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Ok, last year he gave me $1600 for my 16th birthday. The check had a note attached that said he wanted the money to be for a laptop or for a car. Anyway, I bought an iBook for cheap with the purpose of selling it for a profit. This was made known to my family before the purchase. So I sold the iBook for $2000 which was a $400 profit. The money came to me in the form of a money order and was made out to me. My dad, being my legal guardian, deposits the money order into his account. He does this because he says it was clear that I didn't want a laptop because I sold it. He said he would keep the money until I wanted to buy another laptop. I bought and sold the laptop so I would have $2000 and my intention was to do this a few more times to get $ for college spending money and another laptop. But he will not let me have the money. So not only does he have the original $1600, he made a $400 profit too. What should I do? Am I just being a prick?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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post #2 of 53
Well, you could realize that your dad gave you the money with strings attached, thus allowing him to yank it back when he didn't do with it what he stipulated.
post #3 of 53
if your dad wants to buy you a laptop...why don't you just do it? and if you don't want a laptop, don't be such a jerk about the money.
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You should buy a new latptop and sell it when you will reach the age of 21
post #5 of 53
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[quote]Originally posted by sizzle chest:
<strong>Well, you could realize that your dad gave you the money with strings attached, thus allowing him to yank it back when he didn't do with it what he stipulated.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ok, using your logic, I should still get my $400 profit though, right? Also, shouldn't I have had to be present for him to deposit money made out to me in his account? But also the note didn't say that the money MUST be used for a laptop it said, and I quote, "I would like for this money to be used...."

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post #6 of 53
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[quote]Originally posted by poor taylor:
<strong>if your dad wants to buy you a laptop...why don't you just do it? and if you don't want a laptop, don't be such a jerk about the money.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm a "jerk" because this money is ALL I got for my birthday.
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post #7 of 53
[quote]Ok, using your logic, I should still get my $400 profit though, right?<hr></blockquote>

Debateable. You purposely decieved teh fatherfigure so you lose moral highground.

[quote]Also, shouldn't I have had to be present for him to deposit money made out to me in his account?<hr></blockquote>

If you want to do it right call the cops and ask them.
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How did I decieve?
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post #9 of 53
Just get a new laptop.
post #10 of 53
[quote]Originally posted by G4Dude:
<strong>How did I decieve?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Because you bought the laptop, which is wat he wanted you to use the money for, and the sold it just to get the money back.
post #11 of 53
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[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
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Because you bought the laptop, which is wat he wanted you to use the money for, and the sold it just to get the money back.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I sold it to make a profit, which as I said in my original post, I made clear to him.
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post #12 of 53
Just get the laptop.
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post #13 of 53
[quote]Originally posted by G4Dude:
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I sold it to make a profit, which as I said in my original post, I made clear to him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If you did not wanted to have a laptop, you will just have to said : dad i don't want this laptop can i save the money for something else ?.

Buying a laptop and then sell it was not fair (don't want to make you moral lessons, but just want to try to explains the feelings of your fathers that think he was betrayed).

The fact that he only suggest and did not give you an order is not an excuse, you perfectly understand what was the conditions. You try to trick him, and i think he wanted to make you a lesson.

I think you'd better make some apologies : i think in that way, all things will become better and perhaps he should give you back the money : but for that you have to understand the lesson.
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Goddamit, people seem to be missing the point. Oh well, lock the thread please.
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post #15 of 53
[quote]Originally posted by G4Dude:
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I'm a "jerk" because this money is ALL I got for my birthday.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I usually get a couple of cards and quick phone calls from family and friends back home.



I'd give my left nut to get $1600 for MY birthday.

Although, I have to say, my most recent birthday (January, turned 33) was THE BEST I've ever had...on SO many levels.



And I'll never tell why...the only people who need to know already do.



Back to the topic (whew...got a bit faint there for a second...ahem...), try to get the money back and buy a laptop and stop being cute and trying to pull a Donald Trump.

With $2000, you could get a snazzy combo drive iBook without breaking a sweat. And maybe still have some left over for RAM, a carrying bag and/or an AirPort set-up.
post #16 of 53
Yeah, I'll bet your dad would give you the money back if you said "OK, I really do want and need a laptop now," and you actually bought another one. Then be glad you have a dad who gave you $1600 for your birthday!
post #17 of 53
How is it that a kid has the network to be able to buy a laptop brand new (on the cheap) and sell it at a 400 dollar profit? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

I say again, <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

Care to clarify this? I fear we're not getting the whole truth.
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[quote]Originally posted by G4Dude:
<strong>Goddamit, people seem to be missing the point. Oh well, lock the thread please.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You're an idiot. How are we missing the point? You didn't want the laptop. Your dad said to use it on a laptop, correct? You get the laptop and then sell it to make a profit so you'll have more money, right? Your dad takes back the money because you didn't use it for what he told you it was for. Like I said before, just get the iBook.
post #19 of 53
I think that's pretty shady and I understand your point. That's just like me wanting to sell my computer and get a new model and parents refusing that. I understand your case...but ONLY $1600 for your birthday? Dude, I don't even get christmas presents or birthday presents. What I get is with my own money.
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post #20 of 53
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[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>How is it that a kid has the network to be able to buy a laptop brand new (on the cheap) and sell it at a 400 dollar profit? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

I say again, <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

Care to clarify this? I fear we're not getting the whole truth.</strong><hr></blockquote>

At the time, the 466 iBook was the current model. I bought a used one with a base station and airport card and 192MB of RAM for $1600. I sold it the next day on eBay for $2000. My goal was to do things like this again until I could afford a PowerBook.

What I'm really bitching about is the fact that I don't get to keep my profit. My dad profited from my investment. I am also mad at the bank for letting him cash and deposit my money order without my concent. I don't care if I'm a minor, I should still have to be present or have to have signed the damn thing. THAT is what is pissing me off. I can sorta kinda understand why he took the $1600 back.

Thanks for understanding my point Tiger. I didn't mean for to it sound like I was mad about getting ONLY $1600 but I meant that that was my present for my 16th birthday, now I have no present. He shouldn't get mad at me for trying to trade up, that's weird.

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post #21 of 53
I didn't get a fvcking thing for my 16th birthday. Stop being an ungrateful prick.
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post #22 of 53
I think you should get the cash and the profits but not quite in the manner you think.

You are 16 and ehem, you want to do things your own way, that should be fine. The $1600 should be a loan. The $400 profit should be given to you however there should be a loan fee given back to your dad for providing the loan. I would think you should get about $325 back.

I think your Dad should be willing to do this arrangement with you as many times as you care to do it.

In the end you would all get what you want. Your dad would get the original $1600 dollars plus about $275 profit for use of his money. You would make your original $2000 for a laptop plus another $2000 for spending money. (You would have to flip about 11 machines) You would get the money on your own terms and your own way.

Doing things this way you wouldn't come across like a whining, spoiled brat. (Which is btw, how you are coming across now and why people don't get the "point") You would be a man on your own terms dealing with adult money matters in an adult way. (you borrow money, you repay it, you pay for borrowing it)

I don't know if your dad would go for it, but it sounds like a good way to resolve it to me. You could even print up a nice contract making you legal liable for the money and a way to resolve it if you lose the money.

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post #23 of 53
Your father gave you money with the understanding that you would use it to get a laptop.

After all is said and done, you didn't use it to get a laptop. You decided to make a 25% profit on his money and keep it for yourself. Remember: your father didn't just give you $1600. The money was a means to a stated end.

If you want $1600 to become a wrangler on eBay and make money for college, get a job and earn it yourself.

As for suing your own father over $400, I really hope you're not serious. You do not want to do that to your family because of 400 measly dollars. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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post #24 of 53
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Sorry for sounding like a spoiled brat. I think you people read to deep into things. I'm just frusterated. I wanted to keep trading up until I could afford a PowerBook because it was meant to be my primary machine. For him to take my money order and deposit it without my knowledge was WRONG though probably still legal. I just don't understand why he won't let me keep trading up, it doesn't hurt him in any way. As for the loan thing, he doesn't want the money back, he just wants me to buy a laptop with the money; though I would be willing to do the loan thing.
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post #25 of 53
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[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
<strong>Your father gave you money with the understanding that you would use it to get a laptop.

After all is said and done, you didn't use it to get a laptop. You decided to make a 25% profit on his money and keep it for yourself. Remember: your father didn't just give you $1600. The money was a means to a stated end.

If you want $1600 to become a wrangler on eBay and make money for college, get a job and earn it yourself.

As for suing your own father over $400, I really hope you're not serious. You do not want to do that to your family because of 400 measly dollars. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
The lawsuit thing was a joke, sorry for the confusion. Oh ya, I do have a job and do earn money for myself and have bought and sold 2 more PowerBooks and saved $700 more for college by selling those 2.
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post #26 of 53
[quote]Originally posted by G4Dude:
<strong>Sorry for sounding like a spoiled brat. I think you people read to deep into things. I'm just frusterated. I wanted to keep trading up until I could afford a PowerBook because it was meant to be my primary machine. For him to take my money order and deposit it without my knowledge was WRONG though probably still legal. I just don't understand why he won't let me keep trading up, it doesn't hurt him in any way. As for the loan thing, he doesn't want the money back, he just wants me to buy a laptop with the money; though I would be willing to do the loan thing.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If he wants you to get a laptop so badly, ask him for more money so you can just get a Powerbook
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Are there this many stupid people on eBay? I thought Murbot had them all cornered. Who in their right ming would pay like new prices for used equipment? I thinkI should get in on this action.
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post #28 of 53
Get the damn laptop. For $1600 you can get a pretty spiffy iBook. And then thanks your dad profusely. Not all of us are so lucky.
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[quote]Originally posted by G4Dude:
<strong>Sorry for sounding like a spoiled brat. .</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> Sounding like?!?!?

This explains so much about your ideas!!!

By the way, I believe, as your father, he has the legal right to the famed

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post #30 of 53
I had to save, do some outside work, eat Ramen a bit more than I'd like, etc. to get the money for my SuperDrive iMac.

And, of all things, ended up buying it exactly one day before it jumped up $100! First time I'd been blessed with that sort of good luck/timing on a major purchase like this.

Usually it's the other way around (DROPS $100 the day after I buy it).

post #31 of 53
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See I was going to use that money to keep trading up so I could get a PowerBook eventually. He just F'd up my plans. I wanted to be able to get a PowerBook with that money. For everyone's info, I put all my money from my job towards keeping up my car and saving for college. I guess what I'll end up doing eventually is get a PowerBook with the $2000 plus some money that I will take out of my "car upgrade fund." What really just pissed me off about the situation is what the bank did. Oh well, I guess being a minor really just sucks. Please everyone forgive me for my immature spoiled rich kid rant; this just wasn't the real me, sorry

Oh and Matsu, ebay is full of idiots; an unlimited supply.

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post #32 of 53
I think there should be less sueing and more talking?

There is no one in your family who can act as a mediator?

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post #33 of 53
Your father sounds like quite the ass.

 

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post #35 of 53
Well, you probably found the answer you were looking for, but I agree with some of the others. Don't do it. It isn't worth $400. Money comes and goes, and you can always get more of it. You've only got one dad.
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post #36 of 53
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As I said earlier in the thread, the lawsuit thing was kinda a joke. I was never really going to do it.
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[quote]Originally posted by G4Dude:
<strong>As I said earlier in the thread, the lawsuit thing was kinda a joke. I was never really going to do it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure your case would have been thrown out is short order anyway since you're a minor and parents have exceptional legal power when it comes to their children. And court costs would eat up that $400 profit pretty quickly.

Also, why not tell your dad about your plan and see if he'll go along? Otherwise just politely accept his gift.
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post #38 of 53
G4Dude,

If my dad had bought given me the money to buy a new laptop, I would still own it to this day.

My Dad died my freshman year of college when I was 18. I'm 32 now and I have come to realize that i never got to talk with my Dad as an adult.

You sound like a spoiled brat, ungrateful, unappreciative, and lacking an appreciation of being fortunate enough to have a Dad willing to buy you a computer.

You can run your greed schemes later when you ride on Daddy's coattail into an exec position of WorldCom/Enron/ (insert future unethical business here)

Money is worthless, the more I make the more I dislike it.

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post #39 of 53
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[quote]Originally posted by Masker:
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You can run your greed schemes later when you ride on Daddy's coattail into an exec position of WorldCom/Enron/ (insert future unethical business here)
</strong><hr></blockquote>

LOL, not even close. Good try though. If you take the time to read ALL of the posts in the thread, you will be better informed when you post.
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post #40 of 53
To actually answer the question, it sounds like your father attemtped to make a conditional gift. Gifts are irrevocable once delivered and conditions fail upon delivery, so when he handed you the $, his condition failed. In order to get around this, he could try to couch the deal as a contract, but coming as it did on your b-day, that would probably fail. Also, if it was a contract, he couldn't claim breach b/c you actually bought a laptap. There is no implied condition that you keep the item and contracts b/w minors and adults are voidable at the minor's option, not the adult's.

The money situation is a bit more nuanced b/c you gave it to him and the bank depositing the check in his account w/o indorsement so this involves the UCC on negotiable instruments and other nasty laws that are too complicated for this forum.

I know you said you were joking but I figured somebody should actually answer your question instead of picking on you. It was your dad's choice to give you a gift of that size, not yours. I have the sneaking suspicion that if the gift was $10, everybody would be saying "oh come on, get over it. Its only $10." I don't understand how the size of the gift justifies your father taking it back and pocketing your profit. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

Anyway, don't sue your dad. Ask him to buy you a laptop and let him handle the transaction. And you've also learned not to give him your money.
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