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Research in Motion has revealed plans to release a 4G version of its BlackBerry PlayBook tablet this summer on the Sprint Nextel network, according to a new report.

According to Reuters, the BlackBerry maker announced the plans while touting "massive" corporate interest in the device.

"In large companies, they're talking deployment in the tens of thousands, right off the bat," said Jeff McDowell, RIM's senior vice president of enterprise and platform marketing. According to McDowell, corporations are seeing the PlayBook as an essential tool to employees, just like a phone or a PC.

RIM apparently decided to use Sprint because it has the most "ubiquitous 4G network at this point." Sprint is currently the third largest wireless network in the U.S., with only Verizon and AT&T having more subscribers.

Wireless carriers in the U.S. are currently in a 4G 'arms race,' vying for the titles of "fastest" and "largest" 4G network. AT&T on Wednesday outlined accelerated plans to deploy 4G LTE technology. Meanwhile, Verizon has begun rolling out its own 4G LTE network.

The PlayBook tablet was available for hands-on demonstrations for the first time Wednesday at the Consumer Electronics Show. The device "performed smoothly as it went through its paces," according to the report.

RIM has yet to set a price for the PlayBook, though the company has said it will sell the device for "under $500." A Wi-Fi only version of the device is expected to launch in the first quarter of this year.

The report also noted that, according to McDowell, the PlayBook's battery life "will last as long or longer than other 7-inch tablets." Samsung's 7-inch Galaxy Tab gets approximately 6 hours of battery life. By comparison, Apple's iPad gets 10 hours of battery life.

McDowell called concerns about Adobe Flash reducing battery life "absurd generalizations."

Analyst Shaw Wu of Kaufman Bros. recently expressed concerns over development of the PlayBook, citing sources who claim that test units of the tablet only get "a few hours" of battery life. RIM quickly fired back, denying the claims and promising "superior performance with comparable battery life." Despite RIM's denials, Wu issued a follow-up report maintaining his stance that even matching the Samsung Galaxy Tab's battery life would require "significant engineering."

Apple CEO Steve Jobs remains skeptical about 7-inch tablets, believing they "will be dead on arrival, and manufacturers will realize they're too small and abandon them next year. They'll then increase the size, abandoning the customers and developers who bought into the smaller format."
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The report also noted that, according to McDowell, the PlayBook's battery life "will last as long or longer than other 7-inch tablets." Samsung's 7-inch Galaxy Tab gets approximately 6 hours of battery life. By comparison, Apple's iPad gets 10 hours of battery life.

The demonstration and UI looks really slick, certainly better than the Galaxy Tab using Android 2.2 and better than the mockup video of Android 3.0 designed for tablets, so WTH is going on that it only has 4 hours left with 93% of battery remaining. How does 7% equate to more than 50% more run time?

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The demonstration and UI looks really slick, certainly better than the Galaxy Tab using Android 2.2 and better than the mockup video of Android 3.0 designed for tablets, so WTH is going on that it only has 4 hours left with 93% of battery remaining. How does 7% equate to more than 50% more run time?


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Corporations are going to buy tens of thousands of devices which only run on Wi-Max?
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Summer 2011? Wont the iPad 2 launch before that?

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The demonstration and UI looks really slick, certainly better than the Galaxy Tab using Android 2.2 and better than the mockup video of Android 3.0 designed for tablets, so WTH is going on that it only has 4 hours left with 93% of battery remaining. How does 7% equate to more than 50% more run time?


http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/b...ybook-preview/

Like in the video, maybe they had Quake 3, 1080p video playback, music player and a photo slide show going simultaneously and the time was affected by the rate of discharge?
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/06/b...ybook-preview/

Like in the video, maybe they had Quake 3, 1080p video playback, music player and a photo slide show going simultaneously and the time was affected by the rate of discharge?

All running at full tilt in the background? While Im sure there are many reading this tech forum that would love that option that isnt what Id call a consumer tablet.
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The demonstration and UI looks really slick, certainly better than the Galaxy Tab using Android 2.2 and better than the mockup video of Android 3.0 “designed for tablets”, so WTH is going on that it only has 4 hours left with 93% of battery remaining. How does 7% equate to more than 50% more run time?

In crackberry.com video review, RIM executives stated on camera that they are shooting for 8 hours. They are probably demoing on the "all singing all dancing" multitasking mode right now. If RIM can do it, then it will be a good thing for Apple fans because it would create great pressure on Apple to put the flash player on the ipad2.
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All running at full tilt in the background? While Im sure there are many reading this tech forum that would love that option that isnt what Id call a consumer tablet.

Not going to argue there, RIM is confined to the business community and I think they know this, that's why all their talk is about corporations.
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In crackberry.com video review, RIM executives stated on camera that they are shooting for 8 hours. If they can do it, then it will be a good thing for Apple fans because it would create great pressure on Apple to put the flash player on the ipad2.

Not following your logic. The iPad has about double the screen area, more pixels to push, and gets 25% more battery than what RiM executives are shooting for. Not to mention that interactive Flash sites on the web are still hit of miss on Android, Adobe would have to be the ones to make stable which they still cant seem to do on Mac OS X, and, most importantly, Apple has nothing to fear from Flash.
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Not following your logic. The iPad has about double the screen area, more pixels to push, and gets 25% more battery than what RiM executives are shooting for. Not to mention that interactive Flash sites on the web are still hit of miss on Android, Adobe would have to be the ones to make stable which they still cant seem to do on Mac OS X, and, most importantly, Apple has nothing to fear from Flash.

The ipad battery is also much larger.

People are allowed to play with the Playbook at the CES booth, so we will know tomorrow whether flash is a hit or miss on the Playbook.
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So now it's delayed until Summer, and it's going to work only on Sprint? How well did the Palm Pre do on that tiny network.

This has the makings of yet another has-been contestant. It's not going to be pretty.
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The ipad battery is also much larger.

Yes it is and for good reason. A company will have to balance size, weight and battery usage to even begin to have a good product. So far, few companies achieve that consistently, and al the ones I can think of are doing it with well worn operating systems. Do you think Apple’s going to sit on 10 hours for the next iPad? I don’t. Do you think 8 hours is realistic for PlayBook for internet WiFi? I don’t. Maybe in a few years… if it lasts that long following in the Palm Pre’s tragic footsteps.
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Yes it is and for good reason. A company will have to balance size, weight and battery usage to even begin to have a good product. So far, few companies achieve that consistently, and al the ones I can think of are doing it with well worn operating systems. Do you think Apples going to sit on 10 hours for the next iPad? I dont. Do you think 8 hours is realistic for PlayBook for internet WiFi? I dont. Maybe in a few years if it lasts that long following in the Palm Pres tragic footsteps.

The next ipad will come with increased features that will eat up battery life. You can't increase battery life much because it is the slowest moving technology in the whole computer industry. It's a losing battle against feature creep.

Why can't the Playbook be realistic to have 8 hours of battery life --- when the much more unpolished Android tablets have 6 hours. Beating android's battery performance is not that unrealistic goal.
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"In large companies, they're talking deployment in the tens of thousands, right off the bat," said Jeff McDowell, RIM's senior vice president of enterprise and platform marketing.

Oh really? Corporate IT buys whatever product they think is most cost effective. But only if their CTO thinks the company and product will be around for years to come. Sounds like RIM is either giving them away free or bribing the CTOs to use PlayBook. And then promising to support PlayBook for a minimum number of years. Also for free.

So other would-be corporate buyers (who didn't get the sweet, free deal) will be looking at the early PlayBook adopters. And looking closely at RIM's PlayBook sales numbers too. For a year or more. And they'll be looking closely at iPad too. Which is bad news for RIM.

And just how many PlayBooks do you think you're going to sell in the mainstream consumer market, Jeff? Tens of thousands? Maybe tens of thousand a year.

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The next ipad will come with increased features that will eat up battery life. You can't increase battery life much because it is the slowest moving technology in the whole computer industry. It's a losing battle against feature creep.

Why can't the Playbook be realistic to have 8 hours of battery life --- when the much more unpolished Android tablets have 6 hours. Beating android's battery performance is not that unrealistic goal.

Werent you just saying last week that the PlayBooks battery life be like so super great because it will use the more power efficient Cortex-A9 over that crappy Cortex-A8 in the current iPad?
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Oh really? Corporate IT buys whatever product they think is most cost effective. But only if their CTO thinks the company and product will be around for years to come. Sounds like RIM is either giving them away free or bribing the CTOs to use PlayBook. And then promising to support PlayBook for a minimum number of years. Also for free.

So other would-be corporate buyers (who didn't get the sweet, free deal) will be looking at the early PlayBook adopters. And looking closely at RIM's PlayBook sales numbers too. For a year or more. And they'll be looking closely at iPad too. Which is bad news for RIM.

And just how many PlayBooks do you think you're going to sell in the mainstream consumer market, Jeff? Tens of thousands? Maybe tens of thousand a year.

RIM still has the 2nd highest profit margin --- behind Apple.
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Werent you just saying last week that the PlayBooks battery life be like so super great because it will use the more power efficient Cortex-A9 over that crappy Cortex-A8 in the current iPad?

Even if Apple doesn't include flash in their ipad browser, the very fact that idiotic website designers will put out all kinds of CPU sucking HTML5 websites will decrease the battery life for the next gen ipad.
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... "You can't increase battery life much because it is the slowest moving technology in the whole computer industry."...

That's why Apple designed their own custom batteries for all their portable devices. Because they wanted to get ahead of the industry. And I would argue that Windows is the slowest moving technology in the whole computer industry. In fact, Microsoft suppressed innovation in nearly the entire pee cee industry for about ten years by killing off smaller, faster, but more vulnerable competitors. But that's another story.

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...Why can't the Playbook be realistic to have 8 hours of battery life...

PlayBook is still vaporware. There are a few demo units at CES, but RIM won't release actual shipping units until this summer. So nothing about PlayBook is realistic. Not battery life, not anything.

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kinds of CPU sucking HTML5 websites will decrease the battery life for the next gen ipad.

That's BS and you know it. If my MacBook Pro is quiet like a dead man when i browse HTML5 site i think iPad will be fine.

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This appears to be the system multitasking settings:

Deactivate applications:
-- When they leave full screen
-- When new applications become full screen
-- Never (all singing, all dancing)

I expected a little more granularity...

Which, if any, deactivated applications are re-activated: "When new applications become full screen" then "leave full screen".

If yes, how does the system prioritize re-activation -- LIFO?

Does this mean that if you want a long upload or download to continue in the background -- you must allow all applications to run in the background?

Are any sort of Push Notifications allowed to activate or re-activate an application?

What about location-tracking apps -- when cell radio versions become available.


This tablet is targeted enterprise, Correct?

I find the "Never (all singing, all dancing)" terminology a little odd -- maybe its killer app is filming those office parties

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Werent you just saying last week that the PlayBooks battery life be like so super great because it will use the more power efficient Cortex-A9 over that crappy Cortex-A8 in the current iPad?

If that's the case, let's see what happens if we see an iPad 2 with a custom cortex a9.

Btw, all this talk about the iPad getting ten hours is bs.

I routinely get 12 - 14 hrs. of battery life.
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The next ipad will come with increased features that will eat up battery life. You can't increase battery life much because it is the slowest moving technology in the whole computer industry. It's a losing battle against feature creep.

Apple constantly increase their products feature AND battery life in their mobile devices. Guess youre yoo ignorant to take note of that.
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Even if Apple doesn't include flash in their ipad browser, the very fact that idiotic website designers will put out all kinds of CPU sucking HTML5 websites will decrease the battery life for the next gen ipad.

The specs of the 2nd gen iPad is not yet out and here you are talking bs.
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The next ipad will come with increased features that will eat up battery life.

The iPhone 4 has increased features but better battery life compared to the 3GS
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If 10s of thousands is the amount to all enterprise customers this is a low number. Apple is selling millions of iPads to enterprise customers. I just don't see enterprise customers rushing out to build Adobe Air and Flash apps...

I guess summer 2011 is the beginning of the year...
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The specs of the 2nd gen iPad is not yet out and here you are talking bs.

samab is a shill, that's what he does.
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Ah, vaporware is a mean, mean drug. Once you start, it's a slippery slope.

Start of with some flashy (pun unintended) videos of PlayBook and how it's going to be awesome. Get large media response and "corporate interest". When reports of unfinished battery management comes out, just respond that "it wasn't even implemented, so na na na na na nahhhh".

Can't get enough? Go for 4G, hell, that's an awesome buzzword, who cares if anyone knows what exactly it is or how relevant it is for them. Announce a far off yet enticing date like "Summer 2011". Announce yet more massive, super-duper OMFG corporate interest. Everyone can haz PlayBook! Yay!

I don't know man. I'd love to see RIM succeed and push Apple a kind of "right way" forward.

The thing about an avalanche of fail is that the snow just keeps building up without you knowing it... Until it is way, way too late.
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If 10s of thousands is the amount to all enterprise customers this is a low number. Apple is selling millions of iPads to enterprise customers. I just don't see enterprise customers rushing out to build Adobe Air and Flash apps...

I guess summer 2011 is the beginning of the year...

But didn't you know? To RIM 1 corporate customer or BlackBerry user is better than hundreds of riff raff buying them iProducts...!
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This appears to be the system multitasking settings:

Deactivate applications:
-- When they leave full screen
-- When new applications become full screen
-- Never (all singing, all dancing)

I find the "Never (all singing, all dancing)" terminology a little odd -- maybe its killer app is filming those office parties

re: office parties.

More seriously though, giving the user control of multitasking to, "Awesome, Run Everything All At Once To Hell With Battery Life And Speed And Stability Yayyy!"

Is...

Brave.
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I can see some potential corporate demand for replacing the proprietary units that Fedex, UPS etc have for taking signatures etc. They like a stylus to be more pen-like so maybe if they build that function in there's a market. Seven inch sounds about right, iPod Touch feels a bit small for such applications, carriers could also ditch standalone navigation devices for cost savings. So yes I can see some space for corporate adoption, corporations have been buying Windows for decades too so anything is possible!
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then it will be a good thing for Apple fans because it would create great pressure on Apple to put the flash player on the ipad2.

Are you NUTS? I want Flash to go and die in the fires of hell where it belongs.

(My MBP, 27% battery after 3 plus hours, then ran a few Flash videos and 5 minutes later it was at 5% battery).
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The next ipad will come with increased features that will eat up battery life. You can't increase battery life much because it is the slowest moving technology in the whole computer industry. It's a losing battle against feature creep.

What are you talking about? Although battery technology hasn't progressed as much as we like is continuing to evolve. There are lots of other technologies that allows for more efficient power usage as well.

Our laptops and cellphones pack in much more features and processing power than those from 8-10 years ago and yet they can run much longer. Our Macbooks today although thinner and lighter runs many hours longer than older laptops. Our cellphones today even with all those features, and a large LCD screen still runs far longer than Motorola StarTac.
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Not going to argue there, RIM is confined to the business community and I think they know this, that's why all their talk is about corporations.

That's SO funny. Is that why they called it the PLAYBOOK?!?!?!

And on the topic of battery life, doubters need to check out Apple's patents being applied for on Liquid Metal technologies - for use in? Batteries.
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Are you NUTS? I want Flash to go and die in the fires of hell where it belongs.

(My MBP, 27% battery after 3 plus hours, then ran a few Flash videos and 5 minutes later it was at 5% battery).

As a Flash developer I feel a little twisted, since Flash is really nice to develop Websites with rich content rather easily and with minimal scripting. You can use the time for creativity instead of debugging. Anyway after a little shock that Flash isn't going to the iOS I understand Steve's position now. Flash would have to be completely rewritten for mobile devices. Still for anything hooked to a power cable, Flash may be useful for quit some time. And I hope your wishes are not coming true.
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My understanding is that the communication chips that power "4G" are more power hungry than 3g chips. In fact, I think that the sprint EVO has a setting to disable 4g in order to achieve longer battery life. If the RIM Playbook is already having difficulty achieving 6 hours of battery life in it's current state, I would think that adding 4G would seriously shorten the life of the unit's use while being mobile. Flash Apps, Flash Web Content and 4G are all going to hurt Playbook's real world battery life.
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Have you been living in a cave? Adobe demonstrated the new Flash player that only uses .8% of CPU as opposed to 90% CPU, download the beta at adobslabs.com. Flash is in your near future my friend!! Like t or not. Apple demonstrated their flexibility when they loosened their license and allowed Flash developed apps on the App store. Exciting stuff!
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The demonstration and UI looks really slick, certainly better than the Galaxy Tab using Android 2.2 and better than the mockup video of Android 3.0 designed for tablets, so WTH is going on that it only has 4 hours left with 93% of battery remaining. How does 7% equate to more than 50% more run time?



You missed his point! He said comparable battery life, as in "compared to other tablets, ours does not last as long."

Joking aside, I am far more impressed with what I see in the Playbook than what I see from the new Android tablets. The big question mark for both from my perspective is developers and support for them. I haven't seen enough to determine if third parties are going to keep these platforms afloat like they have done with the iPad. They certainly have the edge hardware wise over the first gen iPad, but dual core processors and loads of RAM are not the necessary ingredients for productivity; applications are. In this arena Apple is still ahead by a country mile in my opinion, but I will be watching closely to see how the competitors try to bridge that gap.

But I am impressed by how this makes Android 3.0 look a little rough around the edges, to say the least. I'm sure Apple isn't resting either. If RIM can somehow pull this off and the developers get behind it, I'll have an interesting purchase decision to make this summer between the iPad 2 and Playbook. If they don't pull it off, well, I hope Apple continues to innovate even when the competition just continues to trip over themselves trying to play catch up.
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Just to be clear: the 4G model will launch this summer, the 3G model launches in the first quarter, probably March.

So far the Motorola XOOM looks like the best competition to the iPad because of its 10 inch screen. But based on the CNet video, it looks like it's not ready yet either. The only thing loaded on the tablet at CES are demo videos.

As Microsoft and HP have learned, it's one thing to announce a product, another to launch it.
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