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My hope is Verizon will have some special deal for current FiOs clients to tempt us away from AT&T.
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post #42 of 75
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The only way for Apple to rise above all this is for them to pony up and buy a phone company. Isn't that what Apple does anyway? They study or partner with the best of the best (in this case, the worst of the worst) then beat them at their own game. C'mon, already Steve! Buy Sprint+T-mobile+a chinese phone company... or something.

No.

Apple considers mobile operators as dumb pipes. So should you.

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Mobile operators and ISPs should be just big dumb pipes.

They already are.
post #43 of 75
The marketing machine is firing on all eight cylinders. All these rumors are just adding more furry to the stories and curiosity generated by different news agencies, anonymous sources, and whatever.
I'm impressed at how well Apple can pull this off.
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Are you talking about the cellphone or her?

I will let you find your own answer.

Good luck, sonny.

You definitely need it.
post #45 of 75
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Yes there will be an event by valentine's Day, but it will be for a Verizon Compatible iPad. I never understood why everyone said the iPhone was coming.

I am inclined to agree, sort of. I think they will do one better and release one 'cellular' iPad with both CDMA and GSM. Although truly what I wish is that prices could come down enough that they did only one lineup with say the 16gb wifi only for schools and the little kiddies and then a 32, 64, and 128 with all 3 connections. Unlocked and no contracts. The pressure of a choice might drop AT&Ts prices and even perhaps bring back the unlimited plan

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post #46 of 75
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I'm not so sure about this.

If the iPhone stays on 3G frequencies until the iPhone 5 is released and other smartphones on Verizon utilize the LTE frequencies, there may be less impact than anticipated... at least until the LTE iPhone is released next June/July.

Time will tell.

LTE will be very limited through 2011 on Verizon. If they do not put caps on the iPhone data they will be quickly overwhelmed as people who have waited to physically dump their Android devices. Android has been just a fill in a vacuum. The next sucking sound will be within Android going to iPhone. I will switch from Android to iPhone as soon as my contract is up, that's for damn sure. I am tired of my phone locking up, having to reboot and getting it replaced 4 times, while my GF's iPhone works perfectly all the time.
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LTE will be very limited through 2011 on Verizon. If they do not put caps on the iPhone data they will be quickly overwhelmed as people who have waited to physically dump their Android devices. Android has been just a fill in a vacuum. The next sucking sound will be within Android going to iPhone. I will switch from Android to iPhone as soon as my contract is up, that's for damn sure. I am tired of my phone locking up, having to reboot and getting it replaced 4 times, while my GF's iPhone works perfectly all the time.

But what about all the openness, freedom and Full Flash Internet you currently enjoy with Android?
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I will let you find your own answer.

Good luck, sonny.

You definitely need it.

What I need is to get out of Asia. Pity the developed country economies are sh1te at the moment.
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LTE will be very limited through 2011 on Verizon. If they do not put caps on the iPhone data they will be quickly overwhelmed as people who have waited to physically dump their Android devices. Android has been just a fill in a vacuum. The next sucking sound will be within Android going to iPhone. I will switch from Android to iPhone as soon as my contract is up, that's for damn sure. I am tired of my phone locking up, having to reboot and getting it replaced 4 times, while my GF's iPhone works perfectly all the time.

I bet Verizon is really nervous. In fact, I think they had to wait until 2011 for iPhone and iPad because they were worried their network couldn't handle it and they could not risk having any embarrassing ATT-like service issues.
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But what about all the openness, freedom and Full Flash Internet you currently enjoy with Android?

And botnets, viruses, trogens and everything else coming out of Russia and China, through a market that is uncontrolled.
post #51 of 75
What VZ iPhone? Oh, you mean the one that won't be coming until 2012?

Does anyone remember that pesky 5-year exclusivity contract? I'll believe a VZ iPhone when I see it for sale in an actual VZ store. In order to have Apple release an iPhone in the US for anyone but ATT, one of the following would have to be the case:

1. Apple & ATT have renegotiated the contract to only last 4 years; no evidence of that.
2. Apple makes a special unit for VZ that's not an "iPhone", thereby not subject to the contract.
3. Apple makes a CDMA iPhone and claims "it's not the same thing"; not a smart idea.
4. Apple simply violates the contract and gives the finger to ATT - "sosumi"; really dumb idea.
5. Apple waits for the contract to end in 2012 and ships a VZ iPhone then; what will really happen.

Apple will probably announce an EVDO version of the iPad for VZ in early 2011.

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I bet Verizon is really nervous. In fact, I think they had to wait until 2011 for iPhone and iPad because they were worried their network couldn't handle it and they could not risk having any embarrassing ATT-like service issues.

I think Verizon would have given both nuts, or in their case ovaries, to get the iPhone at almost any costs. I would guess too many legal issues to overcome and as Apple has been selling out of iPhones every since; they have not really needed to build a dumbed down phone for Verizon's one-thing-at-a-time network. Everyone in my office is complaining to me that they can't look up information for a client as they talk, they have to hang up or drag out the iPad or laptop making the client wait. I promised them if things do not improve by our contract date, we will switch to AT&T. Are you listening Verizon? 106 phones switching... I am sure they don't hear a thing...
post #53 of 75
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1. Apple & ATT have renegotiated the contract to only last 4 years; no evidence of that.

Except that the original contract is obviously dead in one way or another.

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2. Apple makes a special unit for VZ that's not an "iPhone", thereby not subject to the contract.

You're under the assumption the five-year still exists. It doesn't.

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3. Apple makes a CDMA iPhone and claims "it's not the same thing"; not a smart idea.

Nonsense.

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4. Apple simply violates the contract and gives the finger to ATT - "sosumi"; really dumb idea.

Yeah, because contracts have never been violated before. How are you to know that AT&T didn't violate THEIR terms of the contract a year and a half ago, prompting the revisions that led to the iPad controversy?

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5. Apple waits for the contract to end in 2012 and ships a VZ iPhone then; what will really happen.

Keep dreaming.

I'm an untruther myself. I refuse to believe this Verizon iPhone crap that people keep spewing until I see Steve Jobs on stage in front of a Verizon logo or I'm holding one in my hand.

But this is nonsense. We know the contract has changed. We likely know the reasons for it. I don't believe this January and February crap, but we're not limited to 2012 anymore.

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post #54 of 75
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Except that the original contract is obviously dead in one way or another.



You're under the assumption the five-year still exists. It doesn't.



Nonsense.



Yeah, because contracts have never been violated before. How are you to know that AT&T didn't violate THEIR terms of the contract a year and a half ago, prompting the revisions that led to the iPad controversy?



Keep dreaming.

I'm an untruther myself. I refuse to believe this Verizon iPhone crap that people keep spewing until I see Steve Jobs on stage in front of a Verizon logo or I'm holding one in my hand.

But this is nonsense. We know the contract has changed. We likely know the reasons for it. I don't believe this January and February crap, but we're not limited to 2012 anymore.

Prove it. Show me that the contract is invalid. We may agree that a VZ iPhone is not imminent, but I have seen nothing that shows the 5-year clause is void. If I am wrong, I will be pleasantly surprised, and will eat crow (not literally) if a VZ/Sprint/T-Mob iPhone shows up before 2012.
post #55 of 75
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Prove it. Show me that the contract is invalid. We may agree that a VZ iPhone is not imminent, but I have seen nothing that shows the 5-year clause is void. If I am wrong, I will be pleasantly surprised, and will eat crow (not literally) if a VZ/Sprint/T-Mob iPhone shows up before 2012.

Contracts can be pretty complex and youre not going to get the proof you want.
[Engadget] uncovered court documents from 2008 in which Apple confirms a 5-year exclusivity agreement with AT&T signed in 2007.

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For example, in July of 2008 we had the very same USA Today reporting that, Under the original iPhone contract, Apple had the right to offer the device to other carriers beginning in 2009.

But instead, in 2008 Apple and AT&T apparently agreed to an extension into 2010, USA Today reported citing people familiar with the matter who asked to not be named because the terms are confidential. The reason for the extension? The huge payout AT&T was giving Apple for each iPhone sold, apparently.
http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/10/app...one-agreement/ That last bit coincides with talk of Apple wanting to get out of the profit sharing of the original iPhone which AT&T wanted to maintain as the current model requires more up front money from the carrier.

You at least have to agree that Apple wanted to change the contract the next year. Whether that meant starting with a new contract or enabling/disabling some aspect of the contract is semantics. Tallest Skils comment,"the original contract is obviously dead in one way or another, seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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post #56 of 75
Wow the op's grammar skills are a bit dull. But I could say that about almost everything at AI. You guys should hire someone who can write a proper sentence if you want people to keep reading.

.. the apparently loss of exclusivity. Wow.
post #57 of 75
Come June/July there wont be a shortage of iPhone 4s on eBay and Craigslist. That'll cover the cost of the ETF.
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post #58 of 75
Rumors have really started to have gone wild about Verizon and yet when you start to look at the sources, they all come back to a rumor.
We've seen no picture or any substantiation of the CDMA Iphone from Apple either.
Yes logic would dictate that Apple is about to make a move to increase its IPHONE sales and being ATT has finished its exclusivity, why not. Hopefully Apples timing doesn't disappoint everyone.
post #59 of 75
Unless verizon gives me unlimited data,competitive plan pricing, or anything close (Which they won't and def will cap my data and I can't allow that since I use nearly 40gb a month of data) I'm not switching period. Verizon can choke on android for all I care.
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post #60 of 75
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Unless verizon gives me unlimited data,

They won't.

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competitive plan pricing,

They obviously will.

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or anything close

What does this mean?

You act as though AT&T gives you unlimited data and doesn't cap your use. THEY DO. EVERYONE DOES NOW. No one is going to get unlimited data. The plans are going to be the same price. It's common sense.

See? These are the people who whine about it not being on Verizon and then will whine when they DO get it. These people whine that Apple doesn't offer Blu-ray, but would whine that the drives are $300 BTO if Apple ever did (they won't). Come on, man.

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post #61 of 75
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You act as though AT&T gives you unlimited data and doesn't cap your use. THEY DO. EVERYONE DOES NOW. No one is going to get unlimited data. The plans are going to be the same price. It's common sense.

Im wondering if AT&T may drop the unlimited data plan options from those that retained them when they update their contract.

The only caveat is AT&T wants to retain these customers so theyll allow it, but I doubt the number of users willing to pay ETF fees to jump to another carrier supporting the iPhone will be high and the amount of data some of us users consume with our jailbroken, tethered iPhones on an unlimited plan may make it more advantageous for AT&T to simply drop the option altogether.

I think it can go either way next Summer.
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post #62 of 75
If the unlimited data is dropped for long term customers I'll look very seriously at dropping ATT when the 3GS hits its two year anniversary. I will go from being a counted on renewal to just another fickle customer looking to the cheapest dumb pipe I can find.

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post #63 of 75
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Hear that ATT?

No, but you should definitely bring it up on their forums. Ignorance may be strength, but numbers counts the same. Get enough users complaining in the right place and they'll be forced to listen.

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post #64 of 75
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Im wondering if AT&T may drop the unlimited data plan options from those that retained them when they update their contract.

The only caveat is AT&T wants to retain these customers so theyll allow it, but I doubt the number of users willing to pay ETF fees to jump to another carrier supporting the iPhone will be high and the amount of data some of us users consume with our jailbroken, tethered iPhones on an unlimited plan may make it more advantageous for AT&T to simply drop the option altogether.

I think it can go either way next Summer.

The can always do what T-Mobile does and throttle down download speeds after 5 GBs.
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The can always do what T-Mobile does and throttle down download speeds after 5 GBs.

Off topic: You notice how Verizon advertises The fastest 4G network and not The fastest network. I think both AT&T and T-Mobiles 3G speeds outpace their best LTE speeds, which is expected at this point.
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post #66 of 75
It will be interesting to see which version of iPhone Verizon will first announce. Will it be the current version? In that case, as explained elsewhere (http://www.ankleskater.com/pagemaker...20110101144500), it's doubtful Steve Jobs will make a special appearance. If they are waiting till the release of version 5, then there will be no announcement until June. Highly doubtful that there will be a Verizon-specific version with distinctive features beyond CDMA compatibility.
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It will be interesting to see which version of iPhone Verizon will first announce. Will it be the current version?

No, it will be iPhone 5.

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In that case, as explained elsewhere (http://www.ankleskater.com/pagemaker...20110101144500), it's doubtful Steve Jobs will make a special appearance.

Except Verizon's CEO himself said that Steve Jobs would be the one to present a Verizon iPhone, not him or anyone at Verizon.

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Highly doubtful that there will be a Verizon-specific version with distinctive features beyond CDMA compatibility.

Maybe a GSM/CDMA chip with LTE disabled until networks actually exist?

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Maybe a GSM/CDMA chip with LTE disabled until networks actually exist?

1) Which GSM(UMTS)/CDMA(CDMA2000) chip and what spectrums would work for the worlds smallest smartphone while still giving good battery life?

2) LTE networks do exist, which Im sure you know, so why say they dont and why include a chip and then have it disabled? But most importantly, which LTE chip would work in the worlds smallest smartphone while still giving good battery life?
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No, it will be iPhone 5.

Apple will never change its product release schedule. iP5 will not be announced before June 2011.


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Except Verizon's CEO himself said that Steve Jobs would be the one to present a Verizon iPhone, not him or anyone at Verizon.

That is not accurate. Verizon (CEO or anyone else) has not said anything definite about the iPhone.
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1) Which GSM(UMTS)/CDMA(CDMA2000) chip and what spectrums would work for the world’s smallest smartphone while still giving good battery life?

None. That's always the problem at launch.

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2) LTE networks do exist, which I’m sure you know, so why say they don’t and why include a chip and then have it disabled? But most importantly, which LTE chip would work in the world’s smallest smartphone while still giving good battery life?

The... same reason they included a disabled Bluetooth chip in the 2nd gen iPod touch? Or whichever it was. And if you can kill cores on a graphics card to take down the TDP, you can do it with functionality on a telephony chip.

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Apple will never change its product release schedule. iP5 will not be announced before June 2011.

Be careful with your definites; we don't know anything more than anyone else. I completely agree, but don't state it as such.

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That is not accurate. Verizon (CEO or anyone else) has not said anything definite about the iPhone.

Heck yes, he has. Read news?

We'll Get It When Apple Says So

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Heck yes, he has. Read news?

Yup. Sure do. No news of Seldenberg committing Jobs to anything. Rumors should not be confused with news. Think about it - what is there for Jobs to do on stage?
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Be careful with your definites; we don't know anything more than anyone else. I completely agree, but don't state it as such.

If you agree then why state that the Verizon iPhone will be the version 5?

We don't know anything definite but we know Apple's history. We also know common business sense. There is no business case to be made for releasing iP5 out of schedule when iP4 is selling so well.
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Think about it - what is there for Jobs to do on stage?

Announce iPhone 5. In June. Like he was going to do anyway.

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If you agree then why state that the Verizon iPhone will be the version 5?

Because iPhone 5 would come out in June, and if it has CDMA support, it'd be the Verizon iPhone. I'm confused at your question.

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We don't know anything definite but we know Apple's history. We also know common business sense. There is no business case to be made for releasing iP5 out of schedule when iP4 is selling so well.

That's what I keep telling people, but they don't seem to notice.

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Announce iPhone 5. In June. Like he was going to do anyway.

Theyve mostly announced and released within June to bet on that as the mostly month for each at this point. However, they have not been released immediately after they were announced, which seems to be a point you keep stating as a bona fide Apple fact.

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Because iPhone 5 would come out in June, and if it has CDMA support, it'd be the Verizon iPhone. I'm confused at your question.

Verizon seems the most likely to get a CDMA/CDMA2000 version of the iPhone, but why you completely disregard the possibility of Sprint, China Unicom and other carriers needs to be clarified.

Also, why you think a CDMA/CDMA2000 version of the iPhone would only be available as the iPhone 5 model when there will be some slack in production and huge interest for the current iPhone to be CDMA at this point. Think about it, if Apple couldnt keep up with demand the iPhone 4 on AT&T (and a few other carriers, which theyve scaled back from the year before) why you do think that adding the iPhone 5s increased demand to the US largest carrier would someone make components and manufacturing materialize.

There is a new factory coming online sometime soon but that is not a guarantee of anything and certainly against all sound business practices I can think of. Remember, Apples goal is to maximize profits.

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That's what I keep telling people, but they don't seem to notice.

I seem to recall youve been saying that Apple will do the opposite of what history suggests. I even bet you an iPad they will not announce and release the same day in April for the iPad 2.
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Theyve mostly announced and released within June to bet on that as the mostly month for each at this point. However, they have not been released immediately after they were announced, which seems to be a point you keep stating as a bona fide Apple fact.

Yes, yes. It's within a month, isn't it? iPhones generally come out in July while iPods are available the day of.

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Verizon seems the most likely to get a CDMA/CDMA2000 version of the iPhone, but why you completely disregard the possibility of Sprint, China Unicom and other carriers needs to be clarified.

I'm not disregarding them; they're ipso facto included. CDMA may not be CDMA may not be CDMA, but use the same bands and it'll eventually be unlocked. Whether the carriers take them is another story.

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Also, why you think a CDMA/CDMA2000 version of the iPhone would only be available as the iPhone 5 model when there will be some slack in production and huge interest for the current iPhone to be CDMA at this point.

They have to design a completely new phone just to add CDMA. Is it logical from a financial standpoint to think they'd design TWO completely new phones? A CDMA iPhone 4 AND the GSM/CDMA iPhone 5? I tend to think not. They'd either make a dual-band phone that was identical save the addition of CDMA or a newerish phone plus the CDMA and continue to sell the GSM-only iPhone 4, wouldn't they?

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I seem to recall youve been saying that Apple will do the opposite of what history suggests. I even bet you an iPad they will not announce and release the same day in April for the iPad 2.

Indeed. And as you've brought it up a second time, I suppose I have to hold you to that now.

Being an incurable pessimist, I refuse to get my hopes up, even for the position I've taken.

Especially for the position I've taken.

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