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post #41 of 91
12/27/10 at 1:16pm
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post #42 of 91
12/27/10 at 1:38pm
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Ohne die Scheißegeist, bitte

Sorry... It just seems to fit! I got tired of hearing "race to the bottom"!
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post #43 of 91
12/27/10 at 2:05pm
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You are so right! I am always amazed that car radios are so pathetic. The whole car "entertainment system" is lame in most cars. Even luxury cars have clumsy GUIs.

Apple could make a huge improvements the whole car experience. Imagine an Apple interface in your car. You know it would be so simple to use and yet do all the things you want (well, after drawn out updates dripped to you). But you know it would be great.

Had I lots of free time and a decent soldering iron, I'd make sure the next generation of cars had options for a snap-in space that could accommodate an iPad or iPhone where most cars have that big screen that can't ever do anything different than what it was born doing.

Oh, and I can't fab for beans, the soldering iron would only be to fend off the violent hoards of engineers who would be redundant after this happens.

Dashboard GUI made loads of advances until they started getting more complicated than a pushbutton radio. And that includes the Lexi with the Very Important Knobby Thing on the bottom of the center console. You know, the place where everything spills. Did the hermetically sealed keys on Saabs teach them nothing?
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post #44 of 91
12/27/10 at 2:09pm
Self-Reliance is an essay written by American Transcendentalist philosopher and essayist, in it is one of Ralph Waldo Emerson's most famous quotes, "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
Only Apple seems to be able to break out of the foolish consistency that other companies follow. That's what makes Apple products so interesting, and why spotting the little minds is so obvious.
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post #45 of 91
12/27/10 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by techno View Post

You are so right! I am always amazed that car radios are so pathetic. The whole car "entertainment system" is lame in most cars. Even luxury cars have clumsy GUIs.

Apple could make a huge improvements the whole car experience. Imagine an Apple interface in your car. You know it would be so simple to use and yet do all the things you want (well, after drawn out updates dripped to you). But you know it would be great.

Apple could redesign just about every interface out there for sure. They are the only company that 'gets it'. Hell, even my Microwave is as unintuitive as a Windows PC.
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post #46 of 91
12/27/10 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post

Well I think RIM is lying about the Playbook.. I don't think it can do what they say it can do.

;-)

That alleged comment is strictly for the RIM shareholders
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post #47 of 91
12/27/10 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Apparently five years is magic.

I was just in Borders in downtown Boston (stranded here by the blizzard). I saw fourteen different Apple product magazines (iPad, iPhone, Apps and Macs) and just two PC related ones on the computer magazine shelf. I was quite shocked to be honest as I haven't even looked at the magazine shelf in years but wow, that sure tells a story about Apple's Magic going main stream!
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post #48 of 91
12/27/10 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

I was just in Borders in downtown Boston (stranded here by the blizzard). I saw fourteen different Apple product magazines (iPad, iPhone, Apps and Macs) and just two PC related ones on the computer magazine shelf. I was quite shocked to be honest as I haven't even looked at the magazine shelf in years but wow, that sure tells a story about Apple's Magic going main stream!

Wow! Times have changed.
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post #49 of 91
12/27/10 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

I agree with almost all of this.

What a lot of the players in this game also don't seem to realise is that it's a new *platform* we are talking about, not just particular devices. Even if the playbook has good performance, irons out all the glitches in their new OS and comes out on time (all highly improbable actually), they still have to very rapidly build a huge following to even compete with the iOS platform.

WebOS is the perfect example in that it's already available, and already competitive feature wise with iPhone. It's far better for the average user than the mess that is Blackberry or Android, far easier to use, responsive, innovative, attractive, etc. etc. ... but it still fails (at least so far) to get any traction against iOS. For any of these OS vendors to even get in the game, they need to attract and energise a huge following for their platform devices.

Palm had the advantage of putting out a more fully formed product in terms of an OS before Google with Android. It was nothing short of a miracle considering how long it took Google and Microsoft to do the same thing. The problem was that Palm as a company was in a terrible state...not unlike Apple in 1996-1997. With limited budget, they put most of their efforts in the software on the assumption that they still had enough expertise to do a decent piece of hardware since they had been doing that side of the business for a very long time. It was a good business decision but the execution for the hardware wasn't enough to compete with the iPhone or even decent Blackberry form factors. Combine that with a developer program that wasn't ready early and a carrier (Sprint) in nearly as much trouble as they were quickly led to Palm losing whatever momentum and goodwill that they had on launch. Battling Apple over iTunes access was a needless sideshow. And when Android phones got quickly better, that pretty much killed off any reason to get a Palm phone as an alternative to iPhone.
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post #50 of 91
12/27/10 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by techno View Post

You are so right! I am always amazed that car radios are so pathetic. The whole car "entertainment system" is lame in most cars. Even luxury cars have clumsy GUIs.

Apple could make a huge improvements the whole car experience. Imagine an Apple interface in your car. You know it would be so simple to use and yet do all the things you want (well, after drawn out updates dripped to you). But you know it would be great.

Umm..no. Maybe for the car radio, GPS and HVAC system, but not an interface for the driving itself. When you have a bug on a computer, you reboot. When you have a bug in a car, you can be seriously injured. It's very dangerous to change the UI of a car. Everyone has to be able to walk into any car and drive it safely. That's why Consumer Reports (not that I like them) has always been opposed to new models which change the position of shifters, wipers, etc. Do you want Steve telling you that you have to "drive it like this"?

But I will admit that the electronics industry does need serious help. Just look at the user guide to any A/V Receiver. And then look at postings boards where even the nerds and techies can't figure out what's going on. The other problem is that the electronics industry is putting redundant functionality in Blu-ray players, A/V receivers and in the TVs themselves. So there's Ethernet and/or WiFi access in all three. So either you can access NetFlix in all three places or one service only links to one and another service only links to another. (And AppleTV links to none). And unlike Apple, the industry pretty much refuses to give up legacy inputs/outputs so every receiver still has multiple composite, S-video, component and HDMI video inputs because they're too afraid to get rid of any inputs.

This makes no sense. But an Apple approach would simplify the whole thing and make it easier to use, but would probably reduce audio/video quality and flexibility in the name of simplicity.
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post #51 of 91
12/27/10 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

I was just in Borders in downtown Boston (stranded here by the blizzard). I saw fourteen different Apple product magazines (iPad, iPhone, Apps and Macs) and just two PC related ones on the computer magazine shelf. I was quite shocked to be honest as I haven't even looked at the magazine shelf in years but wow, that sure tells a story about Apple's Magic going main stream!

Amazing observation, digitalclips....I remember looking at the magazine rack years ago, too and saw the plethora of PC magazines...

The one thing that struck me back then was most of the covers said things like..."88 fixes to your PC!" "Speed up your PC" "How to recover your data on a PC! and on and on. No joke!

Back then I was going to take the last 24 covers of PCWorld and see how many had major "Fix-it" type titles like the above....but I was too busy!

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post #52 of 91
12/27/10 at 4:07pm
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Had I lots of free time and a decent soldering iron, I'd make sure the next generation of cars had options for a snap-in space that could accommodate an iPad or iPhone where most cars have that big screen that can't ever do anything different than what it was born doing.

Oh, and I can't fab for beans, the soldering iron would only be to fend off the violent hoards of engineers who would be redundant after this happens.

Dashboard GUI made loads of advances until they started getting more complicated than a pushbutton radio. And that includes the Lexi with the Very Important Knobby Thing on the bottom of the center console. You know, the place where everything spills. Did the hermetically sealed keys on Saabs teach them nothing?

Good ideas...jpell, but I must have spent a $100 just on three different docks for my iPhone 1, 2 for the 3Gs and now the iPhone 4's shape. I decided not buy a dock for the iPhone 4. But I fear it will be similar with the iPad....The second gen iPad will no doubt, be thinner....

But I would rather have an iPad on the center console than any of the current screens. I was looking to replace my Jag XK8 a couple of years ago and the $90,000 car's BT could not handle an iPhone. Unbelievable. May have changed now though.

PS. I vaguely remember a Ferrari, sans a radio, but had a dock where you placed an iPod Touch horizontally which acted as the car's audio system.

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post #53 of 91
12/27/10 at 4:14pm
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Good ideas...jpell, but I must have spent a $100 just on three different docks for my iPhone 1, 2 for the 3Gs and now the iPhone 4's shape. I decided not buy a dock for the iPhone 4.

FYI: The original iPhone has the benefit of being usable with the iPhone 4.
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post #54 of 91
12/27/10 at 4:25pm
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FYI: The original iPhone has the benefit of being usable with the iPhone 4.

Thanks Solip...but when I sold my original iPhone, I included the dock! Drats!

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post #55 of 91
12/27/10 at 4:43pm
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If only AI had noted it was not a verified fact, like, by starting off the article with the word "alleged"¡

It's a verified fact that it was a comment by someonez in the internetz. Not a "report".

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It's great how you keep your mouth shut about AI's reporting when they mention negative rumoura about Apple.

Spare me with your fanboyism. It stinks like hell. I'll keep my "mouth" shut whenever I please, thank you very much.

What a twat.
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post #56 of 91
12/27/10 at 5:11pm
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Had I lots of free time and a decent soldering iron, I'd make sure the next generation of cars had options for a snap-in space that could accommodate an iPad or iPhone where most cars have that big screen that can't ever do anything different than what it was born doing.

Oh, and I can't fab for beans, the soldering iron would only be to fend off the violent hoards of engineers who would be redundant after this happens.

Dashboard GUI made loads of advances until they started getting more complicated than a pushbutton radio. And that includes the Lexi with the Very Important Knobby Thing on the bottom of the center console. You know, the place where everything spills. Did the hermetically sealed keys on Saabs teach them nothing?

Check out the touchscreen on the Tesla Model S. I wish they would just use an iPad.
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post #57 of 91
12/27/10 at 5:38pm
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RIM may not be lying about what they THINK the Playbook can do. The key for the Playbook is how it does what they say (or THINK) it does. If it isn't easy, intuitive and productive, it will fail.

It depends on what you mean by 'can do'

If you are talk in about running Flash and having a camera etc then yes it can

If you mean knock the iPad out of the corporate market time will tell
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post #58 of 91
12/27/10 at 5:54pm
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Since the iPad was a revolutionary form factor for a tablet,

Interesting, because I see more evolutiontary, especially after seeing the iPhone. As I recall Jobs said they released the iPhone/touch first to get folks warmed up to the idea of carrying a mobile device with them all the time. Making it big and a little more computer like was a natural step.

The revolution was merely that iPhone had the cajones to release anything which was so different from the norm. Jobs still gets flack over his 'the only stylus you need is your finger' comments.

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I believe that the earliest the PlayBook can be released in any reasonable quantity and stage of completion is Jul 2011

I don't know, depending on how far along, it could be earlier.

That said unless it is Jan/Feb I agree that they could find themselves trumped by iPad 2.0. Especially since it is possible that Apple could announce and release within days of each other, depending on the internals and required approvals. And the folks currently using iPads in their businesses will likely wait to see what 2.0 looks like before they jump over, so any one else will have to be pretty amazing and preferably cheaper to change that tide
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post #59 of 91
12/27/10 at 6:06pm
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Nobody really buys Blackberries anymore.

MBA's love them.
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post #60 of 91
12/27/10 at 6:33pm
Of course RIM will be saying their PlayBook will be better than the iPad. They're in denial, but the truth is it's gonna be another HP Slate 500 - sell a few to businesses, not customers, they need to aim at customers, that's how Apple did it.

I'm a tablet person, I know a lot on it. The Apple iPad is REVOLUTIONARY, it changed the entire market, if RIM thinks they could throw some stamps on their device they are sadly mistaken, they are gonna try to follow the iPad but sadly fail. The Samsung Galaxy Tab probably will have 10x the number of sales! RIM doesn't have a prayer.

Their best bet is to announce their device is vaporware and drop out. They can't compete, I know the PlayBook would have horrid battery life, it will be buggy, and not provide a nice interface like the iPad. These people say apps are a fad, are they stupid?

RIM is probably gonna be bought out by Apple in 2 years to use as a testing place.
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post #61 of 91
12/27/10 at 6:35pm
It would be quite something if they revealed iPad 2.0 with 2048*1536 resolution, but it seems a bit premature . Now that would be awesome. Perhaps around 2013...
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post #62 of 91
12/27/10 at 8:02pm
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MBA's love them.

MacBook Airs love BlackBerries?
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post #63 of 91
12/27/10 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

A decade from now iPads will be everywhere and will totally reshape personal computing.

It's going to be a lot quicker than that. Two to three years, tops. Esp. if Apple keeps the current model and drops the price $100 - that will put a 16GB WiFi at $400...
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post #64 of 91
12/27/10 at 8:18pm
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Umm..no. Maybe for the car radio, GPS and HVAC system, but not an interface for the driving itself. When you have a bug on a computer, you reboot. When you have a bug in a car, you can be seriously injured. It's very dangerous to change the UI of a car. Everyone has to be able to walk into any car and drive it safely. That's why Consumer Reports (not that I like them) has always been opposed to new models which change the position of shifters, wipers, etc. Do you want Steve telling you that you have to "drive it like this"?

But I will admit that the electronics industry does need serious help. Just look at the user guide to any A/V Receiver. And then look at postings boards where even the nerds and techies can't figure out what's going on. The other problem is that the electronics industry is putting redundant functionality in Blu-ray players, A/V receivers and in the TVs themselves. So there's Ethernet and/or WiFi access in all three. So either you can access NetFlix in all three places or one service only links to one and another service only links to another. (And AppleTV links to none). And unlike Apple, the industry pretty much refuses to give up legacy inputs/outputs so every receiver still has multiple composite, S-video, component and HDMI video inputs because they're too afraid to get rid of any inputs.

This makes no sense. But an Apple approach would simplify the whole thing and make it easier to use, but would probably reduce audio/video quality and flexibility in the name of simplicity.

With all due respect, your view is very limited to the "new adopter" thought. Especially on your view of A/V Receivers. Over the X-mas holidays I had to tell one person that they needed to either upgrade their TV, get a switcher, or get a receiver. When asked what the best 'bang for their buck' would be I said get a receiver. There are people out there who are JUST buying a PSP3 and have an old TV. I also had to tell someone (else) to get a receiver because their TV wouldn't support an ATV2. Everyone thinks people buy the newest thing out, but they don't. A/V suppliers cater to the least common denominator... across the board. All of these different mfgs are trying to appeal to the masses by giving them the most connectivity for their dollar.
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post #65 of 91
12/27/10 at 8:22pm
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You are so right! I am always amazed that car radios are so pathetic. The whole car "entertainment system" is lame in most cars. Even luxury cars have clumsy GUIs.

My parents have a 2010 Lexus and I must say, the navigation system in it - while the look of the software is very plain, it does have a very good controller. It's kind of a mouse/joystick, but the most interesting thing is it's servo controlled - when you get near an on screen button or control, the controller "clicks" into place (to be clear, the click is physical - the controller provides force feedback - it's not an audio or visual effect). It's very intuitive and helps dramatically in selecting things on screen. It's easily the easiest of the car based systems I have used to control - very fluid and quick with the selection of things on screen.

Of course, Toyota in their infinite wisdom doesn't let you do anything with the nav system while the car is in motion - even if you have a passenger, so the damn thing is impossible to update while you are on the move - but the controller is pretty cool even if the rest of the system is pretty lame and almost useless for most tasks you would want from a GPS while driving around.
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post #66 of 91
12/27/10 at 8:47pm
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One thing about the new Playbook....RIM may think they have a nice product to compete with Apple. The problem I see happening is them competing with last year's iPad. RIM is pining its hopes on the new dual-core ARM technology, which frankly everybody is going to be doing in 2011. What nobody knows right now is what Apple's technology buys in the chipmaking development space is going to do for the next generation A4. Oh sure we expect multi-cores, but what else can Apple do that will be exclusive to them? Time will tell.

Bingo. People seem to forget that with things like the A4 and Apple's battery designs, other companies simply can't go pull the same parts off the shelf and at least release something that physically looks like Apple's products (witness the redirection trying to tell us that "no, no - you really wan't a 7" tablet after all!")

With each generation, Apple should be able to widen the gap as they roll their previous experience into their new custom designs. Combine that with the obvious extraordinary vision they displayed with the first iPhone and if anything I'd say Job's was being modest in his assertion Apple is five years ahead of everyone else.

I think it's exciting to see a company with an excellent vision and a focus on the end user experience (not just slaving to endless feature lists) executing so well - I do believe the iPad and future iOS devices are finally realizing the "Computers for the rest of us" that was the motto for Apple for so long.
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post #67 of 91
12/27/10 at 9:10pm
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MBA's love them.

The square ones, maybe!

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post #68 of 91
12/27/10 at 10:01pm
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Well, its not like their claiming that it does all that much to begin with.
Definitely nothing ground breaking.

It "could" be a very valuable product for RIM. Currently it appears to be the only viable contender to iPad. Unless the android people can clean up their mess I don't ever see Android being viable competion. Likewise with MS.

RIMs biggest problem is getting a native SDK out the door ASAP. They could become Apples Bigest competition.
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post #69 of 91
12/27/10 at 10:06pm
I remember laughing my ass off every time I saw one the iPhone commercials back in 07. Not because it was a bad product ( I'm still using my first gen iPhone ), but because Jobs had finally proved what most all of us die hard Mac freaks had known for so long, that Apple was one of the few true innovators out there and a good decade ahead of the pack. I knew RIM and MS had to be shitting their pants back then.... and probably even now since they only understand how to copy technology... not create it. I got my first iPad as a Christmas gift..... and holy crap.... no ad can do it justice. This thing is amazing..... Unlike with the iPhone which I immediately recognized as so far beyond what was already in the marketplace.... I saw potential with the iPad... but didn't quite get it until a couple days ago. LOL... Now I can't image life without this amazing dude.

Cudos to Jobs and Apple.... they are so far beyond MS, RIM and Motorola that it amazes the hell out of me at times.
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12/27/10 at 10:30pm
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Originally Posted by perfectpete216 View Post

Of course RIM will be saying their PlayBook will be better than the iPad. They're in denial, but the truth is it's gonna be another HP Slate 500 - sell a few to businesses, not customers, they need to aim at customers, that's how Apple did it.

I'm a tablet person, I know a lot on it. The Apple iPad is REVOLUTIONARY, it changed the entire market, if RIM thinks they could throw some stamps on their device they are sadly mistaken, they are gonna try to follow the iPad but sadly fail. The Samsung Galaxy Tab probably will have 10x the number of sales! RIM doesn't have a prayer.

Their best bet is to announce their device is vaporware and drop out. They can't compete, I know the PlayBook would have horrid battery life, it will be buggy, and not provide a nice interface like the iPad. These people say apps are a fad, are they stupid?

RIM is probably gonna be bought out by Apple in 2 years to use as a testing place.

No... not by Apple but by Microsoft. Surprised no one has posted that yet. RIM wont survive the next 2 years.(Period)
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post #71 of 91
12/27/10 at 11:01pm
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Originally Posted by techno View Post

You are so right! I am always amazed that car radios are so pathetic. The whole car "entertainment system" is lame in most cars. Even luxury cars have clumsy GUIs.

Apple could make a huge improvements the whole car experience. Imagine an Apple interface in your car. You know it would be so simple to use and yet do all the things you want (well, after drawn out updates dripped to you). But you know it would be great.

Apple is working on this.
In car entertainment will use a 7" screen.
Apple wants to be in your pocket, in your living room and in your car.
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post #72 of 91
12/27/10 at 11:08pm
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Originally Posted by LuisDias View Post

It would be quite something if they revealed iPad 2.0 with 2048*1536 resolution, but it seems a bit premature . Now that would be awesome. Perhaps around 2013...

Not going to happen. HD is only 1920x1080.
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12/27/10 at 11:14pm
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Originally Posted by jpellino View Post

Had I lots of free time and a decent soldering iron, I'd make sure the next generation of cars had options for a snap-in space that could accommodate an iPad or iPhone where most cars have that big screen that can't ever do anything different than what it was born doing.

This iPhone is too small.
This iPad is too big.
This 7" iDevice is just right!
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12/28/10 at 1:36am
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

Apple is working on this.
In car entertainment will use a 7" screen.
Apple wants to be in your pocket, in your living room and in your car.

The last time I looked, a built-in in-car entertainment system cost $1,000-$2,000.

For that same price (or less) you can get several iPads (front and back passengers).

The iPads are more flexible, easier to use -- with the added advantage that when you get to your destination(s), you can take your iPads with you: motel room. game, hiking, office, beach, etc.

I don't know why the 7" screen would be an advantage unless dashboard space is the major consideration.
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post #75 of 91
12/28/10 at 7:49am
I remember well my reactions both to seeing the BlackBerry in 2004, and the iPhone in 2007...

BlackBerry: It looks like a cell phone that does email
iPhone: It looks like a touchscreen computer that's a cell phone

The idea of a cell phone that does email didn't really appeal to me because I really hated cell phones. The comment I had about cell phones at the time was: "you get charged for something every time you press a damn button on them".

Plus, with all of the custom-designed hardware and every generation of cell phone having a totally different hardware and software interface -- yuck! Talk about disposable technology at it's poorly-designed worst... just throw together whatever's the cheapest 3rd party hardware and software at the time and call it the latest and greatest phone.

However, the idea of having a computer in your pocket excited me because the possibilities are endless with a computer (assuming it's designed in such a way that it's extensible -- which the iPhone was for the most part). Plus you don't get charged per button press at a computer.

That's the point that RIM has always missing -- the fact that you need to design something beyond the feature checklist comparison table. I honestly don't think that RIM has the expertise capable of creating technology that will live beyond the 2 - 3 year lifespan that cell phones tend to have. At least, I haven't seen anything from them yet that would indicate differently...

Apple already had decades of experience with that in the PC world, so it makes sense that they'd carry it into the cell phone world (especially now that cell phones are more like PCs).
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12/28/10 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

The original iPhone was announced Jan 9, 2007 -- it included live demos, specs pricing and availability announcement,

The original iPhone was released, on schedule, Jun 29, 2007.

In the keynote, Steve said that Apple had been working on it for 2 1/2 years -- that means that work goes back to at least Jul 2004.

Recently, Steve said the original concept was for a Tablet -- but they decided, at some point, to do the iPhone first.


So, RIM has been unable to successfully copy the iPhone after 4 years of seeing a live demo -- unless they release something before Jan 9, 2011.


RIM acquired QNX in Apr 9, 2010 -- so we can assume that they recognized a need (for a smartphone OS) and began to look for a solution, say, Jul 2008.


The iPad was announced Jan 27, 2010 and began shipping Apr 3, 2010.

Since the iPad was a revolutionary form factor for a Tablet -- it is reasonable to assume that RIM, and others, could not have begun aan iPad knock-off design before Jan 27, 2010 or Apr 3, 2010.

We can assume, that RIM immediately repurposed their QNX purchase to work on the PlayBook (instead of a replacement for BlackBerry OS). But, because of a lack of apps, RIM chose to use AIR (Flash) and overpowered hardware to compensate for the RAM/Performance issues of Flash.

The PlayBook was announced on Sep 27, 2010 (but not shown) with partial specs and abstract videos (No Price, No Release Date, No Battery Specs, No Infrastructure).

The PlayBook was first demo'd on Oct 25, 2010 (No Price, No Release Date, No Battery Specs, No Infrastructure).

As of today, the PlayBook specs include: (No Price, No Release Date, No Battery Specs, No Infrastructure).


I believe that the earliest the PlayBook can be released in any reasonable quantity and stage of completion is Jul 2011 -- with minimal apps and infrastructure (hmm.. I almost typed "infostructure" -- I kinda' like it!).


By that time we should expect that the iPad 2 will be released. I expect Feb 2011 Announce/Release for the iPad 2.


By mid 2011, there should be a plethora of knock-off "also-rans" running Android, Windows 7, WebOS, WP7 to compete with the PlayBook for the scheissegeist of the tablet marketplace.

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RIM had spent billions of $$$ on data centers to host their backend servers that blackberries require. anytime the BIS servers go down blackberries become paperweights.

the iphone doesn't need anything except push notifications. you can't build all these data centers and then tell the board of directors that it was all a waste of money
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post #77 of 91
12/28/10 at 9:07am
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The new Research In Motion (RIMM) PlayBook tablet, which will launch sometime early next year, suffers from surprisingly low battery life, Kaufman Bros. analyst Shaw Wu asserts in a research note this morning.

Wu reports that the device has a battery life of just a few hours, compared to 6 hours for the Samsung Galaxy Tab and 10 hours for the Apple (AAPL) iPad.

http://blogs.forbes.com/ericsavitz/2...rtner=yahootix
"So at the end of the presentation, Steve came up to me and said: Is the iPhone worth criticizing? And I said: Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you’ll rule the world."
– Alan Kay –
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"So at the end of the presentation, Steve came up to me and said: Is the iPhone worth criticizing? And I said: Make the screen five inches by eight inches, and you’ll rule the world."
– Alan Kay –
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post #78 of 91
12/28/10 at 9:13am
@ stottm

You are 100% right my friend.
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post #79 of 91
12/28/10 at 9:31am
edit: Doh! Pipped by Dick Applebaum.
Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
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Dick Applebaum on whether the iPad is a personal computer: "BTW, I am posting this from my iPad pc while sitting on the throne... personal enough for you?"
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post #80 of 91
12/28/10 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by timfucius View Post

Nobody really buys Blackberries anymore. They're usually given one and they're stuck with it.

I hate my BB Torch.

Teens buy them for BBM.

The law of unintended consequences.
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