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AT&T has revealed plans to launch new LTE deployment later this year, earlier than expected, with the expectation that the network would be "largely complete" by the end of 2013.

The company previously expected to focus on HSPA+, an update for its existing 3G network that currently gives it bragging rights as the fastest national US mobile network. To combat the extensive and inaccurate marketing surrounding 4G, AT&T is now describing HSPA+ and LTE as both being "layers of network technology to deliver 4G speeds."

HSPA+ is usually considered a "3.5G technology," and is part of the 3GPP Release 7 specification, while LTE is often marketed as "4G" because it uses a new air interface (described in Release 8). However, the actual 3GPP definition of 4G service establishes 100Mbps downloads, something no LTE provider currently comes even close to providing.

Today's LTE is actually a "transitional" step toward real 4G speeds. Verizon says its LTE users should see average download speeds of 5-12Mbps, and uploads of 2-5Mbps. That's much faster than Verizon's existing EvDO 3G service, but less than a tenth of what 4G is supposed to deliver. It's also not faster than today's best 3G HSPA+ service.

Verizon and other CDMA/EvDo carriers (such as those in Canada and Mexico) were unable to upgrade EvDo to make it faster, because that technology is at the end of its life. While other CDMA carriers globally have built out HSPA+ overlays (which have enabled those carriers to support the iPhone), Verizon decided to skip HSPA+ and built out LTE instead.

LTE is not backwardly compatible with existing 3G phones that use either CDMA/EvDo or UMTS/HSPA networks (including the iPhone). Existing LTE simply works differently than HSPA+, but is not currently faster, although the technology will be eventually used to deliver much faster speeds. LTE service is also currently quite expensive as well, with Verizon charging $50 per month for 5GB of data, with $10 per gigabyte overage charges.



HSPA+ and 4G

AT&T's current 3G HSPA+ service is rated at 7.2Mbps downloads and 5.8Mbps uploads, with 14.4Mbps upgrades rolling out in some markets. Other carriers outside the US are operating HSPA+ networks offering speeds of up to 21Mbps, and AT&T reports that its network is capable of 21Mbps speeds, although few devices are capable of using that capacity.

iPhone models since the 3GS have been able to take advantage of 7.2Mbps speeds, and iPhone 4 introduced uploads that can take full advantage of 5.8Mbps uploads. In the real world, AT&T provides typical throughput closer to 1.5Mbps down and 0.7Mbps up, in areas of San Francisco where its service is available. In areas where AT&T has installed enhanced backhaul, the company says users should be able to experience 6Mpbs downloads on existing HSPA devices like the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4.

T-Mobile is also rolling out 21Mbps HSPA+ service, which it initially called "the nations fastest 3G network" but now describes as "America's largest 4G network."

In November, AT&T took issue with T-Mobile's claims, telling the blog Phone Scoop that "T-Mobile's claims about 4G are based on the same HSPA+ technology we have deployed to 180 million people today, more than T-Mobiles reported 140 million, and well have it rolled out to 250 million people by the end of this month, substantially more than the 200 million T-Mobile says it will have by year-end."

AT&T takes on Verizon in LTE

Now, joining Verizon's push to LTE, AT&T says it will begin deploying LTE within the year, and like T-Mobile, has begun describing its HSPA+ network as delivering 4G speeds competitive with today's LTE. "AT&T is the only U.S. company committed to delivering 4G using both HSPA+ and LTE technologies," the company said in a press release.

Also like Verizon, AT&T promised a variety of 4G LTE phones running Android, which should appear in the second half of this year. The company also suggested Apple would release a 4G iPhone for AT&T, but clarified that it was not making any announcement regarding iPhone support for LTE.

Apple is expected to release a conventional CDMA EvDo version of iPhone 4 for Verizon's network, which would greatly expand US availability among users tied to Verizon or unable to use AT&T's service. However, while Verizon's 3G service is largely considered to be more complete in coverage, it's not as fast as the best areas AT&T covers, nor is it competitive with LTE.

A hybrid CDMA/LTE iPhone is possible, but Apple may also wish to hold off on upgrading to LTE until it is more widely available, focusing instead on HSPA+ service that is currently capable of similar speeds and already widely deployed around the world.
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I remember reading a posthere that quoted AT&T representative saying they are not rushing to roll out 4g and will not even begin until 2012 ish. I was furious and said us sucks compared to what was already available in Europe at the time. Now I am hoping all carriers will take this a bit more seriousely and we can start matching the speeds Scandinavians have been enjoying for some time now.
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Verizon and other CDMA/EvDo carriers (such as those in Canada and Mexico) were unable to upgrade EvDo to make it faster, because that technology is at the end of its life.

Daniel, you're truly getting on my nerves. Why do you need to keep adding in comments like this? It's blatantly biased and fanboyism at its worst. Do us a favor and keep you're little comments to yourself. It's painful to read. Really.

On topic, I don't expect Apple to get on board with LTE for a few years. They used EDGE instead of 3G on the first iPhone, so it seems they don't want to be anybody's test subjects.
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Verizon needs to abandon CDMA as fast as they can. It's slow, end-of-life, and their version of it can not support data and voice at the same time.

Verizon's biggest weakness is that until their 4G LTE is fully built out (2013-2014?), they need to rely on CDMA as a backup. This will be a horrible user experience when users jump into and out of 4G. Calls will drop and/or data will stop.

At least AT&T can seamlessly fall back on their HSPA+ (up to 21mbps).

Sure, everyone "knows" Verizon has the best network...because everyone says it. Could it be that they really have the worst?
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Verizon's biggest weakness is that until their 4G LTE is fully built out (2013-2014?), they need to rely on CDMA as a backup. This will be a horrible user experience when users jump into and out of 4G. Calls will drop and/or data will stop.

As I mistakenly assumed a day ago in a similar thread and was corrected by 'ghostface', the LTE potion of the network is for data only so the lack of it won't cause any dropped calls. I believe Verizon has suggested that by 2012 they will begin to offer voice and data over LTE but in the meantime LTE is data only and voice will remain CDMA until then.

I did ask but I don't recall seeing any reply, will AT&T require both GSM for voice along side LTE for data or will they be LTE for both? I am again assuming it will be a similar transition as what Verizon described for their LTE deployment.

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Just a few months to go folks and then you can have a iphone on a REAL network. Rather than nearly always weak signal substandard performer like ATT with 1/5 the cell sites of Verizon for 3 G.
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Verizon needs to abandon CDMA as fast as they can. It's slow, end-of-life, and their version of it can not support data and voice at the same time.

Verizon's biggest weakness is that until their 4G LTE is fully built out (2013-2014?), they need to rely on CDMA as a backup. This will be a horrible user experience when users jump into and out of 4G. Calls will drop and/or data will stop.

At least AT&T can seamlessly fall back on their HSPA+ (up to 21mbps).

Sure, everyone "knows" Verizon has the best network...because everyone says it. Could it be that they really have the worst?



Who cares? ATT cannot support 3G at reliable speeds because of lack of signal.
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Verizon needs to abandon CDMA as fast as they can. It's slow, end-of-life, and their version of it can not support data and voice at the same time.

Verizon's biggest weakness is that until their 4G LTE is fully built out (2013-2014?), they need to rely on CDMA as a backup. This will be a horrible user experience when users jump into and out of 4G. Calls will drop and/or data will stop.

At least AT&T can seamlessly fall back on their HSPA+ (up to 21mbps).

Sure, everyone "knows" Verizon has the best network...because everyone says it. Could it be that they really have the worst?


And I forgot to mention that either you represent ATT or are totally technically incompetent.
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I remember reading a posthere that quoted AT&T representative saying they are not rushing to roll out 4g and will not even begin until 2012 ish. I was furious and said us sucks compared to what was already available in Europe at the time. Now I am hoping all carriers will take this a bit more seriousely and we can start matching the speeds Scandinavians have been enjoying for some time now.

I dont see why youd take issue with a nation or two in Europe supporting a little coverage of LTE with no phones that support LTE, but expect the US to offer the same coverage over a considerably larger area supporting considerably more users

The bottom line is that Verizon and Sprint had to make the jump right because CDMA2000 wasnt going to get faster. Just look at Verizon and AT&Ts slogans. "The Nation's Fastest Network. Period. and The fastest 4G network in America. AT&Ts besting Verizon and Sprint with their antiquated 3G technology that is still only at a fraction of its potential speed.


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Daniel, you're truly getting on my nerves. Why do you need to keep adding in comments like this? It's blatantly biased and fanboyism at its worst. Do us a favor and keep you're little comments to yourself. It's painful to read. Really.

Ill throw you a bone. Its one thing to harass posters on the forum, but harassing AI staff, not a god idea if you want to maintain this account.


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As I mistakenly assumed a day ago in a similar thread and was corrected by 'ghostface', the LTE potion of the network is for data only so the lack of it won't cause any dropped calls. I believe Verizon has suggested that by 2012 they will begin to offer voice and data over LTE but in the meantime LTE is data only and voice will remain CDMA until then.

I did ask but I don't recall seeing any reply, will AT&T require both GSM for voice along side LTE for data or will they be LTE for both? I am again assuming it will be a similar transition as what Verizon described for their LTE deployment.

LTE is all IP. I think well see VoIP to carriers before we see a dedicated voice channel added to the spec. Not a big deal IMO as the earlier techs are more power efficient. CDMA has a pretty good voice algorithm and will allow LTE phones to sip power in Idle mode while still keeping a connecting to the carrier. I dont foresee CDMA being turned off in the US for at least a decade.

I would expect that in areas where you have LTE youll use 3GSM for voice. IOW, youll use AT&Ts 3G network for voice, not GSM 2G. The voice algorithm for GSM is inferior to CDMA 2G. I would expect AT&T to remove simple GSM long before Verizon can remove CDMA simply because all AT&T would need is all devices to be sold with 3G capabilities, even if it is a voice-only handset.
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Who cares? ATT cannot support 3G at reliable speeds because of lack of signal.

Could it be a lack of signal for you? Since I switched from Verizon to AT&T I get much better signals. In some places where Verizon was dead, AT&T works.

And no, I do not work for or have any affiliation with AT&T (other than the monthly bill they send me and the payment I send them).
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Its not that big of a deal right now. Verizon's LTE network is no faster than AT&T's HSPA+. HSPA+ is already deployed across the entire country, AT&T has plenty of room speed up their HSPA+ network before they will need LTE.

Verizon has no where else to go but LTE.

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I remember reading a posthere that quoted AT&T representative saying they are not rushing to roll out 4g and will not even begin until 2012 ish. I was furious and said us sucks compared to what was already available in Europe at the time. Now I am hoping all carriers will take this a bit more seriousely and we can start matching the speeds Scandinavians have been enjoying for some time now.
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Advertising peak speeds is annoying. I don't care about the theoretical link from the tower to a device. I care about the realistic speed from the Internet to the tower spread across hundreds of people. And while you can see that speeds of 5Mbps and above are possible on AT&T's network, it does NOT explain why YouTube videos are played at crappy resolution and take forever to buffer (hint, not enough bandwidth to the tower!)

This whole "is HSPA+, LTE, or WiMAX 4G" crap won't matter to the end user when they realize that trying to stream YouTube HD means you'll be waiting for a while. And only then will they realize that a speed test is rather useless way to measure real-world cases of "4G" technology.
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I don't expect Apple to get on board with LTE for a few years. They used EDGE instead of 3G on the first iPhone, so it seems they don't want to be anybody's test subjects.

Correct.

It is more likely that they will stick with HSPA+ chips for the 2011 and 2012 iPhones. I don't expect to see an LTE-compatible iPhone until summer 2013. By that time, U.S. domestic deployment of LTE should be far enough along to make it worthwhile.
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There should be a 4G chip sufficient for the iPhone by 2012. Its not that big of a deal, LTE networks will have better deployment and maturity by that point. Plus if the next iPhone supports HSPA+ 21mbps, it will be either faster or just as fast as other 4G phones.

I don't think it makes much sense to buy a 4G phone right now.

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On topic, I don't expect Apple to get on board with LTE for a few years. They used EDGE instead of 3G on the first iPhone, so it seems they don't want to be anybody's test subjects.
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Just a few months to go folks and then you can have a iphone on a REAL network. Rather than nearly always weak signal substandard performer like ATT with 1/5 the cell sites of Verizon for 3 G.

I have had an iPhone on a real network for quite a while now. AT&T provides a pretty good signal both where I live and where I work.

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Who cares? ATT cannot support 3G at reliable speeds because of lack of signal.

AT&T works very well in my area. 3G for me has been fast and reliable.

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And I forgot to mention that either you represent ATT or are totally technically incompetent.

And you must represent Verizon.

I look forward to seeing whether their network can really withstand the "burden" that millions of iPhones would place upon it.
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I doubt it will take that long. By 2012 4G will have become a competitive feature among smartphones. Because of HSPA+ there is no urgent need to support LTE right now.

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It is more likely that they will stick with HSPA+ chips for the 2011 and 2012 iPhones. I don't expect to see an LTE-compatible iPhone until summer 2013. By that time, U.S. domestic deployment of LTE should be far enough along to make it worthwhile.
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Could it be a lack of signal for you? Since I switched from Verizon to AT&T I get much better signals. In some places where Verizon was dead, AT&T works.

And no, I do not work for or have any affiliation with AT&T (other than the monthly bill they send me and the payment I send them).


I have done extensive testing ALL OVER California. Unless you are right on top of an ATT cell site ATT will be less reliable than Verizon. And that makes complete sense when one finds out that ATT has ONLY ONE THIRD the 3G cell sites in California that Verizon does. A lower density of cell sites means many many users will commonly find lower signal on ATT since the sites are father apart.

And to top it off ATT DID NOT convert all cell sites using 1900 Mhz to 800 Mhz. That means by physics alone the signal will be weaker inside many buildings.
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There should be a 4G chip sufficient for the iPhone by 2012. Its not that big of a deal, LTE networks will have better deployment and maturity by that point. Plus if the next iPhone supports HSPA+ 21mbps, it will be either faster or just as fast as other 4G phones.

I don't think it makes much sense to buy a 4G phone right now.

I look forward to the reviews so these "LTE or bust comments can come to a head. Remember the HTC EVO 4G. I suspect that the first LTE phones wont fare much different.
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All of the carriers are also upgrading the backhaul. Its a lot of work and takes time. I agree though that the marketing is outpacing the reality.

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This whole "is HSPA+, LTE, or WiMAX 4G" crap won't matter to the end user when they realize that trying to stream YouTube HD means you'll be waiting for a while. And only then will they realize that a speed test is rather useless way to measure real-world cases of "4G" technology.
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Verizon needs to abandon CDMA as fast as they can. It's slow, end-of-life, and their version of it can not support data and voice at the same time.

Verizon's biggest weakness is that until their 4G LTE is fully built out (2013-2014?), they need to rely on CDMA as a backup. This will be a horrible user experience when users jump into and out of 4G. Calls will drop and/or data will stop.

At least AT&T can seamlessly fall back on their HSPA+ (up to 21mbps).

Sure, everyone "knows" Verizon has the best network...because everyone says it. Could it be that they really have the worst?

"Seidenberg also says Jobs respects Verizon, telling him in December 2009, 1Decisions you made [at Verizon] are decisions we would make at Apple.'"

Don't recall this every being corrected or denied by Apple PR.
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Good point the HSPA+ chips are mature and power efficient. Not only would HSPA+ be as fast if not faster. They will be more energy efficient than the newer LTE chips.

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I look forward to the reviews so these "LTE or bust comments can come to a head. Remember the HTC EVO 4G. I suspect that the first LTE phones wont fare much different.
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I have done extensive testing ALL OVER California. Unless you are right on top of an ATT cell site ATT will be less reliable than Verizon. And that makes complete sense when one finds out that ATT has ONLY ONE THIRD the 3G cell sites in California that Verizon does. A lower density of cell sites means many many users will commonly find lower signal on ATT since the sites are father apart.

California while large, does not include the entire population of the US (contrary to the opinions of many Californians).

I am sorry to hear that every AT&T customer in California is getting a poor signal (or no signal). I am sure that those on Verizon enjoy the quality of their service, especially when they have to end a voice call to use their browser or check email.
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Unless you are right on top of an ATT cell site ATT will be less reliable than Verizon. And that makes complete sense when one finds out that ATT has ONLY ONE THIRD the 3G cell sites in California that Verizon does.

This would be conclusive if both companies used the same celular technology. They don't. (I've heard this will change once they both have their LTE networks fully deployed.)

It is my understanding that CDMA and GSM work very differently. Could it be that CDMA simply requires more towers and that GSM does not require as many tower? I'm not saying more towers won't help AT&T. I'm asking whether the differences in the technologies simply have different requirements as far as implementation is concerned. That is, what is the broadcast range of a single CDMA tower vs. the range of a single GSM tower?
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Seeing how Apple waits till the networks mature (LTE), I'm guessing Apple will go with HSPA+ instead of LTE for the next iPhone.

Oh and here's a little demo video of AT&T LTE Network speeds.

http://www.technobuffalo.com/blog/an...ew-htc-device/
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California while large, does not include the entire population of the US (contrary to the opinions of many Californians).

I am sorry to hear that every AT&T customer in California is getting a poor signal (or no signal). I am sure that those on Verizon enjoy the quality of their service, especially when they have to end a voice call to use their browser or check email.

So while you are checking your e-mail, what is the person on the line doing?
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So while you are checking your e-mail, what is the person on the line doing?

It's called a speakerphone. They work pretty well...
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Who cares? ATT cannot support 3G at reliable speeds because of lack of signal.

I don't know where you live, but you don't speak for me when I get reliable signal and solid data speeds. Houston, TX....westchase or galleria area.
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It's called a speakerphone. They work pretty well...

Or using any variety of wired or wireless headphone systems. Pretty much every call I make involves me looking up something while on the call.
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Or using any variety of wired or wireless headphone systems. Pretty much every call I make involves me looking up something while on the call.

If this is actually a feature you use, then bully for you. I never did.
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Daniel, you're truly getting on my nerves. Why do you need to keep adding in comments like this? It's blatantly biased and fanboyism at its worst. Do us a favor and keep you're little comments to yourself. It's painful to read. Really.

On topic, I don't expect Apple to get on board with LTE for a few years. They used EDGE instead of 3G on the first iPhone, so it seems they don't want to be anybody's test subjects.

I'll take Daniel's comments anyday over yours. Have you taken leave of your senses? "I don't expect Apple to get on board with LTE for a few years." For a few years! Apparently, you expect Apple to roll over and play dead in the smartphone market.
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Daniel, you're truly getting on my nerves. Why do you need to keep adding in comments like this? It's blatantly biased and fanboyism at its worst. Do us a favor and keep you're little comments to yourself. It's painful to read. Really.

On topic, I don't expect Apple to get on board with LTE for a few years. They used EDGE instead of 3G on the first iPhone, so it seems they don't want to be anybody's test subjects.

Actually I think you're really getting on people's nerves. Every time I read a DED article I know you're going to be one of the first posters bitching about some nonsensical thing. Enough already...
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If this is actually a feature you use, then bully for you. I never did.

Its a deal breaker feature for me and I think its important to a good majority of users that Verizon will market this feature as soon as its available, which I assume will be with the first CDMA/EV-DO/LTE smartphone on their network.
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So while you are checking your e-mail, what is the person on the line doing?

Wow, someone actually needs to explain to you how convenient it is to be able to access data while you're on a call?!
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Wow, someone actually needs to explain to you how convenient it is to be able to access data while you're on a call?!

Really.

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"Hang on... (launches favorite movie listing app).... True Grit is at the AMC 9 at 7pm, you want me to buy us tickets?"

"Great! Um, I'm not exactly sure where the theater is....."

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Really.

"Hey, you want to see a movie?”
[…]

"Hey, you want to see a movie?”

"Sure"

"What's playing?”

“I’ll check… (launches favorite movie listing app while continuing the conversation) …. “Is there anything you had in mind.”

“Yeah, I heard True Grit is good.”

“Cool. I wouldn’t mind seeing that, too. How about a drink afterwards?”

“Not tonight. I’m still recovering from NYE…"

"True Grit is at the AMC 9 at 7pm, you want me to buy us tickets?"

"Great! Um, I'm not exactly sure where the theater is....."

"Hang on.. (launches Google Maps, takes screen shot of relevant map, emails to friend) .... I sent you an email with the map, you can check it out after you hang up, you lucky Verizon person."
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iPhone models since the 3GS have been able to take advantage of 7.2Mbps speeds, and iPhone 4 introduced uploads that can take full advantage of 5.8Mbps uploads. In the real world, AT&T provides typical throughput closer to 1.5Mbps down and 0.7Mbps up, in areas of San Francisco where its service is available. In areas where AT&T has installed enhanced backhaul, the company says users should be able to experience 6Mpbs downloads on existing HSPA+ devices like the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4.

God almighty, is this really that difficult? Sorry but I've been fighting this battle all day.

1)The 3GS and 4 are NOT HSPA+ DEVICES!! They are regular HSPA devices. Up until today, there were no devices in existence for AT&T's HSPA+ network. Now some have been announced.

2) AT&T confirmed that their tech is not 14.4, but the full 21mbps tech t-mobile is using.

Thank you.
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Or using any variety of wired or wireless headphone systems. Pretty much every call I make involves me looking up something while on the call.

As a matter of fact, every iPhone ships with mic-equipped wired earbuds.
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"Hey, you want to see a movie?

"Sure"

"What's playing?

Ill check (launches favorite movie listing app while continuing the conversation) . Is there anything you had in mind.

Yeah, I heard True Grit is good.

Cool. I wouldnt mind seeing that, too. How about a drink afterwards?

Not tonight. Im still recovering from NYE"

"True Grit is at the AMC 9 at 7pm, you want me to buy us tickets?"

"Great! Um, I'm not exactly sure where the theater is....."

"Hang on.. (launches Google Maps, takes screen shot of relevant map, emails to friend) .... I sent you an email with the map, you can check it out after you hang up, you lucky Verizon person."

Well, yeah, I figured the "continuing the conversation part" was implied.....
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Well, yeah, I figured the "continuing the conversation part" was implied.....

I assumed that would have been the next defense for the anti-walk-and-chew-gum crowd so I wanted to nip it before it got brought up… as if that ever makes a difference. \
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I assumed that would have been the next defense for anti-walk-and-chew-gum crowd so I wanted to nip it before it got brought up as if that ever makes a difference. \

True, it's not like you're putting the other person on hold or you have to fall silent while you're using other apps.

It's so weird that Apple actually created this remarkable system where talking on the phone can be so massively empowered with all kinds of support technology, and done in a natural, seamless way that actually doesn't much get in the way of the conversation and by the time you get to Android phones on Verizon it's somehow nothing anyone would want.

The same people who proclaimed that lack of multitasking was a deal breaker dismiss being able to look up things on the internet or make restaurant reservations or double check stock prices or look at a map while talking about those very things as being pointless or eminently skippable. The thing is, who doesn't do those things while on the phone and sitting at a computer? Why is it nothing interesting when you put the same functionality on the phone itself?
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