Official Revolution Watch Thread - Page 7

Egypt was a different scene because the people had Mubarek over thrown already and the military was on their side.Libya still has this psychotic leader who still has the army on his side and pro Libyans also who respect him.He has power unfortunately still.

George Will asks some great questions for anyone favoring US involvement in Libya (this probably applies to any of the others as well).

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa...war/index.html

While Japan holds the spotlight Libya continues on in their attempt at revolution.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,7705795.story

Libya continues to be a story that is very much alive, but still overshadowed by the Japanese Tsunami/Quakes/Nuclear problem.


There has been some outside help in the form of a no fly zone.

Where is Osama Bin?

I thought he was the one who was looking for revolutions in these Arab/Muslim countries - he's strangely quiet. I thought he would have been encouraging them on, wouldn't you think?

Isn't it ironic that there are so many more wars going on now that we have a president who is described himself a pacifist and the prior president, a supposed warmonger, is out of office?

Whether you agreed with Bush or the motivations for Iraq, whether you thought there were proper connections regarding nations states harboring terrorists or not, the motivations for taking action on Libya, be it by Europe or the U.N. have to be much, much weaker than any action taken by the prior administration.

The revolutions are for democracy. He's rather against that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/19/wo...er=rss&emc=rss
Apparently Hillary Clinton is responsible for the US being involved. Whatever the case, this article might be interesting to some here.

Question:

To what extent would the West (NATO) have acted re. intervention in Libya, if that nation's primary natural resources were dates and garbanzo beans?

The "humanitarian" reason for intervention, as echoed by Hillary Clinton and the US State Dept. is an insult to the anyone's intelligence, barring possibly the terminally retarded. The world's power brokers don't give a rats a$$ about the fate of the Libyan people. Neither does Gadhafi and his thugs.

When its the Saudi people's turn to rise up against their oppressors, they will meet a vicious and merciless response from the Saudi authorities and military. In the possibility of these circumstances, outside of the standard token request to Saudi to "please try to use some restraint", what will NATO and the West do ???????

NOTHING!

DIDDLY. FUCKING. SQUAT.

Just see.

Why be so mean to the messenger? The facts don't agree with your worldview and rather than change your beliefs, you attack the facts.

Sad.

Take off your blindfold first. Then perhaps you can see that when Europe is jumping into the Middle East and the U.S. already has a large and increasing presence there that was supposed to leave, we don't call that peace.

Labels are always interesting with you Sego, it seems like they completely alter your reasoning and conclusions irrespective of actions. That is why you want to kill the messenger. They note the actions. The U.S. is supporting action in Libya. It has ongoing actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Exactly how many ongoing wars in how many Muslim countries does the U.S. have to be supporting or engaging in before you'll declare that no matter the label, the person behind that label wasn't about peace or at a minimum letting those countries manage their own affairs rather than acting at the whim of the U.S.?

It seems a definition of terms (e.g., "conservative" and "liberal") are probably in order here.

I keep hearing that Obama is not liberal but absent and clear definitions of what is meant by "liberal" (or conservative or left wing or right wing) this seems like talking in circles or talking past one another.

And this may be where the disconnect often happens. When you are talking about a US politician to US residents or citizens in the context of US politics...maybe it's important to say when the term your using means something different from it is commonly used in the US.

Better yet, maybe we need some clearer, more objectively measurable definitions of these terms.

Why don't you start. What do you think "liberal" or "conservative" mean?

There's no disconnect. He's had the discussion dozens of times as have most on here. There's no honesty. It is mere political expediency. Bush was a warmonger who wanted to avenge daddy and grab all the oil in Iraq. Sure that didn't turn out to be true at all but what does that matter, it was a nice narrative that matched their delusional socialist utopia worldview.

In this world, war is only caused but those who want war. They want it because they like war and are warmongers. It creates confusion and keeps "the people" from rising up and establishing themselves. War isn't something "the people" would engage in. They have nothing to gain since they are not greedy, and only want to live their lives. If conditions get to the point to where the masses cannot even eat or survive, then that is when revolution, a revolution that needs no assistance, happens.

However this isn't that. This will be Europe and the U.S. sticking their nose in it and helping one dictator replace another. They can't see the difference because authoritarianism is a facet of the left in both the continent and this country. It's what moves one from socialism which is why all the socialists keep sticking their finger in it. They have to play in someone else's sandbox because their own wouldn't tolerate their authoritarian ways. It always goes badly. Guys like Sego can't deal with that because his worldview doesn't even tolerate believing such actions capable of the left. It isn't a country difference. In his mind no communist has ever slit a neck.

Ok, another question:

It's obvious that "helping the Libyan people", given as the justification to attack that country, is a blatant, cynical, outright lie/fabrication.

So, what is the REAL reason for these UN sanctioned attacks?

Does anyone have enough privileged connections with DC insiders to shed light on this? Sftyer all, this has cost the taxpayer about $350 million so far, and its only been ONE DAY!

Shaking my head in complete disbelief....

The recent entries by Trumpt and Seg are completely nonsense of the highest order as I see it.

The entry into another war via no fly zone is not a right wing vs/ socialist issue.

This is a globalist elite issue.

Now here is the MAIN POINT:

Both left and right are in on this form of "leadership" In each case they want us to hate the "other" side of the false coin. Look at the left. Look at the right.

Complete BS.

Two sides of the same coin people... Now REALLY. This is not hard to see.

We are being misled as usual. Don't allow yourself to be a willing idiot.

Fellows

You are completely 100% correct here.

We are played for fools all the time. The sad part is when whole sectors of the population are fooled into being "for" their dude in chief. And if you question "their dude" you are a traitor etc.

When will people around the world snap out of being useful idiots. When will the west ever have a real and "free" media who exposes the high crimes?

Thankyou!

Spectator sports politics must be seen for what it is: a distraction, a Macchiavellian manipulation of the masses to divide and conquer. Democrats, republicans, labor, tory, etc etc etc... keep 'em squabbling while the globalist elites and bankster "royalty" cartels clean up.

Nick,,

You are smarter than this...

This is not about Obama vs. Bush.

This is about more of the same old shit. It just so happens and trust me my main man I am completely certain of this now after voting for Obama that Some things NEVER change despite the snow job Obama gave with his marketing.

This is not Socialist vs/ Ayn Rand conservatism. This is Globalist elite and they wear shadows of left and right in the worst ways all the time. These elite want us sheep focused on left vs/ right. While both sides of this fake and false political card trick carry out yet more destructive goals to subvert the US constitution and to plunder the world at large. All they need are willing idiots who watch Fox and MSNBC at differing times cheering them on.

The sad part is that we don't want Obama and his ways or the ways of Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld.

You are most welcome. You have been right about so much of this since the very begining.

Fellows

The man is delusional he thinks all his people love him and respect him.Do you really think this is not psychotic? He is a mass murderer and deserves to be either killed or rot in jail until he dies.Masterminded Lockerbee Bombing and other atrocities he got away with.Good for the US,France and England to bomb the shit out of his weapon stations.Hopefully he will surrender before more blood shed happens.