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post #81 of 164
1/6/11 at 1:53pm
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But browsing the Mac App Store in its own application does seem strange, given that iOS App Store purchases can only be made on Mac OS X through iTunes, where users also manage and sync their iPhone and iPad.

Strange to who? The Mac App Store has nothing to do with iTunes.

iOS products have everything to do with iTunes.
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post #82 of 164
1/6/11 at 1:53pm
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post #83 of 164
1/6/11 at 1:57pm
So any answer to how this affects previously installed iWork and iLife? People that bought before today are SOL?
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post #84 of 164
1/6/11 at 1:58pm
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Careful there. The owners of this site make their living pimping for Adobe on their front page.

Oops! Sorry, Mac. Some of my best friends are prostitutes!
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post #85 of 164
1/6/11 at 1:58pm
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I don't think this is going to happen. Contrary to the wild claims by some that this is the first step in turning Mac OS X into a walled garden, I think this is more a move on Apple's part to make using Mac OS X as simple as possible, particularly for new users. Existing users are used to obtaining software from multiple sources, and integrating existing purchases from all software vendors into the store is simply too complicated, especially when software vendors have different upgrade policies, and quite probably incomplete customer lists. But, for users new to the platform, getting up and running with the software they need will now be extremely simple, making the choice to switch even easier than it was before.

Stop making sense! You'll scare away all the anti-apple trolls.
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post #86 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:00pm
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Of course: W3Schools

Interesting, assuming it's accurate. Linux growth is slowing down though. Their marketshare increase is coming from Windows.
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post #87 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:02pm
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Yes, you have to invest a whole $27 to get Snow Leopard.

yes, we would have to invest a whole $27 per station, get rid of our Imagerunner C5185 [that doesn't have RELIABLE 10.6 drivers], our DesignJet T1120ps [same driver issue], and upgrade our server.
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post #88 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by Pennywse View Post

Stop making sense! You'll scare away all the anti-apple trolls.

Funny...

I may be stating the obvious here but it's "one-stop" shopping! Remember in the early days of the internet website stores...how people used to say, customers "window shop" at the brick and morter stores at the mall and then go home and buy it from a website.

Apple has taken it one step further now you can "browse" with out going to, say, CompUSA, err Circuit City....I mean Walmart!

In fact you don't even have to use the "evil" Google anymore! Love it!
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post #89 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:05pm
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I initially installed Ubuntu 6.06 for 0 USD, and I've upgraded through every release up 'till now, without paying a cent. Apple makes plenty on hardware and the software sold through the App Store to let people at the very least upgrade their OS for free.

Why should they? They are a for profit company, just like Red Hat. They aren't allowed to charge for the OS there, but they charge for everything else.

It costs Apple hundreds of millions to develop the OS every two years or so. They should get paid. Apple doesn't even charge that much when you compare the price to Windows. So we are getting a discount considering that. In addition, unlike with Ubuntu, there is a place to go to for proper technical support.
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post #90 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:06pm
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Seems pretty good so far, and such an obvious step it's amazing Apple didn't do it years ago.

Obviously missing are all of the serious productivity apps, I assume because Autodesk, Adobe, and Microsoft would be rather less than happy to hand over 30% to Apple. Does make the graphics section rather odd though to see Photoshop, Maya, and Mudbox all missing.

It's also the first day.
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post #91 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:09pm
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post #92 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:09pm
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yes, we would have to invest a whole $27 per station, get rid of our Imagerunner C5185 [that doesn't have RELIABLE 10.6 drivers], our DesignJet T1120ps [same driver issue], and upgrade our server.

That's the fault of those manufacturers, not Apple. You should get on their asses. I've seen worse things happen.
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post #93 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:14pm
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post #94 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:16pm
So how much has this completely coincidental release of the MAS affected tech news about CES?
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post #95 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:19pm
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So any answer to how this affects previously installed iWork and iLife? People that bought before today are SOL?

It depends. I have a personal copy of iLife that was recognized as installed. I have an institutional license for iWork and it didn't recognize it. However, another site posted that the Mac App Store can detect a license when you try to buy something you already have. I didn't want to try it with iWork, but supposedly if you purchased an app and then try to purchase it from the Mac App Store, it warns you that you already have it. So you would have to delete the app and then buy it, but that would be stupid.

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post #96 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:21pm
I've just bought Aperture for $80. That alone was worth it for me. Thanks Apple!

I've been using Steam since it came out. I've been using Direct2Drive for at least a few years, and have bought from Digital River since 2004. I think Apple's store is off to a very good start, and the buy once, install anywhere model is terrific. I realize not everyone has a giant pipe and downloading software over and over again is a problem, but for those of us fortunate enough to have good bandwidth, the digital download is a godsend.

My biggest gripe is no demos available on the store. You need to look elsewhere for them. . .
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post #97 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:33pm
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yes, we would have to invest a whole $27 per station, get rid of our Imagerunner C5185 [that doesn't have RELIABLE 10.6 drivers], our DesignJet T1120ps [same driver issue], and upgrade our server.

Sounds like terrible planning.
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post #98 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:34pm
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It depends. I have a personal copy of iLife that was recognized as installed. I have an institutional license for iWork and it didn't recognize it.

Lol, you mean pirated serial?
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post #99 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:48pm
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Lol, you mean pirated serial?

I started to put "you say potato, I say potato" but realized that wouldn't make much sense in writing

But my machine is a university computer and I don't really know where the licenses come from nor do I want to know, the whole plausible deniability thing and all.
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post #100 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:49pm
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So how much has this completely coincidental release of the MAS affected tech news about CES?

I read the report in this morning's WSJ about CES and they seem to spend more time reporting on a rather lack luster showing from MS and Google. Mostly, about products that may or may not come...failed products like the iSmell...it emits a smell when you go on certain websites-failure!

Also, the 90" Mittsubishi flat screen tv looked pretty cool...but it's 3D and that has not proven to be the big seller they thought it would be. I did like the thinness and size though.

Apple needs to be at the CES and have Stevo give the keynote...but Apple should drop the word "computer" from the corporate name first!

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post #101 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:50pm
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Depends where you look. Seems every time I turn around I find another charter school in the States or a government overseas standardizing on Linux.

Just look at the numbers there. While Linux was a very small percentage ahead of the Mac at the beginning of the tracking (0.1%), they're 50% ahead of them now. That's a MUCH slower growth rate for Linux. I would imagine that Apple will be much further ahead in years to come.

But what this doesn't show is current buying, just totals. Apple has a much bigger percentage of recent purchasing.

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Agreed, and why I feel Ubuntu and Mac are perfect compliments: if you can afford a Mac, get one and enjoy it. And if not, Ubuntu is priced at $0.00 and runs on nearly any computer made in the last several years.

With Mac nibbling at the top and Ubuntu at the bottom, together they can eat away the majority of Microsoft's market share.

I've tried new versions of Linux on a Mac almost every year since the first version for the PPC came out. I've always found it to be much more annoying in every way. I still do. The biggest problem for non tech people is service. Where does the typical consumer, or school district go for prompt, accurate service? It's tough. For many years I was heavily involved in the NYC school system as a technical advisor. Even here, with all the resources, we have had problems keeping up with service. Even for Macs, there aren't enough techs. For Windows, forget it!

If we moved to Linux, it would be a disaster! Computer teachers are expected to be the first line of service personnel. They do the primary work on the school's servers and computers. Windows baffles them, and OS X isn't perfect either. Linux would be much worse.
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post #102 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:55pm
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I read the report in this morning's WSJ about CES and they seem to spend more time reporting on a rather lack luster showing from MS and Google. Mostly, about products that may or may not come...failed products like the iSmell...it emits a smell when you go on certain websites-failure!

Also, the 90" Mittsubishi flat screen tv looked pretty cool...but it's 3D and that has not proven to be the big seller they thought it would be. I did like the thinness and size though.

Apple needs to be at the CES and have Stevo give the keynote...but Apple should drop the word "computer" from the corporate name first!

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It's funny you should mention the keynote. He was asked about that a couple of years before Apple stopped going to the January Macworld. He said that if they stopped scheduling CES the same week as Macworld, he'd be happy to do the keynote. Every year since then around this time, I think of that and wonder. But it's possible that he doesn't want to do it because Apple may be expected to introduce a new product during it, and isn't that supposed to be why they stopped going to Macworld?
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post #103 of 164
1/6/11 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

This is a strawman argument.

Just because there are no previews, it doesn't follow at all that your "only choice" is to buy all of them. Another choice might be going to the website of each product and doing some research, and there is nothing stopping the producers of the apps from having a demo copy on their websites anyway.

Personally, if the apps were a bit cheaper, I wouldn't care about a preview before buying it and if there are any developers listening, I think this is true of most people. if you buy the wrong app for five bucks it's not really a big deal, but a lot of the apps are closer to a hundred. If the developers kept everything under 20 bucks or so I think they'd sell the same amount (dollar-wise) on a higher volume.

Considering i acknowledged what you said, but pointed out it doesn't work becuase then I can't return to buy from the App store without deleting the app first. Or if i buy through the trial will the app store let me update?

At this point other than free apps I won't ever use the app store. Or apps I know I want already.
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post #104 of 164
1/6/11 at 3:03pm
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Well if that's your solution then that just defeats the whole purpose of browsing and buying for apps in one central location.

Exactly my point. The app store becomes useless if you want to use trialware to see what you want to buy. I'm not buying $200 of apps to settle for a single $40 app.

If I want to try, I am still doing exactly what I've been doing for years. The app store is simply useless in this case. If fails.
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post #105 of 164
1/6/11 at 3:13pm
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Just look at the numbers there. While Linux was a very small percentage ahead of the Mac at the beginning of the tracking (0.1%), they're 50% ahead of them now. That's a MUCH slower growth rate for Linux. I would imagine that Apple will be much further ahead in years to come.

But what this doesn't show is current buying, just totals. Apple has a much bigger percentage of recent purchasing.



I've tried new versions of Linux on a Mac almost every year since the first version for the PPC came out. I've always found it to be much more annoying in every way. I still do. The biggest problem for non tech people is service. Where does the typical consumer, or school district go for prompt, accurate service? It's tough. For many years I was heavily involved in the NYC school system as a technical advisor. Even here, with all the resources, we have had problems keeping up with service. Even for Macs, there aren't enough techs. For Windows, forget it!

If we moved to Linux, it would be a disaster! Computer teachers are expected to be the first line of service personnel. They do the primary work on the school's servers and computers. Windows baffles them, and OS X isn't perfect either. Linux would be much worse.

That's where people like Red Hat, Novell (now whatever it is), and Ubuntu come in, and give actual business support + people who are trained on it. Security, services, etc. are not and never will be "intuitive" or easy to setup, regardless of platform.

Sure, it costs money. Just like anything else in life.
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post #106 of 164
1/6/11 at 3:15pm
The fortunate part is that the update from Leopard to Snow Leopard is just $25, unlike most major updates.
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post #107 of 164
1/6/11 at 3:15pm
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It's funny you should mention the keynote. He was asked about that a couple of years before Apple stopped going to the January Macworld. He said that if they stopped scheduling CES the same week as Macworld, he'd be happy to do the keynote. Every year since then around this time, I think of that and wonder. But it's possible that he doesn't want to do it because Apple may be expected to introduce a new product during it, and isn't that supposed to be why they stopped going to Macworld?

Yep, that's exactly right about why they stopped doing MacWorld....But imagine Stevo giving the speech for the first time at CES....it would be like a scene from the sci-fi movie "Inception." Something "unworldly" about it.

Stevo and Apple at CES! What's that phrase? "The worm has turned!"

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post #108 of 164
1/6/11 at 3:18pm
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Exactly my point. The app store becomes useless if you want to use trialware to see what you want to buy. I'm not buying $200 of apps to settle for a single $40 app.

If I want to try, I am still doing exactly what I've been doing for years. The app store is simply useless in this case. If fails.

The MAS is different than the iOS App store. It is meant to be A place to buy apps not THE place to buy apps. I think people are trying to fault it for being something that it never said it would be. Stevo said it would be the BEST place to learn about apps. Maybe you don't agree that it is best, but it is not trying to be the only. This is like saying that Dell is a fail because you can't touch the machine before you buy it.
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post #109 of 164
1/6/11 at 3:21pm
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post #110 of 164
1/6/11 at 3:22pm
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Does make the graphics section rather odd though to see Photoshop, Maya, and Mudbox all missing.

Well, sounds like the Mac App Store isn't missing much.

Just a thought, but with this new App Store, Apple has an opportunity to regulate the quality of the applications they sell. Adobe might have a hard time satisfying any quality restrictions that might be in place.
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post #111 of 164
1/6/11 at 3:25pm
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post #112 of 164
1/6/11 at 3:30pm
Is that Apple Remote Desktop I see for $79?

Sorry if this has been asked before but is that for unlimited managed Macs or 10?

The info doesn't specify (at least as far as I can tell)
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post #113 of 164
1/6/11 at 3:34pm
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A few concerns:

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Anyone willing to put their business in the hands of Apple will get what they deserve. The problem with a walled garden is that while it keeps things out - it also keeps you in... Eventually becoming a prison.

I see this as yet another red flag that Apple is abandoning professionals in favor of the fart app masses. How long before they force all applications to go through the store? You know it's coming.

You reserve the right to use the search engine of your choice to find software you want anywhere it's hosted on the web.

You reserve the right to read tech journals and websites in order to find sources for the software you want, including but not limited to physical media from brick and mortar stores.

Now you have another option, it's not the only one.

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post #114 of 164
1/6/11 at 3:41pm
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Won't work with System 7 either. I am PISSED!

You're pissed, my system 7 floppy disks corrupted I had to roll back to 6, what rubbish is this those floppy disks are only fifteen years old.

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post #115 of 164
1/6/11 at 3:45pm
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Like the unnerving episode in the '90s when Microsoft gave $150 million to Apple, bringing us this ironic image:


Yep, Mac. I remember it was very surreal at the time and even more so as time went on and people made the connection with big brother, 1984 and all that.

My daughter is in Med School and one of her instructors was struggling with his windows laptop while doing a PwrPnt presentation...and in a moment of complete frustration he said if he ever meets Bill Gates on the street he will kick him in the shins...and then quickly thank him for his work on Malaria...but he still would get kicked.

My daughter thought it was hilarious, She is all Apple!

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post #116 of 164
1/6/11 at 4:08pm
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post #117 of 164
1/6/11 at 4:09pm
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Anyone else notice the icon for app store bears a strange resemblance to iTunes? Looks like Apple is going a new direction with their app icons, curious. Don't know that I like it but don't know that I hate it either.

I'm quite confident that I hate it. I don't know what's come over them, but the new iTunes and App Store icons look like ugly Microsoft creations. It took me less than an hour to replace the iTunes icon after I first updated to iTunes X (and it's the first thing I do after every update). For the App Store, I just yanked it out of my dock so that I only have to look at it when it's open. It's still easily accessible from the Apple menu.
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1/6/11 at 4:20pm
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Like the unnerving episode in the '90s when Microsoft gave $150 million to Apple, bringing us this ironic image:]

How altruistic of them¡ :sigh:
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post #119 of 164
1/6/11 at 4:36pm
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The fact I can't try before I buy makes it a deal killer. I want to try out several personal finance apps to decide which one I like, but my only choice is to buy all of them?

I could go to the developer site and download the trials. Then I have to delete them and purchase through the app store since it seems the app store recognizes "trials" as installed already. I don't konw if the app store would allow me to "update" software I purchased directly from the developer as that situation hasn't happened for me yet.

This might come in handy for getting rid of trials etc that you may come across as you venture forth onto the big, scary Internet..

http://www.freemacsoft.net/AppCleaner/

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1/6/11 at 4:40pm
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This might come in handy for getting rid of trials etc that you may come across as you venture forth onto the big, scary Internet..

http://www.freemacsoft.net/AppCleaner/

I love App Cleaner.
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