Official Revolution Watch Thread - Page 3

Originally Posted by segovius

I'll take two

Originally Posted by segovius

The main obstacle in Islamic Societies is Fatalism - something I agree with obviously, everything is mapped out and one can only accept it - but in terms of change it is a problem. People tend to accept quite a lot unless pushed to far or invested with some sort of fundamentalist fervour.



This is a joke right? Wow........



"IF" hahahah!!!

Of course it's not going to happen!!!! The ballot-box is the primary tool of oppression. It promotes the mediocre and conformists. It is a tool of Satan.



That's the point...and hence the violence so far....it's born out of frustration of no alternative.

One is happening though....particularly in Muslim societies. You don't hear of it because those societies and the West have joined forces to stop news of it for two reasons:

1) The Western Media do not want "Muslim Good News"

2) The East do not want any news of it leaking.

Just one example at random - earlier in the Islam thread it was mentioned about the Muslim human shields protecting the Copts.

Nothing in Mainstream Media obviously.

But the question is: could such a thing really happen without a network, ideology and a strong commitment? In short a movement.

It exists and it is growing.



Capitalism equally hasn't worked and the Shari'a non-interest model DOES work and is only feared by the sheep - it works so well that many, many Western Capitalists use it because it realizes more profit for them.

They just don't want normal citizens to use it.



I can think of many things...if you can't then maybe you will be on the other side of the fence when it kicks off.

Fair enough but one should choose one's side soon I think.

Originally Posted by segovius

Oh look...I have lived there....yippee I get permission!! Wait for it:

CAPITALISM IS NO GOOD

Originally Posted by segovius

Capitalism has controlled the world for the last 200 years. So of course all inventions would stem from it.

But they built on early developments - there were a couple of thousand years before Capitalism as you probably know.

Those years had their own inventions and developments too and it would be the same if Capitalism disappeared.

Originally Posted by segovius

As to suggestions: I don't suggest. I have no idea and no knowledge of such things.

I do know that Capitalism will be superceded though. It is not, and cannot be, the be all and end all and a perfect system.

At best it is a stage in our development and, imo, is crumbling and will be replaced. Probably in the next 100 years more or less.

The success of Tunisias Jasmine Revolution, the first of its kind in an Arab country, has caught the worlds attention. Chinese are watching closely, too. Internet users and Chinese commentators say the dramatic events in Tunisia are an inspiration for the Chinese people.

Tunisian society bears many similarities to contemporary Chinese society, such as great disparities between rich and poor, soaring food prices, high unemployment rates, government corruption, an entrenched political dictatorship, and serious social turmoil. These similarities lead several experts to contemplate the possibility of a similar outcome for China.

Originally Posted by segovius

Yes, but the difference is the speed and amount of inventions which is unrivalled in all times and the communistic states in the last hundred years did not come forth with many inventions, if any at all.

Whose talking about Communist states?

You're also wrong btw - the USSR beat the US to put men in space and satellite technology and nearly beat them to put men on the moon. And also developed their own atomic power systems. All independently of any Western research.

I would also argue that the US space program was not the result of a Capitalist system - the main research was from German/Nazi sources and Werner von Braun. Without him they would not have done it, at least for a much longer period of time.

I would not call Nazi Germany Capitalist.

Originally Posted by segovius

Saw an interesting article today. About Vietnam.

Seems that as Capitalism is getting a hold then some shocks are in store.

One is that you can now get a $35 bowl of soup. Soup is generally $1 but this one is more.



I think that last bolded bit really sums up what Capitalism can do - perhaps ALL Capitalism can do. We don't get to see it in the West because we have been exposed to it all our lives and never knew anything else.

But here, at the transition point, we can see quite clearly.

Before: everyone can afford a $1 soup

After: some people can have the $35 soup - others can only afford the $1 soup

Here you have it in essence: it is a system that moves things from an egalitarian footing to one where it is legitimized that certain groups can have more.

Link

Prime Minister Sali Berisha of Albania has said there will be no Tunisia-style uprising in his country after three people died in clashes on Friday.

Thousands of protesters demanding his government's resignation were confronted by riot police in the capital Tirana.

Hundreds of protesters have descended on the Lebanese city of Tripoli to take part in a "day of rage" over the likely appointment of a Hezbollah-backed candidate as prime minister.

Anti-government activists in Egypt are preparing for a rare day of protest, inspired by the recent political upheaval in Tunisia.
Organisers have called for a "day of revolt against torture, poverty, corruption and unemployment".
But the government has warned they face arrest and is calling its supporters out in a counter-demonstration.

Though tens of thousands took to the streets of Cairo in 2005 calling for democratic reform, today's protests are far beyond the action in the capital. Reporters and activists on the scene in Cairo say there was a spirit of anger and defiance in the crowds and there were protests of varying sizes in at least a half-dozen Egyptian cities.....

But the riveting images beamed into millions of Egyptian homes of the Tunisian uprising appear to have led to a shift in the public consciousness, at least for today. A small group of leftists and democracy activists have been trying to organize protests like today's for years, but have generally failed to get large numbers out on the streets. Average Egyptians, mired in poverty and afraid of the consequences of participating in protests they suspect are doomed to failure, have stayed away.

That clearly changed today. Activists were reporting on their twitter feeds (until twitter service was shut down in Egypt at about 3:30 pm local time) that thousands from working class neighborhoods like Shubra, a warren-like neighborhood with millions of mostly poor residents, joined the protest marchers as they passed, and joined in shouts for Mubarak, his son and presumed heir Gamal, and Interior Minister Habib el-Adly to be driven from power....

Originally Posted by segovius

I'm sure they'll think of something.

It's not like it takes much to convince the sheep - no evidence needed or anything. They'll probably try the old 'it says wiped off the map but in their funny language so you can't understand it and will have to trust us' routine.