Give America back if you truly believe in Liberty.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

So stealing is ok with Tallest Skil?

You surely know your in possession of stolen goods, or that many Americans are?

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

In that case we can dismiss your vote as void. Therefore it's still 1-0.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

I would have thoughts you'd want to protect their property rights.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

I think your playing the "get out of it card".

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

There's no truth in denying the native Americans there land and way of life.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

America was founded on terrorism.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

It's the truth.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

So once no one's left alive let's just forget about it. That's effectively what you're saying.

I don't think the Native Americans have forgotten about it. There the most sick and impoverished group of Americans by far and I doubt they're content with that.

Indeed they want their country back

, but you won't give it to them or make an effort to try to give it back to them because you've washed your hands of the matter so that you and your loved ones won't have to take any action that interferes with your life.

It's not necessarily a punishment either.

To give back something that you know is stolen can and should be a willing act.

[Obviously this would have to happen so as to cause the least amount of pain as possible to those heading back to their own countries. That's why it would probably take about 20 or 30 years or so to complete. I'm sure the Native Americans would try to be accommodating given how long they've already suffered and how noble and non materialistic they are as a people.

Of course it'll never happen without a movement of willing European Americans and Europeans. At least if you fought for it you could tell you children that you tried to give back something that was stolen even though you hadn't directly stole it yourself.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

If you believe in liberty then support giving America back to the Native American's et al. The natives can decide who stays or goes and what to do with their land. For recompense Americans could offer to guard its borders if the natives want that. Europeans who were complicit in the takeover would have to accept back the whites and offer citizenship to blacks and if blacks wished, help them to resettle Africa.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

Most people are roughly where there from. Sure Europeans have spread themselves around Europe a bit but it doesn't even come close to what happened in the US.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

Most people are roughly where there from. Sure Europeans have spread themselves around Europe a bit but it doesn't even come close to what happened in the US.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

Palestine isn't in Europe.

Europe is pretty much much fine. Ask Europeans and see what they tell you. Ask native Americans and they'll tell you the complete opposite. This is just another feeble excuse not to do the right thing. Clearly you have no shame.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

Europe is pretty much much fine. Ask Europeans and see what they tell you.

Originally Posted by MJ1970

Well "truth" is a funny thing...especially regarding very broad, ill-defined statements about large, long-term things that happened centuries ago involving many different circumstances, issues and events.

Originally Posted by BR

I've made my point abundantly clear. I'm not wavering on this issue. I find the entire thread silly and I'll be commenting here no further. Just a head's up for you.

Originally Posted by BR

I don't give a fuck that this is a public poll. It's a stupid question. The descendants of those who suffered at the hands of colonials, and later Americans, should be given every opportunity everyone else in this country has to succeed. Extra attention should be paid to make sure they don't suffer from disease or poverty. But it's not the current living Native Americans who were slaughtered--neither their parents, nor their grandparents. And it's not the current generation of Americans who performed those heinous crimes--neither their parents, nor their grandparents.

You can't undo one injustice by doing another to a different group who were not responsible for the initial injustice in the first place.

Thank the cosmos we don't live by the terrible work of obscene fiction (otherwise known as Bible) and are mandated to suffer for the sins of our fathers. It's never right nor just to punish a child for the misdeeds of an ancestor. Never.

No, it's not. I'm saying don't pile more injustices on top of previous ones. The descendants of those who committed the vile acts did not commit the vile acts. It's unquestionably wrong to expect them to be punished for the sins of their ancestors.


It's wrong they are so impoverished. They should be given every extra advantage they can get--basic needs, healthcare, and education.


Evidence? All of them? Blanket asinine statement much?

Me and my loved ones immigrated to this country well after the slaughter was complete. Even if my great-great-grandfather collected Native American scalps, I didn't. And those Native Americans living here today were not rounded up and slaughtered, either. Again, they should be given every advantage possible, but what you demand is a great injustice on millions of innocent people who through the accident of birth happen to have ancestors who did terrible things.


Bullshit. Uprooting over 300 million people because some of their ancestors did atrocious things is nothing but a punishment.


Should we tear down and take with us every single thing we built, too? You know, to leave it in as close a condition as possible to how it was taken.

This thread is so not serious it's insane.



Blah blah blah. If you believe in liberty, you believe that no individual should have to pay for the crimes of another. Period. End of story. You're patently ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

Yes, it is ironic that, particularly with MJ, but others too, that property rights comes so down on the list for Native Americans and how their support of a government who violated those property rights is so casually brushed under the carpet. Even today Native Americans fight to stop more of the little land they have used for toxic waste dumps and mining.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

Yes, it is ironic that, particularly with MJ, but others too, that property rights comes so down on the list for Native Americans and how their support of a government who violated those property rights is so casually brushed under the carpet. Even today Native Americans fight to stop more of the little land they have used for toxic waste dumps and mining.

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

OK so Native Americans only have a tinsy little bit of the US to make a valid claim over that their property rights were abused?

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

LOL there not even close to the Native Americans situation. The Native Americans were the whole of a population (in many areas) from the US to Canada who weren't fighting amongst themselves to have or not to have their land taken. They were completely attacked from outside that group, from people who had never lived there and have had treaties drawn up which have been and still are violated.

Long-distance trading did not prevent warfare among the indigenous peoples. For instance, archaeology and the tribes' oral histories have contributed to an understanding that the Iroquois' conducted invasions and warfare about 1200 CE against tribes in the Ohio River area of present-day Kentucky. Finally they drove many to migrate west to their historically traditional lands west of the Mississippi River. Tribes originating in the Ohio Valley who moved west included the Osage, Kaw, Ponca and Omaha people. By the mid-17th century, they had resettled in their historical lands in present-day Kansas, Nebraska, Arkansas and Oklahoma. The Osage warred with native Caddo-speaking Native Americans, displacing them in turn by the mid-18th century and dominating their new historical territories.[32]

Originally Posted by Hands Sandon

Bollocks!

I've never seen you post so many excuses for your government and this issue is not nuanced at all. A bunch of terrorist invaders killed people and stole their land. You can dance around it all day but it won't hide where your sympathies lie.