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An ugly example of how vile this human race can be. We have so far to go...

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/07/05/pakistan.rape.ap/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/07/05/pakistan.rape.ap/index.html</a>


sorry about the typo in the title!

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post #2 of 27
<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> Yes, that is brutal and extreme to say the least.
Another major concern in todays world is this kind of violence against not only women but very young girls, its not light reading...

<a href="http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/femgen/fgm1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/femgen/fgm1.htm</a>
post #3 of 27
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Yes, we must push for greater human rights all over the globe, including here in the US. There are far too many cases of woman in this world being treated like dirt with little or no recourse.

Yet another all too familiar example from closer to (my) home:

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/americas/07/04/mexico.military.reut/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/americas/07/04/mexico.military.reut/index.html</a>
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post #4 of 27
Unfortunately we will always have that ape-headed man who thinks just because he is stronger than someone else, he can take advantage of them. Part of the appeal of sex (to me at least) is that you give pleasure to someone else, besides yourself. Forcing sex on someone is the lowest low.
post #5 of 27
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Well said outsider. Unfortunately, I think it goes beyond the apeman mentality. In many cases, it is an absolute failure to recognize a woman as a human being.
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post #6 of 27
It's tantamount to genocide.

post #7 of 27
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"It's tantamount to genocide."

Could not have said it better myself.
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post #8 of 27
Nietzche was right kids. Human beings suck.

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post #9 of 27
[quote]Originally posted by Xidius:
<strong>That is horible!!!

Ahhhhh! stay away!
*hides from all the AI guys..*

- Xidius</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry Xidius, should have put a better warning on that link
post #10 of 27
I think rapists are the lowest scum.After I got divorced someone broke into my ex-wife's apartment and raped her at knifepoint.
post #11 of 27
Hmmm... Human rights? I wouldn't put so much trust in these so called... human rights, since the functions of human rights seems to be always used to opressed others.


Our right lies in force. The word "right" is an abstract thought and proved by nothing. The word means no more than: Give me what I want in order that thereby I may have a proof that I am stronger than you.

Where does right begin? Where does it end?

In any State in which there is a bad organization of authority, an impersonality of laws and of the rulers who have lost their personality amid the flood of rights ever multiplying out of liberalism, I find a new right - to attack by the right of the strong, and to scatter to the winds all existing forces of order and regulation, to reconstruct all institutions and to become the sovereign lord of those who have left to us the rights of their power by laying them down voluntarily in their liberalism.


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As for the so called violence against women.

Yes. Unfortunately, these are events that are common worldwide.

For example, I know a person in a forum that said it's okay for a man to strike (slap in the face actually) a woman because she refused to help him (because he broke her heart, he leaved her for another woman, he didn't even comfort her, saying that she's nithing), that person in a forum said it it's okay for him to slap her, because she's a selfish bitch (for not helping in a war).

Then there's another case. When some persons in a forum are bad mouthing a woman, I get quite upset and was very mad at them, and I screamed out unnice words to them (calling them stupid and idiot). Not exactly a good thing, but their attitudes just made me mad.

Then... My post was deleted! Obviously it's because of my so not so nice words. That would be okay, since that I know that

But... the post about badmouthing the woman wasn't deleted.

So .. My temper exploded. I demand the thread to be close.

My post kept being deleted. But I keep on posting.

Then the moderator said I should stop, or else I would be banned.

I just said feel free to banned me, but I will not tolerate that sort of post.

Later on.... My temper calm down, and I decided that maybe I was a bit irrational. I just said to the moderator tha if the moderator tolerate that sort of thing, fine, be it. But I still don't like it.

Then the moderator said I shouldn't insult fellow forum members and that the forum isn't the place to look for a fight.

I replied by mentioning that I will not tolerate that sort of cruelty to woman. But I decided maybe I was kinda out of line and I stop posting my unnice message.

Later on in the next morning ... When I decided to post another message in the forum, I found out that I was banned.

When I asked another forum member, that maybe mentioning bad about someone badmouthing a woman isn't such a good idea, since that it might lead to a thread that caused a lot of conflict.

Then he said that I shouldn't acted a worship her or die attitude. Worship what? A woman should be treated as a woman. Why is that I got upset over a person badmouthing a woman suddenly become a worship toward her?


Anyway. Violence against women would never stop. As long some people don't treat women as women, no matter who they are. Young or old, smart or less smart, pretty or less pretty, physically fit or physically unfit, brave or get scare easiliy, do good things or do bad things, and so on.

A woman is a woman, no matter who she is or what she do.

Is a woman equal to a man? No! Anyone who said that a woman is equal to a man must be out of his or her mind.

Is a man given a higher role than woman?

Yes. But... 5.2 might be is also a higher value than 4.8, but the difference is not that much (5.2 is 108% of 4.8).

A man might have 5.2 in ability and role S but only had 4.3 in ability and role T. While woman might have 4.8 in ability and role S, but had 5.7 in ability and role T.

So as you can see, man and woman aren't equal.

Giving women equal rights and equal role in everywhere sort of way is nothing more that a way to made them miserable. Women are treated as men, aren't that cruel?

But nevertheless, despite the gender inequality, we men must take care and protect women. Because... Well... It's just our role!

But of course, don't be mistaken, when ever someone do a bad thing, he or she must be punish.
post #12 of 27
Most victims of violence are men. People need to ask themselves why violence against women stands out so (both in developed and underdeveloped countries). I think an honest interrogation would produce some disturbing answers.
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post #13 of 27
[quote]Originally posted by Vargas:
<strong>It's tantamount to genocide.

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Actually it's not. Not to diminish what happened but what happened is not like genocide. IMO you should just call things what they are. In this case gang rape. Gang rape is gang rape and genocide is genocide. There's no need to compare gang rape to something else, It's horrible all on it's own.

Wasn't there a thread about the Arab-Muslim world being backwards and corrupt? QED.
post #14 of 27
The use of the words "tantamount to genocide" refer to people treating others of their same people violently due to percieving them as being inferior to themselves.
post #15 of 27
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This situation was precipitated by an 11 year old boy from a "lower" tribe being seen with a girl from a "higher " tribe. I read this morning that the girl was 30 years old! I suspect he was not courting her.....

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[quote]Originally posted by Vargas:
<strong>The use of the words "tantamount to genocide" refer to people treating others of their same people violently due to percieving them as being inferior to themselves.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes but still it's not genocide.
post #17 of 27
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Best listen to Scott. He has a Ph.D.....
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post #18 of 27
You don't have to listen to me. Just read a dictionary.
post #19 of 27
[quote]Originally posted by scott_h_phd:
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Yes but still it's not genocide.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I never said it was genicide, I said it was tantamount to it i.e it has an ambiguous connection to it when you look at the moral aspects of the subject.
post #20 of 27
You're misusing the word then.
post #21 of 27
Note again the use of the words "tantamount to". It is an ambiguous link that requires thinking around.
post #22 of 27
[quote]Originally posted by Xidius:
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Because we are fragile scared little girls, and you are all big strong rugged men!! We cant defend ourselves!! And we get raped! You men dont!

coz either: a: You would brag about it the next day "dudes, guess what happened to me last night". or B: You would be so scared you wouldnt be able to get up!!

And if its boy on boy raping... <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> well then.. I guess no one will ever hear about it, coz boys now of days would never admit to that.

- Xidius</strong><hr></blockquote>What's the point exactly of this post?

I hardly see the idea of men getting raped as funny . . . it happens and is by no means funny.
The idea that you think that a man would be embarassed to report the rape only reveals the trauma that women have to deal with on top of the crime when reporting it.

I don't think that men are so idiotic as to want to get raped . . . most men put on airs about sexual conquests but most of that is surface posing for the sake of other men, and,an enculturated idea of what masculinity is realy about.

The reality is is that sex is a powerful psychological experience for all parties involved, the intensity of which we repress with such encultured attitudes... attitudes we use to hide from the real power of the sex act, and, our esentially ambivalent relationship to our own desires.
rape can even be seen as a reaction against the power of sex. Having an anti sex relationship to the sex act and the intimacy therein. In places where it is very repressed, women allways seem to get repressed and violence becomes part of the way men relate to them.

the reason? Because the real force and power of sexuality (its relationship to death and animality, etc) is denied consciouseness; it is repressed under religious restrictions, or attitudes of false masculinity etc . . all born out of the fear of sex, of death, and of loss of control.

Women become the symbol of that fear. That is why in restriced, repressed, religious cultures women's rights are usually restricted and controlled by men.

There are some theories that say, even, that culture itself is a form of dealing with the fear of women and death by creating a realm of symbolisms, a realm of the cultural consciousness that keeps the nature of the body abstractedm, symbolized, and/or something aesthetic and not truly bodily cognizant . . . because the real rules, power and values of the body are beyond cultural mores and struggle and strain within the confines of mores.

Perhaps this what an honest interrogation would reveal?!?!
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post #23 of 27
Something thereabouts, mixed with a little of what pfflam had to say.
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[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
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All I can do after reading that wish wash is laugh.. </strong><hr></blockquote>
sure as hell wouldn't expect you to understand it . . . or even try, for that matter.

what college did you say that you went to?

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post #25 of 27
golly whillikers... you sure showed me fellowship

but still. . . I'm not sure what was so difficult to undestand . .. anybody with a college level of reading should be able to read words like 'enculturated' and not act like a child in front of a quantum physics equation.

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--Franklin Miller.

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post #26 of 27
So, anyway, back on topic...

*cough*

digix wrote:

[quote]<strong>Is a woman equal to a man? No! Anyone who said that a woman is equal to a man must be out of his or her mind.

Is a man given a higher role than woman?

Yes. But... 5.2 might be is also a higher value than 4.8, but the difference is not that much (5.2 is 108% of 4.8).

A man might have 5.2 in ability and role S but only had 4.3 in ability and role T. While woman might have 4.8 in ability and role S, but had 5.7 in ability and role T.

So as you can see, man and woman aren't equal.

Giving women equal rights and equal role in everywhere sort of way is nothing more that a way to made them miserable. Women are treated as men, aren't that cruel?

But nevertheless, despite the gender inequality, we men must take care and protect women. Because... Well... It's just our role!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I understand and agree with the sentiment that men and women are not identical, but that is not an argument against equality. If, to the extent it is possible, there is equal opportunity for all individual human beings, then those with talent in S will gravitate toward S, those with talent in T will gravitate toward T, and the question of whether or to what extent there are differences between the two (actually eight!) genders will be effectively mooted.

Is this the definition of equality that you are working from? Or do you mean a state in which it is assumed that men and women are identical (which is, essentially, a state that ignores individuality in toto)? Could you give an example where equality would make a woman miserable? Would this hold for all women? Most? If most, what about the women for which it does not hold?

Finally, does this equality make men miserable?

I'm sorry if it seems like I'm putting you on the spot, digix. You posted an idea that intrigued me, that's all.

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post #27 of 27
oops.

I was just checking back to see where this thread had gone when I noticed my last post didn't really make much sense. I meant to say, "a little of what both Pfflam and Xidius had to say on the topic"

Oops. that probably throws a few posts for a curve, sorry.
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