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post #1 of 48
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About bloody time too.

Oh, that's the UK btw, where weeed is no longer a class "B" automatic-trip-to-the-station type of dealie but an "I'll have that sonny, tut tut tut" affair.

Meaning: I can smoke spliffs on the streets of London town and The Man isn't going to do diddly.

Truly a great day.

Next maybe heroin can be easily available to registered junkies from doctors on prescription and they'll stop mugging and breaking in to pay for their habit. I live in hope.
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post #2 of 48
Id like to take all you junkie P's OF S and drop you into an Afghan cave, 10 seconds before we annihilate it. **** You.

PC tolerance. **** that too.
post #3 of 48
Next maybe heroin can be easily available to registered junkies from doctors on prescription and they'll stop mugging and breaking in to pay for their habit. I live in hope.


And who's going to pay for that? You will either way. Either the government will pay for it (that's your tax money), or the junkie will pay for it (by mugging you). Yeah, that's the ticket!
post #4 of 48
i guess i'm moving to london. actually, according to the laws of ny/nyc (th' greatest place on earf), holding less than 25g of mari j (~31g are in an oz) is only a `violation` (akin to a parking ticket) and (at most) a $100 fine (first offence, $250 thereafter). They aren't supposed to bring you in on that. They tend to b overzealous since Rudy's reefer maddness tho, and put you up for the night. damn fascists.
post #5 of 48
[quote]Originally posted by Outsider:
<strong>Next maybe heroin can be easily available to registered junkies from doctors on prescription and they'll stop mugging and breaking in to pay for their habit. I live in hope.


And who's going to pay for that? You will either way. Either the government will pay for it (that's your tax money), or the junkie will pay for it (by mugging you). Yeah, that's the ticket!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well hey, if I'm going to pay for it anyway I'd infinitely prefer to pay for it generously through my (dread word) TAXES without the threat of random violence or theft in a sort of public-spirited, let's-all-pull-together-like-civilised-human-beings fashion.
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[quote]Originally posted by Hassan i-Sabbah:
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Well hey, if I'm going to pay for it anyway I'd infinitely prefer to pay for it generously through my (dread word) TAXES without the threat of random violence or theft in a sort of public-spirited, let's-all-pull-together-like-civilised-human-beings fashion.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Amen.

 

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post #7 of 48
And I'm sure other tax payers feel the same way (not). I mean you guys do have a democracy there, right, so you would have to vote on it. I'd rather have MY taxes go towards treatment to get OFF heroin that to subsidize their addiction.
post #8 of 48
[quote]Originally posted by Harald:
<strong>About bloody time too.

Oh, that's the UK btw, where weeed is no longer a class "B" automatic-trip-to-the-station type of dealie but an "I'll have that sonny, tut tut tut" affair.

Meaning: I can smoke spliffs on the streets of London town and The Man isn't going to do diddly.

Truly a great day.

Next maybe heroin can be easily available to registered junkies from doctors on prescription and they'll stop mugging and breaking in to pay for their habit. I live in hope.</strong><hr></blockquote>



Very cool about the cannibus. But heroin is a whole other story. Rehabilitation and education should be the priorty, not hand-outs to support their habit. Heroin is a ****in' deadly drug. I've seen it destroy lives. It would be like handing out alcohol to drunks...only makes the situation worse.

Have a spliff on me... <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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post #9 of 48
[quote]Originally posted by MarcUK:
<strong>Id like to take all you junkie P's OF S and drop you into an Afghan cave, 10 seconds before we annihilate it. **** You.

PC tolerance. **** that too.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I seriously recommend you sit down somewhere quiet with a large spliff, Marc from Wiltshire, and chill.
post #10 of 48
[quote]Originally posted by Outsider:
<strong>I'd rather have MY taxes go towards treatment to get OFF heroin that to subsidize their addiction.</strong><hr></blockquote>

obviously you do not like heroin (or have never tried it). But, if its possible for a person to use it and like it, without hurting another person, then that should be possible. I think that the heroin addicts should be allowed to do their drug(s), but without hurting others. If all drugs are legalized, then corporate competition will eventually make them really cheap to buy, and that will end street-deals. Heroin addicts wouldn't need 10s of 1000s of dollars (USD) to get their fix. People could do drugs without mugging and looting. and without the criminal aspect.

plus, my hydroponic would be cheaper, and i could freely smoke on the street.
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[quote]Originally posted by thuh Freak:
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obviously you do not like heroin (or have never tried it). But, if its possible for a person to use it and like it, without hurting another person, then that should be possible. I think that the heroin addicts should be allowed to do their drug(s), but without hurting others. If all drugs are legalized, then corporate competition will eventually make them really cheap to buy, and that will end street-deals. Heroin addicts wouldn't need 10s of 1000s of dollars (USD) to get their fix. People could do drugs without mugging and looting. and without the criminal aspect.

plus, my hydroponic would be cheaper, and i could freely smoke on the street.</strong><hr></blockquote>

People often forget that most drug-related crime relates to the dealers. Legalize the drugs. Get rid of the dealers. Not to mention it would free more than half of the prisoners in the US. We are just a bunch of freaking puritans. Argh.

 

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[quote]Originally posted by Artman @_@:
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Very cool about the cannibus. But heroin is a whole other story. Rehabilitation and education should be the priorty, not hand-outs to support their habit. Heroin is a ****in' deadly drug. I've seen it destroy lives. It would be like handing out alcohol to drunks...only makes the situation worse.

Have a spliff on me... <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

If someone wants to kill themself, why shouldn't they? Hell, I think the government should help in any way possible. If cheeseburger is the weapon of choice--so be it. If alcohol or heroin are the weapons of choice--again, so be it. I want to see suicide booths at every corner.

JOIN THE FIGHT! YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO LIFE (AND TO END IT WHEN YOU PLEASE)! JOIN THE PRO-DEATH MOVEMENT!

 

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post #13 of 48
I'll join the pro-death movement! I plan on dying in 60 years or so, but I'll play it by ear when I get there.
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[quote]Originally posted by Outsider:
<strong>I'll join the pro-death movement! I plan on dying in 60 years or so, but I'll play it by ear when I get there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You don't have to want to die to be pro-death. You just have to believe that everyone has the right to die when they want to.

 

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post #15 of 48
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OK, look, it's really very simple.

Say I'm a smack head.

1) I'm ill because I get crap drugs, cut with rubbish. I spend all my money on junk so I sleep in a shit pit and don't eat.

2) To satisfy my addiction, I break into people's houses and steal things. I mug people on the street.

3) The money I spend is making bad people very rich. Maybe al Qaeda, maybe some fckuwit in Colombia, maybe the people who run my neighbourhood. They'll do everything they can to make sure I stay addicted.

4) MILLIONS is spent on trying to bust me, putting in me in clink (where I become even more hardened) as well as chasing the bad guys.

Now, Outsider, I'm sure you won't disagree with any of these, pretty factual wouldn't you say? If you disagree, please list the number and explain why.

Now let's say I get smack on prescription (as part of a PROGRAMME TO GET ME OFF JUNK).

1) I'm more healthy. My drugs are good. I'm not spending money on it so I'm not on the street. I can hold down a house. My chances of getting a job are higher. I've got a better chance of making a positive effect on the economy.

2) Well, I'm not going to commit any more crime, because I don't have to. Sleep better everyone! Feel safer walking down the streets. In addition, I'm part of a programme to get me off the crap.

3) What happens to the money that was going to the bad guys? I'll tell you. It doesn't go to the bad guys. Fewer big criminals, fewer terrorists, safer countries, the end of international drug trafficing.

4) The police don't have to spend that money busting me or smaller drug dealers. More resources to go after other criminals, less criminals.

The public purse will be *better off* ... what's more expensive to the state, greenhouse-grown drugs or the multi millions (billions) that go into busting millions of addicts, chasing the bad guys over and over again, when you bust one up comes another. Newsflash: the war on drugs is lost. Beat those scum another way.

OK Outie, where do you disagree with this logic?

Oh, and MarkUK, if you're intending on having a pint tonight you're a fücking jester, you "junkie P' of S." I'm no more addicted to weed then you are to pints.

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[quote]Originally posted by Harald:
<strong>OK, look, it's really very simple.

Say I'm a smack head.

1) I'm ill because I get crap drugs, cut with rubbish. I spend all my money on junk so I sleep in a shit pit and don't eat.

2) To satisfy my addiction, I break into people's houses and steal things. I mug people on the street.

3) The money I spend is making bad people very rich. Maybe al Qaeda, maybe some fckuwit in Colombia, maybe the people who run my neighbourhood. They'll do everything they can to make sure I stay addicted.

4) MILLIONS is spent on trying to bust me, putting in me in clink (where I become even more hardened) as well as chasing the bad guys.

Now, Outsider, I'm sure you won't disagree with any of these, pretty factual wouldn't you say? If you disagree, please list the number and explain why.

Now let's say I get smack on prescription (as part of a PROGRAMME TO GET ME OFF JUNK).

1) I'm more healthy. My drugs are good. I'm not spending money on it so I'm not on the street. I can hold down a house. My chances of getting a job are higher. I've got a better chance of making a positive effect on the economy.

2) Well, I'm not going to commit any more crime, because I don't have to. Sleep better everyone! Feel safer walking down the streets. In addition, I'm part of a programme to get me off the crap.

3) What happens to the money that was going to the bad guys? I'll tell you. It doesn't go to the bad guys. Fewer big criminals, fewer terrorists, safer countries, the end of international drug trafficing.

4) The police don't have to spend that money busting me or smaller drug dealers. More resources to go after other criminals, less criminals.

The public purse will be *better off* ... what's more expensive to the state, greenhouse-grown drugs or the multi millions (billions) that go into busting millions of addicts, chasing the bad guys over and over again, when you bust one up comes another. Newsflash: the war on drugs is lost. Beat those scum another way.

OK Outie, where do you disagree with this logic?

Oh, and MarkUK, if you're intending on having a pint tonight you're a fücking jester, you "junkie P' of S." I'm no more addicted to weed then you are to pints.

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Two Amens in one thread. That's gotta be some sort of record.

 

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[quote]Originally posted by Harald:
<strong>OK, look, it's really very simple.

Say I'm a smack head.

1) I'm ill because I get crap drugs, cut with rubbish. I spend all my money on junk so I sleep in a shit pit and don't eat.

2) To satisfy my addiction, I break into people's houses and steal things. I mug people on the street.

3) The money I spend is making bad people very rich. Maybe al Qaeda, maybe some fckuwit in Colombia, maybe the people who run my neighbourhood. They'll do everything they can to make sure I stay addicted.

4) MILLIONS is spent on trying to bust me, putting in me in clink (where I become even more hardened) as well as chasing the bad guys.

Now, Outsider, I'm sure you won't disagree with any of these, pretty factual wouldn't you say? If you disagree, please list the number and explain why.

Now let's say I get smack on prescription (as part of a PROGRAMME TO GET ME OFF JUNK).

1) I'm more healthy. My drugs are good. I'm not spending money on it so I'm not on the street. I can hold down a house. My chances of getting a job are higher. I've got a better chance of making a positive effect on the economy.

2) Well, I'm not going to commit any more crime, because I don't have to. Sleep better everyone! Feel safer walking down the streets. In addition, I'm part of a programme to get me off the crap.

3) What happens to the money that was going to the bad guys? I'll tell you. It doesn't go to the bad guys. Fewer big criminals, fewer terrorists, safer countries, the end of international drug trafficing.

4) The police don't have to spend that money busting me or smaller drug dealers. More resources to go after other criminals, less criminals.

The public purse will be *better off* ... what's more expensive to the state, greenhouse-grown drugs or the multi millions (billions) that go into busting millions of addicts, chasing the bad guys over and over again, when you bust one up comes another. Newsflash: the war on drugs is lost. Beat those scum another way.

OK Outie, where do you disagree with this logic?

Oh, and MarkUK, if you're intending on having a pint tonight you're a fücking jester, you "junkie P' of S." I'm no more addicted to weed then you are to pints.

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If i could feed all this info into a software program and it gives me a result as to how this will work 5, 10 and 20 years down the line, I would. But such a program does not exist. Listen, your plan may work but I think it's the wrong way to approach it. When someone tries this plan out then we can see some results. Only until then will we see if it makes the problem better or worse.

But you're not honestly telling me that heroin is not so bad a drug if it was cut and made cleanly? This is not pot, a relatively harmless drug that is not very addictive, this is heroin, highly addictive and dangerous. How do you know that if you give someone a cleaner and purer heroin that it won't make them MORE addictive and therefore they'll NEVER get off it no matter what treatments they receive? maybe the dirty impure heroin is the only thing making junkies resistant to total dependence on it.
post #18 of 48
i say legalize it all. you can't stop it. legalize it, take it out of the hands of the criminals, and tax it. if people want to do it, they're going to do it. the way i see it if your going to burn your self up on smack, then by all means go ahead. this is darwinism at it's best. let's take'm out of the gene pool.

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[quote]Originally posted by Outsider:
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If i could feed all this info into a software program and it gives me a result as to how this will work 5, 10 and 20 years down the line, I would. But such a program does not exist. Listen, your plan may work but I think it's the wrong way to approach it. When someone tries this plan out then we can see some results. Only until then will we see if it makes the problem better or worse.

But you're not honestly telling me that heroin is not so bad a drug if it was cut and made cleanly? This is not pot, a relatively harmless drug that is not very addictive, this is heroin, highly addictive and dangerous. How do you know that if you give someone a cleaner and purer heroin that it won't make them MORE addictive and therefore they'll NEVER get off it no matter what treatments they receive? maybe the dirty impure heroin is the only thing making junkies resistant to total dependence on it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Switzerland. Look into it. They have a program like this.

 

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[quote]Originally posted by running with scissors:
<strong>i say legalize it all. you can't stop it. legalize it, take it out of the hands of the criminals, and tax it. if people want to do it, they're going to do it. the way i see it if your going to burn you self up on smack then by all means go ahead. this is darwinism at it's best. let's take'm out of the gene pool.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The only reason marijuana, herion, et al are illegal is because alcohol, tobacco, and various pharmaceutical companies had a bigger lobby.

 

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[quote]Originally posted by BR:
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The only reason marijuana, herion, et al are illegal is because alcohol, tobacco, and various pharmaceutical companies had a bigger lobby.</strong><hr></blockquote>

true, but you can't forget the christian right either.
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[quote]Originally posted by running with scissors:
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true, but you can't forget the christian right either.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Since when were they right?

 

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post #23 of 48
Simply legalizing a hellish drug like heroin isn't going to accomplish much. There are two addictions: The chemical variety, which treatment centers are already capable of weaning people from, and the simple familiarity, which is a tougher nut to crack. If someone is treated for chemical dependency on heroin and put back where they were, it's highly likely that they'll be right back on it: The context they're in is one they associate with being high, the people they know they associate with the drug, they know where to score, etc. This is why cigarette addictions are among the hardest to break - not because nicotine is so powerfully addictive in and of itself, but because the social situations people smoke in are so common that they're almost impossible to avoid, and getting a cigarette can be as easy as bumming one off the guy next to you. Habit is powerful; mental associations are powerful.

The most reliable long-term way to cure a drug addict - any kind - is to relocate them to a new context. New neighborhood, new friends, new job. Then they can build new habits and new association s that aren't linked to the drug. A local musician who had to quit a thirty-year three pack a day habit (due to rampant emphysema) ended up, after several foiled attempts, putting his electric guitar away, retiring his band, and playing solo acoustic shows in coffeehouses. Why? Because as long as he was in a context that he'd always smoked in, and in a bar where there was a lot of smoking going on, he was hopeless. That worked. He's been clean for several years now.

As for marijuana, I'm not sure if this is so much a move toward legalization (to which I'm indifferent either way) so much as a move away from the silly hysteria that lumped it in with cocaine on the controlled substances list (at least in the US). Where I am, alcohol is a much more serious problem than marijuana, and I doubt even legalization would change that.
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post #24 of 48
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Amorph, great post, but a logic problem.

First you say that "simply legalizing a hellish drug like heroin isn't going to accomplish much" as once you're back out on the street the situation will see to it that you're back on the smack.

While I take the general point about addiction ...

... where are you going to get your street heroin from when the dealers are all out of business!?

They won't be there!

Your smack won't be "street legal" but available for FREE for registered addicts ONLY from doctors in the plan I outline.

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[quote]Originally posted by BR:
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Since when were they right?</strong><hr></blockquote>

would you prefer "christian extream a$$holes" instead?
post #26 of 48
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Actually, we do know what happen if my plan came in as that's how it used to be in the UK:

Registered addicts 1980: 2441
Registered addicts 1990: 17755


Heroin supply used to be in the hands of people that wanted you OFF it, instead of you ON it. And your sister. And your mum. And your mates.

[quote]"In 1995 up to £1.3 billion worth of property may have been stolen in the UK by heroin addicts alone to fund their habit". That is over £3.5 million a day! The cost to the criminal justice system in dealing with these offenders is another £1 billion. The amount of money spent by heroin users on heroin each year is at least £ 1.2 billion (remember that this is money outside the legal economy)."<hr></blockquote>

Now let's talk about the financial effect on tax payers shall we? Legalise it. We'll all be richer.

<a href="http://www.transform-drugs.org.uk/p-setting.htm" target="_blank">Here's my source</a> and no, it's good academic research, not a nutty "LEGALISE IT" site.
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post #27 of 48
Legalize it all, (im serious), and the second you cease to function as a normal human, and become a burden, ie needing rehab, unemployed, criminal, Then we sentance you to death.

Should I give a shit if your crack is cut and it makes you ill? About as much as you give a shit about the old lady you mugged to get her pension.

Infact, I hope you supply is bad and it does make you ill, very ill infact.
post #28 of 48
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[quote]Originally posted by MarcUK:
<strong>Legalize it all, (im serious), and the second you cease to function as a normal human, and become a burden, ie needing rehab, unemployed, criminal, Then we sentance you to death.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mark, you're being a prick now.

I'm not saying "make it legal so you can buy it on any street corner." You'd know that if you read the posts. I'm saying:

*put the dealers out of business
*stop the need for people to mug others
*some other stuff you won't read

And that's not how you spell sentence.
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[quote]Originally posted by running with scissors:
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would you prefer "christian extream a$$holes" instead?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Now you're on the right track. Get it? Get it?

 

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[quote]Originally posted by Harald:
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Mark, you're being a prick now.

I'm not saying "make it legal so you can buy it on any street corner." You'd know that if you read the posts. I'm saying:

*put the dealers out of business
*stop the need for people to mug others
*some other stuff you won't read

And that's not how you spell sentence.</strong><hr></blockquote>

1) I beg to differ
2) And Im saying that unless it was so legal that you could buy it on any street corner, there will always be a criminal element involved. Cigarrettes are legally obtainable on every street corner, so why is there still extensive tobacco smuggling? Exactly

3)moron


And thats not how you spell Marc!!!!

4) Why offer legally obtainable drugs through prescription/rehab etc. If someone gets to this stage, I do not want them on my planet. They are a burden. Why should I pay for their ****-up? I would have them sentenced to death.

5) And no I dont give a shit for PC.


edit: Right, now wheres the single mums on benefits thread?

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post #31 of 48
[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
<strong>Get off your Drugs

Stop your complaining

Grow Up

Face the music of life without Drugs

Grow Up

Grow Up

Grow UP

Next issue?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Noooooo, religion doesn't breed intolerance....

 

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post #32 of 48
street deals will go down. theres proof in amsterdam. i didn know that there was tobacco smuggling. that is surprising. so, maybe street deals wont die completely. as for refusing to treat people who are on drugs, that is callous. if a person had aids would you say the same thing?
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[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
<strong>Get off your Drugs

Stop your complaining

Grow Up

Face the music of life without Drugs

Grow Up

Grow Up

Grow UP

Next issue?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Grow up and stop complaining!

It's genius.

Church, you should be in government.
post #34 of 48
[quote]Originally posted by MarcUK:
<strong>
2) And Im saying that unless it was so legal that you could buy it on any street corner, there will always be a criminal element involved. Cigarrettes are legally obtainable on every street corner, so why is there still extensive tobacco smuggling? Exactly[ 07-12-2002: Message edited by: MarcUK ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

I am a smackhead too. I can either:

a) buy smack from a guy on the corner, probably cut with Vim
or
b) get it free, and pharmaceutical grade from my doctor.

Er, 'b'. Yes, I'd go for 'b'. My doctor doesn't prescribe cigarettes. Does yours?

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[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
<strong>Get off your Drugs

Stop your complaining

Grow Up

Face the music of life without Drugs

Grow Up

Grow Up

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Next issue?</strong><hr></blockquote>

sometimes you need a little break from reality from time to time to get a fresh perspective on life. is there really any difference wether i get that break with alcohol, pot, shrooms, or religion?

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[quote]Originally posted by MarcUK:
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1) I beg to differ<hr></blockquote></strong>

If good heroin is available for free from a doctor, why would someone buy crap heroin from a dealer? Straight question, straight answer please.

<strong> [quote]2) And Im saying that unless it was so legal that you could buy it on any street corner, there will always be a criminal element involved. Cigarrettes are legally obtainable on every street corner, so why is there still extensive tobacco smuggling? Exactly.<hr></blockquote></strong>

Uh, no. Not exactly, but you are making my point for me! If I can get something I'm addicted to either by paying a lot or paying a little, I'll pay a little. But I'll still get it. If it's free, Marc, WHY WOULD I PAY A DEALER FOR INFERIOR STUFF? Where is the economic advantage in being a dealer when I'm up against the government?

<strong> [quote]4) Why offer legally obtainable drugs through prescription/rehab etc. If someone gets to this stage, I do not want them on my planet. They are a burden. Why should I pay for their ****-up? I would have them sentenced to death.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Let me get this straight: you would rather end someone's life then give them help to make their lives better? Is that what you're saying? I guess there ain't much point debating with you then about possible real-world solutions to real world problems.

My solution is one that was the status quo until 20 years ago.

Your solution is one that even the Daily Mail would find obscene along with 99.9% of the UK.
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5) And no I dont give a shit for PC.
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Yeh! Let's you and me find some Downs Syndrome kids and call them "spazz monkeys" for a laugh!!!

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[quote]Originally posted by thuh Freak:
<strong>street deals will go down. theres proof in amsterdam. i didn know that there was tobacco smuggling. that is surprising. so, maybe street deals wont die completely. as for refusing to treat people who are on drugs, that is callous. if a person had aids would you say the same thing?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Of course there is tobacco smuggling, we used to get a couple come round in a van every month to sell us cheap cigs where I worked. Turkish, Greek fags, thousands of them. WHY? Because the govnment taxes it highly. They make a few quid, their dealer makes a few thou, at the top of the chain you have brutal gangs organising shit like this to make millions. All this for goods sold legally on every corner.

Harald says that legalising drugs kills the dealer market. BS. How many users (not the completely f-uped desperate sell my ass for a hit types) are going to go see their GP for a months supply of coke. About 0.2% of them.

Sell a box of 20 crack-fags on every corner. Regular packs of 20 tobacco cigs cost apx £5 here because of govn taxes. Only a retard would think that '20 cracks' is not going to cost at least £20 due to taxes. Do you want your rebellious teenage kid legally buying '20 cracks' with his paperround money.

There is no answer to the drug problems. That is why I advocate a 'if you get involved in something you really really know will **** you up. You will be sentEnced to death'. policy
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[quote]Originally posted by MarcUK:
<strong>Harald says that legalising drugs kills the dealer market. BS. How many users (not the completely f-uped desperate sell my ass for a hit types) are going to go see their GP for a months supply of coke. About 0.2% of them.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Marc:

You are an addict, poor and hungry with a MONKEY ON YOUR BACK THE SIZE OF GIBRALTAR.

You have a choice:

1) Beg, and when that doesn't work mug someone at personal risk, break into a bunch of houses and steal a few tellys and flog a few car radios. If you are female, sell your body (as they do on my street). Go without food.

2) Go to the doctor and get your fix.

0.02% would do the latter?

You're the one on drugs matey.
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What the hell reason on Earth should Junkies be given FREE drugs from their GP.?

I have to pay for that. You would be a burden on me. **** you. Where do I get a say, Ive done nothing wrong,I didn't become addicted to something that I KNEW was going to **** my life up before I took the first hit. And you want me to pay for you to get it for free??????

FVCK YOU AGAIN
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[quote]Originally posted by Harald:
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Marc:

You are an addict, poor and hungry with a MONKEY ON YOUR BACK THE SIZE OF GIBRALTAR.

You have a choice:

1) Beg, and when that doesn't work mug someone at personal risk, break into a bunch of houses and steal a few tellys and flog a few car radios. If you are female, sell your body (as they do on my street). Go without food.

2) Go to the doctor and get your fix.

0.02% would do the latter?

You're the one on drugs matey.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You may If you can see through your purple haze notice that I specifically bracketed out the types of people that would go to their doctor for thier fix. Which happen to be very close to your approximation.

But do you really think that the people who take E's at the weekend, do coke on thier business trips etc etc are going to go to their doctor to get it?

I put it to you, that if you read AND understand what I am saying, and still dismiss it, then YOU must be on drugs, right about now i'd guess

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