Google Android stalls, remains tied with Apple's iOS in ad impressions - Page 2

Already did.

No, you're suggesting that negative Android news is, in general, not a valid topic for AI. We've never seen you on here complaining when the news was positive, so why are you complaining now?

No... I was just ignoring you completely.

When has this site posted positive Android news (at least without some sort of spin)? Android nor Microsoft news is valid, but they'll keep posting it up!

Read my entire post before replying.

But to save you the work, I'm commenting on the negative attitude. I'm commenting on posts like "Google rewarms Android Market, still half baked next to iPhone App Store". There's a tone in AI's Android posts that turns my stomach. A gloating satisfaction over places where Android fails and a taking-the-lollipop-away-from-a-kid-to-see-him-cry defensiveness to posts about new Android features.

You seem to be assuming that I am an Android user.

I don't think that owning an iPhone means you have to attack Android users. I don't feel that I need to justify my phone purchase.

Articles written in that tone make me feel uncomfortable in the same way that listening to someone make a racist comment makes me uncomfortable. As a long time reader of this site, I feel entitled to my opinion.

I haven't complained about the positive posts because positive posts don't have that tone. Further, many of the "positive posts" are written with a negative spin (something like "New Android phone sells a hundred thousand units in the first weekend, that's good for Android but never forget how many units the iPhone 4 sold. It's still better, hah!") which I think is unnecessary.

Lord dude, if a bit of platform partisanship on a platform specific enthusiast site bothers you in the manner of a racist remark you should perhaps rethink your priorities. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but I don't think there are any plans afoot to deny Android users housing or employment.

At any rate, you can surely take solace in the constant drumbeat among the comments to the effect that Apple users are elitist, effeminate, poser, hipster, disgusting, deluded, robotic, cultist douchebags that quite possibly should be driven from the ranks of decent folk? I mean, if you want to get all racial analogy and shit.

Again, you're just casually attributing this dreadful arrogance to "seemingly most" Apple users (and where the fuck would you get that info, I have to wonder) then patting yourself on the back for making the "intelligent" choice, no doubt after the kind of careful analysis that's beyond all those uppity Apple users.

Really, just a conceptual train wreck.

I agree, comment trolls are even worse.

And the racist analogy isn't perfect. I'm not saying they're equivalent; I'm trying to get across the feeling I'm talking about since it is being misunderstood. It's a difference in degree.

AI seems to be slipping away from being a platform enthusiast site. A large chunk (not all) of the joy seems to be in comparing Apple users to non-Apple users, rather than just being excited about new Apple features.

Fair enough. I don't see a lot of Apple users comparing themselves to non-Apple users, however, typically the Apple user is comparing their hardware to rival hardware. It's the non-Apple user that seems to be pretty fixated on unflattering ideas about the character of Apple users, IMO.

Just in general, when there aren't a lot of posters braying about how rival companies are "kicking Apple's ass" or that "butthurt fanboys can't handle the truth", etc., the tone around here is, unsurprisingly, less defensive and more amicable to frank analysis of Apple's strengths and weaknesses. The rise of Android seems to have created a particularly tedious class of platform triumphalist, eclipsing anything the dread "Apple fanboy" was willing to dish out in their heyday.

For evidence, you need look no further than a typical Android user site, with nary an Apple troll to be found. You have to ask yourself why so many Android boosters find it necessary to make their way to an Apple site to gloat.

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There's little that can be done about commenters, but I expect more from the people running the site (except Gruber, though he has been impressing me lately).*

Respecting the Android fan sites, I imagine you're right about the lack of "Apple fanboys" trolling their comments. A fairer example, though, of trolling Apple fans would probably be Gizmodo or Techcrunch, where I'd say that the Apple/Android trolls are on more equal footing. Android users (who might own a Mac or an iPod) are more likely to read a general-focus Apple blog, than iPhone users (who probably don't own Android phones) are to be reading an Android blog.

My impression of the Android fan sites as kids on Christmas morning still stands though. There's a joy there that is getting harder to find on Apple blogs and particularly AI. I suspect that it has something to do with release schedules. Android users always have some new hardware or OS release to talk about, but with Apple you get long dry spells and all there is to talk about is market share and ad revenues with the occasional patent to liven things up.

* I also agree that Android-fan commenters tend to be worse than Apple-fan commenters.

Interesting with AdMob and iAd pretty much neck and neck...

Remember AdMob was only a factor because of iPhone ads, and Apple drove up the cost for Google to buy Admob, then turned around without blinking and bought the bigger company Quattro for less than half the amount. They over-payed on a company who's only claim to fame was embedded ads on a competitor's device. Google likes to pat itself on the back, but they've made some exceedingly stupid tactical business decisions regarding Android. I'd argue that ripping off the iPhone (or someone else's work) always leaves you in second place.

They got played on this like a cheap violin. Why can't the droids just be happy being number two?

You mean tech blogs in general? Gruber's not affiliated with this site.


I don't think it's fairer to compare Apple Insider to general interest tech sites, and I don't think the vitriol is equal. On both Gizmodo and Engadget any mention of Apple brings a flood of bitching about how that site is obviously in the bag for Apple, on Apple's payroll, etc., and demands that the poster be permitted to peruse the site without being offended by any mention of Apple whatsoever. There is no countervailing demand from Apple users to be shielded from Android news.

And there is simply no equivalent to the ugly characterization of Apple's users that is the stock-in-trade of the Apple hater. Sure, you might get the odd remark, but Apple the idea that Apple's customers are various kinds of contemptible twit is practically an internet meme.


Well, I guess we'd have to see how long the good vibes would last if 20-30% of the postings on such sites were vitriolic attacks on Android and Android users, suggestions that Android enthusiasts resume sucking Eric Schmidt's dick and stop kissing his ass, LOLing about butthurt Android fanboys weeping bitter tears, bizarre theories about the general weak-mindedness and contemptibility of Android purchasers prefaced by "the fact is", intimations that the only possible reason for buying an Android device would be a profound lack of intelligence, character, decency, etc. or that in general Google's customers were needing to have their asses kicked for intractable douchiness. "Slap the smirk right off their face", as I believe the conventional wisdom would have it.

I'm pretty sure any of that would get you banned immediately from an Android user site, but for Apple users none of that is ever very far from the surface, not even on an Apple enthusiast site and sure as hell not on a general interest tech site, where it's generally in full cry and taken as simply being a realist.

And of course, the stock response to all this is that Apple's users actually are assholes whereas Android (or Microsoft or Nokia or Palm) are simply decent hardworking folk with no need to "flaunt" their shortcomings, which kind of makes my point.

Yes.

("Yes" is too short, so I have added this sentence.)

Your question was answered in a previous post. However, your opinion on what it's valid for them to cover is of no consequence. It's entirely valid for them to cover whatever they damn well please. If you'd like a site that restricts coverage to certain topics, feel free to start your own.

It's their web site, their editorial point of view. If you don't like it, you are free not to read it. As I mentioned in another reply, if you want a web site that adheres to your sense of what should and should not be covered and how, go start your own. Complaining about what AI covers and how they cover it is like saying you don't like it when the New York Times prints an article that makes the President (any president) look bad.

He's a total hypocrite!

Fandroids are all alike. Coming here to bash Apple. How typical.

Android fans are freaking right about now. Their entire world is coming crashing down. Gotta love it!

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Edited by MacRulez - 5/4/12 at 12:52pm

Of course it's of no consequence, but thanks for the reminder. I was merely expanding on your own observations, so I'm not sure where the "start your own site" nonsense came from.

And yes, I guess this type of article is limited to Dan, since as you say there in fact do seem to be some positive articles on Android.

You assume I'm an Android user. I never once said that, nor did I bash Apple.


If a reader felt that the New York Times did not live up to certain journalistic standards, the reader would be free to comment on it. I'm fairly certain that people do complain about it (I don't live in the US and have never read the Times letters to the editors page, so I couldn't say for sure).

Likewise, AI runs a website, they post articles and ask for comments. It seems silly to assume that the comment form/forum can only be used to agree with them.

Let me ask you this: if AI posted a series of articles titled "Reasons why Android is better than iOS and why Windows 7 is better than OS X" and you disagreed, would you comment?

That isn't the question, the question is whether I would tell them they have no right to post them. I'm afraid I have to agree with an earlier poster about you.

Boy this is a weird thread. Posters coming and going and comments coming and going, missing comments, etc. Just sayin'. Weird LOL. Back to you

Let me tell you why we post as we do, a long time ago I changed from M$ to Apple because of my terrible experience with windoze, unfortunately I still have to use this pile of crap at work.
I hate it with a passion, but I have no choice.
Also don't like having 3rd degree burns when I pick up my MBP because of that other pile of crap that is called Adobe Flash. I have turned it off, and now my MBP runs cooler and quicker.
I kick myself that I didn't do it earlier. I don't care for those Apple-haters who still refuse to accept the facts that Flash is shit. What further proof do they need ?
Google as a company I despise for their sneaky under-handed way they steel confidential information and try to pass it off as a mistake, really ? I'm a programmer, what sort of programmers do they employ there, retards ?
I especially don't like being targeted by ads, did you read the article about the guy in England who lost his laptop, when it was returned there were ads specifically targeting him to purchase a new laptop ? The only way Google could know of this is if they sniffed his private emails. To prove this wasn't his paranoia, the same thing happened when he was searching for a Lawyer via emails to friends. Do no evil ? Thats what the communists proclaimed in the USSR.
As for Android, I have really no feelings one way or the other, except that they are competitors to Apple, hence I want them to fail, but Apple being super successful, imagine what products we would have. Apple was in the dumps, and yet came out with the idevices, just imagine what they could do with no pressure on them.
I have never used an android phone and will never use one, I have read enough about them and no need to regurgitate their failings and very poor design/user experience.
Now lets get to the heart of the matter, I don't go on android or M$ friendly blog sites, I have no need, why should I ? I go on Apple-centric ones like AI. For information mainly.
What I really hate is those Apple-haters who have parked their carcasses and refuse to move.
Always comment with personal attacks on Apple fans and would you believe it Steve Jobs, why do they do this ? They are never articulate and I think are pimply 15 year old nerds who cannot get girl friends so play with their phones instead, so sad.
I just want them off our site, thats all.

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Edited by MacRulez - 5/4/12 at 12:52pm

AI is a platform enthusiast site.

It's all the non-Apple enthusiasts assholes who are compelled to point out how much superior they are to the elitist Apple enthusiasts that cause the continual problems