wu that Verizon does not have high hopes for the upcoming BlackBerry 6 OS, which will introduce multi-touch gestures like on the iPhone. Verizon reportedly believes Research in Motion's upcoming mobile operating system will not have a "material impact."

Verizon is the largest wireless carrier in the U.S., with 93 million subscribers, while AT&T is just behind it. Sprint is the third-largest carrier, with 49 million, while T-Mobile is the smallest of the "big four" with 34 million subscribers.

Rumors of a Verizon-compatible iPhone have persisted since Apple's handset first launched in 2007. Since its introduction, it has been exclusive to AT&T in the U.S., though Apple has expanded to more carriers in many other countries around the world.

Numerous mainstream media outlets have reported that Apple will launch a Verizon-compatible CDMA iPhone in early 2011. Externally, the device is expected to look the same as the iPhone 4, but inside it will feature a CDMA chip from Qualcomm, as the current iPhone uses UMTS/HSPA+ technology that is not compatible with Verizon.

Those rumors gained even more credibility when Apple and Verizon partnered to sell the iPad through the carrier bundled with a MiFi 2200 Intelligent Mobile Hotspot, starting in October. The 3G iPad, however, is not compatible with Verizon's network, so the carrier sells the Wi-Fi model bundled with a portable modem.
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Makes no sense for Apple. Android is like a Mac truck bearing down on the iPhone. Apple's gotta go to multiple carriers.
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Dear Verizon,

You may not know this, but I can already use my iPhone with T-Mobile. Also, if Apple is stupid enough to release an iPhone with a CDMA chip, I'll be able to use it with Sprint, too.

Sincerely,

Everyone with an inkling of how to jailbreak/unlock.

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I hope there is a massive write in campaign to Steve Jobs regarding no more exclusivity!

Steve always likes to talk about Karma..., well Steve, that would be instant bad karma gonna get you (in honor of the Beatles on iTunes, I won't put up the rest of the lyrics to Lennon's Instant Karma song, but Steve, you get the point! I hope!!

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Makes no sense for Apple. Android is like a Mac truck bearing down on the iPhone. Apple's gotta go to multiple carriers.

I don't think it's essential to add Sprint and t-mobile. Adding VZ to ATT will give Apple a considerable boost. And if a deal like the one rumored here allows them to increase sales while maintaining margins, then that's a winner.
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Just start selling unlocked and unsubsidized phones in the USA the way it is done elsewhere and be done with this carrier-exclusive BS. The iPad has shown people are willing to pay the price for the device and then negotiate the terms of the carrier of their choice.
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I don't think it's essential to add Sprint and t-mobile. Adding VZ to ATT will give Apple a considerable boost. And if a deal like the one rumored here allows them to increase sales while maintaining margins, then that's a winner.

Of course it isn't essential. Apple will benefit regardless of if it goes with just AT&T and V, or if it also brings in the other carriers. The difference will be for the consumer. The more carriers you have competing for iPhone sales, especially the smaller, more aggressive carriers, the better it will be for the consumer.

Of course, this isn't always the case. In Canada, we have three carrier now carrying the iPhone (and two of their subsidiaries) and plans haven't improved much at all because of it. That is more a problem caused by those same three carriers essentially colluding for years. We have a few new players this year that are taking a bite by actually competing, but for there are many people that won't move to them unless the are compatible with the iPhone.

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post #8 of 99
I was rather hoping the iPhone would come to every carrier except Verizon...
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Makes no sense for Apple. Android is like a Mac truck bearing down on the iPhone. Apple's gotta go to multiple carriers.

I tend to agree with the last sentence.
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post #10 of 99
Obviously it's better if Apple goes multi-carrier rather than only being on AT&T and Verizon, but it's also better if Apple can get on Verizon without compromising on other details, such as a separate Verizon app store, Verizon managed music store, and Verizon stickers on the phone. Sometimes you really do have to compromise, and compromising unit sales for quality is not rare for Apple.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Dear Verizon,

You may not know this, but I can already use my iPhone with T-Mobile. Also, if Apple is stupid enough to release an iPhone with a CDMA chip, I'll be able to use it with Sprint, too.

Sincerely,

Everyone with an inkling of how to jailbreak/unlock.

Umm... I don't think it's that easy to get a Verizon phone onto Sprint's network. I may be wrong, but I think you'll have to call Verizon for a code and I don't know how readily they'll give it to you. Considering that they subsidized the phone and wouldn't be too happy giving the bulk of their earnings (i.e. the plan) to a competing network.
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Umm... I don't think it's that easy to get a Verizon phone onto Sprint's network. I may be wrong, but I think you'll have to call Verizon for a code and I don't know how readily they'll give it to you. Considering that they subsidized the phone and wouldn't be too happy giving the bulk of their earnings (i.e. the plan) to a competing network.

You missed the point.

I'm saying, "screw going through legitimate channels". If my phone is physically capable of running on T-Mobile, I get to use it on T-Mobile. If my phone is physically capable of running on Sprint, I get to run it on Sprint. I'll get this "code" myself by repackaging iOS. Pretty simple.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Dear Verizon,

You may not know this, but I can already use my iPhone with T-Mobile. Also, if Apple is stupid enough to release an iPhone with a CDMA chip, I'll be able to use it with Sprint, too.

Sincerely,

Everyone with an inkling of how to jailbreak/unlock.

And you're probably thinking that Apple must still support you even after jailbreaking your phone? You probably still think you deserve to install Apple software updates as well. Jailbreaking your phone breaks the EULA. You deserve no more support from Apple. You must write your own software updates. Fix your own bugs. You no longer qualify for Apple support.
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And you're probably thinking that Apple must still support you even after jailbreaking your phone? You probably still think you deserve to install Apple software updates as well. Jailbreaking your phone breaks the EULA. You deserve no more support from Apple. You must write your own software updates. Fix your own bugs. You no longer qualify for Apple support.

Some people love the iPhone, but hate that Apple tells them what they can and can't install on it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with jailbreaking, and your comment just sums up what it is to be a mindless follower.

I would bet money that Steve Jobs has an unlocked iphone.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

You missed the point.

I'm saying, "screw going through legitimate channels". If my phone is physically capable of running on T-Mobile, I get to use it on T-Mobile. If my phone is physically capable of running on Sprint, I get to run it on Sprint. I'll get this "code" myself by repackaging iOS. Pretty simple.

I don't think you understand things as well as you are trying to make us believe. iPhone as it is now works on T-Mobile EDGE because they and AT&T use the same frequencies. Sprint and Verizon do not. Yes, they are both CDMA, but without a radio capable of talking to specific frequencies, it is a moot point. Also, you can't just simply unlock a CDMA device, since there is no SIM card you can just swap into it. You literally HAVE to have a carrier activate the phone, so good luck with that process too, even if you did have compatible frequencies.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

You missed the point.

I'm saying, "screw going through legitimate channels". If my phone is physically capable of running on T-Mobile, I get to use it on T-Mobile. If my phone is physically capable of running on Sprint, I get to run it on Sprint. I'll get this "code" myself by repackaging iOS. Pretty simple.

What do you sacrifice when you use an iPhone on an unsupported network? Wouldn't you lose visual voicemail and other features?
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This could raise all types of antitrust red flags.
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Umm... I don't think it's that easy to get a Verizon phone onto Sprint's network. I may be wrong, but I think you'll have to call Verizon for a code and I don't know how readily they'll give it to you. Considering that they subsidized the phone and wouldn't be too happy giving the bulk of their earnings (i.e. the plan) to a competing network.

It isn't. It used to be, but now you have to spoof some sort of internal ID number that exists on their systems. I'm pretty sure that's how Sprint does it at least. Each phone sold has a unique ID hard coded into the device, and that ID must match up with an ID on their system.

I remember with the touch pro, people could take a Sprint phone and get it working on Verizon's system. I never saw anyone do it the other way (not that anyone would want to since Verizon gimped the phone) but I distinctly remember when people had to stop doing it because of some change implemented by Verizon.

Don't think anything has changed with iphones on tmobile, but I could be wrong.
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Some people love the iPhone, but hate that Apple tells them what they can and can't install on it. There is absolutely nothing wrong with jailbreaking, and your comment just sums up what it is to be a mindless follower.

I would bet money that Steve Jobs has an unlocked iphone.

I love my car too, but if I put on aftermarket parts that weren't from the manufacturer, how can I expect support from my car maker if anything goes wrong? It's on me at that point.

Go ahead and jailbreak your phone, more power to you, just don't expect Apple to bail you out if anything goes wrong because of something they didn't make.
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

And you're probably thinking that Apple must still support you even after jailbreaking your phone? You probably still think you deserve to install Apple software updates as well. Jailbreaking your phone breaks the EULA. You deserve no more support from Apple. You must write your own software updates. Fix your own bugs. You no longer qualify for Apple support.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

You certainly live up to your name. Yes, they'll support me when I take it in with stock firmware. I certainly must not "write my own software updates". I'm fixing my own bugs BY jailbreaking. The orientation to mute on the iPad was a bug. I fixed it.

I qualify for support as long as I'm under AppleCare, and afterwards as long as I can pay. Pretty simple.

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I don't think you understand things as well as you are trying to make us believe. iPhone as it is now works on T-Mobile EDGE because they and AT&T use the same frequencies. Sprint and Verizon do not. Yes, they are both CDMA, but without a radio capable of talking to specific frequencies, it is a moot point. Also, you can't just simply unlock a CDMA device, since there is no SIM card you can just swap into it. You literally HAVE to have a carrier activate the phone, so good luck with that process too, even if you did have compatible frequencies.

Admittedly, even though I have a Verizon phone, I know little of CMDA frequencies. Does anyone even make CDMA chips that don't work on every frequency? That's why I said it would be idiotic of Apple to even include a CDMA chip; just make it GSM and LTE. WiMAX is pointless, anyway; I'm just illustrating the point that if one of my possessions works on someone else's network, I'll use it there.

Also, Verizon uses SIM cards with their LTE phones. It's a new era.

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What do you sacrifice when you use an iPhone on an unsupported network? Wouldn't you lose visual voicemail and other features?

Yes. You also gain the ability to actually use the network of your choice. I'd rather not pay $70 a month for phone service when I can keep paying $20 and use Wi-Fi.

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Dear Verizon,

You may not know this, but I can already use my iPhone with T-Mobile. Also, if Apple is stupid enough to release an iPhone with a CDMA chip, I'll be able to use it with Sprint, too.

Sincerely,

Everyone with an inkling of how to jailbreak/unlock.

Dear Tallest Skil,
The VAST majority of iPhone owners do not jailbreak their phones.
Sincerely,
Reality
post #22 of 99
Jailbreaking an iPhone voids the warranty and support... It's not a good idea anyway
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I'd rather see Apple sell the iPhone via Verizon's rivals, so they could gain share against them. Better for Apple in the long run, and better for the consumer to keep wireless choices alive.

At least, if Apple sells the iPhone via Verizon, they should sell via any network. (It's not as if they NEED Verizon's blood money.)

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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

This could raise all types of antitrust red flags.

If that's what it takes to prevent this, I'm all for it.

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You're aware that AT&T is currently paying for exclusivity... right?

That doesn't mean this won't raise concerns. SItuations and perceptions change. AT&T was a weak Number Two carrier when it took on the new invention called the iPhone, and Verizon actually did not want to carry it (under Apple's terms, anyway). An exclusive agreement was seen as 'acceptable', since there was (a) no proof the iPhone would become a game-changing item and (b) no carrier complaining to regulators that they were being shut out.

But in the here-and-now, being able to sell the iPhone is a Big Deal. And Verizon does NOT have (and cannot get!) an exclusive agreement. What they would be doing is paying to keep the iPhone away from CERTAIN competitors.

That's gonna smell bad to regulators. Think Sprint and T-Mobile will complain to the FCC if this happens? You bet they will.
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This could raise all types of antitrust red flags.

You're aware that AT&T is currently paying for exclusivity... right?
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Dear Tallest Skil,
The VAST majority of iPhone owners do not jailbreak their phones.
Sincerely,
Reality

And? I'll continue to do it, as will millions of others. We'll enjoy our network of choice.

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Jailbreaking an iPhone voids the warranty and support... It's not a good idea anyway

Voids it if you're foolish enough to take it to an Apple Store without having restored to the stock firmware, sure.

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post #26 of 99
The FTC will have something to say about that. This is why you will only see something like this on a rumor site.
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I'm not surprise, Verizon is well known for doing that.
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It's not that I don't want a Sprint iPhone because I'm a person that likes choices and would like as many people to have the iphone as possible. Probably one of the only reasons I don't see a sprint phone happening is because sprint has chosen to go a totally different way with their cell technology with WiMax, While Verizon is on LTE now, and AT&T will be going with LTE. This first iPhone coming out on Verizon will undoubtedly be a CDMA variant, but the next one will more than likely be LTE compatible and will work on both Verizon and AT&T. Sprint however will not be able to use this and will need their own CDMA/WiMAX version. This will possibly cause Apple to have to make three versions of the iphone in the future, a CDMA/WiMax version, an LTE version, and also continue to make a GSM version for any of the international that are still preparing to go LTE.

As we know from when apple went with GSM the first time, they are more likely to go with technology that is more widely used. I predict more carriers going from GSM to the GSM based LTE, not from GSM to WiMax. Which makes no sense for apple to make a WiMax compatible phone for only 49 million users on Sprint.
post #29 of 99
I have suspicions about this:
[1] Why would cash rich Apple need any more cash?
[2] If they want to go with Sprint of T-Mobile in the future they are contractually handicapped.

To me the whole point of moving to Verizon Wireless is to try and take a bit of momentum away from Android. And if that's the aim then Apple won't want to get into any more “deals” which limit their potential customer base.
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I don't think it's essential to add Sprint and t-mobile. Adding VZ to ATT will give Apple a considerable boost. And if a deal like the one rumored here allows them to increase sales while maintaining margins, then that's a winner.

I do.

It's either on all 4 Major Networks and possibly with Cricket or it stays exclusive to AT&T.

Apple has the leverage. Verizon has none.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Dear Verizon,

You may not know this, but I can already use my iPhone with T-Mobile. Also, if Apple is stupid enough to release an iPhone with a CDMA chip, I'll be able to use it with Sprint, too.

Sincerely,

Everyone with an inkling of how to jailbreak/unlock.

What you say is pretty much irrelevant to the consumer market as a whole. And even among those who do know how to jailbreak and unlock, there are plenty who do not want to deal with the added frustration unless one of those alternate carriers is far superior to Verizon and AT&T (usually not).

Pretty much nobody here represents the most important demographics.


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I have suspicions about this:
[1] Why would cash rich Apple need any more cash?
[2] If they want to go with Sprint of T-Mobile in the future they are contractually handicapped.

To me the whole point of moving to Verizon Wireless is to try and take a bit of momentum away from Android. And if that's the aim then Apple won't want to get into any more “deals” which limit their potential customer base.

[1] They're a business. They want more of the stuff.
[2] I doubt either Sprint or T-Mobile has anywhere near enough leverage to work something out with Apple which would leave them handicapped in some way. In fact, even Verizon probably lacks that strength. Whatever Apple arranges it will almost certainly be by far in their best interest. Customers are the ones that are hoping for a more open range of choices. And why not? I think the mistake people make is assuming that the most important factor at play here is marketshare. It isn't.
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I have suspicions about this:
[1] Why would cash rich Apple need any more cash?

This may come as a surprise, but a publicly traded corporation's first order of business is to make money. As much as it can.
There is no concept of "make enough and then let the others share the rest."
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Just start selling unlocked and unsubsidized phones in the USA the way it is done elsewhere and be done with this carrier-exclusive BS. The iPad has shown people are willing to pay the price for the device and then negotiate the terms of the carrier of their choice.

Apple got threatened by European carriers to cut subsidy if they go ahead with that SIM thing they were working that would bypass the carriers. I'm sure AT&T and Verizon would do the same.
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"We are hearing that (Verizon) does not want iPhone, the hottest selling smartphone, available on T-Mobile USA and/or Sprint and may be willing to pay for exclusivity to itself and AT&T," Wu wrote. "For these reasons, (Verizon) could be more willing to give in to Apple's terms."



Stockholders: "Hooray!"

Consumers: "WTF?"
post #35 of 99
I think this puts Apple in a bit of a bind.. Should we go "All-Carrier" and give up a few things to the carriers (especially VZ) and possibly slow down the Android onslaught or do we go with just VZ and AT&T giving us everything we want and more money but get left out on TM and Sprint?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

You missed the point.

I'm saying, "screw going through legitimate channels". If my phone is physically capable of running on T-Mobile, I get to use it on T-Mobile. If my phone is physically capable of running on Sprint, I get to run it on Sprint. I'll get this "code" myself by repackaging iOS. Pretty simple.

I don't know if it's really called using it if you're stuck on T-mobile's hokey pokey EDGE network in the States.
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It's not that I don't want a Sprint iPhone because I'm a person that likes choices and would like as many people to have the iphone as possible. Probably one of the only reasons I don't see a sprint phone happening is because sprint has chosen to go a totally different way with their cell technology with WiMax, While Verizon is on LTE now, and AT&T will be going with LTE. This first iPhone coming out on Verizon will undoubtedly be a CDMA variant, but the next one will more than likely be LTE compatible and will work on both Verizon and AT&T. Sprint however will not be able to use this and will need their own CDMA/WiMAX version. This will possibly cause Apple to have to make three versions of the iphone in the future, a CDMA/WiMax version, an LTE version, and also continue to make a GSM version for any of the international that are still preparing to go LTE.

As we know from when apple went with GSM the first time, they are more likely to go with technology that is more widely used. I predict more carriers going from GSM to the GSM based LTE, not from GSM to WiMax. Which makes no sense for apple to make a WiMax compatible phone for only 49 million users on Sprint.

Verizon will not be able to ditch CDMA anytime in the near future. They have publicly said that their existing CDMA network will be in use till about 2020. The LTE network is nowhere near as widespread (in fact it's only now being distributed) as their CDMA, so when calls can't be placed on LTE, they will default to the CDMA network. Any LTE or WiMax phone will be defaulting to their slower tech as needed.

Also there are currently chips that function for both GSM and CDMA, so it is entirely possible that Apple will be making a unified phone model, The only reason I could see Apple agreeing to a dual exclusivity paid for by Verizon is they would be worried about trying to keep enough in stock for all 4 companies and ramping up by having a 6 month or 1 year period where they are AT&T & Verizon before adding the other 2 could make sense.

As a Sprint user tho, let me just say...ignore Verizon and pick up T-Mobile and Sprint as well. The 2 companies put together are 90% the size of Verizon. Verizon would have to be coughing up an awful lot of money to equal the potential sales spike


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I don't know if it's really called using it if you're stuck on T-mobile's hokey pokey EDGE network in the States.

T-Mobile is busy advertising their HSPA+ network as 4G in a "I'm a PC, I'm a Mac" kinda way. T-Mobile is ass if you leave a major city tho.
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This could raise all types of antitrust red flags.



One can only hope.
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It's not that I don't want a Sprint iPhone because I'm a person that likes choices and would like as many people to have the iphone as possible. Probably one of the only reasons I don't see a sprint phone happening is because sprint has chosen to go a totally different way with their cell technology with WiMax, While Verizon is on LTE now, and AT&T will be going with LTE. This first iPhone coming out on Verizon will undoubtedly be a CDMA variant, but the next one will more than likely be LTE compatible and will work on both Verizon and AT&T. Sprint however will not be able to use this and will need their own CDMA/WiMAX version. This will possibly cause Apple to have to make three versions of the iphone in the future, a CDMA/WiMax version, an LTE version, and also continue to make a GSM version for any of the international that are still preparing to go LTE.

As we know from when apple went with GSM the first time, they are more likely to go with technology that is more widely used. I predict more carriers going from GSM to the GSM based LTE, not from GSM to WiMax. Which makes no sense for apple to make a WiMax compatible phone for only 49 million users on Sprint.

Sprint has invested in LTE and in fact built it into their existing Clear spectrum. It's solely for testing and they have no current plans to roll it out, but at least they can do something if the need shows.
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T-Mobile is busy advertising their HSPA+ network as 4G in a "I'm a PC, I'm a Mac" kinda way. T-Mobile is ass if you leave a major city tho.

Right, but if you unlock the iPhone, you're stuck on EDGE. The bands for their 3G networks don't exist in the chipset.
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