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post #41 of 85
I just read a garbage article by Matt Asay on The Register. Here is the link:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01...d_beats_apple/

And here's my response:
This article is plain blasphemy! I would have thought that a man with a stature like Matt Asay would have understood why iPhone is so succcesful. But no, he seems to think open source will win. No developer makes money on Android. Angry Birds is ad-supported on Android, but that how it works on Android. Open source is bad for software developers. If you want to make money writing software on Android, forget about it. Open-source platforms like Linux is great for writing Java enterprise apps, which are for in-house use, but not for selling to consumers. Asay seems to think that just because Android is open-source, it can win. What a terrible mistake! And you are quoting a developer Whereoscope who obviously has a beef about Apple and can't make money on iOS. The volume Android has in the US is all on Verizon, and Verizon customers have no choice but to use Android or Blackberry, which is uncompetitive. If iPhone is available on Verizon, it will completely demolish Android. And Apple just had a record holiday quarter. Make my words! Those naysayers will keep saying bad things about Apple will never win!

Btw, Google doesnt make any money on Android itself. It makes money from the ads it sells on Android. Android is just a hobby for Google. Apple will continue making billions. Who's laughing in the end? Verizon will become Apple's new Valentine, and completely demolishes Android.
post #42 of 85
The windows tablet they're selling has some key problems that they didn't talk about at CES (obviously, why discuss your shortcomings? =)

The unit is about 5lbs with everything included: tablet, jacket, keyboard and power brick. If you're going to travel anywhere with it you need all 4 of these things to keep it useful. It doesn't get the all day battery life of an iPad, so you need the power brick. The tablet itself is hefty, 2.5lbs alone, heavier than an 11" MBA at 2.3lbs. This alone is failboat in my book. You can get 5 real hours of usage with a MBA or 3.5 hours of usage at best from a win7 tablet with no keyboard or mouse.

You could shave 1lb on the travel weight by leaving the jacket behind and maybe relying on keeping it in a backpack, but you just paid $1000 for a tablet... are you really going to trust that you won't drop it? Especially since it's a hefty 2.5lbs.

The screen is slightly higher res on the MBA too (1366x768).

It appears to have good horsepower, but by not compromising on speed at all I think they made a big mistake: this is too similar to the pc tablets from a decade ago. Too heavy, too little battery, software that isn't written or tuned for the form factor. Some people might be thinking this will be a good Photoshop tablet with the stylus, until they use one. Then they'll realize that paying $1000 for a tablet that's too heavy to be used in any practical fashion doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and they would've been better off just getting a notebook or a desktop. This is why these slates failed 10 years ago.

I don't have any of this criticism for the android based tablets ASUS is offering. Those will all be iPad 2 competitors, and their problem is they aren't shipping yet. They won't ship for several months, probably after the iPad 2 ships, and by then I believe they've already lost the battle. The ASUS android tablets will likely be comparable on weight, hardware, price and battery life relative to an iPad 2, and they'll differentiate on software. And for most people under most circumstances Apple will have the advantage in software.

Apple will have their 70-ish% share of tablets in 2011. I'm sure Asus will be a major player in the 'other' 30% category. But their win7 tablet is DOA for all the reasons outlined here.
post #43 of 85
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Originally Posted by Ecphorizer View Post

For some strange reason the British Empire began considering companies and such as plural (in the late 1700s IIRC), so you see such jarring lack of agreement such as "Microsoft have...", "HP do...", and "Apple aren't...". Get used to it as you can't change a culture and its language (note that the "its" doesn't have an apostrophe!).

Its the same vein as other plural nouns. For instance, People take issue with VAT increase could be a headline, but you wouldnt write or say People takes issue with VAT increase. I believe this is standard everywhere English is spoken, the only difference seems to be in how Americans refer to plural proper nouns.
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post #44 of 85
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Originally Posted by HahaHaha321 View Post

What is this nonsense about Android phones as "iPhone clones"? What does that have to do with anything? Does the person who wrote this article have any professionalism? I love Apple as much as the next guy, but it is not necessary to belittle the competition when you write an article. Leave it to the commentators.

Um no he does not. He is the most biased blogger on the internet.
post #45 of 85
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Perhaps not, but that's a matter of style instead of being a grammar problem.

It could work. Cheney aimed a "scattershot" at a bird back in 2006 and just like ASUS it missed its target.

It's not about style, but context. It's contextually incorrect to take aim while firing scattershots at the target.

You might as well say, ``Asus is choosing a shotgun approach to blasting the competition, with a heavy dose of buck shot, by way of it's diverse line of embedded handhelds all intended to compete against the Apple iPad.''
post #46 of 85
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Originally Posted by qacjared View Post

Please proofread the titles. There's a subject-verb agreement issue in the title of this article. ASUS is one company so the verb 'to take' should not be conjugated plurally. Instead it should be in the singular.



And shouldn't there be an "a" before "scattershot?"

There's a bit of history behind whether the name of a company should be considered singular or plural. Since in the great American tradition I am making up this "bit of history", I will keep it vague and without references.

Several years ago a "tech journalist" was writing an article about Apple, Inc. [at that time known as Apple Computer, Inc (what else is there for a "tech journalist to write about other than Vista)]. Having just consumed a 5 liter box of wine, he managed to turn out a fantastic article which was widely plagiarized. Unfortunately instead of saying "Apple is" as the rules of English and human decency demanded, he wrote "Apple are". With "Apple are" now appearing all over the web and even showing up in notes placed in bottles and recovered from the ocean, the mistake spread worldwide and was soon mistaken for a bandwagon. All of those who are attracted to bandwagons immediately jumped on board and the bandwagon turned into a steamroller leaving a few of us behind in the dust. Short of applying interdiction of fire and wine to all journalists I see no way of stopping this type of activity.

Several hundred boxes of wine later, the "journalist" developed a degenerative brain disease and went into marketing where he gained fame by referring to a notebook computer as being "1.17 inches thin". Recently he has interviewed for the CEO position of a software company with a market capitalization which rivals that of Apple, Inc.
post #47 of 85
Leaving the plural noun debate aside, the way I see it the grammatical issue with the title surrounds using an adjective in place of a noun -- probably a spelling oversight.


As written, "scattershot" is an adjective. Unless used for creative effect, "Aim" and "Scattershot" are incongruent.

Dictionary.com: "delivered over a wide area and at random; generalized and indiscriminate."



Written as a noun, "scatter shot" works. The "scatter shot" is composed of Android and Windows products.

Dictionary.com: Scatter Shot: "shot prepared for a weapon having a rifled bore or barrel."
post #48 of 85
Vivek Gowri at Anandtech has posted a good overview of the Asus product announcement.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4085/a...-slate-tablets
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post #50 of 85
More Apple roadkill. Move along. STILL nothing to see.
post #51 of 85
And the average person is going to do what with all that windows bloat? Nothing!
The ipad condenses what people do most of the time into a neat, powerful long lasting(battery-wise) package. Period.
post #52 of 85
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But their win7 tablet is DOA for all the reasons outlined here.

I'm actually pretty excited about the ASUS Sandy Bridge Tablet. It'll be soon before someone will figure out how to install OSX on one of this thing. The big win of course is its IPS screen, far superior than any MacBook screens.
post #53 of 85
Who is in his/her right mind would buy a crap hardware with a crap OS. Google = the fastest copy machine of iOS

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post #54 of 85
I don't see any of these devices... or anything Android/Chrome/MS/WebOS flavored denting Apple's iOS in the "consumer-device" category in 2011.

Many reasons have already been stated here across 100's of threads and comments, but I think the biggest reason that will emerge in 2011 (Summer) is viruses, trojans, phishing, etc. So-called "open" is well...open for any and all, and MS already has a wonderful track record. Android is catching up. You could almost include Vendor/Carrier apps in this, since it forces some people to root their devices. With fragmented and assorted stores popping up all over, offering shared, cracked, pirated, etc., this will be a big problem for these devices.

Forget about "sandboxing" too. If an app is "re-built" for phishing your contacts, and is available "free" from website "X" or Buddy Y... and then further passed around from friend to friend over the internet or USB (#2 selling point behind #1 Flash)... well, you get the point. Sounds like the Windows experience all over again, just like The Register article stated. IMHO, you gotta state the good with the bad on that very possible prediction of Android eclipsing iOS and having the largest marketshare.

Re: Pirating: what will developers need to do to have a "pay-day"?... serve ever more ads throughout their Apps... many more! What happens when Flash gets to play a part creating all of those interactive mandatory ads. I shudder to think(!)

Flash: Can't wait to hear what that does to these Tablets. I'm thinking: "Upside-Down and Sunnyside-Up" scenarios. Could be a feature for campers(?).

How will any of the above be a better user experience, even "IF" Honeycomb is a really great OS, or MS can "really" get Win7 to work well on these devices, or WebOS is the most elegant competition to iOS?

On the positive side: I DO see these devices selling boatloads to the enterprise though.

Similar to IE6/Windows... they will be "good-enough" and cheaply priced in bulk to definitely be attractive to businesses running locked-down devices and vetted backend-systems and programs, with a full-time IT staff.

As an aside, marketshare statistics are useless unless categorized. I would hope eventually, that it would be broken down into consumer and enterprise numbers and graphs. Because just as with web browser statistics, saying that iE6 still dominates, is not telling the whole story. Just like including RIM in any statistics vs. iOS is misleading. How many "consumers" freely purchase RIM phones?

Summary:
1) I firmly believe that Android/MS/WebOS = enterprise device, as with the Galaxy and Slate;
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2) Apple will (continue to) dominate the consumer-device category in 2011.

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post #55 of 85
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I don't believe that number for a moment. My parents' brand new Dell laptop running an i3 won't get 5 hours, I just do not believe a tablet with a smaller battery will get 5 hours on Windows whilst running any meaningful application. Also, name 5 touch-based Windows programs...

I think these devices miss the point of a tablet. A tablet brings the idea of being one-piece, solid, integrated. The iPad keyboard dock is not touted as part of the product itself, it's an accessory. This Asus device just feels like a laptop that snaps in half. The slide out keyboard one is potentially nice, but how would you rest it on something to work? Why would you? You want these in one hand while you touch them with the other, not balancing it to use a keyboard.

Crucially, people aren't looking for a tablet for having a tablet's sake. The iPad has eaten into netbook market share, i.e. low-price laptops. For the prices of these Asus devices, people will just buy laptops.

There'll be people who like these, but I don't think they'll be big sellers personally.

My thoughts too. It is almost a sign of desperation IMO to try to soak up some of the sales of confused buyers. They, like many are in disarray running around like chickens with their heads cut off thanks to iOS and iPad.
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post #56 of 85
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Originally Posted by HahaHaha321 View Post

What is this nonsense about Android phones as "iPhone clones"? What does that have to do with anything? Does the person who wrote this article have any professionalism? I love Apple as much as the next guy, but it is not necessary to belittle the competition when you write an article. Leave it to the commentators.

Are you kidding ? Perhaps get your fingers out of your nose and do some research.
They started off with a Blackberry clone and suddenly changed to an iPhone clone.
This action reeks of copyism in any language.
This is a fact and the author of the article can include this fact if they want to.
post #57 of 85
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Who's trolling?

Anyway...

I think it's great Apple is getting more competition. It will only cause them to get better, really.

You are boring, Apple needs competition so they get better blah blah blah.
I have read this crap so many times.
Let me tell you and others, Apple competes with itself, the others are irrelevant, have been and will always be. Now do you get it ?
post #58 of 85
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Oh come on! You are a brand new account but imply that you've been here before. Your name is "hahaha" and all you ever post is one liners full of hate and bile.

You're the very definition of a troll and clearly someone who has been banned and is just coming back here to grief everyone for kicks. Since I don't like to encourage your type, this will be my only comment to you so feel free to flame away if it makes you feel important (and I know it does).

Well said, like DaHarder, but a little less articulate, but has better concept of Mathematics.
post #59 of 85
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Um no he does not. He is the most biased blogger on the internet.

Your posts are so predictable, you wait for the troll to post and they begin your mini avalanche of hate and bile towards DED.
May I ask why ? Did he father your love child, and leave you to raise it alone ?
Did you have a high school crush on him, but he ignored you for the Cheerleader ?
I feel sorry for you as you appear to have some problems, full of hate, why are you like this ?
post #60 of 85
Windows on a tablet ?
Hasn't this been done before, and it failed miserably ? Why will it be any different today ?
Yes the avalanche of iPad killers is about to begin, it was predicated, so here it comes, no surprise.
But as we all know, they will fight it out amongst themselves, Apple will watch from the sidelines, and SJ will have a chuckle of the spectacle at hand.
There will be hundreds of these tablets out there, how will the consumer differentiate them from one another ? Settle on supposably superior specs ? Road test them like one can do in Apple shops ?
Just a race to the bottom, each outdoing the other until the profit margin is nano thin.
Dejavu me thinks.
post #61 of 85
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Originally Posted by res08hao View Post

I have never seen anyone using an Asus product, and in fact never heard of them.
What ever they make will be a POS.

you don't know dick so why do you pronounce them 'pos'? stupid.
post #62 of 85
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Originally Posted by White Rabbit View Post

Are you kidding ? Perhaps get your fingers out of your nose and do some research.
They started off with a Blackberry clone and suddenly changed to an iPhone clone.
This action reeks of copyism in any language.
This is a fact and the author of the article can include this fact if they want to.

its so true. only an idiot couldn't tell the difference between using a mac and a windows machine. same goes for android vs ios.
post #63 of 85
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

More Apple roadkill. Move along. STILL nothing to see.

the 7 inch tab looks very interesting. its looking like the hardware and software is going to finally merge this year and i like the options.
post #64 of 85
This mockup is just ridiculous.



It's obviously a capacitive touchscreen using a capacitive stylus. But look at the detail in the "handwriting". There's absolutely no way to get that much detail using a Wacom stylus, much less an eraser head capacitive stylus.

This product is vaporware. It'll never happen like this.
post #65 of 85
I like their motherboards (for my gaming boxes) but I don't know if I'd buy a tablet from them. The iPad just has too much of a lead for now, but we'll see later in the year.
post #66 of 85
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I have never seen anyone using an Asus product, and in fact never heard of them.
What ever they make will be a POS.

Then you have been living under a rock.

ASUS makes extreme top-of-the-line PC hardware, geared towards gamers and are very well known and praised in the gamer circle. If you can satisfy the needs of gamers, then you are definitely doing it right.

I regularly buy their hardware when upgrading my desktop because they generally much more bang for the buck than their competitors. And they're usually among the first companies to adopt the latest advancements in hardware design from the source companies (Intel, AMD, nVidia, etc).
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post #67 of 85
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More Apple roadkill. Move along. STILL nothing to see.

I've been following the ASUS tablets since they were rumored and am excited to see some hands-on videos. I'm personally edging towards the model with the slide-out keyboard.

If they are as good as they make them out to be, then it will make Apple roadkill indeed.
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I like their motherboards (for my gaming boxes) but I don't know if I'd buy a tablet from them. The iPad just has too much of a lead for now, but we'll see later in the year.

Same thing as the iPhone. It took Apple's competitors a bit to get moving, but they caught up quick in the last year. I see the same thing happening on the tablet side.
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post #69 of 85
Does Steve Jobs have a patent on the hidden microphone? That Asus executive looks like Justin Timberlake with that Star Trek apparatus appended to his face.
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post #73 of 85
Before the iPhone prototype Android phones looked like Blackberries with plenty of buttons. Look at the photos in the illustrative chart in the article.

For a close up example I'll provide a link:
http://buy-google-phone.com/?p=18

After the iPhone Android phones like the Nexus One look like iPhones and functioned like iPhones with touch vs button interface.

Before iPhone Android phones were Blackberry Clones, after they were iPhone clones.
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Before the iPhone prototype Android phones looked like Blackberries with plenty of buttons. Look at the photos in the illustrative chart in the article.

For a close up example I'll provide a link:
http://buy-google-phone.com/?p=18

After the iPhone Android phones like the Nexus One look like iPhones and functioned like iPhones with touch vs button interface.

Before iPhone Android phones were Blackberry Clones, after they were iPhone clones.

You don't say!

Could it possibly be because at the time, BB OS was the most popular smartphone OS out there? And then after the success of the iPhone with the touch interface, Android switched to that to match where the market was going?

From a purely business sense, would you have continued to keep it the same as BB OS? Look where BB has ended up now and where Android is now. Look down on the decision to switch all you want, but at the end of the day, it was the right choice to make.

And I would hardly call it a pure clone at this point. Both OSs have very similar features, but still have enough of their own features to keep them distinguished. For example, Android's widgets, notification blind, and home screen launcher are things that set it apart from iOS.
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post #75 of 85
OMG someone took Steve Ballmer seriously when he talked about Windows 7 tablets.

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I like their motherboards (for my gaming boxes) but I don't know if I'd buy a tablet from them. The iPad just has too much of a lead for now, but we'll see later in the year.

I wouldn't. A friend of mine got a Eee PC last year and it didn't last.

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On the positive side: I DO see these devices selling boatloads to the enterprise though.

Similar to IE6/Windows... they will be "good-enough" and cheaply priced in bulk to definitely be attractive to businesses running locked-down devices and vetted backend-systems and programs, with a full-time IT staff.

Will they really sell like boatloads though:


Will enterprise employees be required to carry a personal tablet and a business tablet?

I think that battle is already being won.

Consider:

1) Many enterprises already allow employees to choose the smart phone they carry

2) Other enterprises support employees to BYOP -- Bring Your Own Phone.


Also, many enterprises already have budget, trained developers in place, systems designed and solutions being implemented for the iPad. These solutions are designed to give the enterprise a competitive or technological advantage.

Many of these implementations will be completed before most of these new tablets are available in any reasonable quantity and stage of completion.


Seriously. you are the CIO with a proven solution in hand -- the iPad, the SDK, the Developers and the infrastructure. You are 6 months down the road on your projects.


Will you stop, re-evaluate, and repurpose your effort on a whim and a promise -- whatever the price?

Take, the PlayBook, for example? Or any of these new tablets. When will all the necessary pieces be in place -- so that you are confident enough to bet your company's resources (and your CIO job) on them?


The race is already being run and some horses are just approaching the starting gate.


"For wete you well the tyde abydeth no man"


Tablets and Tide wait for no man!

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This mockup is just ridiculous.



It's obviously a capacitive touchscreen using a capacitive stylus. But look at the detail in the "handwriting". There's absolutely no way to get that much detail using a Wacom stylus, much less an eraser head capacitive stylus.

This product is vaporware. It'll never happen like this.

Actually, you can get that level of detail on an iPhone or an iPad -- with your finger or a Pogo stylus.

There are apps that allow you to zoom in and draw/write with brushes or pens of varying thickness.

Then zoom out and you have something similar to what is shown.
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Actually, you can get that level of detail on an iPhone or an iPad -- with your finger or a Pogo stylus.

There are apps that allow you to zoom in and draw/write with brushes or pens of varying thickness.

Then zoom out and you have something similar to what is shown.

When I was in college, I had two different tablet PCs (the ones that swiveled around) and on both of them, the pointer jumped around a lot because I think the digitizers used radio frequencies fired from around the screen to ping a chip in the stylus.

With capacitive screens, I don't see that happening anymore. I think this is because the whole screen is a sensor so you can get pinpoint accurate writing.
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When I was in college, I had two different tablet PCs (the ones that swiveled around) and on both of them, the pointer jumped around a lot because I think the digitizers used radio frequencies fired from around the screen to ping a chip in the stylus.

With capacitive screens, I don't see that happening anymore. I think this is because the whole screen is a sensor so you can get pinpoint accurate writing.

We’ve seen reviews of how different capacitance systems react to slow moving input devices and input near the edge of the display. I think the OP has a valid point when looking at the results from previous tests. Maybe Asus was able to work out a solution to write that well at the edge of a display or maybe that is just a really great stylus, I suppose we’ll find out in 4-10 month when these finally ship. LOL

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