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post #1 of 89
7/8/02 at 12:36pm
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post #2 of 89
7/8/02 at 12:41pm
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I think AI religion is only marginally better than CoS. Sure they don´t make as much money on you but its still an empty shell around something of pure fantasy. Just read the Book of Future Hardware and you must realize its science fiction.
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post #3 of 89
7/8/02 at 12:43pm
And in the beginning God said:
"CONFIRMED!"
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post #4 of 89
7/8/02 at 12:46pm
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The meek shall inherite the G5
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post #5 of 89
7/8/02 at 12:53pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
<strong>The meek shall inherite the G5</strong><hr></blockquote>

And the rest will inherit ?
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post #6 of 89
7/8/02 at 12:55pm
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>And in the beginning God said:
"CONFIRMED!"</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes , we are all confirmed member of AI <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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post #7 of 89
7/8/02 at 12:55pm
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[quote]Originally posted by PC^KILLA:
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And the rest will inherit ?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Quick Mika: How do you say "anal" in danish?
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post #8 of 89
7/8/02 at 1:01pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
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Quick Mika: How do you say "anal" in danish?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Should I care? Might as well learn Arabic. It might become useful soon. (And it's mika, NOt Mika)


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post #9 of 89
7/8/02 at 1:16pm
Jonathan, the other thread I created was purposely created to keep the discussion in one thread rather than hijacking other threads that are loosely related to the subject matter. I can post in here, but it seems silly to create another thread for the same reason that I started the other thread. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

Can you please unlock it, or shall I simply paste my other post in here since that seems to be what you want??? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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post #10 of 89
7/8/02 at 1:25pm
How about you formulate something original with arguments that haven't been beaten down and then post that?
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post #11 of 89
7/8/02 at 1:42pm
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[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>How about you formulate something original with arguments that haven't been beaten down and then post that?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Should western governments stop Islamic expansionism? And if so, how?


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post #12 of 89
7/8/02 at 1:48pm
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post #13 of 89
7/8/02 at 1:51pm
[quote]Should western governments stop Islamic expansionism? And if so, how?<hr></blockquote>

Yes. Buy them computers with ISA slots on the motherboards.
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post #14 of 89
7/8/02 at 1:56pm
Maybe instead of having a single relgion thread (which could become quite unmanageable in a matter of days) we should open a couple new forums:

The PC^KILLA RHETORIC EMPORIUM

and

The AI HOLY HO-DOWN


Or....we could just have the "AI Religion Forum" wherein all threads about religion A vs. religion B, evolution vs. creation, theism vs. atheism, etc. can be housed.

What do you guys think?
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post #15 of 89
7/8/02 at 1:56pm
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[quote]Originally posted by ColanderOfDeath:
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Yes. Buy them computers with ISA slots on the motherboards.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And then what? They read the politically correct AO boards. ie. Islam = Peace, and we're back to square one.

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post #16 of 89
7/8/02 at 1:59pm
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>How about you formulate something original with arguments that haven't been beaten down and then post that?</strong><hr></blockquote>

So now you are unwilling to delve into the texts since I created a new thread devoted to that?

Wow, the pitbull lets go...
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post #17 of 89
7/8/02 at 2:47pm
[quote]So now you are unwilling to delve into the texts since I created a new thread devoted to that?<hr></blockquote>

We've already delved into them. They've been delved, they're all delved out.

I said post some original stuff, some new stuff from the Koran that *hasn't* been discussed that *hasn't* already been either clarified to make it seem not-so-evil or that *hasn't* found its equal in the Bible (which you don't consider evil).

Original stuff. I'd love to have further discussion with you, but I'm afraid you've failed to come up with anything new.
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post #18 of 89
7/8/02 at 2:56pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Moogs:
<strong>Maybe instead of having a single relgion thread (which could become quite unmanageable in a matter of days) we should open a couple new forums:

The PC^KILLA RHETORIC EMPORIUM

and

The AI HOLY HO-DOWN
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Personally, I'm in favor of the "AI Holy Ho-Down". The catchy name really does it for me...
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post #19 of 89
7/8/02 at 3:03pm
here's a thought:

the Universe is stranger than we CAN imagine: it includes, and is constituted by, things we cannot even begin to understand given the state of our semi-evolved intelligences, questions we don't even know how to phrase.
Poetics and art are closest, mysticism, at times, as well.

But one thing is for sure, the Universe is NOT as banal as mainstream religions would have us believe.
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post #20 of 89
7/8/02 at 3:25pm
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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We've already delved into them. They've been delved, they're all delved out.

I said post some original stuff, some new stuff from the Koran that *hasn't* been discussed that *hasn't* already been either clarified to make it seem not-so-evil or that *hasn't* found its equal in the Bible (which you don't consider evil).

Original stuff. I'd love to have further discussion with you, but I'm afraid you've failed to come up with anything new.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So going in-depth on one passage (yes only one passage) and then having you say the others are not worth discussion is delving in? Pardon me for not seeing it for what it was.

Maybe you are really not interested in discussion. However this post by you says something different:

Let's have more, I'm enjoying this!
Let's work through the entire goddam Koran, it'll be fun. We'll both have better understandings and better for the effort. I'm ready, let's do it!
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post #21 of 89
7/8/02 at 3:33pm
[quote]Originally posted by NoahJ:
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So going in-depth on one passage (yes only one passage) and then having you say the others are not worth discussion is delving in? Pardon me for not seeing it for what it was.

Maybe you are really not interested in discussion. However this post by you says something different:

Let's have more, I'm enjoying this!
Let's work through the entire goddam Koran, it'll be fun. We'll both have better understandings and better for the effort. I'm ready, let's do it! </strong><hr></blockquote>

this is continued wastage. . .let's do get on with it and rise to the new chalenge of actually saying something with substane and or insight.

I know that my post was merely a thought but followed by this waste of words I feel I will repost it:

[quote] the Universe is stranger than we CAN imagine: it includes, and is constituted by, things we cannot even begin to understand given the state of our semi-evolved intelligences, questions we don't even know how to phrase.
Poetics and art are closest, mysticism, at times, as well.

But one thing is for sure, the Universe is NOT as banal as mainstream religions would have us believe. <hr></blockquote>
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
--George W Bush

"Narrative is what starts to happen after eight minutes
--Franklin Miller.

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post #22 of 89
7/8/02 at 3:41pm
[quote]Originally posted by pfflam:
<strong>this is continued wastage. . .let's do get on with it and rise to the new chalenge of actually saying something with substane and or insight.

I know that my post was merely a thought but followed by this waste of words I feel I will repost it:
</strong><hr></blockquote>

As I said, don't like it, don't post to it or readit. The world will continue spinning as it always has. But maybe I will find something out that I did not know before and you will see something that you missed as well. Just because the universe is a big place does not mean we should ignore some very real issues facing us right now.
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post #23 of 89
7/8/02 at 3:44pm
What you posted in your latest (locked) thread was already covered. Your re-posting it as evidence that Islam is evil illustrates your inability to approach this issue with intentions of real discussion.
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post #24 of 89
7/8/02 at 3:48pm
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>What you posted in your latest (locked) thread was already covered. Your re-posting it as evidence that Islam is evil illustrates your inability to approach this issue with intentions of real discussion.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I was attempting to reframe the conversation to narrow the focus and keep the conversation moving foreward. And no, it was not all covered. One passage out of 10+ is not fully covered. And there are more passages. However, as I stated in our other thread, I want to discuss the ones posted already, then we can move on to other verses. You said fine, and now you are backing down. Giving up?
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post #25 of 89
7/8/02 at 3:50pm
[quote]one thing is for sure, the Universe is NOT as banal as mainstream religions would have us believe. <hr></blockquote>

Ah men! ... erm..I mean absolutely.

[quote] the Universe is stranger than we CAN imagine: it includes, and is constituted by, things we cannot even begin to understand given the state of our semi-evolved intelligences, questions we don't even know how to phrase.<hr></blockquote>

Is it just a coincidence that everytime we think we've got it ,or nearly have it additional levels of complexity are found? Within living memory people were conviced that the atom was the smallest particle that existed, now they are some kind of huge complex structure full of stuff there and not there at the same time!

Perhaps it's not an inability to imagine but rather everything itself is a product of imagination. Perhaps that paradox about changing things by observing them is pushing existance to evolve (sorry develop) as we inquire into them.

I have no idea....however after 2002 years of humans singing the same songs, uttering the same platitudes, eating wafers and such what kind of god would still be interested? 7 days to create a universe 2002 years listening to drivel....I'm not convinced.
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post #26 of 89
7/8/02 at 3:54pm
[quote]Originally posted by Zarathustra:
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I have no idea....however after 2002 years of humans singing the same songs, uttering the same platitudes, eating wafers and such what kind of god would still be interested? 7 days to create a universe 2002 years listening to drivel....I'm not convinced.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Then again, you have lived for what 18-30 years of that time? And this makes you able to decide what drivel has gone before and what God thinks of it all? Hardly.
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post #27 of 89
7/8/02 at 4:15pm
[quote] Then again, you have lived for what 18-30 years of that time? And this makes you able to decide what drivel has gone before and what God thinks of it all? Hardly. <hr></blockquote>

Well I believe that God is a creation of man not man of God...that makes trying to understand the beast a little easier perhaps. But suppose I am wrong what do you make of a creator able to create whatever it (that's not intentionally disrespectful I just didn't want to get into the he/she thong too!) wants, Makes us, flawed but with free will and watches for thousands of years to see how appalingly we treat eachother?

How too would you feel about the aetheist who without any faith lives a good life helps not hurts his fellow man and is condemned whereas a catholic priest can bugger children for years repent (truly repent) and be saved?

What argument is there apart from 'I believe because I believe'... that is more convincing than all religeon exists as:

1. a comfort
2. a method of social control
3. a powerbase.

rather than some divine revellation of truth?

P.S Do I really look that young? Why thank you.

[ 07-08-2002: Message edited by: Zarathustra ]</p>
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post #28 of 89
7/8/02 at 4:24pm
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How many here would like me to maintain the thread with hard breaking information regarding our Muslim mischief-makers? If I get 10 votes in the affirmative, Ill continue to post about the exploits of these Islamists in this thread. How's that?

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post #29 of 89
7/8/02 at 4:47pm
[quote]Originally posted by PC^KILLA:
<strong>How many here would like me to maintain the thread with hard breaking information regarding our Muslim mischief-makers? If I get 10 votes in the affirmative, Ill continue to post about the exploits of these Islamists in this thread. How's that?

mika.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If people really want hard breaking information they can visit <a href="http://www.cnn.com" target="_blank">CNN.com</a>.

It will save your poor fingers from all of that ctrl-c ctrl-v stuff.

So, I vote NO.

J :cool:
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post #30 of 89
7/8/02 at 5:58pm
[quote]Originally posted by PC^KILLA:
<strong>How many here would like me to maintain the thread with hard breaking information regarding our Muslim mischief-makers? If I get 10 votes in the affirmative, Ill continue to post about the exploits of these Islamists in this thread. How's that?

mika.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, do what you want. This is a board to discuss your thoughts on matter. Now there are many white supremacist/Neo Nazis that are very religious Christians. They read the Good Book on any given night, they go church Sunday morning with their children, and they have good relations with family and neighbors. They also have no difficulty stringing up blacks and Jews on a lone oak tree out back. Does their beliefs define Christianity as a whole?

I dont blame where you are coming from. Its hard being targeted by groups that hate. It blinds us, it narrows are scope, and we started seeing them as entities instead of people that are, in no small difference, same as us. If we fail to separate the Muslims and terrorists and lump into US and THEM, then we endanger of creating a larger divide that none of may ever break.
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post #31 of 89
7/8/02 at 6:49pm
This is horrible,why is there so much hate in the world? PC KILLA,what you are posting is not news,it is no more true than Protocol of the Elders of Zion.
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post #32 of 89
7/8/02 at 9:14pm
"RELIGIOUS MERGER CREATES 900 MILLION HINJEWS
New Delhi, India Hinjew leaders today conceded the merger of Hinduism and Judaism has not worked out as planned, as instead of forming a super-religion to fight off the common Islamic enemy, they have instead created a race of 900 million people who, no matter how many times they are reincarnated, can never please their mothers."

Full text <a href="http://www.satirewire.com/news/may02/hinjews.shtml" target="_blank">here</a>.
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post #33 of 89
7/8/02 at 9:47pm
[quote]Originally posted by MozillaMan:
<strong>"RELIGIOUS MERGER CREATES 900 MILLION HINJEWS
New Delhi, India Hinjew leaders today conceded the merger of Hinduism and Judaism has not worked out as planned, as instead of forming a super-religion to fight off the common Islamic enemy, they have instead created a race of 900 million people who, no matter how many times they are reincarnated, can never please their mothers."

Full text <a href="http://www.satirewire.com/news/may02/hinjews.shtml" target="_blank">here</a>.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have to admit that I laugh my a** off on this. BTW, excellent site.

[ 07-09-2002: Message edited by: Mike Ghost ]</p>
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7/8/02 at 9:50pm
[quote]Originally posted by MozillaMan:
<strong>"RELIGIOUS MERGER CREATES 900 MILLION HINJEWS
New Delhi, India Hinjew leaders today conceded the merger of Hinduism and Judaism has not worked out as planned, as instead of forming a super-religion to fight off the common Islamic enemy, they have instead created a race of 900 million people who, no matter how many times they are reincarnated, can never please their mothers."

Full text <a href="http://www.satirewire.com/news/may02/hinjews.shtml" target="_blank">here</a>.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have to admit that I laugh my a** off on this. BTW, excellent sight
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post #35 of 89
7/8/02 at 9:50pm
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Ricky,

For such an innocent boy, you sure get around. Where did you pick up those dirty words? Not from Anders I hope?!

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7/8/02 at 9:53pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Mike Ghost:
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I have to admit that I laugh my a** off on this. BTW, excellent sight</strong><hr></blockquote>

touché


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post #37 of 89
7/9/02 at 1:06am
[quote]Originally posted by Mike Ghost:
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Well, do what you want. This is a board to discuss your thoughts on matter. Now there are many white supremacist/Neo Nazis that are very religious Christians. They read the Good Book on any given night, they go church Sunday morning with their children, and they have good relations with family and neighbors. They also have no difficulty stringing up blacks and Jews on a lone oak tree out back. Does their beliefs define Christianity as a whole?

I dont blame where you are coming from. Its hard being targeted by groups that hate. It blinds us, it narrows are scope, and we started seeing them as entities instead of people that are, in no small difference, same as us. If we fail to separate the Muslims and terrorists and lump into US and THEM, then we endanger of creating a larger divide that none of may ever break.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Very good post, i share your opinion, you have express it in a much better way that i could do.
The last sentance is very important for our future.
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post #38 of 89
7/9/02 at 1:10am
Now i am going to aks an important question about terrorism and islam.
When did start the islamist terrorism ?
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post #39 of 89
7/9/02 at 2:00am
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[quote]Originally posted by Mike Ghost:
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Well, do what you want. This is a board to discuss your thoughts on matter. Now there are many white supremacist/Neo Nazis that are very religious Christians. They read the Good Book on any given night, they go church Sunday morning with their children, and they have good relations with family and neighbors. They also have no difficulty stringing up blacks and Jews on a lone oak tree out back. Does their beliefs define Christianity as a whole?
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The difference is that mainstream Christians don't condone such actions.

 

“The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.” 
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post #40 of 89
7/9/02 at 2:34am
Nor do mainstream Mulsims.

Mainstream Israelis however Elected Ayatollah Sharon.
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