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Verizon is "still excited" about launching Apple's iPhone early next year "to combat slowing Android momentum in the US," according to analyst Shaw Wu of Kaufman Bros.

The confirmation of Verizon's interest in launching the iPhone, "despite it already carrying a full roster of competing operating systems including Android, BlackBerry, Symbian, Windows, and webOS," provides additional support for data reported earlier showing a sharp decline in Verizon's growth from Android following the launch of iPhone 4.

The Kaufman Bros. note emphasizes Verizon's concerns about Android and its market share losses to AT&T, stating, "our sources indicate that VZ views iPhone as essential to its future success."

The firm also noted that it appears that AT&T's exclusive on RIM's BlackBerry Torch is set to expire at the end of this year, allowing Verizon to sell it or a similar model on its network as well.
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Well Duh....
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I can't wait to see the iPhone on Verizon just to see how popular it becomes over there and also how Apple handles having multiple versions of the device.
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I'm still waiting for the Verizon tv Christmas ads of the Land of Misfit Toys?!

Kiss the Apple Ring oh Verizon, Kiss the Apple Ring... Jobs commands you!

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Our long national nightmare is almost over.
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This is going to get tricky for Apple. Let's say the Verizon iPhone comes out in January and it has all the specs of the current iPhone 4 (except having the different chip for Verizon's network) and then Apple releases the iPhone 5 for AT&T in June/July with the new updated specs. Are they going to release the iPhone 5 at that time for Verizon as well? If so, the early adopters at Verizon are going to feel flim flammed. It would have been nice for everyone if this could have been coordinated to happen all at once. Ideally, it would be good to have the new Verizon iphone come out as an iPhone 5 in June/July. But obviously no one wants to wait that long, including Apple and Verizon. A lot of phones can be sold in 6 months! This too shall pass but I bet we are going to hear grumblings about it from users. This is going to be similar to when the iPad came out and then a few months later we have the iPhone 4 with better specs. The iPad already seemed outdated in some ways.
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This is going to get tricky for Apple. Let's say the Verizon iPhone comes out in January and it has all the specs of the current iPhone 4 (except having the different chip for Verizon's network) and then Apple releases the iPhone 5 for AT&T in June/July with the new updated specs. Are they going to release the iPhone 5 at that time for Verizon as well? If so, the early adopters at Verizon are going to feel flim flammed. It would have been nice for everyone if this could have been coordinated to happen all at once. Ideally, it would be good to have the new Verizon iphone come out as an iPhone 5 in June/July. But obviously no one wants to wait that long, including Apple and Verizon. A lot of phones can be sold in 6 months! This too shall pass but I bet we are going to hear grumblings about it from users. This is going to be similar to when the iPad came out and then a few months later we have the iPhone 4 with better specs. The iPad already seemed outdated in some ways.

Yeah, they need to lock in as much market share as they can, as soon as possible. I'm hoping they just move up to a 6-month refresh cycle to combat the frequent Android releases. Sure, the upgrades would be less substantial, but it would keep their hardware on the cutting edge, which is where they want and need to be.
Not like they don't have the necessary R&D budget.
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I don't mean to be the fly on the Apple here, but is anyone really certain that the iPhone is coming to Verizon?
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I don't mean to be the fly on the Apple here, but is anyone really certain that the iPhone is coming to Verizon?

Yes, absolutely. I have been certain for about 3 years now.
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Originally Posted by hamiltonrrwatch View Post

I don't mean to be the fly on the Apple here, but is anyone really certain that the iPhone is coming to Verizon?

Id bet money its finally coming. Too much anecdotal evidence from to many disparate sources for me not think its finally getting announced in 2011.
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Yes, absolutely. I have been certain for about 3 years now.

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Originally Posted by Retrogusto View Post

Yeah, they need to lock in as much market share as they can, as soon as possible. I'm hoping they just move up to a 6-month refresh cycle to combat the frequent Android releases. Sure, the upgrades would be less substantial, but it would keep their hardware on the cutting edge, which is where they want and need to be.
Not like they don't have the necessary R&D budget.

not worth it to apple, and not really ideal for the consumer. too many versions out there, too much trouble to support all of them, etc. i don't need a new phone every 6 months. once a year is plenty, especially with 2-year contracts in place. besides, name one apple product that is on a 6-mo update cycle...

i wouldn't be at all surprised to see an announcement early 2011, delivery mid-year with iphone 5. the anouncement will be enough to stunt the growth of android further. people will wait 6-months with an expired contract for an iphone... and the majority of people won't have their contracts expire within that 6-mo period anyway.
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Maybe we won't have to wait till nearly summer for iPhone5. Just maybe there would be a compromise on dates and push out Verizons' launch, and push up the ATT&T launch sooner?
Just a thought.
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Yes, absolutely. I have been certain for about 3 years now.

haha

Yep, I'm not convinced that Verizon will get the Jesus Phone in jan. My bets this rumour is the continuation of the stalling tactic, and that they will be onboard with the iPhone 5. If that allows me to stock up on AAPL for 5% cheaper in jan thats fine by me. Let the spin masters do their thang.
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Originally Posted by hamiltonrrwatch View Post

I don't mean to be the fly on the Apple here, but is anyone really certain that the iPhone is coming to Verizon?

2007 Verizon will sell the iPhone
2008 Verizon will sell the iPhone
2009 Verizon will sell the iPhone
2010 Verizon will sell the iPhone
2011 Verizon will sell the iPhone

Eventually, a broken clock is 'correct' twice a day.

I feel sorry for all those who continue to wait based on these rumors. You missed out on a great experience over the last few years.
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Are they going to release the iPhone 5 at that time for Verizon as well?

Most likely, yes.

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If so, the early adopters at Verizon are going to feel flim flammed.

Tough luck. There are plenty of examples of Apple doing what it needs to do without worrying overly much about whether customers have tech envy.

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Originally Posted by cronked View Post

This is going to get tricky for Apple. Let's say the Verizon iPhone comes out in January and it has all the specs of the current iPhone 4 (except having the different chip for Verizon's network) and then Apple releases the iPhone 5 for AT&T in June/July with the new updated specs. Are they going to release the iPhone 5 at that time for Verizon as well? If so, the early adopters at Verizon are going to feel flim flammed. It would have been nice for everyone if this could have been coordinated to happen all at once. Ideally, it would be good to have the new Verizon iphone come out as an iPhone 5 in June/July. But obviously no one wants to wait that long, including Apple and Verizon. A lot of phones can be sold in 6 months! This too shall pass but I bet we are going to hear grumblings about it from users. This is going to be similar to when the iPad came out and then a few months later we have the iPhone 4 with better specs. The iPad already seemed outdated in some ways.

Unlike when you buy the latest and greatest Android phone only to see it eclipsed by the next latest and greatest Android phone 15 minutes later?

Why would anyone feel "film flamed" just because Apple brings out a new phone 6 months after you bought one? That's actually relatively slow for the phone industry, and almost anyone is going to spend at least a year of their two year contact with last year's phone. I think most consumers are pretty aware of how that works.
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Tough luck. There are plenty of examples of Apple doing what it needs to do without worrying overly much about whether customers have tech envy.

And we’re talking a blip on the radar. The original iPhone did well for Apple and paved the way for the future iPhones without Apple having to wait for the appropriate ‘3G’ radios to be production ready.

If people really want an iPhone that isn’t on AT&T they will buy it even if they know a new one is coming along shortly. After all, there are people that buy the iPhone up to and even after a new model is released so there is certainly a market for it.

My questions are:
  • Has Apple made Verizon incorporate this rumoured jiggering of EV-DO Rev. A to make it capable of simultaneous voice and data?
  • Will it maintain the same physical design so that cases and other accessories work out of the box?
  • If announced in January, will it be released alongside the typical iPhone release or be released months ahead of time to give Verizon some attention and give Apple time to ramp up production (though there is a new Foxconn iPhone factory apparently coming online in early 2011)?
  • Will Apple also continue to partner with AT&T and will there be other carriers deals?
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I paid Verizon $210 to get out of my contract in 2007. I made the decision to jump to Att after my agency's IT group opened up the iPhone to the corporate network. I saw the iPhone as an investment in myself. To this day it remains one of the most important tools I employ for managing & growing my business and thus my career.
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2007 Verizon will sell the iPhone
2008 Verizon will sell the iPhone
2009 Verizon will sell the iPhone
2010 Verizon will sell the iPhone
2011 Verizon will sell the iPhone

Eventually, a broken clock is 'correct' twice a day.

I feel sorry for all those who continue to wait based on these rumors. You missed out on a great experience over the last few years.

Don't you think those who waited (or bought Droids) would have switched if they could have? If you can't use the iPhone as a phone, its kinda pointless isn't it?
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This is lame. Come on Daniel, you are taking an analyst's word about Verizon and the iphone?

I mean, come on, you derided people for saying that here:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/0...ng-to-verizon/

Prepare however, of course, for me to bring that link back up to your attention if the CDMA iphone comes out. Because, as you said:

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There is no chance of an iPhone for Verizon.
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Apple can keep everybody happy.

iPhone 4 for Verizon at beginning of year.

No need to hurry next version. Everybody seems to be happy so far with the new upgrade.

Everyone can wait a while longer while LTE gets better footing. By then Apple will have the dual core model ready for iphone 5.

That, and their version of the Cloud will be established by then. Google seems to be going a little backwards recently. And nobody else seems to be gaining ground on them.

Everybody will stay happy.
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This is lame. Come on Daniel, you are taking an analyst's word about Verizon and the iphone?

I mean, come on, you derided people for saying that here:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/0...ng-to-verizon/

Prepare however, of course, for me to bring that link back up to your attention if the CDMA iphone comes out. Because, as you said:

That's an opinion from April of 2009 refuting claims that an Verizon iPhone was just around the corner. What Dan wrote back then has been correct for the past two years. He also said back then that rumors of talks wouldn't amount to anything "within the next couple years," meaning that an iPhone on Verizon in early 2011 could be possible.

Again, you are a searching hard for something Dan's *ever* been wrong about across years of making (sometimes rather edgy) predictions. Shame on you and your context-free accusations.

How many years now have you been wrong about Verizon delivering an iPhone?
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I paid Verizon $210 to get out of my contract in 2007. I made the decision to jump to Att after my agency's IT group opened up the iPhone to the corporate network. I saw the iPhone as an investment in myself. To this day it remains one of the most important tools I employ for managing & growing my business and thus my career.

Agreed. I don't think people give this aspect of the iPhone enough credit. I use mine at work every day. The upgrade cost I make to the next iPhone every 18 months is a bargain to me and my productivity. Not to mention feeding my obsession with Angry Birds during my "down time"!
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That's an opinion from April of 2009 refuting claims that an Verizon iPhone was just around the corner. What Dan wrote back then has been correct for the past two years. He also said back then that rumors of talks wouldn't amount to anything "within the next couple years," meaning that an iPhone on Verizon in early 2011 could be possible.

Again, you are a searching hard for something Dan's *ever* been wrong about across years of making (sometimes rather edgy) predictions. Shame on you and your context-free accusations.

How many years now have you been wrong about Verizon delivering an iPhone?

Hey Archos, what part of:

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There is no chance of an iPhone for Verizon.

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What good is it to develop a secondary, parallel development of the iPhone to gain a standing in front of 80 million potential new customers when you lose your existing partner currently promoting the iPhone to 80 million existing customers as well as sucking the life from Sprint and syphoning the cream off the top of Verizon?

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Why would Apple halve its telephony development efforts to cater to a tiny demographic of the world currently attached to a dead end mobile phone technology?

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CDMA/EVDO will essentially be dead in just two years, as far as data-rich smartphones go.

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It would be ridiculous for Apple to spend a year developing an EVDO mobile stack so that it could offer potential AT&T switchers a lazier alternative for another year before everyone began wanting a mobile device faster than EVDO or today’s UMTS can deliver.

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But LTE is still years away from being built out, and between now and then, there is no reason to build a CDMA/EVDO phone when Apple’s efforts can be used elsewhere and the exclusively-AT&T iPhone can instead to prove that Apple’s product is so good that people are paying extra and making do with AT&T’s still-under-construction network just to get it.

do you not understand? Your quote

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If there were any possibility for Apple to be in even “high level talks” with Verizon, it would not have anything to do with the iPhone appearing on Verizon’s network within the next couple years.

Again, you cherry picked, then made it seem like he has an out. He doesn't. The vast majority of the article goes point by point why a CDMA phone will never happen.

Seems your only 13 posts on this forum are trying to prove your boy right.
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... I'm hoping they just move up to a 6-month refresh cycle to combat the frequent Android releases. Sure, the upgrades would be less substantial, but it would keep their hardware on the cutting edge, which is where they want and need to be...

Wrong. The hardware is just an empty frame. It's just the box that the software comes in. And software, as we all know, is Google's greatest weakness (and Microsoft's greatest weakness as well, for that matter.)

Software + Hardware = User Experience. The great user experience is Apple's greatest strength, because for them it's greater than the sum of its parts. So let the copycats try to be different and better. It costs them because every year they'll be forced back to the drawing board when Apple does a major new iPhone release.

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it would keep their hardware on the cutting edge, which is where they want and need to be.

Yes, because it's always possible to sell more than every phone you can possibly make.

Sheesh... the logic demonstrated in these forums is just breathtaking
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Unlike when you buy the latest and greatest Android phone only to see it eclipsed by the next latest and greatest Android phone 15 minutes later?

Why would anyone feel "film flamed" just because Apple brings out a new phone 6 months after you bought one? That's actually relatively slow for the phone industry, and almost anyone is going to spend at least a year of their two year contact with last year's phone. I think most consumers are pretty aware of how that works.

I am still using the iPhone 2G and don't feel like I have an underperforming phone. Will probably upgrade with iPhone 5 mostly due to battery life decreasing.
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Don't you think those who waited (or bought Droids) would have switched if they could have? If you can't use the iPhone as a phone, its kinda pointless isn't it?

I've had my iPhone for three and a half years. Not once have I used it as a phone. Not pointless. Don't regret it.

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I dunno, I'm not sure that Big V will get that much of a bump when iPhone comes along. People outside SF actually get pretty good coverage with ATT and are unlikely to leave wether due to contract terms or simply due to hassle it takes to go through the process. Maybe a 10% of iPhone users will leave ATT in the short term.
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Originally Posted by noexpectations View Post

2007 Verizon will sell the iPhone
2008 Verizon will sell the iPhone
2009 Verizon will sell the iPhone
2010 Verizon will sell the iPhone
2011 Verizon will sell the iPhone

Eventually, a broken clock is 'correct' twice a day.

I feel sorry for all those who continue to wait based on these rumors. You missed out on a great experience over the last few years.

I can live with what-ever phone I have. I just hate answering the phone mostly, unless it's a friend and not work. I do however know three people who will definitely buy one when it hits Verizon. Me being one of them.

However, after 5:00pm I don't want to look at my phone... I'm apparently in the vast minority.
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I've had my iPhone for three and a half years. Not once have I used it as a phone. Not pointless. Don't regret it.

Buy an iPod touch. Trust me, you apparently won't notice a difference.
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Buy an iPod touch. Trust me, you apparently won't notice a difference.

I have assume there is an implied use of cellular data in his post, which excludes using an iPod Touch.
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Given his track record, if Wu said it then it is not true. Verizon is never getting the iPhone and sn't really bugged about it. Cause ya know, Android is the bomb

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Buy an iPod touch. Trust me, you apparently won't notice a difference.

I have one, too. I notice I can't set alarms on it or take pictures, among other things.

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I have assume there is an implied use of cellular data in his post, which excludes using an iPod Touch.

Nope, no telephony plan of any sort. Just an iPhone-without-the-phone.

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I'm still waiting for the Verizon tv Christmas ads of the Land of Misfit Toys?!

Kiss the Apple Ring oh Verizon, Kiss the Apple Ring... Jobs commands you!

Keep in mind the ad never disses the iphone. Just the carrier it's on.
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