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Google has reportedly asked makers of upcoming Google TV-powered television sets to cancel plans to show off devices as the upcoming Consumer Electronics Show, as the search giant is working to refine its software.

According to The New York Times, HDTV manufacturers like Toshiba, LG Electronics and Sharp were prepared to show off new televisions running the Google TV software at CES 2011 in January. Launched in November, the platform competes with the newly launched $99 Apple TV.

"Google has asked the TV makers to delay their introductions, according to people familiar with the company's plans, so it can refine the software, which has received a lukewarm reception," the report said. "The late request caught some of the manufacturers off guard."

Google TV launched to relatively poor reviews, and has faced problems such as networks blocking their Web-based content from devices running the search giant's Android-based platform. The software was introduced on a handful of devices, including a 46-inch Sony TV set and a set-top box from Logitech.

The report from the Times also suggested that Google's last-minute changes to products and their release schedule may be upsetting to its partners. It noted that the Chrome OS platform for netbooks was supposed to launch this year, but was recently delayed to 2011.

"Google has a long history of putting out new products and then revising them on the fly," the report said. "But in the consumer electronics market, companies place big, well-timed bets -- to attract holiday buyers, say, or back-to-school shoppers."
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After a long hard day at work, I go home and turn on the TV and all I want it to do is be a TV. Play movies, tv shows, maybe play music too, and maybe a few little things. What I don't need it to be is a "computer". That's what I bought a desktop and laptop for.
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The usual Google "release a crappy product then fix it later" way..
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I suspect that Apple would not have promoted the AppleTV from "hobby" status were it not for the Google competition, and I suspect that Apple now regrets the promotion.

As Apple knows and Google is learning, TV is a hard nut to crack due to the technical/legal obstacles raised both by the content owners and the cable companies. I think the public would be well served by some anti-trust scrutiny applied to these colluding incumbents that are stifling innovation and hurting consumers.
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The usual Google "release a crappy product then fix it later" way..

Nah, google TV is just in beta, but they forgot to tell everyone that.
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I suspect that Apple would not have promoted the AppleTV from "hobby" status

I am pretty sure Apple has not promoted it from hobby status anymore. Jobs took great pains to explain how this space has still not been figured out, during the unveiling of the new Apple TV.
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Im sure Ill get a lot of slack for this comment, but from a literal stand point, Apple owns the living room. Between the iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad I bet there are more internet-capable, computing devices in the living room from Apple than any other CE company. They dont own the HEC of the living room, and may never own that, but that is no longer the only place in the living room where people are being engaged by electronics.


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I am pretty sure Apple has not promoted it from hobby status anymore. Jobs took great pains to explain how this space has still not been figured out, during the unveiling of the new Apple TV.

I seem to recall that Jobs referred to as a hobby in the current sense during the AppleTV demo.
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I’m sure I’ll get a lot of slack for this comment, but from a literal stand point, Apple owns the living room. Between the iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad I bet there are more internet-capable, computing devices in the living room from Apple than any other CE company. They don’t own the HEC of the living room, and may never own that, but that is no longer the only place in the living room where people are being engaged by electronics.

That's very true for an "All-Apple products" household. No other tech company out there have a better integration of it's products than Apple.
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That's very true for an "All-Apple product" household. No other tech company out there have a better integration of it's products than Apple.

What about a home with just a one or two Apple handheld devices? When I think of all the combinations of internet-capable devices that would be used in a living room setting on a regular basis Apple seems to be coming to the top of that list. Being on the internet on a portable device whilst in front of the TV seems to be getting more and more than norm, from my anecdotal experience.
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The usual Google "release a crappy product then fix it later" way..

Not only that but every products are quite ugly. Some are effective, yes like Gmail but all are ugly unless they have something great to copy.
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They don't have the experience in hardware design and GUI design that Apple does. They have the content, but a lot of it is just scraped from the Internet. Apple partners with professional content providers (e.g. studios). I think Apple is more likely to win this fight.
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I seem to recall that Jobs referred to as a hobby in the current sense during the AppleTV demo.

Yes i recall him introducing it as "one more hobby" as opposed to his usual "one more thing"
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The software was introduced on a handful of devices, including a 46-inch Sony TV set and a set-top box from Logitech.

I wonder if people bought this TV as a direct result of the integration of Google TV. If that was the case i'd be pretty p****d if i then found i could no longer use it.
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Im sure Ill get a lot of slack for this comment, but from a literal stand point, Apple owns the living room. Between the iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad I bet there are more internet-capable, computing devices in the living room from Apple than any other CE company.

Right on. AirPlay is a huge step in making those devices TV-compatible as well. As that is updated and refined, it will be an even more compelling feature. When I can use my iTouch/Phone/Pad apps/browser with the TV as the display, Google TV becomes completely non-competitive.

Multiplayer AirPlay gaming could be sweet, too. Now those millions of i-devices become gaming consoles.
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After a long hard day at work, I go home and turn on the TV and all I want it to do is be a TV. Play movies, tv shows, maybe play music too, and maybe a few little things. What I don't need it to be is a "computer". That's what I bought a desktop and laptop for.

I agree. And this is where the Apple TV is different from Google TV. It just gives you access to content which is preferable on a large TV .i.e Movies. Photos and YouTube are nice to have but i prefer to view those on my iPad/iPhone. In my house it isn't always appreciated when i hijack the TV to show off my latest slideshow. And YouTube videos are too low def at the mo.

TV manufacturers should be bending over backwards trying to convince Apple to allow ATV into their hardware. I mean the cost would surely be minimal. Who'd object to paying £50 more for a TV that had an element of iTunes integration? It's so easy to use. A no brainer.
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I suspect that Apple would not have promoted the AppleTV from "hobby" status were it not for the Google competition, and I suspect that Apple now regrets the promotion.

Maybe you should look at the keynotes again, he introduced it has "one more hobby" for crying out loud.

To be successful, a TV device need to be has simple has it can get. Even AppleTV "braindead" interface is still too complex for some people. If I cant figured out what the heck GoogleTv actually does, imagine how average Joe is doing.

Android "flash" tablets hint: Studios are already planning to BLOCK tablets with flash from accessing there TV content sites. This what you get when you want to bypass studios negociations. ditto for GoogleTV. Maybe Apple only got ABC/FOX/Disney, but at least they went upfront and tried.

I just hope Apple starts an AppleTV "apps" store soon so that thing can be all it can be.
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TV manufacturers should be bending over backwards trying to convince Apple to integrate ATV into their hardware.

Who says they didn't and Jobs said no.

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Who says they didn't and Jobs said no.

I doubt very much that TV executives (i.e., Hollywood) went begging to Steve to be a part of his insular, 99-cent world.
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Im sure Ill get a lot of slack for this comment, but from a literal stand point, Apple owns the living room. Between the iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad ...


I agree with you. But I would add that in addition to hardware, the content/services side of the equation is comparably important. And with its near-ubiquitous ITunes, Apple owns that too!
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Im sure Ill get a lot of slack for this comment, but from a literal stand point, Apple owns the living room. Between the iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad I bet there are more internet-capable, computing devices in the living room from Apple than any other CE company. They dont own the HEC of the living room, and may never own that, but that is no longer the only place in the living room where people are being engaged by electronics.

I'm not so sure about that to be honest. The average consumer hasn't figured out that they can stream their content to a TV, and for them they are still using cable/satellite and a DVD/BD device for their viewing habits.

Amongst those of us who do want to be able to stream content to our TVs, the XBOX and Windows Media (and/or PlayOn) combination (or a PS/3 and UPnP combo) seem to be the king. I'd even argue that in many ways these combos are more powerful than what Apple's offering. The devices play far more formats and offer a fair bit more flexibility (out-of-the-box Apple sticks you to iTunes-compatible formats and a very limited selection of Internet content, while the XBOX and PS3 offer more video formats and more Internet content). I think what Apple offers is ease of connectivity, and once those average consumers figure out how easy it is, Apple may take control of the living room.

I'm not saying I think Microsoft or Sony are offering preferable options. I looked at the 360 and PS/3 and opted for a 1st-Gen AppleTV and love it (especially after hacking the TV and putting Boxee on it).
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Who says they didn't and Jobs said no.

Well it would be reported here on AI if dialogue had taken place wouldn't it?
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As Apple knows and Google is learning, TV is a hard nut to crack due to the technical/legal obstacles raised both by the content owners and the cable companies. I think the public would be well served by some anti-trust scrutiny applied to these colluding incumbents that are stifling innovation and hurting consumers.

I wish there was a way to have just a fiber pipe into a home without the associated cable tv account. That way I could choose which provider to use rather than be stuck with the single cable company that services that neighborhood. If the city gives you no choice then cable service needs to be regulated like other utilities. BTW I should mention I hate TWC. They have somewhere around 80% average uptime rate in my location plus the prices are ridiculous.

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while the XBOX and PS3 offer more video formats and more Internet content).

BBC i-player was a big draw for me when i bought my son a new PS3 after his old one gave up the ghost. I'd love to see an i-player app on the ATV.
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Google sells, I mean gives away, junk. Then they have their employees flood apple forums to tell how great the stuff is because it's 'open'.
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BBC i-player was a big draw for me when i bought my son a new PS3 after his old one gave up the ghost. I'd love to see an i-player app on the ATV.

I think it's only a matter of time before there's an app store for the new AppleTV. Certainly there will be apps for a jailbroken ATV soon enough, and if the hardware is capable of streaming at least 720p MKV files, I'll be replacing my 1st gen straight away (I currently have a WDTV Live next to the TV which I use for streaming my non-iTunes HD content, but would love to integrate everything back into a single device, but the 1st Gen TV will not play anything other than very strictly-encoded h.264 files over 480p)
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The usual Google "release a crappy product then fix it later" way..

Yep, same as MS!
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Google sells, I mean gives away, junk. Then they have their employees flood apple forums to tell how great the stuff is because it's 'open'.

It's funny how the attitude toward Google seems to have changed over the last few years. They were seen as the web-savior for a long time, giving us a better search engine than Yahoo and putting AltaVista out of business quite quickly, not to mention ensuring YouTube was still free, giving us GoogleDocs, and bringing the power (almost) of iPhoto to the PC world by giving away Picassa. G-Mail has ruled since giving us a much better webmail alternative to Hotmail and Yahoo... Now that Google has grown huge, we all complain about privacy concerns (not that I don't think that's a very valid worry) and about what crap they put out (I think Android looks kinda compelling, TBH, even if it's not nearly as refined as iOS).

As Apple grows, I wonder how long until we're all screaming about the control they have over our devices...

(Stourque, this is in no way an attack on your post nor against you btw, I'm just stating a general observation)
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I just can't see myself ever wanting to interract with my TV using a keyboard. The TV is there for me to consume and consume only. The whole interactive element just doesn't cut it for me when it comes to the TV, as I see it as a method of pure escapism. Plus, I like my living room to look nice and in my opinion, something with loads of buttons and flashing lights might have looked good in the 80's, but these days it just looks crappy!

That's what I like about the way Apple have done things. I sort stuff out on the computer, then when I'm at the TV the Apple TV allows me to access things easily. I'm the same with Netflix - I sort out my queue on the computer, then it's just a couple of button presses on the PS3 to get what I want playing.
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Yep, same as MS!

Well, their argument isn't so much that they're open (even though I think MS is far, far from open), it's that "we have more software options for our platform than they do (just please ignore that 90% of what's out there is rubbish)..."
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I am pretty sure Apple has not promoted it from hobby status anymore. Jobs took great pains to explain how this space has still not been figured out, during the unveiling of the new Apple TV.

Yep. He lamented on it being a "go to market" problem with regional cable companies and the old school Networks not to mention the Movie industry.

Apple did too good a job "organizing" the Music industry and the Movie/television industries are too scared to embrace Apple.
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It's funny how the attitude toward Google seems to have changed over the last few years. They were seen as the web-savior for a long time, giving us a better search engine than Yahoo and putting AltaVista out of business quite quickly, not to mention ensuring YouTube was still free, giving us GoogleDocs, and bringing the power (almost) of iPhoto to the PC world by giving away Picassa. G-Mail has ruled since giving us a much better webmail alternative to Hotmail and Yahoo... Now that Google has grown huge, we all complain about privacy concerns (not that I don't think that's a very valid worry) and about what crap they put out (I think Android looks kinda compelling, TBH, even if it's not nearly as refined as iOS).

As Apple grows, I wonder how long until we're all screaming about the control they have over our devices...

(Stourque, this is in no way an attack on your post nor against you btw, I'm just stating a general observation)

You forgot stole people data with Google streer and drive-by. Scanned books without permission. Leave code on GoogleTV for people to hack into network content etc. Etc.

And as for Apple, like they are not painted into a control freak enough.
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You forgot stole people data with Google streer and drive-by. Scanned book without permission. Leave code on GoogleTV for people to hack into network content etc. Etc.

And as for Apple, like they are not painted into a control freak enough.


You forgot the part where Google, the defender of freedom and free speech, censored Search results in China for 4 years for MONEY.

oh btw, they're STILL currently censoring search results in 28 other countries.

If youre going to take a stance GOOGLE, dont pussyfoot around it.


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I am pretty sure Apple has not promoted it from hobby status anymore. Jobs took great pains to explain how this space has still not been figured out, during the unveiling of the new Apple TV.

I'm Pretty Amazed Some People Like You Absolutely " UNDERESTIMATE " The Value of Apple TV!!!!!!


I Suppose You NEVER HAVE EXPERIENCED The Amazing Tricks of " AirPlay " at All in Person.

As I Reiterated, Since Its Launch Here in Japan One Month Ago, Apple TV HAS MADE Unpredicted SENSATION and NOW HAS BECOME No.1 Christmas Present Candidate Between Friends (For More Intimate Ones, Mac Book Air and i-Pad ARE THE ONES!).


Because Apple TV Has Launched Still Only In Limited Countries in The World, People EVEN Don'T Know What IT'S Like and CAN NOT Assess That Properly.


So, If You Haven't Experience Apple TV Directly in Person At Home Especially " AirPlay " by i-OS Devices, Stop Your Argument on Apple TV!


You're NOT ENTITLED To.

But Once You've Got That " Magically Agile Futuristic Experience " Out Of Apple TV, You NEVER CAN GO BACK TO Other Devices Such As PS3 and Google TV and/or Other Services Like ActVila in JAPAN.


WHY?


Because, THEY'RE All TOO CUMBERSOME TO HANDLE in Process Compared To Apple TV!!!!!!


Even Google TV Personally Imported From U.S. Have Been Assessed By Techies HERE, But THEY " UNANIMOUSLY " Iterated, " TOO SLOW, TOO CUMBERSOME "!!!!!!!!


Differently It is Said that Apple TV 2 Consists of i-OS Like Operating System and Same A4 Chips As in i-Phone and i-Pad.


So You Can Exercise Same " Seamless, Flawless and Effortless " Conducts of Movement on Apple TV Through i-OS Devices' AirPlay Such As " Flick ", " Swype ", " Pinch-In ", " Pinch-Out " etc.


IT'S A Sort Of " INCOGNITO " Experience for Ordinary People and A LOT OF FUN Not Only For Children But Matured Adults!!!!!!!!


Just Take A Instance of Watching Contents of YouTube Have You Thoroughly and Easily Understand How Different and Comfortable Experience Apple TV Brings About to You!!!!!!


When IT Comes To Cinema Purchase and Renting, Finally, Yeahhh, Finally THAT " Sony Pictures " Announced that They Would Provide i-Tunes Store With Their Abundant Motion Pictures Assets A Couple Days Ago To Our Big Surprise and Are Already Delivering Popular Contents Such As " Salt " Here in JAPAN.


All The More, Apple TV's Value HAS INCREASED HERE in JAPAN!!!!!!!!!


I'm Sure THIS DEVICE Is Going To Make " BLOCKBUSTER " Sales Not Only HERE in JAPAN But ALL OVER The WORLD!!!!!!!!!!
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I doubt very much that TV executives (i.e., Hollywood) went begging to Steve to be a part of his insular, 99-cent world.

Probbably not, but he was talking about manufacturers, not content content executives.

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I love love love my Apple TV!

compare the remote controls for both products (Apple & Google) GOOGLE SUCKS!


Apple TV Remote control / iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch remote control APP







Google TV Remote control

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I'm Pretty Amazed Some People Like You Absolutely " UNDERESTIMATE " The Value of Apple TV!!!!!!


I Suppose You NEVER HAVE EXPERIENCED The Amazing Tricks of " AirPlay " at All in Person.

As I Reiterated, Since Its Launch Here in Japan One Month Ago, Apple TV HAS MADE Unpredicted SENSATION and NOW HAS BECOME No.1 Christmas Present Candidate Between Friends (For More Intimate Ones, Mac Book Air and i-Pad ARE THE ONES!).


Because Apple TV Has Launched Still Only In Limited Countries in The World, People EVEN Don'T Know What IT'S Like and CAN NOT Assess That Properly.


So, If You Haven't Experience Apple TV Directly in Person At Home Especially " AirPlay " by i-OS Devices, Stop Your Argument on Apple TV!

If you don't have an AppleTV 2, but have an Intel Mac, but you can approximate AirPlay by streaming from an iPad or iPhone to the Mac.

Erica Sadun has written an experimental Mac app called AirPlayer:

Introducing AirPlayer: Mac-based AirPlay service allows device-to-Mac playback

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/12/14/hacks...to-mac-playba/
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It's funny how the attitude toward Google seems to have changed over the last few years. They were seen as the web-savior for a long time, giving us a better search engine than Yahoo and putting AltaVista out of business quite quickly, not to mention ensuring YouTube was still free, giving us GoogleDocs, and bringing the power (almost) of iPhoto to the PC world by giving away Picassa. G-Mail has ruled since giving us a much better webmail alternative to Hotmail and Yahoo... Now that Google has grown huge, we all complain about privacy concerns (not that I don't think that's a very valid worry) and about what crap they put out (I think Android looks kinda compelling, TBH, even if it's not nearly as refined as iOS).

I think Google has lost their focus. When there were just a search engine they were awesome. Even when they started creating applications, they made things better. Somewhere along the way, they stopped caring about what they produced and just wanted to be everything to everybody. The search engine isn't even independent any more. The results are a function of how much money someone pays them. I feel like they have broken the trust I used to have. They are more and more like Microsoft every day.
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I'm Sure THIS DEVICE Is Going To Make " BLOCKBUSTER " Sales Not Only HERE in JAPAN But ALL OVER The WORLD!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, Apple Advertising Department!
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Has anybody yet figured out why Apple refuses to update the 1st gen AppleTV for NetFlix compatibility besides trying to rope you into buying a new one?
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