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Samsung, the world's second largest mobile manufacturer, intends to release a media player device aimed at Apple's iPod touch, and says it will unveil the new Galaxy Player at CES.

The new music player will be based on the company's popular Galaxy S smartphone, without its mobile phone capabilities, and will run Google's Android OS 2.2 Froyo. It will include a front facing VGA camera, a rear 3.2 megapixel camera, and come in 8, 16, and 32GB versions, according to the Samsung Hub fanblog.

While a variety of Android licensees have made popular phones, Samsung is currently the only one that has produced a tablet device (the Galaxy Tab) that has sold in significant numbers. There are no popular media player devices using Android.

As one the largest manufacturers of appliances, phones, and electronic components and the number one producer of flat panel televisions, LCDs and memory chips, Samsung is the most powerful contender to ever attempt to muscle into Apple's iPod business.

Top software maker Microsoft and former consumer electronics king Sony both tried, and failed, to compete with Apple's iPod line, in both solo efforts and as part of Microsoft's PlaysForSure licensing program. Samsung hopes to ride the wave of Android apps, copying Apple's strategy of shoring up the iPhone platform by selling a music player that is almost functionally identical apart from not making mobile phone calls.



May be harder than expected

Like Sony and Microsoft, Samsung might find Apple more difficult to compete against than it expects. For starters, Samsung has no real following of basic music players as Apple had prior to launching the iPod touch. Samsung also lacks Apple's boutique retail presence and brand cachet.

Samsung also lacks a music marketplace similar to iTunes; it relies upon Google's mostly ad supported Android Market for all its third party software, which doesn't come close to the selection and quality of Apple's iOS App Store and doesn't even attempt to offer music, movies, and other popular media content.

Samsung's hardware has also historically been limited by the software it runs. Many of the complaints aimed at the company's Galaxy Tab are issues with its Android OS, which is not really designed to run tablet devices. The company's previous products have also been hampered by flawed software, ranging from the Q1 UMPC running Microsoft's Windows XP Tablet to the BlackJack smartphone running Microsoft's Windows Mobile.

Last winter, Samsung announced its own software platform named Bada, which was widely perceived to be a hedge bet against Android. The company launched its first Bada phone in Europe under the name Samsung Wave S8500 this summer, and sold a million units in the first month. The new platform now offers a catalog of apps similar in scope to Microsoft's Windows Phone 7.

In addition to being competitors in the smartphone, tablet, and PC arenas, Samsung is also a major supplier of components for Apple. The iPod maker is the company's second largest customer after Sony, and the two have cooperated on designing and fabricating the advanced ARM processors used in both Apple's iPhone 4, iPod touch and iPad as well as Samsung's Galaxy S, Galaxy Tab and the upcoming Galaxy Player.
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I wonder if "pirate bay" is installed as an app & preconfgured?

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How can you have a music player without some automatic organizing tool like iTunes? That seems like a bit of a tall order.

On the other hand, people who love iPhone but want to explore developing for Android or at least getting to know life on the other side of the fence might find this really useful. I know John Gruber of Daring Fireball has wanted something like this for a long time, and I would consider getting one myself, too.

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Perhaps they can compete against the Zune and Nokia.
iPods, iPads, iPhones and iTunes will continue to rule the industry.

Time will tell.
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How can you have a music player without some automatic organizing tool like iTunes? That seems like a bit of a tall order.

On the other hand, people who love iPhone but want to explore developing for Android or at least getting to know life on the other side of the fence might find this really useful. I know John Gruber of Daring Fireball has wanted something like this for a long time, and I would consider getting one myself, too.

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I'm not sure Gruber has 'wanted' one as much as asking where, after all this time, one is.
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"Samsung also lacks a music marketplace similar to iTunes"

That's the killer. iTunes is the reason for iPod's success, and it has helped iPhone and now iPad enormously. Without a software infrastructure like iTunes, Samsung is sending its users back to 2001, when people manually dragged-and-dropped files to their MP3 players.

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"Samsung also lacks a music marketplace similar to iTunes"

That's the killer. iTunes is the reason for iPod's success, and it has helped iPhone and now iPad enormously. Without a software infrastructure like iTunes, Samsung is sending its users back to 2001, when people manually dragged-and-dropped files to their MP3 players.

I tink you'll find Windows Media Player and any other software which supports MTP will do the job.
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Samsung also lacks a music marketplace similar to iTunes; it relies upon Google's mostly ad supported Android Market for all its third party software, which doesn't come close to the selection and quality of Apple's iOS App Store and doesn't even attempt to offer music, movies, and other popular media content.

Research before writing, Daniel.

Samsung Media Hub
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Originally Posted by SockRolid View Post

"Samsung also lacks a music marketplace similar to iTunes"

That's the killer. iTunes is the reason for iPod's success, and it has helped iPhone and now iPad enormously. Without a software infrastructure like iTunes, Samsung is sending its users back to 2001, when people manually dragged-and-dropped files to their MP3 players.

Well, Amazon already exist and Google may come out with a music store. Microsoft and Nokia also already have music stores. I think the Apple products are simply superior. Apple may even open iTunes via their cloud initiatives to third party devices.

Google and Samsung are just trying to copy Apple but their products are not nearly as good. I think Apple is gonna wack Google big time with iADs.

Time will tell.
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"Like Sony and Microsoft, Samsung might find Apple more difficult to compete against than it expects."

Ya think? Here's one measure of it: Apple last year spent well over a billion dollars in R&D. HP was it's nearest competitor in that regard, and they spent about $400 million.
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The iPod Touch is an incredibly useful (and fun) class of device for many purposes, for those without smartphones. I cant believe it still stands alone, and I expect that any credible competitor that finally comes along will do well.

The killer feature could be that it has a GPS before the iPod does. Add cheap navigation software and a car mount/charger and you can eliminate an expensive GPS device.
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Samsung, really? I mean going against iPod touch? For REAL?
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"Like Sony and Microsoft, Samsung might find Apple more difficult to compete against than it expects."

Ya think? Here's one measure of it: Apple last year spent well over a billion dollars in R&D. HP was it's nearest competitor in that regard, and they spent about $400 million.

Where did you get the number?
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Research before writing, Daniel.

Samsung Media Hub

He probably meant worthy ones. Not hard to surmise.
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Perhaps they can compete against the Zune and Nokia.
iPods, iPads, iPhones and iTunes will continue to rule the industry.

Time will tell.

Time already shouted. These guys are just deaf.
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post #16 of 100
LOL.

I played with a Galaxy tablet at Best Buy while Christmas shopping.

If I hadden't played with a Chinese import Android tablet at Frys the Galaxy would be the biggest POS tablet ever.
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Samsung, the world's second largest mobile manufacturer, intends to release a media player device aimed at Apple's iPod touch, and says it will unveil the new Galaxy Player at CES ...

It will have to be much cheaper relative to the Galaxy S phone, than the iPod touch is relative to the iPhone for it to sell well. No one is going to pay hundreds of dollars for a crappy Android phone with the phone part removed.

The main attraction for the iPod touch is the ecosystem, (iTunes, games, etc.), which Samsung doesn't have and won't have (at least in the competitive sense), for years. To build that, this will have to be sold almost as a loss-leader, for cost or less than cost.
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LOL.

I played with a Galaxy tablet at Best Buy while Christmas shopping.

If I hadden't played with a Chinese import Android tablet at Frys the Galaxy would be the biggest POS tablet ever.

Samsung sold a lot more of those "POS" tablets than I thought they would though.
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He probably meant worthy ones. Not hard to surmise.

That's quite different than

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doesn't even attempt to offer music, movies, and other popular media content
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It will have to be much cheaper relative to the Galaxy S phone, than the iPod touch is relative to the iPhone for it to sell well. No one is going to pay hundreds of dollars for a crappy Android phone with the phone part removed.

The main attraction for the iPod touch is the ecosystem, (iTunes, games, etc.), which Samsung doesn't have and won't have (at least in the competitive sense), for years. To build that, this will have to be sold almost as a loss-leader, for cost or less than cost.

Maybe you missed the part where it says this will Android based, that takes care of the ecosystem.
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Research before writing, Daniel.

Samsung Media Hub

That link only talks of TV and movie rentals, no mention of music, which is critical for a media player. Also, their market isn't even available on ATT or Verizon and that page has many complaints of it not working for users, so their marketplace is not a credible contender.
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Where did you get the number?

Probably from their SEC filings. They're publicly traded companies, they need to report stuff like R&D in their cash flow statements.
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That link only talks of TV and movie rentals, no mention of music, which is critical for a media player. Also, their market isn't even available on ATT or Verizon and that page has many complaints of it not working for users, so their marketplace is not a credible contender.

The thing is they don't need to have their own media store or App store. This is Android based, apps and games can be had from Google Market and media from Amazon, what's already going on the phone front.
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i'll buy that for a dollar! but not a penny more.
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Probably from their SEC filings. They're publicly traded companies, they need to report stuff like R&D in their cash flow statements.

Actually, in their 10-K filing (see http://www.apple.com/investor/), they spent $1.78 Billion in R&D last year...
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Their Galaxy S phones are nice so I'd imagine their iPod Touch challenger would be very good as well. Apple hasn't had to innovate much on the iPod line lately so it would be nice to see a fire lit under them. Apple may even have to play catch-up knowing how Samsumg will attempt to out do the Touch spec-wise. Good luck to Samsung.
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Samsung sold a lot more of those "POS" tablets than I thought they would though.

It's the only real contender against the iPad and there are many people out there they wanted a tablet, but are just simply anti-Apple. This is the "only" real option those people have.

I'm just curious how many of those million Galaxy Tab's sold, have already been returned?
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Far from there being no other PMPs running Android, Archos has been using the Android OS on its top end PMPs for over a year. And these are vastly superior to anything else on the market today. Moreover, the devices can use Windows Media Player, iTunes, or any of a number of media organisers out there, making it far less restrictive than the iPod. To be unaware of these facts smacks of sloppy journalism...
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The thing is they don't need to have their own media store or App store. This is Android based, apps and games can be had from Google Market and media from Amazon, what's already going on the phone front.

Actually, it appears like they do need to have their own store.

Amazon.com has not encroached on the iTunes Store's dominance of the digital music market, despite competitive pricing.

Same thing with the Google Market: multiplatform app developers frequently report 10x more downloads from Apple's App Store, despite the relative parity in iPhones and Android-based handsets in the U.S.

The non-iTunes storefronts are there, yet they are not attracting many customers.
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Maybe you missed the part where it says this will Android based, that takes care of the ecosystem.

No, actually that was part of my point. Android just doesn't have the ecosystem. Less apps in general, fewer of them are any good, lesser games, no music or media store to speak of, etc. etc.

People pay a premium to use Apple products to get at the ecosystem. Android *has* an ecosystem, but it's just not attractive enough for anyone to pay through the nose for a media player. Thus my comment about how it should be a whole lot cheaper to survive at all, and that it should be viewed as a device to *grow* an ecosystem (a loss-leader), not as something that's desirable in and of itself at the moment.
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"Samsung also lacks a music marketplace similar to iTunes"

That's the killer. iTunes is the reason for iPod's success, and it has helped iPhone and now iPad enormously. Without a software infrastructure like iTunes, Samsung is sending its users back to 2001, when people manually dragged-and-dropped files to their MP3 players.

The kind of people who seem to like Android because they can fiddle with the settings are the same kind of people who like to drag and drop their files and have complete control. The Apple way is to sync them, which has its pros and cons I suppose.

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Why the hell would I want to go backwards?!
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The kind of people who seem to like Android because they can fiddle with the settings are the same kind of people who like to drag and drop their files and have complete control. The Apple way is to sync them, which has its pros and cons I suppose.


DoubleTwist and Winamp both offer wireless syncing. If you are already not using Itunes, there is a better chance that Winamp is probably your media management program.
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There is just no way in the world I'd change to another media player/digital content store at this point. These guys are trying to take business away from a pretty solid system... there will always be detractors, but nothing come remotely close to the iPod touch/iPhone/iPad ecosystem.

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Research before writing, Daniel.

Samsung Media Hub

"Coming Soon to AT&T and Verizon." That means it's not here yet.
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... of all the blatant iPhone/iPod clones coming from other manufacturers? I mean, this device even looks like the first generation iPhone in its design.

It may look "nice" but that's because it's a copy of a pre-existing device. I refuse to support companies that do not innovate but instead, rides on the back of a company that does.

I wish there was a way for Apple to have completely patented the design, user interface, etc. of the iPhone. Maybe then, we would see something special from other mobile phone manufactures. Sorry Samsung. If you want to impress, come up with your own ideas.
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Far from there being no other PMPs running Android, Archos has been using the Android OS on its top end PMPs for over a year. And these are vastly superior to anything else on the market today. Moreover, the devices can use Windows Media Player, iTunes, or any of a number of media organisers out there, making it far less restrictive than the iPod. To be unaware of these facts smacks of sloppy journalism...

I think the article says no successful media players. Archos is rather obscure and certainly isn't threatening Apple's iPod business.
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That's quite different than

That's because you're taking one quote out of context from the article (about Google's Android Market, which offers no media downloads) and are comparing it to comments about Samsung's own "coming soon" media market, which was not addressed in the article.

Why would you do that unless you're a troll?
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"Coming Soon to AT&T and Verizon." That means it's not here yet.

Also says "Available with T-Mobile and Sprint." The software exists, so the the non availability on devices on ATT and Verizon networks is probably carrier shenanigans.
Since we are talking about devices without a phone radio, arguing over on what carriers it is available is silly.
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DoubleTwist and Winamp both offer wireless syncing. If you are already not using Itunes, there is a better chance that Winamp is probably your media management program.

There is also a really good chance that you would be a Windows loving, Apple hating, Android fan boy.

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