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post #41 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:13am
So much for concerns about no education discounts.
Now everyone gets education pricing!
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post #42 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:13am
I think that like many of the dev's have expressed it will have the effect of *dumbing down* the overall software pool with all the limitations and restrictions of what they will permit and won't. Nothing which requires an admin password to install? Look at you own software collection. How many installers have you run that required an admin password? None of them will be in that "store"

System utilities, major apps that install resources in the library ... none of that will be in the store.

The old downloads section was a pain in the as* to find anything in. Nonetheless, it was a valuable resource referring to how many apps? 20 thousand?

The new app store opens with a thousand. That says something right there. How many great apps will not be found by new users in particular who simply aren't aware of how or where to find them given the total loss of the downloads referrals?

Nineteen thousand possibilities give or take just vanished from the horizon for lots of people.

Is that progress? Me thinks not.
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post #43 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:15am
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Can't wait to see what Logic and FinalCut will go for.

FinalCut is a mega-sized app. Can't imagine they would make it available for download...
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post #44 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by webpoet73 View Post

It doesn't look like it recognizes the apps you already have (except iLife 11). So, no updating through the store. That's kind of a shame, too.

Well it is only day one, I'm sure that's a feature to come in future updates. They'd be foolish not to add that.
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post #45 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:29am
Retailers are going to hate Apple for this
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post #46 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:30am
Smallest system update ever.
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post #47 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

Queue the "walled garden" complaints in 3... 2... 1...

Let me in!
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post #48 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:30am
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Apple is so far ahead with the next-gen "computing" paradigm that I just feel sad for the competition now.

An App Store for Macs via a separate, dedicated app?

Brilliant.

Grabbed Stuffit Expander just for kicks. Then Angry Birds.

Easiest and most convenient thing to do. The Mac App Store should have happened long ago.


it did. you could do this type of thing with some linux distros for quite a while now. but, sadly, most of the apps are free....
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post #49 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:31am
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Originally Posted by Kavok View Post

I'm confused because the App Store says that iWork is the '09 version, but the release date says January 03, 2011.

Also the App store doesn't recognize that I already have iWork installed, while it recognizes other software on my iMac... Which lends the idea that it IS iWork '11 and not iWork '09.

Anyone know which way it REALLY is?


Because iWork '09 IS THE LATEST VERSION... the latest incremental UPDATE to it was January 03 '11, that's where that date comes from, but it's still the '09 app.
They have to add significant (in Apple's opinion) new features before they'll slap a new name on it. (Rumored to be coming soon.)

As of today, there is NO SUCH THING as iWork '11.

(Also note: Apple now just calls it "iWork" , with no year. The individual Apps are labeled with a year; like Pages '09. That would lead one to believe that they will be able to be purchased individually (like on the iPad) so you could buy Pages '11 (when released) but keep using Numbers '09... etc.)
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post #50 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:33am
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Originally Posted by Gary54 View Post

I think that like many of the dev's have expressed it will have the effect of *dumbing down* the overall software pool with all the limitations and restrictions of what they will permit and won't. Nothing which requires an admin password to install? Look at you own software collection. How many installers have you run that required an admin password? None of them will be in that "store"

System utilities, major apps that install resources in the library ... none of that will be in the store.

The old downloads section was a pain in the as* to find anything in. Nonetheless, it was a valuable resource referring to how many apps? 20 thousand?

The new app store opens with a thousand. That says something right there. How many great apps will not be found by new users in particular who simply aren't aware of how or where to find them given the total loss of the downloads referrals?

Nineteen thousand possibilities give or take just vanished from the horizon for lots of people.

Is that progress? Me thinks not.

It is obvious that you don't think at all. IMO.
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post #51 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by WelshDog View Post

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1348

I noticed that you gave the link for the combo update for Mac OS X Server. Here is the link to the retail version of the combo update: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1349
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post #52 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:41am
On the one hand I'm delighted with my timing - I finally sorted out my dramatically poor internet connection with something way better earlier this week, on the other hand, having done that it's going to end up costing me a fortune!

The Mac App Store is something that computing has been waiting for. I'm the ultimate impulse buyer. If I read a review on say macworld.com I want the software immediately. If I have to drive to the store, I'll have forgotten what I've gone for by the time I get there (actually I'll get distracted by buying something else, but we'll ignore that).

I expect there are going to be a lot of "walled garden" complaints, but the fact is for the vast majority of users (and I'm not talking about users who are techy people who read things like appleinsider, I'm talking about the general public) the ease of use of the Apple approach is more than enough to overcome the small downsides of having Apple set restrictions.
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post #53 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:41am
I bought Angry Bird and Solitaire (free), they won't run on my son's first gen iMac Intel (1.83 Ghz, 2 gig ram, os x 10.6.6), but they do run on my other son's MacMini and my MacBook.
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post #54 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:41am

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post #55 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

Apple is so far ahead with the next-gen "computing" paradigm that I just feel sad for the competition now.

An App Store for Macs via a separate, dedicated app?

Brilliant.

Grabbed Stuffit Expander just for kicks. Then Angry Birds.

Easiest and most convenient thing to do. The Mac App Store should have happened long ago.

What about the various Linux Software Repo Programs? (Ubuntu Software Center comes to mind)
What about Steam, or Stardock for games on Winblows?

The App Store concept I think is not far ahead, just an Applized re-do of things done many years before.
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post #56 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:52am
Very cool.... I bought iWork with my Mac Pro. I updated it to 10.6.6 and reconized that I have iWork installed. I updated my mac mini and it put iWork on it.... How sweet is that????

Apple just left the competition in the dust.....
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post #57 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:54am
Just downloaded my first app - Evernote!
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post #58 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:54am
Anyone know if there's an app that would allow me to download and read books from iTunes on my Macbook?
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post #59 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:56am
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Originally Posted by Johnny Mozzarella View Post

Adobe has to be freaking.
Hopefully developers will be able to sell more software to offset the lower prices. More reasonably priced software would also reduce software piracy.


It would make the choice between Aperture and Lightroom pretty easy for most thats for sure.

I guess they are trying to upsell the iPhoto folks, although I am not sure how much there is there for point and shoot users. I noticed the other day that my iPad can sync to my Aperture library...too bad I dont have an iPad with 200Gb. Lol thats just RAW though. I wonder how small the synced jpeg version of the library would be.
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post #60 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by Ronbo View Post

... Interestingly, it lists Page as "installed", but it doesn't list TextWrangler as installed. Granted that's a free app. But it would be nice for the system to recognize other vendor's apps as having been installed. Probably because the App Store can only recognize its own type of DRM? That would make sense. Recognizing the existence of an app that has "dubious providence" would open the door too widely to fake installations & piracy to trick the app store into saying "You have a new update."

I think you're right. I had the same experience. It makes sense that some of the apps will have to be downloaded from the store for the first time before the system recognises them.

The only thing I'm unhappy about is the prices.

The model for these kind of stores is high volume and low prices, anything else is just highway robbery. Apple has done the right thing and lowered prices dramatically on their high end products and a couple of other companies like Pixelmator have also.

Unfortunately the once fantastic OmniGroup insists on ripping everyone off for their stuff and a lot of other developers have followed suit. There is no way the average person is going to buy an $80.00 item, sight unseen, based on a two paragraph description and a couple of screen shots. No one but a fool would buy "Bejeweled" for 20 bucks, etc. etc. Let's hope the prices even out a bit lower than what we see now.
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post #61 of 252
1/6/11 at 7:58am
I already own a registered version Transmit v3.7 from Panic and I saw the new version 4 on the Apps Store. There is a 45% discount available for those upgrading from v3+ on Panic's web site.

Ever the curious one, I clicked buy version 4 from the Apps store just to see how it handled the discount for version 3 owners.

I clicked buy to get to the next screen ... I never saw any mention of upgrading. In the blink of an eye I now own version 4. I saw no mention of cost, discount whatever. I have no idea what I was charged. No e-mail receipt yet. I will be very interested to see if I was automatically granted the discount I would have received via Panic's own download site. Given it never asked for the serial I have for v3 I am dubious. If I am I will be very impressed.

Here's hoping!
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post #62 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:01am

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post #63 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:02am
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Originally Posted by Ronbo View Post

iWork 09... I'm unhappy about that. Perhaps the new version is being held back for OS X Lion, but I think they need to say something to assuage the inevitable frustrations.

Otherwise, I'm pretty happy.

Interestingly, it lists Page as "installed", but it doesn't list TextWrangler as installed. Granted that's a free app. But it would be nice for the system to recognize other vendor's apps as having been installed. Probably because the App Store can only recognize its own type of DRM? That would make sense. Recognizing the existence of an app that has "dubious providence" would open the door too widely to fake installations & piracy to trick the app store into saying "You have a new update."

I thought the same thing then realized that if Apple checked all your installed apps and reported back to the mother ship the masses would go insane. Think of all those with bootlegged apps installed.
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post #64 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by Gary54 View Post

The old downloads section was a pain in the as* to find anything in. Nonetheless, it was a valuable resource referring to how many apps? 20 thousand?

The new app store opens with a thousand. That says something right there. How many great apps will not be found by new users in particular who simply aren't aware of how or where to find them given the total loss of the downloads referrals?

Nineteen thousand possibilities give or take just vanished from the horizon for lots of people.

Is that progress? Me thinks not.

it took a decade to get 20,000 apps on apple.com/downloads.
The Mac app store will probably hit the 20,000 mark in less than a year.
That's progress!

If my grandmother can figure out how to purchase Apps...that's progress!
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post #65 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:03am
I had 10.6.6 BETA (GM VERSION) installed prior to today. Neither the combo update, or standalone will install. I keep get the dreaded TRIANGLE/Exclamation point on the HD. "can't install update"

Anyone??
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post #66 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:04am
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I think it's safe to say that more Linux users are familiar with other OSes than users of other OSes are familiar with Linux.

Who can blame Apple customers for not recognizing Ubuntu Software Center when they see the Apple version?

Yep, using Apple kind of similar to speaking English...
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post #67 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:04am
exact message is " MAC OS X Update combined can't be installed on this disk. This volume does not meet the requirements for this update"....
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post #68 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:05am
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I think it's safe to say that more Linux users are familiar with other OSes than users of other OSes are familiar with Linux.

Who can blame Apple customers for not recognizing Ubuntu Software Center when they see the Apple version?

The Apple version is prettier, that is for sure. That is true with most Apple software/hardware, and a main selling point amongst most consumers.
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1/6/11 at 8:05am
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If any of your friends are Apple-authorized resellers you know that Apple's been pissing them off for years, even long before the Apple stores.

It's difficult to always save anybody when development happens. That's what stalls many companies. Apple has decided to put the most recent developments at the hands of the end users top priority before protecting any middle man.

Tough for the middle man, but in the long run a winner for everybody else.
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post #70 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by jungleland26 View Post

I had 10.6.6 BETA (GM VERSION) installed prior to today. Neither the combo update, or standalone will install. I keep get the dreaded TRIANGLE/Exclamation point on the HD. "can't install update"

Anyone??

Three words ... 'your back up'. Surely you made a clone (see Carbon Copy Cloner) of the boot partition prior to installing a beta? Please tell me you did ....
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post #71 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:06am
Where's the iWeb update? ...oh, right.
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post #72 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by John.B View Post

Queue the "walled garden" complaints in 3... 2... 1...

If there are complaints of that nature, they would be terrificly wrong.

That would be like calling Android a walled garden because Amazon has a curated store.

iOS isn't a walled garden either (although the iOS application system is) because the internet (represented by the standard technologies its based on) is completely unfettered.
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post #73 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:10am
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It's difficult to always save anybody when development happens. That's what stalls many companies. Apple has decided to put the most recent developments at the hands of the end users top priority before protecting any middle man.

Tough for the middle man, but in the long run a winner for everybody else.

That has been happening for a long time. I was a major share holder and MD (CEO in US speak) of two 'Apple Centres' in UK and this started in the early 1990s when I sold out and jumped ship. I saw the writing on the wall. The boutique Apple retailers in smaller towns seem to have survived ( we still have one here where I live in FL) but we owned in major city centers and survival there must be gruesome these days if there are any independents even left there.
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post #74 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:11am
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Three words ... 'your back up'. Surely you made a clone (see Carbon Copy Cloner) of the boot partition prior to installing a beta? Please tell me you did ....


Of course!

Is there any way to just revert to the pre beta, and leave all other settings, apps, docs etc in the current?
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post #75 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by AppleZilla View Post

Where's the iWeb update? ...oh, right.

My current number one wish is a really, really awesome update to iWeb, maybe even iWeb Pro.
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post #76 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:12am
FEATURE REQUEST:

Automatic update downloads, but not when I'm on 3G.

Many of the most important software concepts were invented in the 70s and forgotten in the 80s.

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post #77 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by jungleland26 View Post

Of course!

Is there any way to just revert to the pre beta, and leave all other settings, apps, docs etc in the current?

Phew! I bet there isn't a way back, I've had many a similar experience and the time to fiddle around isn't worth it with a clone sitting there IMHO. Just clone back and start over.

Even a Time Machine restore maybe be slower than cloning. You could try TM on just the system folders (or even dragging from clone) but it maybe a real mess and you'd need to boot from an alt boot partition.

But hey, it's fun
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post #78 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:15am
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

My current number one wish is a really, really awesome update to iWeb, maybe even iWeb Pro.

Been waiting for iWeb Pro forever. At least a refreshed series of templates would be nice.

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GOA

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post #79 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by SpamSandwich View Post

Been waiting for iWeb Pro forever. At least a refreshed series of templates would be nice.

Do you, like me, use iWebSite to allow multiple sites?
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post #80 of 252
1/6/11 at 8:19am
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Originally Posted by joe in miami View Post

That's a steal.

In Sweden, Aperture 3 is 599 SEK in the new App Store while still in apple store web page it's 1999 SEK.

Some boxes to scrap...
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