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I expect to see Chrome tablets that are exactly what you describe.

If they are cheap enough, I'd buy several. One for the couch, one for the bedside table, and one for the throne. Another to keep in the car.

If they were a couple of hundred dollars each, such a device would be perfect for many uses. There is no need to drive a dumptruck like the iPad when a motorcycle will get you there much more efficiently.

iPad users will be scrolling through page after page of icons, looking for the app that gives them access to the publisher's stuff, while Chrome users will be already accessing their content. Hmmmm.....where did I put that WiReD app again? Page 5? No, wait, maybe I put it in a folder. Damn, all these folders look alike. Which one? Content apps? Magazine apps? Did I put it in with the eBook reader apps?

The iPad is a dumptruck compared to what a tablet could be.

Strange, on my iPad there is a great Browser right there in front of my eyes that I can use any time I want as well as lots of apps.
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post #42 of 180
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RIM is on track with its schedule to optimize the BlackBerry PlayBook’s battery life and looks forward to providing customers with a professional grade tablet that offers superior performance with comparable battery life.

Dear lord, are the CEOs of RIM writing press releases as well? "Professional grade"? "Comparable", without bothering to mention compared to what?

RIM looks forward to providing on track superiority while maintaining similar too!
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I know a car company not too far away from Waterloo, Ontario whose slogan used to be: "We're professional grade."

It's now called Government Motors...
post #44 of 180
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Originally Posted by Solipcyst View Post

I expect to see Chrome tablets that are exactly what you describe.

If they are cheap enough, I'd buy several. One for the couch, one for the bedside table, and one for the throne. Another to keep in the car.

If they were a couple of hundred dollars each, such a device would be perfect for many uses. There is no need to drive a dumptruck like the iPad when a motorcycle will get you there much more efficiently.

iPad users will be scrolling through page after page of icons, looking for the app that gives them access to the publisher's stuff, while Chrome users will be already accessing their content. Hmmmm.....where did I put that WiReD app again? Page 5? No, wait, maybe I put it in a folder. Damn, all these folders look alike. Which one? Content apps? Magazine apps? Did I put it in with the eBook reader apps?

The iPad is a dumptruck compared to what a tablet could be.

Guess you're retarded to not know tablets run on Andriod not Chrome. and guess you'll probably buy 3 for each of your family members just like DaHarder. 1 for them to use on the couch, 1 for the bedside table, and 1 to keep in the car
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

Strange, on my iPad there is a great Browser right there in front of my eyes that I can use any time I want as well as lots of apps.

Strange indeed

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post #46 of 180
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple View Post

I wonder how they define "comparable battery life"?

Hope they are not digging their own grave!

They are dead, they just don't know it yet...
post #47 of 180
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Originally Posted by Wonder View Post

One swipe to the search screen in the iPad, type 'wi' and there is your App, took all of 1 swipe, 2 typed letters one App selected. Next time try to at least understand the product before you spout off rubbish!

And what exactly do you do with your Chrome tablet when you have no internet access? Use it as a door stop?

He's a serial troll, deluded as ever. Soon no new users will be able to register because of all the username aliases he's taking up.
post #48 of 180
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

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Any testing or observation of battery life to date by anyone outside of RIM would have been performed using pre-beta units that were built without power management implemented," the statement read. "RIM is on track with its schedule to optimize the BlackBerry PlayBooks battery life and looks forward to providing customers with a professional grade tablet that offers superior performance with comparable battery life.
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I believe that RIM does have severe battery problems.
RIM and Adobe are probably scrambling right now to squeeze 4 hours or so out of the darn thing.

Did they confirm anything about a Q1 release? Oh well...

Time will tell.
post #49 of 180
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Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post

I believe that RIM does have severe battery problems.
RIM and Adobe are probably scrambling right now to squeeze 4 hours or so out of the darn thing.

Did they confirm anything about a Q1 release? Oh well...

Time will tell.

This is where RIM is probably starting to get that sinking feeling... That maybe believing wholesale whatever nonsense Adobe shoved up their ports was not such a good idea.
post #50 of 180
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Originally Posted by Solipcyst View Post

I expect to see Chrome tablets that are exactly what you describe.

iPad users will be scrolling through page after page of icons, looking for the app that gives them access to the publisher's stuff, while Chrome users will be already accessing their content. Hmmmm.....where did I put that WiReD app again? Page 5? No, wait, maybe I put it in a folder. Damn, all these folders look alike. Which one? Content apps? Magazine apps? Did I put it in with the eBook reader apps?

The iPad is a dumptruck compared to what a tablet could be.

I don't see Chrome as more refined in this regard, the content is still an icon/text string/tab away. You're also presuming i won't use Pulse/Flipboard/SAFARI to access the same content you're using Chrome to access.

What is different though is my choice of a truly "optimal" consumption method. What am I missing? What does Chrome offer me over a native app or using Safari?
post #51 of 180
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Originally Posted by Solipcyst View Post

I expect to see Chrome tablets that are exactly what you describe.

If they are cheap enough, I'd buy several. One for the couch, one for the bedside table, and one for the throne. Another to keep in the car.

If they were a couple of hundred dollars each, such a device would be perfect for many uses. There is no need to drive a dumptruck like the iPad when a motorcycle will get you there much more efficiently.

iPad users will be scrolling through page after page of icons, looking for the app that gives them access to the publisher's stuff, while Chrome users will be already accessing their content. Hmmmm.....where did I put that WiReD app again? Page 5? No, wait, maybe I put it in a folder. Damn, all these folders look alike. Which one? Content apps? Magazine apps? Did I put it in with the eBook reader apps?

The iPad is a dumptruck compared to what a tablet could be.

I'm sorry but this is just silly. There's this thing called Sptlight on iOS that let's you search for apps on your device, instead of the cumbersome process you described there. The iPad's browser can also run webapps pretty well, so I don't know why you're trumpeting Chrome tablets like it'll be exclusive to them.
post #52 of 180
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Originally Posted by Solipcyst View Post

I expect to see Chrome tablets that are exactly what you describe.

If they are cheap enough, I'd buy several. One for the couch, one for the bedside table, and one for the throne. Another to keep in the car.

If they were a couple of hundred dollars each, such a device would be perfect for many uses. There is no need to drive a dumptruck like the iPad when a motorcycle will get you there much more efficiently.

iPad users will be scrolling through page after page of icons, looking for the app that gives them access to the publisher's stuff, while Chrome users will be already accessing their content. Hmmmm.....where did I put that WiReD app again? Page 5? No, wait, maybe I put it in a folder. Damn, all these folders look alike. Which one? Content apps? Magazine apps? Did I put it in with the eBook reader apps?

The iPad is a dumptruck compared to what a tablet could be.

Pull up the keyboard and type in the first letters of the app then select it. Quicker than paging though my 7 pages of folders and sub folders.

Didn't know I could do that until my 10 y.o. son showed me.
post #53 of 180
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Considering most apps access the web and there a lot more than a WebKit browser app on the PlayBook, hes either not getting it or playing a very weak trick.

RIM is just trying to spin a weakness into a strength. There won't be many apps available for the Playbook so why not just tell the user they don't need apps? Its actually kind of Apple-esque. I'm sure you recall the original iPhone, which had no user installable apps. Apple's answer at the time was "just use the web" which lasted until the App Store. Now its all about apps!

Of course now we all know the power of a good app store so when we hear RIM try the same trick on us its not quite as persuasive.

Oh RIM...
post #54 of 180
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Originally Posted by Solipcyst View Post

I expect to see Chrome tablets that are exactly what you describe.

If they are cheap enough, I'd buy several. One for the couch, one for the bedside table, and one for the throne. Another to keep in the car.

If they were a couple of hundred dollars each, such a device would be perfect for many uses. There is no need to drive a dumptruck like the iPad when a motorcycle will get you there much more efficiently.

iPad users will be scrolling through page after page of icons, looking for the app that gives them access to the publisher's stuff, while Chrome users will be already accessing their content. Hmmmm.....where did I put that WiReD app again? Page 5? No, wait, maybe I put it in a folder. Damn, all these folders look alike. Which one? Content apps? Magazine apps? Did I put it in with the eBook reader apps?

The iPad is a dumptruck compared to what a tablet could be.

They will not be as cheap as you are implying. If they could hit that price point they would already be out. It is not that hard to make a web only device. I doubt a web-only device that you would actually want could be built with significantly less RAM, processor, battery, and lower quality display to be much cheaper then an iPad. When you are selling 100+ million iOS devices a year, the cost of a more advanced operating system isn't significant. The only thing that can be stripped is flash memory. Maybe they could hit a $400 price point. I'd rather spend the $100 on a device that can also handle offline media and apps. Android/RIM devices are having a hard time matching Apple's price for a 10" device with a much smaller 7" display. There will be no "cheap" solution any time soon. When there is a solution, you get what you pay for.

Why would you have a wifi only device in your car anyway? Or do you want to spend $25 a month on a data plan for each of those "cheap" devices? My iPad happens to be portable with an all day run time and can take the "same" device to all of those places.

The iPad is only a dumptruck in respect to it sending other tablets to the landfill before they are sold.
post #55 of 180
The old Cold War journalists used to say; "Never believe a story out of the Soviet Union until it is officially denied"

RIM has just done that. They are lying to cover their inability to produce a good product. They should have shut their mouth up until they have a pre-delivery product before announcing it to the whole world.

Pride goes before the fall.....
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Originally Posted by Radjin View Post

It's now called Government Motors...

In case you didn't notice, they paid off their bailout loans. People will still point to this as proof of how much of a far left socialist communist marxist muslim terrorist Obama is though...
post #57 of 180
This feels like a repeat of Palm and WebOS. They don't have time for a real solution, so they throw together some web based stuff that they put on a generic operating system and call it a product. Unless they come up with something real before they tank, they will probably be acquired for QNX and their mobile division will just get dropped.
post #58 of 180
One thing I've actually grown to admire about Apple is the fact that they don't release statements about products they're developing.

I couldn't care less about what the CEO at rim has to say about battery life in their upcoming tablet. Release the damn thing, then we'll discuss it.

This is nothing more than a "hey don't forget, we have some shit coming out soon also!" attempt.
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Originally Posted by blursd View Post

Is RIM becoming the Venezuela of the mobile technology industry ...?

^^ Deserves some sort of award.
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Originally Posted by esummers View Post

This feels like a repeat of Palm and WebOS. They don't have time for a real solution, so they throw together some web based stuff that they put on a generic operating system and call it a product. Unless they come up with something real before they tank, they will probably be acquired for QNX and their mobile division will just get dropped.

Wait a second, WebOS was a good OS though. Palm's failure came in the form of a lack of proper advertisement. They really mucked things up with that creepy redhead with the bee stings.

What you had with Palm was a last ditch effort with all resources directed to a new OS, and they succeeded here, but were left with not enough resources to sell it. HP has those resources though.
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Originally Posted by pridon View Post

Pull up the keyboard and type in the first letters of the app then select it. Quicker than paging though my 7 pages of folders and sub folders.

Didn't know I could do that until my 10 y.o. son showed me.

This is a great feature. I have at least a couple hunded apps on my phone and can open the most infrequently used one in a couple of seconds. It is also how I open most apps on my MAC, so maybe I was already used to it.
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Originally Posted by shapesNforms View Post

...... I want a real competitor out there so Apple is forced to look ahead, and move ahead instead of sitting on it's ass until some real competition does catch up....

You obviously have not been following Apple with open eyes over the years since Steve Jobs took over again .... or else you would have noticed that Apple only competes and compares itself to the best.... not the rest. Apples competition is with Apple itself! They are constantly trying to improve on the quality of the entire company and product/service line. That's why they're miles ahead of the rest of the industry. While everyone else is looking to compete on price .... Apple prefers to compete on customer satisfaction with all of its product line.

This is not rocket science ... where a company puts its focus is where it will usually perform best. Why the rest of the industry and people like you cannot understand it is beyond me. I guess it's only because that method of running a company seems to be the exception, rather than the rule ..... and that is reflected in the sad state of our manufacturing industry, as a whole.

Don't worry about Apple ... they have a strategy ... and they are executing it perfectly ... regardless of their competition.

PS .... If it seems like I'm "picking" on your post .. I apologize ... I don't mean anything personal .... it's just that I get tired of hearing that "Apple needs the competition" to keep getting better .... which seems to be a reoccurring theme here on these boards lately.
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post #63 of 180
RIM keeps talking about how fabulous the playbook and how it's better than anything else as if it's "real". It won't become "real" until it becomes an actual shipping product and people start buying them. Until then it's merely a pipe dream, vapor-ware.

In the extremely limited demos, the Playbook looks pretty decent, but there are far too many unanswered questions and frankly it looks half-baked to me. It looks unfinished because it is unfinished. RIM is touting the device as if it's a shipping product that is selling like hotcakes.

Why? It's a lame attempt to get a few tablet buyers to wait while they try to figure out how to get it right. Hopefully they learned from the Storm fiasco, releasing a far-from-ready product can have disastrous results.

The Playbook may turn out to be all that and a bag of chips as RIM would have us believe, but I'll wait for an actual shipping product. Let the consumers decide what is truth and what is fiction where the Playbook is concerned.

Personally, I see nothing in the Playbook that sets the world on fire or warrants waiting to "maybe" get one one day soon, but that's just me.
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Originally Posted by blursd View Post

Is RIM becoming the Venezuela of the mobile technology industry ...?

This is what happens when a company can't even decide on a CEO ..... two CEO's ?? wtf .... the devilish duo ? Rim is fast becoming a company "run by committee" .... and we all know how that turned out for the horse.
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[QUOTE=solipsism;1775330]I was told QNX has power management built in, so why would this be absent?[/quote0

It's got to be reworked for the hardware.
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Originally Posted by shapesNforms View Post

So, if ONE analyst asserts something about a competing product, it's taken by AI and the Apple community as pure fact. But if an analyst says something negative about an Apple product, AI will go all out to disparage that analyst and just gloss over what that analyst might have said...I'm pretty sure at this point, AI runs it's original stories through Apple's PR department for approval before posting them...

For a community that is the #1 leader in the tablet area right now, why do we constantly feel the need to try and take shots at competitors? I don't walk around shoving my iPad in people's faces to show it off and this constant bashing of competitors is getting a little tiring. I for one, hope the Play Book is every bit as good as the iPad...Not that there is a good chance of that but I want a real competitor out there so Apple is forced to look ahead, and move ahead instead of sitting on it's ass until some real competition does catch up....

I imagine that the only web site you read is AI, or you would know that every other website has also discussed this.
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Well, to be fair, having a tablet that can't run apps other than a web-browser would be a redefinition of what a tablet can do -- kind of like having a car that can only drive in reverse would be a redefinition of what a car can do.

Like Chrome OS, only without the netbook configuration.
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Originally Posted by nvidia2008 View Post

I bet you they're waiting for Apple's iPad2 to be announced before they can then quickly "tweak" the PlayBook to be "competitive" with the iPad2.

Well, if they can actually accomplish that, more power to them. Don't think that's wise or likely, though. With a year's lead time, the new iPad will be better engineered than anyone else can recreate in a month or two. They're gunning at a fast-moving target.
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I wonder how they define "comparable battery life"?

Hope they are not digging their own grave!

It could be comparable to Windows 7 tablets. In other words, 3 to 4 hours. Hp claims "up to 5 hours" for the 500. but "up to" numbers are always optimistic. The Archos 9, which Consumers Reports included in their new issue, which has a section reviewing tablets, is getting 3. Apple offers a flat out "ten hours playing video". That's been confirmed. The Samsung has been shown to have 6 to 6.5 hours.
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Interesting article on the future of apps:

Top 10 Reasons Why You Need to Be Investing in the App Revolution


http://blogs.marketwatch.com/cody/20.../?mod=yahoo_hs

I can think of at least 3 people who need to read this article!
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Guess you're retarded to not know tablets run on Andriod not Chrome. and guess you'll probably buy 3 for each of your family members just like DaHarder. 1 for them to use on the couch, 1 for the bedside table, and 1 to keep in the car

No name calling please!
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Originally Posted by pridon View Post

Pull up the keyboard and type in the first letters of the app then select it. Quicker than paging though my 7 pages of folders and sub folders.

Didn't know I could do that until my 10 y.o. son showed me.

No sub folders are allowed.
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In case you didn't notice, they paid off their bailout loans. People will still point to this as proof of how much of a far left socialist communist marxist muslim terrorist Obama is though...

Not "people" just Foxbots
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One thing I've actually grown to admire about Apple is the fact that they don't release statements about products they're developing.

Heh!

They don't release statements about products they developed either, until it's ready.
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Originally Posted by melgross View Post

It could be comparable to Windows 7 tablets. In other words, 3 to 4 hours. Hp claims "up to 5 hours" for the 500. but "up to" numbers are always optimistic. The Archos 9, which Consumers Reports included in their new issue, which has a section reviewing tablets, is getting 3. Apple offers a flat out "ten hours playing video". That's been confirmed. The Samsung has been shown to have 6 to 6.5 hours.

Makes you wonder what iPad mk2 will offer for battery life, I wonder if they will top 10 hours?
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Interesting article on the future of apps:

Top 10 Reasons Why You Need to Be Investing in the App Revolution


http://blogs.marketwatch.com/cody/20.../?mod=yahoo_hs

I can think of at least 3 people who need to read this article!

How many of them are “dual-core” CEOs?
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Wait a second, WebOS was a good OS though. Palm's failure came in the form of a lack of proper advertisement. They really mucked things up with that creepy redhead with the bee stings.

What you had with Palm was a last ditch effort with all resources directed to a new OS, and they succeeded here, but were left with not enough resources to sell it. HP has those resources though.

I didn't find WebOS to be that good because it wasn't discoverable. There were too many things you had to know about it first, before you used it. Major functions. Like swiping below the screen. I think that people picked it up in the phone store, couldn't figure out how to use it, put it back, and went to buy something else.

Apple has changed the perceptions of how we use our phones. All my previous smartphones needed a very big manual. If you need one now, your product isn't going to sell. Expectations have changed.
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Originally Posted by newbee View Post

This is what happens when a company can't even decide on a CEO ..... two CEO's ?? wtf .... the devilish duo ? Rim is fast becoming a company "run by committee" .... and we all know how that turned out for the horse.

Those two guys founded the company, so I guess they have equal authority.
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

Makes you wonder what iPad mk2 will offer for battery life, I wonder if they will top 10 hours?

I've been wondering that as well. The new 2 core chips are said to use, on average, less power than the single core chips of the current generation. how much of a difference isn't specified, but I don't think it would make much difference. According to jobs, when speaking to Mossberg, the A4 "sips" power. It's mostly in the screen. The 3G takes some too, because that model is rated for 9 hours.

We don't know which, if any of the rumors are true, so it's hard to tell where Apple's going with this. If they do go with a thinner model, as we've read, then bigger batteries are out of the question. They would need a more efficient backlight. It just so happens that Apple recently got a patent on just such a technology, which would also allow for a thinner screen and backlight, but it may be too early to use it. But, who knows?

If Apple somehow got the life to 12 hours, all bets would be off. As it is, Apple has a big advantage over other companies with their owning the Os, and many years of experience working on cpus and chipsets, and then acquiring two companies in that field.

The advantage is that Apple has been working on power management for portable devices for OS X since 1998. They've likely been working on it for handhelds since sometime 2004, as the iPad was a project before the iPhone. As OS X is fairly compartmentalized, it's been easy to pick and choose what parts they need for iOS. Couple that to your own work on the chip, and who else can match that?
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Originally Posted by Wovel View Post

^^ Deserves some sort of award.

Actually, QNX did win an award for power management.

http://www.qnx.com/news/pr_832_1.html

Since all the drivers are outside the kernel, they can kill them whenever they want (and restart them when they are needed). They don't have to just to kill the backlight of the LCD screen to save power, they can kill the whole video driver and turn everything off. You touch the bazel or touch the screen, QNX restarts the video driver.
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