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I am actually dead set against this as I consider it an invasion of privacy. I really don't like it that Apple can now see exactly what apps I have installed. That's none of their business, period. There's no Prefs at all, much less any way you can turn off this invasive spyware except to quit the application.

The application itself has a lot of promise and I expect that I'll be using it but for now, it's in the trash.

*ugh* I bet you don't use iTunes either, because it knows what music and videos are on your computer. Nor iPhoto because it can find your pictures for you.

The App Store is no different.
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

I have to ask ... I don't get the Ireland bit?

Apple used to charge the digital software downloads in Europe out of Ireland, so used the VAT rate in Ireland rather than the country you live in, I was just wondering if this continues with the Apple Store.
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Anyone getting some random beach balls with 10.6.6 particularly starting Safari or iPhoto
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Anyone getting some random beach balls with 10.6.6 particularly starting Safari or iPhoto

YES! I don't know why, but my macbook pro is now very sluggish and I get the beach balls. Safari gets them, starting up takes longer once it gets to the desktop - as in, it boots fast to the desktop but then having the icons on it and at the top take forever. Kinda sucks...
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is not about promoting a thriving developer community. It's about channeling more profits into Apple's own coffers.

That is the primary purpose of a shareholder owned company.
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Example: Do a search for "CAD". Under the old downloads format, you'd come up with over a dozen hits. Try it now. Zero hits. In a year from now, you will get a few. But none of the significant apps will ever show up. Because they install resources and use alternate licensing procedures than permitted.

Do a yahoo search for .... "cad programs for Mac" and you get 11 plus pages of hits, with autocad and turbocad both on 1st page. Stop bitchin' and use your imagination.
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Originally Posted by Zoe-Bob View Post

I just got this feedback from Macworld:

"Unfortunately, aside from Apple's apps, the Mac App Store will not recognize or acknowledge licenses for third-party apps that you already own. Some third-party apps appear as "installed" in the store right now, but that's a technical hiccup; they will not be updated by the Mac App Store unless you trash your existing non-store version and re-purchase from the store.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Apple simply isn't offering a transition system for developers. Developers would obviously love to transition your existing licenses into the store, but it simply isn't possible.

This will all be covered in our Mac App Store FAQ posts, which are coming soon. Stay tuned."

Don't be surprised if this changes. I mean, come on. It's day 1 of the Mac App Store.
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The Final Cut Studio is over 30GB for sure but the individual apps in the suite only come to 5GB or so when installed without the templates and extras. Individually the apps are smaller still around 1GB or under. Apple could sell them separately and have an online template gallery that you can browse and download the ones you want when you need them.

Selling FCS for £499 would seriously put people off buying Premiere or Avid no matter how crusty it gets.

This should help drive down the cost of Mac games as well as other software.

I'm with you. Apple should EOL FCE (It's super deprecated anyway) and unbundle the Final Cut Studio on Mac App Store, sell the individual Apps for, say about £99.99 a pop (Average. FCP - or rather, Final Cut as it would presumably be renamed with the axing of FCE - might go for something similar to the old FCE price of £130 for example, £150 tops) and laugh all the way to the bank. AVID, Sony and Adobe won't be able to touch them at those prices.

But, and I can't stress this enough, not until they've got a 64-Bit Cocoa, GCD-enabled (And preferably hardware-accelerated) build of Final Cut. Mainly because I refuse to buy another Final Cut reference release until they've done that. I'm hoping they're putting it out with Lion, or shortly after.

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Then why isn't the App Store recognizing that I have the latest version installed? The only thing it recognizes apparently is the iLife apps.

I don't know what's going on with your Mac; the App Store sees that I have Pages, Numbers and Keynote installed here.
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Then why isn't the App Store recognizing that I have the latest version installed? The only thing it recognizes apparently is the iLife apps.

Question...Are the .App files in Macintosh HD/Applications? I had some Apps in Macintosh HD/Users/Jensonb/Applications it wasn't finding, and it did when I moved them to Macintosh HD/Applications (Purely coincidental, I just happen to be changing my workflow at the moment - I also just added two more Spaces)

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I'm with you. Apple should EOL FCE (It's super deprecated anyway) and unbundle the Final Cut Studio on Mac App Store, sell the individual Apps for, say about £99.99 a pop (Average. FCP - or rather, Final Cut as it would presumably be renamed with the axing of FCE - might go for something similar to the old FCE price of £130 for example, £150 tops) and laugh all the way to the bank. AVID, Sony and Adobe won't be able to touch them at those prices.

But, and I can't stress this enough, not until they've got a 64-Bit Cocoa, GCD-enabled (And preferably hardware-accelerated) build of Final Cut. Mainly because I refuse to buy another Final Cut reference release until they've done that. I'm hoping they're putting it out with Lion, or shortly after.

Agreed. I don't care how cheap FCP gets. Until they catch up with Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 (and they never will, since Premiere Pro can encode and burn BD-R and Apple is against Blu-Ray) in features and performance, I won't use it!

And yes, I own Adobe Premiere Pro CS5, so I know what I'm talking about. That Mercury Engine is impressive.

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YES! I don't know why, but my macbook pro is now very sluggish and I get the beach balls. Safari gets them, starting up takes longer once it gets to the desktop - as in, it boots fast to the desktop but then having the icons on it and at the top take forever. Kinda sucks...

Thanks for the warnings. I'm going to hold off on 10.6.6 until its sorted out.

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ugh, why do I have to be at work

I retired last month
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I see that Leopard is not supported. Looks like I'll finally replace my G5 Power Mac so I can run Snow Leopard.

I believe it is apple's way of saying .. Get a new Mac.
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Agreed. I don't care how cheap FCP gets. Until they catch up with Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 (and they never will, since Premiere Pro can encode and burn BD-R and Apple is against Blu-Ray) in features and performance, I won't use it!

And yes, I own Adobe Premiere Pro CS5, so I know what I'm talking about. That Mercury Engine is impressive.

I can't stomach Premiere Pro, it's just not for me. I'm mostly getting by with the current Final Cut and occasionally using Media Composer 5 from AVID (Which I'm also not a huge fan of because it makes me do things its way instead of just letting me do things).

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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

Adobe has to be freaking.
Hopefully developers will be able to sell more software to offset the lower prices. More reasonably priced software would also reduce software piracy.

I doubt Adobe is "freaking". Their product is geared towards professionals, and Lightroom is the dominant software (along with Photoshop/Camera Raw) amongst professional photographers. While Apple was adding iPhoto "features" in the last Aperture update and basically letting the image handling basically stay the same, Adobe added to their already superior image handling, which is what their user base was most interested in. If they want to compete with Aperture 4, 5 and 6, they might just fold some more Lightroom features into future versions of Photoshop Elements, which is their $79 program. It's been said many times, but to actual professionals, Adobes prices are extremely reasonable for what they are.

What worries me is the prospect of Apple incorporating iLife "features" into the next Final Cut Studio while letting it lag behind Premiere and Avid in technology. Sure, a $79 Final Cut Studio would be nice, but most professionals care more about having the most powerful/best quality tools available, even if it means a higher price tag...
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Originally Posted by tumme-totte View Post

25%. In Sweden. And it goes for both Mac App store as well as any other "channel". Ireland I don't know about.

I asked because at the bottom of some pages in the UK store they list

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Prices are inclusive of VAT (20%) but exclusive of delivery charges unless otherwise indicated.The VAT rate for Electronic Software Downloads or other Apple products classified as services under EU VAT law will be (21%) as VAT is charged at the rate payable in the country where Apple Sales International supplies such products, which is the Republic of Ireland. The order form shows you the VAT payable on the Products you select.

For example if you try and purchase Quicktime from the Swedish Apple Store you will be charged 21% tax, not 25%
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Originally Posted by Jon T View Post

Have the photocopiers started up in Redmond on the Windows version of the Mac App Store App yet I wonder?

Shh... They're working on shoving Windows onto ARM at the moment.
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I'm looking forward to iPhoto as it's the only iLife App I use regularly.

I'm interested to see what the $A price will be.

P.S. Dear Mr Jobs,

when are you going to build a data centre in Australia, to spread the load?

Akamai should be taking care of that already?
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Originally Posted by MacRulez View Post

If any of your friends are Apple-authorized resellers you know that Apple's been pissing them off for years, even long before the Apple stores.

Ha ha so true mate...
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Good thing to bring this mac app store, the next logical step after offering music and videos on the itune-store and actually long overdue. Who wants actually to go out into a store to buy an app on dvd, to unpack it, put the dvd into the mac, install it, put in some registration-number, register it online... much better to download and install it within seconds/minutes and cheaper, too, as it seems.

It's not an innovation, others did it before like Valve's steam or the app-stores for Linux, but it's good to have it now for mac-apps, too. I hope that all mac-developers will jump onto this ship and reduce their prices in the process.

I bet there will be some developers who might not want Apple to make profits of their apps without having developed them just for offering the app-store-platform. In fact I think the margin Apple asks for that service is way too high, it should get down to 5-10%, but however it plays out, this will be a major new source of revenue for Apple... meaning the AAPL-stock-price will further go up.

Like I said the margin for Apple is too high, but developers should be on that app-store, it's like the saying: "Be there or be square"... but the big developers should use their power to make Apple accept a lower margin of 10% or under, that would be a service for all involved.
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I haven't seen it documented anywhere, but Boot Camp Assistant seems to have changed in 10.6.6. It now tells you not to use the Windows drivers on the OS X restore disc and insists on downloading new ones.

Edit: actually it's quite buggy. Who are these clowns working on OS X these days, have all the A-listers gone to iOS?

Edit 2: It also *only* supports Windows 7 now. Has the Lion Boot Camp Assistant been included in 10.6.6 by mistake?
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Edit: actually it's quite buggy. Who are these clowns working on OS X these days, have all the A-listers gone to iOS?

Edit 2: It also *only* supports Windows 7 now. Has the Lion Boot Camp Assistant been included in 10.6.6 by mistake?

Hmm, I have windows xp on the other partition, can I continue to use it with OSX 10.6.6 or does the new bootcamp render it useless and asks for Windows 7?

If so, I won't do the update.
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Then why isn't the App Store recognizing that I have the latest version installed? The only thing it recognizes apparently is the iLife apps.

According to Macworld, the fact that the App Store is recognizing your iLife apps is a mistake. They said this: "Some third-party apps appear as "installed" in the store right now, but that's a technical hiccup; they will not be updated by the Mac App Store unless you trash your existing non-store version and re-purchase from the store."
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It's snappier!
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Hmm, I have windows xp on the other partition, can I continue to use it with OSX 10.6.6 or does the new bootcamp render it useless and asks for Windows 7?

I doubt it will effect an existing install, but I can't be sure.

This just seems to be the latest in Apple's cost cutting for the Mac. First the in-house Java is cancelled, then the Xserve, and now Boot Camp only supports Windows 7.
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How about some consistency! This goof up is up there with the first release of Mac OS X that had the Apple Menu in the center, Safari tabs on top and the vertical close, minimize and zoom buttons in iTunes 10!

Attention to detail counts!

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Originally Posted by webpoet73 View Post

Aperture 3 is just 79.99? The box copy is 199.99. I wonder if this is a promotional price or the new permanent price...

This news has been making rounds in the feeds that I watch, and frankly, that's a very good price.

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Combo Update? Anybody has a link for me? Couldn't find anything in Apple Download Section.

Oh, and where is iWork '11? I thought this was their showcase app. Update needed. iWork is nice but very incomplete compared to MS Office 2011. If I don't get iWork '11 i'll go back to MS Office. The 2011 version is pretty good.

For the cost, it's really hard to beat. I have quibbles with iWork, but I have bigger issues with the other major software.

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ugh, why do I have to be at work

The Mac App store is nice, but not worth altering a day's plans to try it out a few hours earlier.

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I doubt there will be many complaints. Apple customers have long expressed their preference for curation with iOS.

There will always be complaints, from people that didn't express this preference.

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Aperture at $80? Now I'm debating between iPhoto and Aperture. Damn, the curse of abundant choice!

If you have an SLR, get Aperture instead of iPhoto. If you have no plans for an SLR, then iPhoto is probably the better bet.

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FinalCut is a mega-sized app. Can't imagine they would make it available for download...

I think the whole studio is on 7 DVDs. I recall a lot of that is media, the equivalent of clip art.

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Unfortunately the once fantastic OmniGroup insists on ripping everyone off for their stuff and a lot of other developers have followed suit. There is no way the average person is going to buy an $80.00 item, sight unseen, based on a two paragraph description and a couple of screen shots. No one but a fool would buy "Bejeweled" for 20 bucks, etc. etc. Let's hope the prices even out a bit lower than what we see now.

$20 for Bejeweled is silly. It's the same price as the retail copy that I've seen in stores. I hope they have a plausible reason, such as contractual obligations. The game is fun, but it isn't worth more than $5 IMO.

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I'd be fine with a TM restore.....but I'll be going back in history. I want to keep my current apps, my currents docs etc... I suppose I could move them to my raid array, but I wonder if that will impact my registrations/activations on them when I move back to the fresh OS....

I'd restore to a different drive, and use Migration Assistant to bring in your newest apps, files, etc. from your newest drive. I have done this before.

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I tried the App Store app, and really it's lame in its current state ! MacUpdate and VersionTracker are MUCH better, when you want to browse apps. I don't understand all the buzz about the App Store. The only advantages I see are some reduced prices and the ability to get an app more directly.

Please give it time. It's only been a day from public unveiling. I think the story will be different a month from now, and more so in the coming months.

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Then why isn't the App Store recognizing that I have the latest version installed? The only thing it recognizes apparently is the iLife apps.

Odd. It recognizes my iWork apps.

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This is a political statement not a statement of fact.

Just sayin.

Is it? I don't think it's a political statement at all. Most capitallist companies exist to make money and to provide a return to its investors.

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In other words .... We can't offer a discount PLUS pay Apple a 30% fee .... We'd rather give 45% to you ... than 30% to Apple. No way do we want the App store to suceed, so this is our way to keep you away from App store. ....

That's true, but I think it's probably also true that there isn't a mechanism to offer discounts. The Mac App store is a new system, and I think it will be added as time goes on. Apple usually starts out very simple then adds features and controls.

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Example: Do a search for "CAD". Under the old downloads format, you'd come up with over a dozen hits. Try it now. Zero hits. In a year from now, you will get a few. But none of the significant apps will ever show up. Because they install resources and use alternate licensing procedures than permitted.

Google & Bing are good ways to find apps. There are several other means

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I'm with you. Apple should EOL FCE (It's super deprecated anyway) and unbundle the Final Cut Studio on Mac App Store, sell the individual Apps for, say about £99.99 a pop (Average. FCP - or rather, Final Cut as it would presumably be renamed with the axing of FCE - might go for something similar to the old FCE price of £130 for example, £150 tops) and laugh all the way to the bank. AVID, Sony and Adobe won't be able to touch them at those prices.

But, and I can't stress this enough, not until they've got a 64-Bit Cocoa, GCD-enabled (And preferably hardware-accelerated) build of Final Cut. Mainly because I refuse to buy another Final Cut reference release until they've done that. I'm hoping they're putting it out with Lion, or shortly after.

FCP isn't for the consumer audience though, I don't see the point in pricing all pro software the same way as a consumer software. Set the entry bar too low, and I think the new buyers will arrive with unrealistic expectations and push Apple to dumb it down.

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Agreed. I don't care how cheap FCP gets. Until they catch up with Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 (and they never will, since Premiere Pro can encode and burn BD-R and Apple is against Blu-Ray) in features and performance, I won't use it!

And yes, I own Adobe Premiere Pro CS5, so I know what I'm talking about. That Mercury Engine is impressive.

FCP does offer basic Blu-Ray encoding, did you mean the full authoring?

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I doubt Adobe is "freaking". Their product is geared towards professionals, and Lightroom is the dominant software (along with Photoshop/Camera Raw) amongst professional photographers.

Do you have any figures on Aperture vs. Lightroom installed base?
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Originally Posted by JeffDM View Post

If you have an SLR, get Aperture instead of iPhoto. If you have no plans for an SLR, then iPhoto is probably the better bet.

Since some of the P&S cameras have "grown up" with SLR-type features like manual control and native raw file support (the S95 and G12 are very good, as are others), I'd amend that to say, "iPhoto is probably the better bet, and when you outgrow iPhoto then move up to Aperture".

As more of the EVIL cameras (Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens) such as the mirrorless Micro Four Thirds systems get into the mainstream, I think we'll see a greater need for Aperture over iPhoto. (In the interest of disclosure, I'm a huge Lightroom fan and have no plans to switch back to Aperture.)

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Do you have any figures on Aperture vs. Lightroom installed base?

I don't but, anecdotally, the people who have both a dSLR and a Mac that would be inclined to pay $199 for Aperture can talk themselves into paying $299 for Lightroom (and both have full function 30-day trial versions available). Whether those same people will make the jump from a $79 Aperture to a $299 Lightroom may be a different story.

I won't have time until this weekend to catch up on any of the Lightroom and digital photography blogs and forums I follow; it'll be interesting to see how that price difference shakes out over the next week or two. If nothing else, Adobe will have to do something about the fact that the full Aperture is $20 cheaper than the current Lightroom 3 upgrade...

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According to Macworld, the fact that the App Store is recognizing your iLife apps is a mistake. They said this: "Some third-party apps appear as "installed" in the store right now, but that's a technical hiccup; they will not be updated by the Mac App Store unless you trash your existing non-store version and re-purchase from the store."

What part of "third-party" don't you understand?
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Since some of the P&S cameras have "grown up" with SLR-type features like manual control and native raw file support (the S95 and G12 are very good, as are others), I'd amend that to say, "iPhoto is probably the better bet, and when you outgrow iPhoto then move up to Aperture".

As more of the EVIL cameras (Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens) such as the mirrorless Micro Four Thirds systems get into the mainstream, I think we'll see a greater need for Aperture over iPhoto. (In the interest of disclosure, I'm a huge Lightroom fan and have no plans to switch back to Aperture.)

You're right, I tend to think of u43/etc. as more a baby SLR than a "grown up" P&S because of the interchangable lenses. I don't think it's a slam on my part to call it "baby SLR" either, I own a couple u43 cameras as well as a couple SLRs, having much of the power in a smaller package is very useful.

I think I'd amend my recommendation to be if your camera records raw images and you're interesting in stepping up, then consider Aperture.

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I won't have time until this weekend to catch up on any of the Lightroom and digital photography blogs and forums I follow; it'll be interesting to see how that price difference shakes out over the next week or two. If nothing else, Adobe will have to do something about the fact that the full Aperture is $20 cheaper than the current Lightroom 3 upgrade...

I can see that. I think that might change the equation.
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I don't use any credit card. So I can't even download the free apps from the MAS. What a useless piece of crap !

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I don't use any credit card. So I can't even download the free apps from the MAS. What a useless piece of crap !

PayPal, debit card and there is another way around it if you create a new ID.
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PayPal, debit card and there is another way around it if you create a new ID.

Without a credit card ? How ?

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Without a credit card ? How ?

By... creating a new ID. Did you read his post?

Years ago you could make an account without a credit card, and they've apparently brought that back. I still have my original one, so you can make a new one and do it.
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I already tried creating a new ID. It asks for a credit card.

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Without a credit card ? How ?

Here are two walkthroughs.
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2534

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/12936...a-credit-card/
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Here are two walkthroughs.

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2534

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/12936...a-credit-card/

Geez it is incredibly badly done ! I followed all the steps, and I always get the same : it asks for a credit card, and there isn't any "no credit card" option !

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Geez it is unbelievable badly done ! I followed all the steps, and I always get the same : it asks for a credit card, and there isn't any "no credit card" option !

Maybe theyve changed it. Heres another avenue you can try
http://www.apple.com/support/itunes/contact.html
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