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post #81 of 156
Really? Just, really? M$ copying Apple (and others) with every damn thing has just become so blatant and pathetic it's beyond imagination. And they're so bad at it. Without a monopoly, they've got nothing.

And this set-top box idea is really stupid. If they were smart, they would evolve the Playsta... err, Xbox into a single gaming/set-top box device. Leverage the product they already have. It would actually differentiate them from the competition, and give them a leg up.

Imagine a single box that plays HD (Blu-ray) discs, the latest games, and can stream HD content from connected PCs and the Internet. Nobody has that right now. I would be tempted to buy one; actually, I would buy one if it could play industry standard formats (aac, h.264) besides proprietary wma crap.

Oh, wait, sorry, Microsoft, please go ahead and build a separate set-top box, yes please go ahead, that's a good plan...
post #82 of 156
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Originally Posted by mytdave View Post

Really? Just, really? M$ copying Apple (and others) with every damn thing has just become so blatant and pathetic it's beyond imagination. And they're so bad at it. Without a monopoly, they've got nothing.

And this set-top box idea is really stupid. If they were smart, they would evolve the Playsta... err, Xbox into a single gaming/set-top box device. Leverage the product they already have. It would actually differentiate them from the competition, and give them a leg up.

Imagine a single box that plays HD (Blu-ray) discs, the latest games, and can stream HD content from connected PCs and the Internet. Nobody has that right now. I would be tempted to buy one; actually, I would buy one if it could play industry standard formats (aac, h.264) besides proprietary wma crap.

Oh, wait, sorry, Microsoft, please go ahead and build a separate set-top box, yes please go ahead, that's a good plan...

it's called the Playstation 3
post #83 of 156
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Originally Posted by Firefly7475 View Post

God some people must get laughed at in the real world. Apple TV was originally released January 2007 and Media Center was original released in July 2002.

That took 30 seconds of my time and Wikipedia, which I know for a fact 6 year old kids can use these days to verify information.

Get a clue or be a joke. Those are the options.

Back on track... I wish I could go into an exec meeting at Microsoft and systematically crack the heads together of everyone present.

First they back Media Center, then they essentially stop updating it for a couple of years and focus on Xbox... which happens to have a Media Center Extender... which requires a full PC running the somewhat supported Win 7 Media Center to work... but then to Xbox they add the Marketplace for movies and cable TV over the internet (AFAIK Australia only ATM) outside of the Media Center Extender functionality...

...just as it looks like they are going to focus on the Xbox as their living room device (games/marketplace/IPTV and Silverlight support for an extended "App Store") this news leaks which puts the focus back on Media Center.

There is nothing wrong with two devices for two different markets, but relevant functionality needs to be supported on both platforms. If they are going with Media Center on Windows 7 Embedded it needs to support everything the Xbox does. A better idea would be to move the existing Media Center functionality into the Xbox.

In any case Microsoft have flip-flopped on this for almost a decade now. It's time to pick a strategy.

Yea, but if you want to play this game, you need to realize a few things -

The AppleTV is not the same thing as M$ Windows Media Center, which requires a full PC.

Apple's answer to WMC would be Front Row, not AppleTV. Front Row is just an app included with MacOS X, so no special OS or PC needed, runs on every Mac. It was released in 2005.

But this was not Apple's first foray into the living room. Prior to AppleTV was Front Row, prior to Front Row was Pippin (a failure) in 1995, and prior to that was MacintoshTV (also a failure) in 1993.

Apple has been at this for a long time, and it seems that AppleTV might be the 1st successful foot in the door for media control in the living room.
post #84 of 156
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Originally Posted by emulator View Post

You are late with that joke at least 8 years.

it's gonna be a modified XBOX anyway. And whether you take it or not, M$ have better experience in that field than Apple.

I agree, thats how Id do it if I were themNOT use a stripped-down version of Windows" as the article suggests, but make it a locked-down, reliable console/appliance, like AppleTV and XBox, that doesnt try to be Windows (or any other desktop-derived OS).

However, saying Microsoft has better experience in Xbox set-top boxes than Apple doesnt mean much. For instance, they could base a car GPS on a modified Xbox and it still wouldnt give them more experience with successful GPS products than Garmin or Nuvi!

It does give them more experience with traditional game consoles. If this set-top box is a traditional game console (which it may be: an XBox Jr.?) then THAT feature is the area where Microsoft has a head start.

(Although I hear Apples iOS has achieved some gaming success too. Thats a head start for future TV gaming if Apple sees fit.)

The main benefit of Apples device is, of course, that it actually exists... It seems that Apples competitors are always pitting next years imaginary product against last years Apple product. Time travel competition!

That said, I think this info is hoax or badly-distorted half-truth. Especially the idea of selling a $200 box.
post #85 of 156
I already have Widows CE based boxes that could stream video from a Windows Media PC if they let it. It's called AT&T U-verse. I have to say I it's OK, but not great. Still better than the Comcast software/boxes we had before. AT7T allows music streaming but not Video streaming, likely to prevent it from being more useful and make you use their on-demend over your own video downloads. Also, the Win CE DRM is ridiculous. You can't even play your DVR recordings without the stream to get decrypt keys.

Still, when I read this I thought "Yeah, now you can have the Blue Screen of Death on your TV!".

Oh yeah, You can use an XBOX 360 as an AT&T U-verse set top box and have streaming features if you want to pay them to let you use it, plus the software and installation fee of $99+.
post #86 of 156
Microsloth couldn't "take on" Apple if their life depended on it, which is does actually. Only a certified moron would take seriously these outlandish claims from the star screwup of the computer industry.

Even the act of publishing these ridiculous stories without a derisive footnote is kissing Microsloth's ass. It looks to me like ass-kissing and delusional thinking has completely taken over the field of high-tech journalism. Whatever Microsloth says, everybody prints. Without question or comment. Pitiful.
post #87 of 156
This report sounds pretty suspect. Microsoft already has a $200 Windows TV product - it's called the Xbox 360. Why would someone buy a Windows TV box for $200 when all Microsoft could just continue to work out licensing deals and release software upgrades for the 360 to get the same functionality as Windows TV?

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Imagine a single box that plays HD (Blu-ray) discs, the latest games, and can stream HD content from connected PCs and the Internet. Nobody has that right now. I would be tempted to buy one; actually, I would buy one if it could play industry standard formats (aac, h.264) besides proprietary wma crap.

My PS3 does all of that.
post #88 of 156
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Originally Posted by mytdave View Post

Really? Just, really? M$ copying Apple (and others) with every damn thing has just become so blatant and pathetic it's beyond imagination. And they're so bad at it. Without a monopoly, they've got nothing.

And this set-top box idea is really stupid. If they were smart, they would evolve the Playsta... err, Xbox into a single gaming/set-top box device. Leverage the product they already have. It would actually differentiate them from the competition, and give them a leg up.

Imagine a single box that plays HD (Blu-ray) discs, the latest games, and can stream HD content from connected PCs and the Internet. Nobody has that right now. I would be tempted to buy one; actually, I would buy one if it could play industry standard formats (aac, h.264) besides proprietary wma crap.

Oh, wait, sorry, Microsoft, please go ahead and build a separate set-top box, yes please go ahead, that's a good plan...

Ignorance is bliss.

Minus the BR support the 360 and a Windows Media Center PC already do what you ask. I have over 200 movies in h.264 format, and thousands of songs, mostly in aac format on a NAS box and I can play them on any Windows 7 computer and my 360 with no 3rd party apps. I would imagine this new box can do the same.
post #89 of 156
....

Period

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The interface is so busy and the menus are driven like Samsung cellphone menus from 5 years ago. Where you have to drive down 3 menus to check your messages.

Horrible.

Advertisements are put at equal level to key features. I'm ready to throw our X-box in the trash.


You have to "log-in" to "xbox live" to watch Netflix... and then have to drive down menus to get to that point.... insane.

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Originally Posted by AppleSauce007 View Post

Once Apple reached the million unit mark, it triggered an alarm in Redmond which turns on the photocopy machine. At least Balmer now has his photocopying machine focused on Apple and is prepared to at least try to compete. Balmer and the MS board are kind of late again and I don't see the infrastructure to connect to but...

LOL...it's an old photocopy machine, circa 1983.

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i'm not at all suggesting that Apple is THE progenitor of all great ideas however why is it that when Apple is involved in a certain category of product somehow legitimizes it for bigger companies such as Microsoft, now Google, to enter even if that category of product had already existed before Apple's entry?

Ummm.... Bigger companies??? That leaves Exxon-Mobile.

Apple is the second largest US company by market cap -- $60 Billion bigger than MSFT.
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post #92 of 156
For fer *#$%& sake, Google and Microsoft should just rename themselves second and third fiddle and be done with it.

Do either of them do anything nowadays beyond following in Apple's footsteps? That's been Microsoft's M.O. for ages, but Google...? I kind of miss the old days when Google used to pull out these crazy ideas from left field and did them better than anyone else and changed the way people worked. I can remember standing around talking with people about how awesome Google Maps was and Gmail and other things. Nowadays, nobody is talking about anything Google does in that oh-my-god-how-did-they-come-up-with-that-idea way. Everything they do is a copy of Apple which is boring.
post #93 of 156
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i'm not at all suggesting that Apple is THE progenitor of all great ideas however why is it that when Apple is involved in a certain category of product somehow legitimizes it for bigger companies such as Microsoft, now Google, to enter even if that category of product had already existed before Apple's entry?

Because Apple tends not to enter a market using the same failed methods used in the past. Just look at the iPad with an entirely new UI made with CocoaTouch over iOS, instead of trying to shoehorn Mac OS X into a tablet form factor and saying its god enough. Since they focus on UX and work with both the HW and SW they have the unique position of doing things differently. The downside is that their copycats can come in and easily take OS marketshare since they tend to use multiple vendors, though taking profit from Apple has proven to be less successful.


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Ummm.... Bigger companies??? That leaves Exxon-Mobile.

Apple is the second largest US company by market cap -- $60 Billion bigger than MSFT.

That depends on tanias focus. Big could refer to revenue, to profit, to number of employees, to presence in certain product areas, etc.
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post #94 of 156
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Or could just have a Kinnect sensor and not buttons.

Ha! Given that I'm a Dirty Old Man...

My first thought was that there might be a lot of action occurring on the couch (or the bed) in front of the TV.

Which gestures will Kinnect recognize -- and what action will Kinnect take?

Initiating a video call to Mom could be embarrassing...

Edit: Of course if it were a GoogleTV, it would just record and upload the video to YouTube.
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Ha! Given that I'm a Dirty Old Man...

My first thought was that there might be a lot of action occurring on the couch (or the bed) in front of the TV.

Which gestures will Kinnect recognize -- and what action will Kinnect take?

Initiating a video call to Mom could be embarrassing...

Edit: Of course if it were a GoogleTV, it would just record and upload the video to YouTube.

Although there is a chance you might be saved by a RRoD or BSoD. ^_^

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post #96 of 156
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Originally Posted by bettieblue View Post

A Mac could not do what Windows Media Center PC could do with out 3rd party software. I think this new device will be a third option. You will have....

Windows Media Center PC
Xbox 360
New Device

All three will pretty much do the same thing when it comes to TV viewing, stream internet content from Microsofts store like the 360 has done for 5 years now, stream media from a Windows PC, (Like Apple TV does with iTunes on a computer), have plugins like "Netflix" like the 360/Media Center have had for a while now.

I think each device may have some unique capabilities like a TV tuner card in a Windows Media Center PC. The 360 can play your Zune Pass content, I would imagine that this could be put in the new device as well.

The new device will target people that dont want a 360 and dont want full blown Windows Media Center PC, and at a cheaper price.

Hey Betty, nice post. For once I'm agreeing with your points. There's hope for 2011, eh?
post #97 of 156
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Ignorance is bliss.

Minus the BR support the 360 and a Windows Media Center PC already do what you ask. I have over 200 movies in h.264 format, and thousands of songs, mostly in aac format on a NAS box and I can play them on any Windows 7 computer and my 360 with no 3rd party apps. I would imagine this new box can do the same.

Sounds interesting, some features must be new... And can you get to, say, Hulu or Netflix without logging into "Xbox Live"? Can streaming from PCs work without a WMC PC? What about their online "Marketplace"? Is there anything there? What is the deal with the stupidity of buying "Microsoft Points"?

If M$ is sooo close to having a box that will really do everything, why don't they drop the crappy parts, improve the streaming, fix the complexity, and market the heck out of their cool toy, instead of saying they'll make a separate set-top box?

The Xbox now might have some features that are pushing it in the right direction... Still, the box I'm looking for needs to do BD, have unfettered Internet access, streaming from PCs in standard formats (particularly non-Windows PCs), gaming, run some "apps", and all with a simple nice UI controllable from the couch with an iPod/iPhone (and Android).

Some posters are saying PS3 can do it... I'll look into it. The last time I checked though, *nobody* has that kind of box, like I said before.
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Which is why this product [Windows-based set top box] doesn't make any sense. Microsoft needs to accept the fact that Windows as a brand just doesn't carry positive expectations. (This is problematic for Windows Phone 7 as well.) People aren't going to buy something because they call it Windows TV. If anything, the name will be off-putting: Windows, in the public consciousness, equals complicated, hard to manage, something will always go wrong. Nor is the Windows interface useful in this type of product, so, very likely, this will have as much to do with Windows as WP7 does.

What would make sense, especially now that they've moved into the family oriented living room with Kinect (Xbox alone was always a bit of a geek/gamer toy) is to release something like this under the Xbox brand, make it work as an Xbox accessory or standalone, call it Xbox Theater or something like that, forget Windows entirely but throw in the best, easiest to use Media Center features (rebranded, simplified, ...) and they could have a winner.

They really need to give up on the Windows Everywhere strategy. It's been a failure to the point where now all they use is the name, and it's time to realize that the name isn't helping them either.

I have no experience with XBox or Kinect. I did play around some with Windows Media Center -- not really impressed.

In reading your post, I agree that a name "Windows" anything; might have a negative connotation and send the wrong messages to the potential buyer -- difficult to setup, difficultly to use, open to bugs and viruses, difficult to maintain.


From what I read, a name "XBox" anything; has a similar, negative, connotation.


Rather, MS' most recent big success is "Kinect".


Far be it for me to help MS do anything -- but wouldn't they be better off calling it "KinecTV™", "KinectTV™" or even "KinecTVity™".

Any one of these has a nice ring to it, implies "being connected" (iHub), and parlays the recent success of Kinect.

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post #99 of 156
Even if a very cool media center were available from multiple vendors, with very similar features, my guess is Apple would be the only one that paid any attention to design and GUI.

It's my understanding that Xbox has a noisy fan? If not, I stand corrected.

I want something small, sleek, black and silent next to my TV. Minimal cords. Easy to use. Full featured.

If Apple TV had the content of the satellite and cable operators at a serious discount to their crazy pricing, I'd be all over it.
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Also, because of good deals on Blu-rays this holiday season I stocked up on some quality titles for a lot less than it would have cost me to buy a sort-of-HD version from Apple. The pressure is on for Blu-Ray p[ricing to drop to reasonable levels and as that happens, Apple will not be able to continue to charge $20 CDN for a download that is HD of the most minimal quality.

I'm curious and not trying to be snarky (has hell frozen over?). Just what are the advantages that BR brings to the home theater? I've been to Best Buy and Fry's in the past year and have spent time viewing BR movies on various TVs, and I honestly can't see a difference in quality between Br and conventional DVDs. Granted I'm an old fart and need glasses for reading but my farsightedness is still as good as any youngster's (according to a recent exam by my ophthalmologist), and I just can't see any marked difference.

What am I missing here that gets everyone in one corner or the other in an arena (especially when discussing BR vis-a-vis Apple/Steve Jobs)?
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Far be it for me to help MS do anything -- but wouldn't they be better off calling it "Kinect TV" or even "KinnecTVity".

Either has a nice ring to it, implies "being connected" (iHub), and parlays the recent success of Kinnect.

Whoops, there go my shares of AAPL.

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I'm curious and not trying to be snarky (has hell frozen over?). Just what are the advantages that BR brings to the home theater? I've been to Best Buy and Fry's in the past year and have spent time viewing BR movies on various TVs, and I honestly can't see a difference in quality between Br and conventional DVDs. Granted I'm an old fart and need glasses for reading but my farsightedness is still as good as any youngster's (according to a recent exam by my ophthalmologist), and I just can't see any marked difference.

What am I missing here that gets everyone in one corner or the other in an arena (especially when discussing BR vis-a-vis Apple/Steve Jobs)?

Blu-ray video quality depends a lot on the TV/Projector/Monitor you are using to view it.

Same with sound - you need a decent surround-sound system, properly set up and configured, to really experience the advantage in HD sound that Blu-ray provides.

I personally own a low-end 32" LCD HDTV, which, compared to what I had before is 1000% better in terms of picture quality. I also have a decent 5.1 surround home theater sound system (although not set up in a surround-sound configuration).

But I'm not going to get nearly as much out of the Blu-ray experience as someone with, say, a 52" OLED HDTV with a high-end 7.1 surround system.

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I'm curious and not trying to be snarky (has hell frozen over?). Just what are the advantages that BR brings to the home theater? I've been to Best Buy and Fry's in the past year and have spent time viewing BR movies on various TVs, and I honestly can't see a difference in quality between Br and conventional DVDs. Granted I'm an old fart and need glasses for reading but my farsightedness is still as good as any youngster's (according to a recent exam by my ophthalmologist), and I just can't see any marked difference.

What am I missing here that gets everyone in one corner or the other in an arena (especially when discussing BR vis-a-vis Apple/Steve Jobs)?

i have a 42" LCD TV. my father in law has a 47" LED backlit LG TV.
I have a PS3 and he has a regular DVD player.

last month i bought the combo Pixar's Cars on Blu-Ray and DVD for my older son. on his TV all the colors look washed out and you can tell there is pixelation and kind of static. on my PS3 it looks almost photorealistic.

i even noticed the difference years ago when i first saw it in the store. watching a movie on blu-ray that was filmed with hi-def cameras is like looking outside the window
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Sounds interesting, some features must be new... And can you get to, say, Hulu or Netflix without logging into "Xbox Live"? Can streaming from PCs work without a WMC PC? What about their online "Marketplace"? Is there anything there? What is the deal with the stupidity of buying "Microsoft Points"?

If M$ is sooo close to having a box that will really do everything, why don't they drop the crappy parts, improve the streaming, fix the complexity, and market the heck out of their cool toy, instead of saying they'll make a separate set-top box?

The Xbox now might have some features that are pushing it in the right direction... Still, the box I'm looking for needs to do BD, have unfettered Internet access, streaming from PCs in standard formats (particularly non-Windows PCs), gaming, run some "apps", and all with a simple nice UI controllable from the couch with an iPod/iPhone (and Android).

Some posters are saying PS3 can do it... I'll look into it. The last time I checked though, *nobody* has that kind of box, like I said before.


the PS3 GUI sucks, at least compared to the x-box. they are similar but the x-box is a lot easier to navigate
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A bit off topic, but one thing Ive been wanting for years is a standardized way for TVs to act as passthroughs for the IR sensor and now a camera. Not unlike PC monitors. It would be nice to a FaceTime camera on any number of TVs Apple seems to be dropping iSight to market the new term that could be used by the AppleTV or other media extender appliances or HTPCs as the user sees fit.

Woz, when he left Apple, started a company called Cloud 9.

His first product was Tyron -- A small device that attached to any remote and amplified the IR signal and beamed it in every direction. You did not need to point the remote at the TV, VCR, Stereo, etc.

His second product was an universal, programmable (and a lot more) remote called Core. Core was an Apple //c in a handheld device about the size of a remote.

It could learn from other remotes, be manually programmed (with its keys) or connected to a computer and programmed with a computer app. It even had an SDK.

The Core included the amplified, multi-directional IR signal of the Tyron. It also included an LCD display, clock, timers and a scripting language.

For example you could easily program the Core to Turn on your VCR, rewind the Tape, switch the channel and record for 30 minutes starting at 9:00 PM on Tuesday...

Quite advanced for its time.



AIR, the Core cost $99.

http://www.ktronicslc.com/core.html


As to a camera and FaceTime on the large screen -- be careful what you wish for!

See my post related to Kinect at:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...86#post1777386

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I already have Widows CE based boxes that could stream video from a Windows Media PC if they let it. It's called AT&T U-verse. I have to say I it's OK, but not great. Still better than the Comcast software/boxes we had before. AT7T allows music streaming but not Video streaming, likely to prevent it from being more useful and make you use their on-demend over your own video downloads. Also, the Win CE DRM is ridiculous. You can't even play your DVR recordings without the stream to get decrypt keys.

Still, when I read this I thought "Yeah, now you can have the Blue Screen of Death on your TV!".

Oh yeah, You can use an XBOX 360 as an AT&T U-verse set top box and have streaming features if you want to pay them to let you use it, plus the software and installation fee of $99+.

If the ATT U-verse box is a WinCE computer -- better they make it stream to AppleTV, iPads, iPhones and iPod Touches using AirPlay.

Erica Sadun has some apps in development that

1) let AirPlay iDevices stream to Mac app: AirPlayer.

http://www.macworld.com/article/1564...airplayer.html

2) let a Mac (and Maybe a PC) stream to an AppleTV (or another Mac): AirFlick.

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/12/20/airfl...y-data-server/


I would like the U-verse box to be able to stream (different streams) to multiple iPads as well as the TV.
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Betcha 50 bucks that the remote for Microsoft TV (or whatever they will call it) will have a minimum of 50 buttons. (As compared to the Apple TV's 7 buttons.)

My five year old figured out how to use Apple TV in about 5 minutes..... enough said.
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My five year old figured out how to use Apple TV in about 5 minutes..... enough said.

My 4 year old can navigate around Windows Media Center with ease. He loves watching Thomas the Tank Engine on Netflix.

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Sounds interesting, some features must be new... And can you get to, say, Hulu or Netflix without logging into "Xbox Live"? Can streaming from PCs work without a WMC PC? What about their online "Marketplace"? Is there anything there? What is the deal with the stupidity of buying "Microsoft Points"?

If M$ is sooo close to having a box that will really do everything, why don't they drop the crappy parts, improve the streaming, fix the complexity, and market the heck out of their cool toy, instead of saying they'll make a separate set-top box?

The Xbox now might have some features that are pushing it in the right direction... Still, the box I'm looking for needs to do BD, have unfettered Internet access, streaming from PCs in standard formats (particularly non-Windows PCs), gaming, run some "apps", and all with a simple nice UI controllable from the couch with an iPod/iPhone (and Android).

Some posters are saying PS3 can do it... I'll look into it. The last time I checked though, *nobody* has that kind of box, like I said before.

The problem with the PS3 is that it is kinda similar to Apple .mp4 based, but also FAT32 4gb file limit too.... The Sony Home Media center on the other hand can read just about anything, if Sony put that functionality into the PS3 then it would be a no brainer. I hate to spend yet another $100 an another box to achieve this, got too many boxes on top of the TV already.
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My 4 year old can navigate around Windows Media Center with ease. He loves watching Thomas the Tank Engine on Netflix.

The world may or may not be getting warmer, but the kids are definitely getting smarter.... mine can fire up my win machine and get his Mickey Mouse game playing by himself, the only help he needs is scooting the chair up close. I'm useful for something...
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The problem with the PS3 is that it is kinda similar to Apple .mp4 based, but also FAT32 4gb file limit too.... The Sony Home Media center on the other hand can read just about anything, if Sony put that functionality into the PS3 then it would be a no brainer. I hate to spend yet another $100 an another box to achieve this, got too many boxes on top of the TV already.

i can put a USB stick with a movie into my PS3 and play it and it will even upconvert it to HD quality. will the sony home media center do it?
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Even if a very cool media center were available from multiple vendors, with very similar features, my guess is Apple would be the only one that paid any attention to design and GUI.

It's my understanding that Xbox has a noisy fan? If not, I stand corrected.

I want something small, sleek, black and silent next to my TV. Minimal cords. Easy to use. Full featured.

If Apple TV had the content of the satellite and cable operators at a serious discount to their crazy pricing, I'd be all over it.

In their standard configuration both PS3 and XBOX are noisy as hell. The newer slim ones may be a little better but certainly not the FAT ones. There are mods available which I am looking into, other than that I like my PS3 more than the xbox.
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My five year old figured out how to use Apple TV in about 5 minutes..... enough said.

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My 4 year old can navigate around Windows Media Center with ease. He loves watching Thomas the Tank Engine on Netflix.

My 10-year-old grandson's 71-year-old grandfather can navigate the AppleTV with a 1-n button remote with full menus, images and text -- an iPhone or an iPad running the Free Remote app. He didn't have to learn anything -- it works the same way that everything on iDevices works: simple and intuitive! When the kids are not around he loves watching: "Debbie does"... er, ah, forget it!

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Microsoft! Please give it up! Why are you adding one more product to your grave yard list? Save the money and actually put into something that you have right now which is sort of game changer - Think about expandingyour Kinect and try to make it main-stream and not just for XBOX 360. After a long time you might have something that is innovative!
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i can put a USB stick with a movie into my PS3 and play it and it will even upconvert it to HD quality. will the sony home media center do it?

I haven't bought the Home Media Center (yet) I'm in research mode at the moment. What format is your stick drive and file type for the movie on it? I put a 500 gb hdd in my PS3 with the idea of adding movies to it, but i don't want to re encode stuff to .mp4 @ less than 4gb.
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I think M$ should try to bring back and modernize Microsoft Bob.

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Windows Media Centre is not bad and neither is Xbox. MS have some experience in this area and their chances are better than Google's at least.

The problem is they are good. That's it. Not more. And when they try to put both functionalities of these together, no one can falter more than Microsoft. Well, other than Google that is..!
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Microsoft is SO freakin dumb.

They already have their MSTV. It's called XBOX 360.
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